Why I Use Primarily 43rds Sensors for Astrophotography and Work
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2023
- I have had very few people ask me why I choose 43rds, which is sort of a surprise. I think in the history of doing this channel I have had two people up to this point ask about it. But I guess that is mostly because astrophotographers are smart and know there is a lot to be said that is good about the 43rds ecosystem.
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Nice video. I hope all is progressing well with your treatments. Keep up the good work, on all fronts.
Loved this! So grounded and real. Hope treatment is having optimum results and minimal side effects! You look great!
Love you works Ben and hope you continue to get well each day forward. Soon, I am sure it will be well behind you. Stay strong!
I appreciate that! And I feel quite confident that it will be in the past soon.
I have the SAME chair in my kitchen! I could recognize the pattern anywhere. Great video!
You look great my man. Wish you a speedy recovery.
Very informative video. Thanks a ton. I came across your channel a few days ago. I'm hooked on it now. So much to learn :)
Take care bro
Welcome aboard! and I am feeling better and stronger.
Love the video. I've stuck with m43 and Olympus/OM Systems since I started in 2014. Every now and then, I think about another camera, mainly for a native 3x2 sensor. But agreed, you don't need all the MP and with today's software, the upsizing works quite well. Hope your treatments have you in the right direction. Seeing you continue putting out videos and thinking about the future is fantastic. Positive attitude!
Thanks. I am at least feeling better. Can lift all my scopes again comfortably and without huge effort.
Thanks Ben. Another very informative and interesting video. Stay well.
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice work Ben and some very good points, not to mention made me laugh. Clear skies :)
Glad you enjoyed it
I am just starting out in astrophotography and ur videos are helping me out alot. Many thanks!!
Great to hear!
Clear skies and good health our friend, forever and a day
Is good to see you in good health 👍
Loved this! You're one practical dude, and I tip my hat to you for sticking with one ecosystem for so long. I'll own up to being one of those idiots that tries different brands, BUT there must be a reason why most of my lenses are M4/3 E.g. if I want a massive lens I'll just get a telescope. M43 is compact, appealing, Great IBIS, they make a point of making up for size with computational photography and cool features, and like you say, less worry when it comes to calibration frames. If you've not seen her channel already, I reckon you'd enjoy Micro Four Nerds.
Oh yes I watch her. Just saw her video on the OM5 this morning.
That was a great insight, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very simple and very pertinent points here.
Thanks.
Hey, looking good man.
Completely agree with you on the learning curve. For many years a used Nikon but started using Olympus about six years ago. I went all in and part exed the last of my Nikon gear for the 150-400 when it came out. So you would think I would have a handle on mft by now, yet I'm still learning how to get the best out of it.
On file size/image size. I'm old enough to remember scanning slides for submission for publication. Vouge and National Geographic insisted on a massive 4Mb file, simply huge, if you were trying for a double page spread. (Not that either illustrious magazine ever published me, but I did try.)
Those were good old days. I feel like the photography industry was less toxic then.
Love this. ❤️ Liam looked excited. Maybe he can teach his great aunt. 😊
Continued prayers 🙏 ❤️enjoy watching these videos...
Thank you 🤗 Aunt Beth!
@@TheNarrowbandChannel 😊❤️❤️
Always thought smaller was better! Glad you made this video!
Yes it is for simplicity sake especially.
Smaller is better. To a point. (I remember a magazine ad by Hasselblad, IIRC, which said, "Bigger is better. To a point.")
The Aristotelian Golden Mean :) @@Biosynchro
EM5Mkiii is the basis for my OM system.
I have a Pentax 50mpxl SLR, but will only shoot the sky using Pentax lenses . . . and it fits on my little Sky-Watcher.
Thanks!
Thanks again for your inspiring videos. You made me buy an Olympus OM-1 with an OM/Zuiko ED 18-40mm F2.8 Pro II 😂 I probably need another good lens for some DSO sessions.
One i recommend for versatility is the 40-150 2.8. Or the 75mm 1.8
@@TheNarrowbandChannel I followed your advice and bought the 40-150 2.8. The Starry Sky AF functionality is awesome! I did a test comparing this camera/lens on a Star Adventurer 2i vs AIS585 - Evoguide 62ED on Star Adventurer Pro with M31 as target. Different FOV of course, but the result from the OM-1/40-150 was stunning! And I am a total noob/beginner with this hobby.
I was getting more shots on my APS-C Z50 than I was my full frame with really good results.
100% agree I love my 533MC for just that reason.
That is the perfect beginner camera.
Lumix 35mm cameras has hi-res mode too, I wonder how it compares (S5 II particularly)
It was not available when I did one of these project though. But the biggest issue would be the refraction. The S system looks like a good one though.
Yeah. Maybe pedantic, gotta laugh ;) ;) ;) - 35mm is movie film stock. Compact 135 film is 35mm cut up the middle and the neg turned sideways. Full frame is however big your glass plate negative slide was, 12 by 14, whatever, huge contact prints.
Keep strong.
Someone that gets it!
Hey! I’ve been using my dslr and 70-200 lens on a star adventurer 2i for just over a year now and I’m looking to upgrade…
However with it being like a 4th hobby I don’t want to spend a lot of money… should I continue using my good dslr and lens and get a better mount? Or just start guiding on the star adventurer and maybe get a telescope and astro camera? I have a guide scope, just need to get a guide camera. With that being said, guiding on only one axis still won’t be a huge upgrade i don’t think?
If I stick with my dslr and lens, the mount I’d prob upgrade to the newer star adventurer GTI.
Any thoughts? Suggestions?
Guiding is the biggest upgrade you could ever do. It will let you take much longer exposures. Go with guiding first. :)
@@TheNarrowbandChannel ya? Ok sweet. Buying a guide cam is like the cheapest of those options too lol I like that
Thank you!
Would you like to see an all new OM-1x with a built in integrated grip
Which is less prone to overheating like the E-M1X.
Yes absolutely. I have never had my Em1X overheat though.
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Saludos
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Like 140 🫡 speaking about flats , i have question for you if i have multiple auto focus every one hour at the end wich focus should i use for my flats 29300 , 29150 , 29070 and 28930 wich one m8 😂
So with increments like that you can choose the middle value and do flats with that.
So…. I want to use my OMD EM5 Mkii with my Questar. Any way to control it/ capture images using either Sharpcap or NINA?
Both Sharpcap and Nina don't support it that I know of. Stellarmate does though.
@@TheNarrowbandChannel Thanks. I am using my OMD EM5 Mkii with my Questar for lucky imaging of the moon and Jupiter. It’s not the ASIAir but all I need to do is move the memory card to my computer.
Thank you so much ! This is the most relevant video I've seen on this subject! I am a professional photographer and sometimes I have been removed from certain projects because my equipment was not professional ! Shame ! I use the Panasonic G9 with Olympus lenses... I am convinced that if the sensor of my phone can take astro photos (Pixel 7) then the 4/3 of my Pana can do it too! All the pseudo problems mentioned by “people who know” prove how much they don’t know. In French, we have an expression for this: it’s fuck the flies 😃
In the film days 8 x 10 was full frame and 4x5 what is quarter plate.
I remember that now.
Are you excited about the new G9II from Panasonic being announced on 12 September.
I’m hoping for it to have a 24 megapixel stacked sensor with PDAF.
We have to see what it is. The GH6 was such a letdown.
Hopefully it will be a slightly lower megapixel count than GH6,and have a stacked sensor with PDAF.
It wouldn’t matter to me if it only had a 22.5 megapixel sensor as long as it’s not 20 megapixel sensor preferably it would be 24 megapixel stacked sensor, I guess we’ll have to wait and see what the G9II will have in improvements. Let’s keep our fingers crossed they’ll be significant improvements.
Have you heard of any image sensor improvements since the OM-1 came out in February 15, 2022
@@anthony-qm3pn just wondering why you'd like 22.5mp-24mp?
@@anthony-qm3pn Starves 2 tech is here. That would make a huge jump in Dynamic Range.
After my OM-1 focus failed miserably shooting an event about this time last year. I made the switch to Sony. For nothing else than the focus system. I was happy with my image quality out of my Olympus gear. But OM systems lack of effort into doing anything to track humans ( or do focus tracking well in general outside the plane, dog, animal, car, birds etc) or do a firmware to add AI for humans. I jumped to Sony. I had a LOT of Olympus gear too. I had a difficult time making the transition and when a former visionary offered me a 2 Olympus camera deal with 8 lenses I went back. But then I started to miss some things about my Sony lol Now? I use both systems. Being with Olympus as long as I have and you probably know this from being a long time shooter. They made stupid corporate decisions over the years and always seemed to fall into this good enough mindset. I see OM systems doing the same thing. When you look at other systems flagship bodies. Hell even their middle ground. Canon r6 II, Sony a7 IV ( I can't say Nikon because their focus sucks). But they make a pretty well rounded body that could be used for just about any amateur or hobbyist genre. I can see why OM is trying to target the nature people, and push the size weight advantage etc. But the fact they refuse to do anything to correct something like C-AF + tracking that has been absolutely horrible forever? Along with not doing anything to focus on creating AI for humans? Everyone else has caught up with the planes and trains and surpassed them in C-AF +TRK. Why why why do they continue to ignore such a huge hole in their system? There are so many uses outdoors where the ruggedness would be ideal IF it would actually focus and track people as good as the big 2. To me it just makes no sense and I cannot help but feel OM systems is falling into the same stupid mindset Olympus had for years. Sorry so long. Glad to see you with new content. Hope you are doing well. Many thoughts and prayers for you sir.
Thanks. I do enjoy reading these. I can hear you too on the people tracking thing. Every try just using cats and dogs tracking on humans? The eyeball anatomy is similar at least. For imaging my kids I mostly stick to CAF with small spot sizes.
@@TheNarrowbandChannel I often shoot people wearing helmets. Sometimes you cannot see the eyes. Sony just locks onto whatever you focus on and it will track it and it tracks it pretty damn well. Canon and I think even Nikon, will jump to the torso if it loses connection with the eye. The fact OM systems does not find this as a usable tool in their camera bodies is frustrating. I did leave out though I appreciate the explanation as to the sharpness I feel I see in my Olympus photo's compared to others I know who shoot FF. Can't say I fully understand it but enough that it makes sense.
Funny because i shoot motocross and F2 races with om-1. I tested r5, z9 and a1. Om-1 just knocked them out. I've been shooting motorcycle races in low light using the 45mm 1.2 and the sigma 56 1.4 and couldn't believe how well the om-1 performed in those conditions. With firmware 1.0 and 1.2 using 300mm f4 and 75mm 1.8 I had very poor results shooting airshow. With firmware 1.5 i had an amazing hitrate. For photography i use object detection and caf, never tracking caf. Detection of birds, motorcycles, cars is great. I can't understand why we don't have correct human detection and eye and face detection is worse compared to animal detection.
@@kamilrakowski23 Well I can only think of a couple things. For one. No disrespect meant in any way. Based on my own personal experiences I never found motocross to be that challenging. Often you are shooting side to side not straight at you. I shot motocross very successfully with my E-5. It's not often motocross is moving at top speed after the hole shot. In regards to the R5 and Z9 and A1. I can only guess being an OM-1 shooter it's not easy to just switch to test other camera's unless you spend some time with them. My Sony had to be set a certain way to get the most out of it. I did not figure it out, I watched videos where people gave settings advice. Last year I was asked to shoot a local jousting team. But after I could not get consistent photo's in my practice tests, I backed out and told them I could not make it. It could have been a major door opener and my OM-1 just would not catch and hold focus on them coming toward me. Would not grab the horse or the rider. There is a 2 second moment you are looking to grab and I missed even with pro capture. I'm sure it seems silly. But when 12-15,000 people are going to be viewing your work and I did not get the shots I wanted? I was not happy. I tried multiple times, reached out for advice. I'd get one or two shots. After that they went to crap. Believe me, the last thing I wanted to do was give up. I had 2 bodies, the 300 f4, 12-40 pro 45 1.2 pro , 40-150 2.8 pro both the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters and a couple 1.8 lenses. Grips, chargers, batteries. I had a nice set. The only thing I can honestly question. Is if maybe the focus on my OM-1 was not working properly. When I decided to invest after my trade. I did not want to take that chance again. So I went with what I knew worked. I'm glad you are having more success with your OM-1 than I had with mine.
You are right that Sony has the best AF in the business. Funnily enough I moved from Sony to Olympus 3 years ago. Sony cameras have the best b&w JPEGs of any system.
Nice video! i own a OM-D EM10 mark iii, i'm happy with it but i'm struggling to find a remote shutter for astrophotography, seems to be the only camera that can't have it 🙄
Can you use your phone with the Image Share app? I'm sure it's possible with that model.
@@Biosynchro you can but for long exposures over 60s you need to keep a finger on a button 🤣
@@boh782 Ah. Of course.
All you need is a remote intervalometer that has a 2.5mm jack. There are plenty that have them. They might not list Olympus but if they use a 2.5mm jack it will work.
@@TheNarrowbandChannel the mark iii doesn't have a 2.5mm jack
I started with canon aps-c. Upgraded to canon ff. Switched to canon ff ml. Tried super zoom bridge camera. Then I finally found mft. Never going back.! Unless oms will start to focus more on video than photos 😬 hope that will never happen 🤞
How are you?
Thanks for sharing your journey. I am starting to do better. CT scan this week will let me do an update video on my cancer soon.
@@TheNarrowbandChannelI'm fighting clouds these days, because I want to get the comet on photos, before it goes away 😬 sadly I got something in my 100-400mm lens (water drop or glass crack), hopes for the first 🤞 currently laying in my closet with rice/gel thing bag. So I just have 12mm and 60mm these days. I got neowise back then 💪 crappy weather for Leonard 🤦♂️ so hope I can get this! Don't think I'll be alive next time they pass us 😅
Would you like to see a all new OM-1 mark II with 26 megapixels of resolution and one stop low light improvement and a one stop improvement in dynamic range over the current OM-1.
For astro I would be happy with the same number of pixels or even less but yes for terrestrial 26 would be nice.
I feel where the sensor is quarter the size of a full frame sensor the most they can increase over the current sensor is an extra six megapixels of resolution, without making it perform worse than the current 20 megapixel sensor that is found in the OM-1 with the days current technology, after all the OM-1 came out two years ago, and I’m hoping that technology has improved somewhat more over the last two or three years, since the current sensor came out, I do not think it’s unreasonable to expect Sony to develop a 26 megapixel stacked image sensor in 2023 with a one-stop, low light improvement and one stop dynamic range improvement over the current sensor that’s in the OM-1 right now.
@@anthony-qm3pn If they put Starivus 2 tech into it then they could easily do that.
I think there are some photographers out there I want to see and all new OM-2 with 34 megapixels of resolution and be able to shoot an 8K.
I think they should bring it to professional camera body’s such as OM-1 mark II low light beast for micro 4/3 and
OM-2 as a high-resolution camera for micro 4/3 users.
Do you think OM systems should consider making such cameras in the future for their users.
I would love to see both but its up to Sony on if it will happen. It sucks that they have a monopoly on image sensors. It has made the entire market go stagnant.
I think it is inevitable that as technology goes the sensors improve. But who knows how long it will take or what it will cost. OM has a target price point, so if they can make a camera that can do this for $3000 USD, I am sure they will. Maybe not with the OM-2, but eventually. They do a lot of very incremental changes.
I totally agree with you about Sony having the monopoly it’s very unfortunate,
Toshiba just got required by JIP
Which owns OM systems, hopefully in the future we will have Toshiba image sensors in OM system cameras
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I had an OM-1 and it was great. Anyway, 4/3 cameras have better Toneh. 😉
Totally agree
nice to know someone who's been using the same gear a long time ... at least you can get everything out of the system you're using...
I am now in the state of trying to adapt to a bigger scope ... learn about it's modus operandi and hoping to cope with it's quirks as matched to my existing gear ... I know it's not the ideal setup... but am learning so much more than just having another 3-4k thrown at it ... OTOH ... I'd love the simplicity of just having that sum and splashing it on the system and at least know that it's supposed to work 😅
Big glass is wonderful but it's a lot more work. Last night I was putting up the newtonian and after 30min of fiddling with it I had to put it away and let the other two smaller rigs run.
@@TheNarrowbandChannel on the last night I had it out the freaking mount was playing dumb and reverted the Dec direction... after about 45 minutes I gave up ... switch from com 3 to com 5 in ascom drivers etc ... reboot ... nothing dude ... still SNAFU ... forget about platesolving and all ... so ... bagged it and went to bed ... it happens...
100% have been always thinking why are people advocating large sensors as the way to go when I was thinking its more about pixel density and noise floor. I use so-called planetary cameras for most of my astrophotography and after watching your video of achromat telescopes with narrowband filters - that’s my preferred setup.
That simplistic thinking infected cinema for a while. DPs were saying that VistaVision was going to be the new standard. NOPE. Never happened. S35 is a terrific format, especially for digital.
I'd love to see OMS develop a 4/3 cinema camera.
ya they ignore cinema I think to their detriment.
Yes. Proficiency and Familiarity are essential, indivisible.
Ah Contax. I had such high hopes for their entry into digital.
I had coveted the Contax RTS III and Contax Zeiss lenses, but I was already using Nikon F4s bodies which I really really loved.
I, too, hate the term "Full Frame". It's meaningless. I use the full frame of any format I shoot. Just say "35mm format". Even that is a little misleading because 35mm is the width of the film stock - it has nothing to do with the measurements of the image. But it's a better term than "Full Frame"! Ugh.
Be well, Ben!
I had such high hopes for Contax. Shame they did not make the digital revolution.
The DOF thing is funny isnt it. Rare to hear people praise it, yet people often have issues getting subjects fully in focus.
Ya we have had AF for what 30 years now and cameras still do not do it as well as they should.
Hi Ben. Kevin here.
True, the 4/3-sensor fits all image circles.
But, that’s not good enough for me.
I have to use flats using a full-frame sensor (industry standard nomenclature).
If I want less, I crop. Cropping does require you have plenty of pixels. I do.
I don’t like to throw data away before I begin.
7:35 man smartphones use AI to enhance and sharpen a picture. Its a lie not what phone optic and sensor can do. But its a very nice lie and we love it. 🤷♂️
Oh, I think the Nikon data is bogus. The photo is a bad photo. I had a D750 once. I know I can make a sharp image with the D750 for goodness sake. The comparison is faulty. Love ya buddy.
Thanks. It's mainly the fault of the lens in this scenario. The camera could do better but it was not used correctly and with the aperture set that small it ruined the images.
Opens with "my astrophotography reason", but pulls out a "12 ft" print of a horse on a flag, what.the.....
"Handicapped" sounds right. "Stupid" for sure !
More verbal word salad. Another shamless payed brand promo.
obtw,
My astrophotography, does not include horses or, "brushstrokes".
, ;)
He answered the question within the first 30 secs, then provides physical examples and personal stories.
Nice work Ben!