How SpaceX Mastered Starship’s Welding

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  • Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024

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  • @primalspace
    @primalspace  2 года назад +270

    Do you think the FAA will approve Boca Chica launches? - Shoutout to KiwiCo for making this vid possible, get your first crate here! www.kiwico.com/primalspace30

    • @gregcavanaugh6259
      @gregcavanaugh6259 2 года назад +9

      I do. But you have to admit, what did they expect when they wanted to build and launch rockets on a nature preserve?????

    • @replica1052
      @replica1052 2 года назад +2

      everyone involved with faa wants to see this rocket fly
      (to surrect planets is how to live in a universe)

    • @replica1052
      @replica1052 2 года назад +1

      @@gamerfortynine every living being wants to see this rocket fly
      (to surrect planets is how to live in a universe)

    • @replica1052
      @replica1052 2 года назад +1

      @@gamerfortynine they plan to make starbase boca chica a mars space port

    • @endofunk2174
      @endofunk2174 2 года назад +4

      @@gregcavanaugh6259 do you assume they never receive prior approval for this, before investing so heavily in Boca Chica?

  • @guillermocastorena8014
    @guillermocastorena8014 Год назад +905

    I own a welding academy here in South Texas and I am proud to say I have over 30 former students working in Space X as welders.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  Год назад +141

      Very cool and definitely something to proud of!

    • @karthikd03
      @karthikd03 Год назад +30

      I legit read that as "wedding academy" 😂

    • @anon2414
      @anon2414 Год назад

      Space x will never reach mars in our lifetime. I don't believe a word musk says. At least they are getting paid 👍

    • @fearlessanime
      @fearlessanime Год назад +4

      Give me job sir

    • @ahmedmohanned9994
      @ahmedmohanned9994 Год назад

      They defined flux core entirely "inside-out" ! 🤔

  • @bastifantasti82
    @bastifantasti82 2 года назад +2254

    As a mechanical engineer, I would have summed it up differently. It took them several years to change the production process from Joe's garage to the industrial standard.

    • @johpfit760
      @johpfit760 2 года назад +272

      Yeah, they "mastered" something that is done all over the world. It's strange how people prace them for the most normal things

    • @w花b
      @w花b 2 года назад +169

      @@johpfit760 the video didn't say it's unique or anything else... They mastered welding just like you would master mathematics like millions of people around the world. They just explained how.

    • @stanpines9011
      @stanpines9011 2 года назад +60

      @@johpfit760 i don't think literal rocket science is a "most normal thing"

    • @johpfit760
      @johpfit760 2 года назад +126

      @@stanpines9011 Large stainless steel tanks with extremely accurate and smooth weldings are necessary in a lot of industries. Ranging from Food production to Chemical industries.

    • @Scaliad
      @Scaliad 2 года назад +7

      Had as much to do with training a workforce as anything, I think. Even the hand welding had the effect of training welders to understand what was required from robotic automation.

  • @ENCHANTMEN_
    @ENCHANTMEN_ 2 года назад +3183

    Starship has been pretty unique as far as rocket development goes. It's almost like agile software development: "Move Fast and Break Things"

    • @737smartin
      @737smartin 2 года назад +179

      The approach pairs especially well with the ultimate goal of mass producing many hundred rockets. Start by trying the least expensive production method possible to see IF you can get that to work. If not, upgrade the process a little and try again. ...

    • @gardensoundrecords3598
      @gardensoundrecords3598 2 года назад +90

      Break *cheap* things

    • @StillAliveAndKicking_
      @StillAliveAndKicking_ 2 года назад +59

      I believe it is the same as agile software development, but applied to rockets of course. Create prototypes to test concepts, changing the design as and when needed, and converging to the final product.

    • @xencore5206
      @xencore5206 2 года назад +5

      Evolution

    • @eternalproductions
      @eternalproductions 2 года назад +21

      " Pretty unique " literally no other rocket on the entire planet throughout all of human history can do what starship does

  • @VictorLarsen-fy9ls
    @VictorLarsen-fy9ls 2 года назад +705

    The evolution of water tower construction. It was interesting to learn about the materials and methods of welding, because it was surprising how the welds began to differ over time.

  • @pugglez4798
    @pugglez4798 2 года назад +1158

    At 3:45, I think you may be mistaken about flux-cored arc welding, the metal is on the outside and the flux is in the middle (core). In the video, you describe it as the metal being surrounded by the flux, which is true for stick or SMAW, but not this. The reason the flux is in the middle is because the drive wheels that push the wire through the gun have knurling to grip the wire, and if the flux was on the outside it would rip up the coating while feeding it. Otherwise, great video I really enjoyed learning about the different iterations of welding SpaceX has been going through.

    • @Kalroy
      @Kalroy 2 года назад +56

      Also, Flux core gives a nasty weld. Better to go with some form of tig. Maybe wire feed tig. Even mig would be a better choice.

    • @johnharris7353
      @johnharris7353 2 года назад +1

      True, well said.

    • @joekerr168
      @joekerr168 2 года назад +21

      Flux core is mig welding.

    • @Kalroy
      @Kalroy 2 года назад +47

      @@joekerr168 Yes, and no. Flux core is a form of gas metal arc welding, but NO ONE confuses flux core with standard MIG welding. Just like they don't confuse either with dual-shield despite the similarities.

    • @ChrisGraham00
      @ChrisGraham00 2 года назад +28

      @@joekerr168 the AWS defines several types of welding processes such as FCAW: self shielded no gas, FCAW-G: dual shield uses gas, GMAW: spray transfer solid wire w low CO2 mix like 95/5, GMAW-S: solid wire short circuit w gas [traditionally called MIG or MAG depending on the gas mix] mig stands for metal inert gas so technically self shielded flux core is NOT mig cause there's no inert shielding gas.

  • @kirkdemadaler7041
    @kirkdemadaler7041 2 года назад +350

    Planishing the welds is meant to stretch out the "heat affected zone" or HAZ as it's known in welding circles. When you weld the metal around the weld shrinks as it cools this causes the warping. By stretching out the metal with the planishing hammer the original shape is retained. This is a normal operation in autobody work when welding sheet metal repair panels together.

    • @torgeb6238
      @torgeb6238 2 года назад +5

      Right, that makes perfect sense now that you said it. Obviously warping is especially strong with thin sheets of metal. But additionally (just as it was well explained in the video), from a hardness standpoint, the hammering has the added benefit of increasing hardness at the seams by flattening the metal grains and thus increasing the local yield strength at the seams. 304L is also well malleable (which further speaks for the usage of this alloy in regards of your point). And additionally, 304L is very well suitable for low temperature applications whilst still having great heat resistance properties, so its an overall excellent choice regarding the the big temperature differences Starship experiences in the course of its journey to Mars etc and all the other rough conditions a rocket goes through in its lifespan!

    • @ap123c
      @ap123c 2 года назад +7

      Planishing also increases HAZ toughness due to cold working as well as forming discontinuities in the crystallographic microstructure. Peening does a similar thing, too.

    • @eyeballengineering7007
      @eyeballengineering7007 2 года назад

      Exactly! The HAZ zone would be the greatest danger to failure for the structure.

    • @SidneyCritic
      @SidneyCritic 2 года назад

      You beat me to it - lol -. Weld/heat distortion is even worse with high expansion metals, eg alum, SS, etc.

    • @eyeballengineering7007
      @eyeballengineering7007 2 года назад

      @lukaepeluca impressive. This is why it's not open to the stock market. So people like you can't invest. Fickel minds kill ipo's. Nothing like marketing a reusable rocket. Such a scam. 1/10th as expensive payloads. Definitely not a high tech rocket company. . . . . . . JFC

  • @profile.
    @profile. 2 года назад +248

    The prototype LOX tank at 2:23 is for the original ITS vehicle, with a diameter measuring 12 meters, not 9.

    • @memethief4113
      @memethief4113 2 года назад +13

      the ITS is still by far my favorite, it's a shame but understandable it was replaced

    • @Lapt0pMarc
      @Lapt0pMarc 2 года назад +6

      @@memethief4113 It was cool but i like how they applied a real use of the belly flop on practice and the "sleekier" design of current Starship compared to ITS

    • @spinningsquare1325
      @spinningsquare1325 7 месяцев назад

      I did not know the old giant starship kins of existed physically

  • @anonymous-rb2sr
    @anonymous-rb2sr 2 года назад +101

    They went from looking like the average aluminium can at the bottom of the ocean to the average grain silo I'm so proud 😍!

  • @ttyler2987
    @ttyler2987 2 года назад +76

    You got Flux Core welding backwards, the Flux is in the middle (core) of the wire is what provides shielding and turns into the slag ontop of the weld.

  • @fordsrgay4881
    @fordsrgay4881 2 года назад +154

    Since stainless is one of the more heat sensitive alloys, especially 304, laser welding keeps the HAZ minimal, which is pretty key for tensile strength I'd imagine.

    • @ryandavis4689
      @ryandavis4689 2 года назад +1

      I did not know this, why the hell do we use stainless steel anyway then? Wouldn't it be better to use something more heat resistant?

    • @iROMine
      @iROMine 2 года назад +13

      @@ryandavis4689 Because heat shielding exists? With that logic we probably shouldn't be putting humans in rockets either since we're not very heat resistant.

    • @daneyarick4033
      @daneyarick4033 2 года назад +1

      They use Various cooling methods to maintain the optimal temperature for the steel, such as active cooling aka super cold fuel pumped through the ship. There are no metals on earth that can withstand reentry from space.

    • @CyberJellos
      @CyberJellos 2 года назад

      @@ryandavis4689 Extreme heat isn't the only thing to consider. The material also has to maintain its strength in extreme cold due to cryogenic fuel. Strength to weight ratio is also very important. Spacex must have decided somehow that the alloy they are using had the best balance between all these properties.

    • @daily.bible.to.recite
      @daily.bible.to.recite 2 года назад

      304 also prone to corrosion.the amount of welding is huge,i am doubtful about the metal stress.I will be hesitant to fly in it..needs alot of test flight s. 316 costly but quality is high

  • @BBru062
    @BBru062 2 года назад +57

    I used to work for the company that makes the welders both Tesla and SpaceX use. They typically would send a sample of the material and the weld engineers would do the work of finding the correct parameters, speeds, and feed rates for the welders.

    • @Highplainsdrifter44
      @Highplainsdrifter44 2 года назад +16

      It’s it funny how the welders never get the recognition they deserve? Most welding engineers cannot weld to a high degree as specialized welders do. Being a welder you have to know the material you’re working with and keeping in mind the correct angles and heat parameters as well. It’s a art

    • @Deontjie
      @Deontjie Год назад +2

      @@Highplainsdrifter44 I thought it is a science.

    • @DenverDad2013
      @DenverDad2013 Год назад +1

      @@Deontjie it's a science. My professor, Dr. Jemian, a real-life genius that would memorize everybody's name in the classroom within two classes, in every class, helped NASA develop the technology/methods necessary to weld the Space Shuttle liquid hydrogen tank. He taught us about it in our Science of Materials II class at Auburn University. Robots do critical welding where possible, nowadays, and non-destructive testing is done to ensure the integrity.

    • @BeastyBundy
      @BeastyBundy 9 месяцев назад

      @@Highplainsdrifter44neither do the scientists or other actual engineers on the project?

    • @FLMKane
      @FLMKane 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@Highplainsdrifter44 depends on the particular workplace. I'm the Navy, welding engineers tend to be trained welders as well.

  • @titter3648
    @titter3648 2 года назад +98

    They could just commission a tank manufacturer for the food or farma industry in the first place. They make smooth stainless steel tanks with "invisible" welds on a rutine basis. In fact they have to make flat smooth welds because that is a demand for being able to clean the tanks properly with a CIP system.

    • @eyeballengineering7007
      @eyeballengineering7007 2 года назад +46

      It sounds like that's basically what they ended up with. Switching to stainless tig welders means they needed talented welders. The food and nuclear energy sector has plenty of them.

    • @colors6692
      @colors6692 2 года назад

      That's Musk for you! Pretending to solve problems that have been solved years ago with no fanfare. He truly is todays P.T. Barnum that dupes so many suckers!

    • @eyeballengineering7007
      @eyeballengineering7007 2 года назад

      @@colors6692 the fact that you think somebody was trying to swindle your thoughts by switching to TIG welding from flux core shows how inept your train of thought is. Flux core welders are extremely cheap. A dime a dozen. Nuclear stainless tig welders on the other hand start out at six figures. Oh, he solved a problem all right. One of money. Only the mentally deficient think it was some farce.

    • @Dr.TJ_Eckleburg
      @Dr.TJ_Eckleburg Год назад

      Super interesting!

    • @nuclearsmoothie
      @nuclearsmoothie 8 месяцев назад

      Spacex does it all by itself to avoid the stacking up of profit margins. That's why their programs are cheaper than that of any other space organisation.

  • @kieren7763
    @kieren7763 2 года назад +45

    As a automotive welder and car builder I can say some of this information is hilarious on elons part with how they started building these someone should have warned him against flux core welding these. its pretty obvious in the welding world you don't weld stainless that way unless it's a quick repair to get by let alone a rocket going into space .also the planishing of the weld does two things stretches the weld after it shrunk which eliminated the distortion and it also relaxes the grain of the metal its actually harder before they planish it but only the weld itself which will cause the surrounding metal to crack and split from the weld. planishing relaxes the weld and and helps it become the same as the surrounding metal so it will flex and bend with it.

    • @ddavidebor
      @ddavidebor 2 года назад +10

      They where aware. Sometimes it’s better to build a crappy mock-up than to wait for the good stuff to arrive. It’s an opportunity for the team to align, and good for morale.

    • @eduardosampoia5480
      @eduardosampoia5480 2 года назад +5

      @@ddavidebor They are aware after having initially made bad mistakes. It would have been better to start off on the right leg with the proper information and the good stuff right off the bat. It's called knowing what you're doing and not wasting valuable resources.

    • @dyslexicstoner2408
      @dyslexicstoner2408 2 года назад +4

      If I remember correctly, elon tweeted that he was aware of this problem before production. If something is very obvious to anyone, and a space company does it anyways, there's probably a reason lol

    • @kieren7763
      @kieren7763 2 года назад

      @@dyslexicstoner2408 gotta keep investors happy i suppose even if its just for a minute 🤣

    • @josetjaw8161
      @josetjaw8161 2 года назад

      yeah I was thinking the same thing. I think what happens is they didn't know a thing about designing or fabricating stuff, so they hired some guy which happened to be not fit for the job to take care of it. Then the guy thought any weld is same. Seriously, any decent undergrad from mechanical engineering would do better job. But I guess elon and others noticed how bad it ended up, but kept going with it since he needs something to show to investors. And then they agree to target first successful one not at first several attempts. In long run it ended up interests more money

  • @Frenchiezy
    @Frenchiezy 2 года назад +120

    I was always curious about this but never asked the question myself 😅
    Great work and very well explained!

  • @JohnDoe-pb5ks
    @JohnDoe-pb5ks 2 года назад +5

    Wait, Kiwi Co actually sounds phenomenal. I got my first breadboard when I was 14, and that was daunting as hell. A softer introduction to that would have been amazing.

  • @videorowtv5198
    @videorowtv5198 2 года назад +157

    Well carbon fiber itself can withstand temperatures up to 2000°C but the bonding agent (normally resin) can only withstand 200°C, so with different bonding agent used it could withstand those temperatures but development, manufacturing and repair would be much more expensive.
    Nevertheless a great video!

    • @davidb6576
      @davidb6576 2 года назад +30

      Carbon fiber has a practical temperature limit in air (oxygen environment) of around 800 - 1000 C, in a vacuum CF can withstand much higher temperatures.

    • @videorowtv5198
      @videorowtv5198 2 года назад +7

      @@davidb6576 Thanks for clarifying

    • @SubjectE57
      @SubjectE57 2 года назад +5

      Regardless, you can't just take away half of what carbon fiber is. The properties of the resin are just as importaint as the carban to make it a strong and light material. I'm sure the original design was just another case of an animator trying to make things look cool and futuristic.

    • @duncandmcgrath6290
      @duncandmcgrath6290 2 года назад +1

      Graphite fiber gas has negative coefficient of thermal expansion, a high temp resin matrix (withstanding 3000 degrees) has been available for decades ....see brake rotors of a FA- 18.

    • @Bob-jn8gt
      @Bob-jn8gt 2 года назад

      @@duncandmcgrath6290 Look up Fiber Materials Inc. in Maine. (Now owned by Spirit Aerosystems). They’ve been making carbon-carbon and 3d carbon matrix composites for rockets since the 70s!

  • @Gyro-721
    @Gyro-721 9 месяцев назад +14

    My spoon is made of the same material as a SpaceX rocket.

  • @Warlord-xi2tp
    @Warlord-xi2tp 2 года назад +16

    never knew grain silos has so much engineering put into them

  • @DashFlashTheLife
    @DashFlashTheLife 2 года назад +10

    First rocket looks like grus rocket in despicable me LMAOOO

  • @harmankardon478
    @harmankardon478 2 года назад +30

    Flux core is actually a very effective way to weld outdoors., unlike gas mig which under windy conditions the gas shield can be compromised...

    • @KamotzII
      @KamotzII 2 года назад +2

      This very much depends on what type of FCAW filler wire is used. Many require shielding gas and are extremely intolerant of wind.

    • @eyeballengineering7007
      @eyeballengineering7007 2 года назад +3

      Fcaw stainless absolutely sucks in the wind. Oxidization and porosity run rampant with just a little breeze. Dual shield would have been far better. But TIG welding with an inert gas on the inside of the rocket as well would be the way to go.

    • @harmankardon478
      @harmankardon478 2 года назад

      @@KamotzII I'm referring to self shielded.

    • @iansmith8944
      @iansmith8944 2 года назад +1

      @@eyeballengineering7007 I think it’s very likely they did use dual shield stainless. I can’t imagine anyone would have though self shield would be applicable. And while inefficient, dual shield stainless can be a really nice process.

  • @erikcourtney1834
    @erikcourtney1834 2 года назад +10

    The bad look was due to improper fitting and bad techniques to controlling heat input. It should have been done with pulse mig if done by hand. Ultimately robotic pulse tig or laser is the best method having the heat/arc more concentrated with a continuous weld. A welder can only go so far before having to reposition or change something on the machine when done by hand. Planishing the hammer does work harden the steel slightly but it doesn’t get hard like martensitic stainless steel. The process also smoothed the welds and stretched the steel out due to any warping from welding.

  • @AndrewFromMilan
    @AndrewFromMilan 8 месяцев назад

    I'm following the Starship program since the very beginning. ITF3 brought tears of joy into my eyes

  • @sanctuspiano
    @sanctuspiano 2 года назад +6

    The clip of Steve Carrell at 3:16 is classic. I haven’t laughed that hard in a while, thank you!

    • @kittyn5222
      @kittyn5222 Год назад

      The merging of two people with pain

  • @nemo1716
    @nemo1716 Год назад +5

    7:37 was the most cinematic, sci-fi-esque landing of a rocket I had ever seen.

    • @steren700
      @steren700 Год назад +2

      To the point that when I first saw it, I though it was a render

    • @nemo1716
      @nemo1716 Год назад +1

      @@steren700 So did I

  • @elefanny1106
    @elefanny1106 2 года назад +8

    One critique: spend more time explaining welding as you would be speaking to the most uninformed of us.
    Fantastic video. Becoming rarer and rarer in the industry following SoaceX.

  • @tesone6783
    @tesone6783 2 года назад +1

    As an international welding engineer it is great to see people figuring out welding even more on a daily basis. There is so much untouched theory people "only" have to make applicable but this also comes with great investments.

    • @George-Francis
      @George-Francis 2 года назад

      what makes a welding engineer international

    • @tesone6783
      @tesone6783 2 года назад +3

      @@George-Francis Welding works the same around the world but I have to know a lot of standards for different countries and coordinate, plan and control all processes based on international standards.

  • @olternaut
    @olternaut 2 года назад +10

    Thank you for the professional production. I'm totally worn out by the amateurish clickbait high school productions that has flooded RUclips when it comes to Tesla and SpaceX. This production here is refreshing.

  • @erideimos1207
    @erideimos1207 2 года назад +2

    LOL A trip down memory lane! Outstanding! Boy, those were the days. Non-Flying exploding water towers and building in the dirt when ULA was using clean rooms for storage.
    Great vid, thanks!

  • @lanceanthony198
    @lanceanthony198 2 года назад +60

    Starship went from a wrinkled soda can to the most visually impressive rocket currently standing. SpaceX is changing the game

  • @randompalmtopgaming7541
    @randompalmtopgaming7541 2 года назад +2

    That picture from 0:26 just boggles the mind.
    It looks like some bad garage project, and we're talking about an experienced and most successful space launch company even at that time !!

  • @johnnorgress7285
    @johnnorgress7285 2 года назад +4

    I have welded for the majority of my life. I have welded stainless steel many times I'm very interested in your laser technology and welding stainless steel I hope to hear and see more of it. I am fascinated that SpaceX is using stainless steel on their starship and other rockets I also have questionsAbout the protection of radiation using stainless steel. People have SpaceX keep up the great work.

    • @jaysleezy5464
      @jaysleezy5464 2 года назад

      nice man i weld stainless for a living. mostly 304 and 409. gonna be doing it in 45 minutes

    • @Epic_Eggroll
      @Epic_Eggroll 10 месяцев назад

      The largest part of the ship does not need radiation shielding, only the crew compartment needs it and some sensitive electronics might also. Steel doesn't really degrade that fast when exposed to cosmic radiation, so therefore it's a good material to use. The radiation in space is definitely higher but absolutely not chernobyl reactor type radiation. There's also different types of radiation such as alpha, beta and gamma radiation. Alpha and beta radiation are blocked by steel, but gamma can pass through but doesn't have that big of an effect, at least i think. Hopefully i answered your question.

  • @math_isart
    @math_isart 7 месяцев назад

    I love how insistent this video is on the perfect shininess of the rocket

  • @dr4d1s
    @dr4d1s 2 года назад +22

    Great video, it was really informative. I was expecting you to touch on SpaceX's custom steel alloy, kinda disappointed that you didn't. Do you have any plans on covering it in a future video?

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  2 года назад +14

      Thanks! I just didn't find enough info on their custom alloy. I'm also curious to hear about it!

    • @dr4d1s
      @dr4d1s 2 года назад +9

      @@primalspace I kinda figured that was why. SpaceX is doing the opposite of what they normally do and are keeping that info close to their chest. Makes sense though, my ex father in law was the head metallurgist for the American arm of the Swedish company Sandvik up until he retired last year. He said that developing a new alloy is a typically a huge undertaking and involves mountains of tests, retests and process tweaking. Not only in the metal ratios mix, but the actual process used to make the alloy (like a cake recipe. Ie. Mix this before that, but only when the temp gets to x degrees, etc) and all the testing that certifies the material will do what it supposed too.

    • @chrisbraid2907
      @chrisbraid2907 2 года назад +3

      The 304L is a standard low carbon commercial Austenitic Stainless Steel, less corrosion resistant than type 316 but also much more versatile … 301 wasn’t a type we’d use in the trade in NZ. 308 was a good heat resistant Stainless found in Commercial Oven systems . I’m curious as to what Stainless steel will end up in the production Cybertruck. Personally I’d use 304 and electro polish the body when fully welded like we did for Marine Stainless Fittings … great protection and very bright but also a good surface to wrap if you wanted colour …

    • @TamagoHead
      @TamagoHead 2 года назад +1

      Tesla is using a non-standard alloy for their mega castings. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are developing a non standard stainless steel.

    • @dr4d1s
      @dr4d1s 2 года назад +1

      @@TamagoHead yeah we know they have developed their own custom stainless steel alloy for Starship and elon's already confirmed it. There just isn't a whole lot of information out there about its properties and characteristics.

  • @mkstudionp
    @mkstudionp Год назад

    "Absolutely mind-blowing! SpaceX's mastery of Starship's welding is a testament to their relentless pursuit of excellence. It's awe-inspiring to witness the precision and innovation that goes into building the future of space exploration. Kudos to the incredible team at SpaceX! 👏🚀"

  • @nateatgoodmayhemracing4597
    @nateatgoodmayhemracing4597 2 года назад +3

    Howdy! I'm a welding engineer, and I wanted to let you know that you did a great job both research the topic and providing a high level overview of the welding processes involved. Great job!

    • @ap123c
      @ap123c 2 года назад +1

      Same here, OSU grad?

    • @nateatgoodmayhemracing4597
      @nateatgoodmayhemracing4597 2 года назад +1

      @@ap123c Excellent, there aren't enough of us. I went to LETU.

    • @ap123c
      @ap123c 2 года назад

      @@nateatgoodmayhemracing4597 Texas! Nice!

  • @gianni.santi.
    @gianni.santi. 2 года назад +1

    That office clip was gold 👌

  • @linasvelavicius330
    @linasvelavicius330 2 года назад +24

    I've been thinking about the Starship welding improvements for sometime, thanks for the excellent presentation.
    Fun thought; what if NASA and Space Force financed a collaboration with SpaceX and Rocketlab to develop and build a Superheavy first stage with Raptor2 engines and made out of carbon fiber. Disregarding the higher costs; would there be a substantial performance gain?

    • @vistaero
      @vistaero 2 года назад

      Why Rocketlab? They can build a carbon fiber rocket that wide?

    • @linasvelavicius330
      @linasvelavicius330 2 года назад +6

      @@vistaero
      Given the resources I think Rocketlab could develop a rocket that wide. Yes SpaceX could develop a carbon fiber superheavy on their own but I'd rather see a collaboration with Rocketlab and keep SpaceX focused on Mars.
      There is a need for private sector collaboration in the development of economical space. Unfortunately NASA is politically entrapped in the high cost pioneering era of space. Artemis is the wrong next step for many reasons, the next logical step for space is the development of economical space infrastructure (fully and rapidly reusable heavy lift rockets, standardize orbital refueling, remote and crewed stay-in-orbit transportation systems with full orbital access, a stay in orbit satellite service station, standardize modular satellite architecture designed for in space servicing, etc.). A new US government Space agency is needed (something similar to the Army Corps of Engineers) to lead the private sector in the competitive/collaborative development of a fully integrated self-sustaining space infrastructure. A great reference of the great potential of an integrated space infrastructure is the global economic impact of the standardize intermodal shipping container

    • @George-Francis
      @George-Francis 2 года назад +2

      carbon fiber is plastic that breaks down at 200 degrees. rocket engines are fire. thats why.

    • @dennisyoung4631
      @dennisyoung4631 2 года назад +2

      @@George-Francis and, carbon fiber structures tend to have brittle failure, rather than ductile failure. When they go, they go to *pieces.*
      I’m surprised they haven’t used spot-welding (a lot) more.

    • @linasvelavicius330
      @linasvelavicius330 2 года назад +1

      @@dennisyoung4631 Rocketlab is leading the development of carbon fiber rocketry. Their next larger fully reusable first stage is a carbon composite structure. Interesting company to follow to see if heat and brittleness is an issue as they developed the Neutron Rocket.

  • @digistruct0r245
    @digistruct0r245 2 года назад +2

    I can't imagine how much self-control did it require to not say "stainless steel shines" at 2:31

  • @thedrizzlefactory8600
    @thedrizzlefactory8600 2 года назад +4

    If you took industrial polishers to that bad boy it would go a very long way with smoothing out the already great looking weld lines.

    • @SuperSMT
      @SuperSMT 2 года назад +1

      They'll probably never make one as finished as the chicago bean , but i'm fairly certain they'll put in a little extra effort to make them mostly seamless once they reach a regular flight rate

    • @phiksit
      @phiksit 2 года назад

      You mean a bunch of texicans with grinders? 😁 Come polish my rocket for $7 an hour.

  • @arekkasu1432
    @arekkasu1432 Год назад

    Can we all acknowledge how the starship was able to Maintain its structure from all the force before it detonated props to the welders. My cousin works there as one & I have family, in Brownsville Tx it will become the next Houston without a doubt!

  • @oancemr
    @oancemr 2 года назад +3

    awesome video, its so cool to learn about the engineering going on behind the scenes and see how manufacturing evolves over time and all the problem solving that takes place to reach the final design

  • @shreyas4142
    @shreyas4142 2 года назад

    Looking beautiful is not important but having good quality and toughness is what makes it reach Mars

  • @nicholasqa
    @nicholasqa 2 года назад +6

    Amazing explanation and video! Top quality!!

  • @peaches3840
    @peaches3840 2 года назад +1

    WOW congrats on this amazing innovative company!!! learned how to .. weld..

  • @theratinaCage
    @theratinaCage Год назад +4

    They got better welders? The end

  • @zakkeith1508
    @zakkeith1508 2 года назад +1

    For flux core welding the wire is tubular and the flux is on the inside. Flux core welding can be done with shielding and without, if you're doing welding outside you're likely using self shielded flux core wire. On thin sheet metal there's hardly any concern for whether you're going to have lack of penetration. Planishing is also only going to compress the welds in a vertical orientation, meaning that the graphic is inaccurate because the metal is going to expand horizontally and the grains will also compress horizontally.

  • @amosbackstrom5366
    @amosbackstrom5366 2 года назад +9

    Wow I can't believe they started out welding stainless with flux core, I know these products do exist but I've never heard of anyone doing that for a serious project..
    I kinda assumed they were friction welded like they should be.

    • @jackmclane1826
      @jackmclane1826 2 года назад +1

      Flux core is extremely common in US construction. Much more so than anywhere else.

    • @amosbackstrom5366
      @amosbackstrom5366 2 года назад +2

      @@jackmclane1826 Not for stainless it isn't. Like I said, stainless flux core is available but is typically used only for quick repairs in the field on non critical parts. Stick welding is significantly better than FC and then comes mig and tig.

    • @jackmclane1826
      @jackmclane1826 2 года назад

      @@amosbackstrom5366 Okay, OK I didn't know that. I have never used flux core for anything. It is much less common in Europe. I wouldn't say it's generally bad, but less common.
      I think the use here may be the result of that "quick and dirty" - sometimes called "agile" - development approach. Let's get started quickly and fix the problems on the go.

    • @phiksit
      @phiksit 2 года назад

      You can get decent looking welds with stainless flux core, but you really need to use a gas shielded process, which obviously can't be done outside because of wind blows away the shielding gas. The other problem is all the shrinkage / warpage you get when welding, especially with stainless.

    • @amosbackstrom5366
      @amosbackstrom5366 2 года назад

      @@jackmclane1826 I agree it's not generally bad, it certainly has its place and you can totally get good welds out of it. You can even get good welds with stainless, no problem for water towers. But the stress from holding a pressure (be it water weight in a tower or the pressure in a rocket fuselage) is a tiny fraction of the stress contained in a GOOD weld, we could be 20,000 psi+ of tension pulling your seam apart. This stress will always happen, it's because of the metal contacts when it solidifies. Submerged flux, bubbles or any other impurities allow cracks to start and they can propagate quickly if they experience cyclical temperature changes. A good rocket body is practically defined by it's ability to survive extreme changes in temperature.
      Friction "stir" welding is really good, it doesn't actually melt the metal, it's more like forging two pieces by stirring their edges together. Since no melting occurs there is very little stress.

  • @CopenhagenSuborbitals
    @CopenhagenSuborbitals 2 года назад +1

    Nice overview! Glad you found some of our Spica rocket propellant tank weld footage useful too. 🚀

  • @jrund1355
    @jrund1355 2 года назад +10

    Imagine being a silo manufacturing company and Elon Musk comes knocking asking you to build a spaceship for him.

    • @mikesmith7447
      @mikesmith7447 2 года назад +5

      That's exactly what happened! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @sonnylambert4893
      @sonnylambert4893 2 года назад +2

      😂😂😂

  • @AngelArm1110
    @AngelArm1110 2 года назад +2

    Hey I'm a laser welder!! That's amazing!!! I had no idea Starship uses it too. I wonder what wavelength they use. Mine is infrared

  • @npalmi88
    @npalmi88 2 года назад +9

    The fact that Elon didn’t know to go with 304L and TIG from the jump ….says a lot

    • @rorychivers8769
      @rorychivers8769 2 года назад +2

      They made a water tower fly and then land itself. I really don't think the focus was on getting the welding right at that point. Their philosophy has been "bonus points if it doesn't explode" from day one.

    • @Joseph-C
      @Joseph-C 2 года назад +1

      Right, because prototypes are ALWAYS meant to be made from the same material that the final product is shipped with. Genius!

    • @rocketkinger2506
      @rocketkinger2506 2 года назад

      They didn’t expect notch sensitivity at cryo

    • @iansmith8944
      @iansmith8944 2 года назад

      There is a process used when engineering a new concept. Fail often, fail cheap, fail fast. If success isnt build on failure then how can you know how you got there?

    • @brettharter143
      @brettharter143 2 года назад

      Its about the process

  • @jakebarton5216
    @jakebarton5216 2 года назад +1

    It takes a lot of teamwork to have success with rockets.

  • @ParadigmUnkn0wn
    @ParadigmUnkn0wn 2 года назад +10

    Their mistake was hiring water tower welders instead of pipeline welders. Stick a TIG torch in a pipeliner's hands and tell him what to stick together and he'll get it done to X-Ray, Magnetic Particle Inspection, Ultrasound, or any other NDT standards. And stainless is pretty common in their world, too.

    • @iansmith8944
      @iansmith8944 2 года назад +1

      Yeah he’ll get it done to API standards which are just about the most forgiving pipe codes. Water storage is done to ansi awwa100-11 and although I have not read it, I would assume that it is much more strict than any pipeline code. Basically I doubt it was the quality of the individual welder in question and more an issue of process. To me, I would not use a human at all and would opt for a mechanical or automated process.

    • @ozzy8654
      @ozzy8654 2 года назад +1

      @@iansmith8944 well said, not only that, pipe hands are good but they move like Union workers. Most don’t cut it at SpaceX.

  • @sureshnishtala2887
    @sureshnishtala2887 2 года назад +1

    amazing and well explained.....Space X is a gen when it comes to Engineering ...love space X ..
    thank you for the video....

    • @johpfit760
      @johpfit760 2 года назад +1

      Building huge steel tanks is nothing new and are something that is done all the time for different industries.

  • @shaneintegra
    @shaneintegra 2 года назад +4

    3:41 that's incorrect. Flux CORE... Its the core of the wire that burns and releases a protective gas

    • @andersnilsson973
      @andersnilsson973 11 месяцев назад

      Thats also wrong, in FCAW you use a gas shielding and the flux creates a slag cover. Gas can med CO2 or M21 for example.

  • @Т1000-м1и
    @Т1000-м1и Год назад +1

    Very cool stuff

  • @SumriseHD
    @SumriseHD 2 года назад +3

    1:45 Although factually correct, this is a bit misleading.
    Carbon fiber costs more per kg because it is much lighter. About 5x lighter, in fact.
    The price / volume would be a much better measure which is still a 10x difference, not 50x

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 2 года назад

    This is an excellent example of industrial learning curve.

    • @phiksit
      @phiksit 2 года назад

      Or reinventing the wheel.

  • @julianrohe930
    @julianrohe930 2 года назад +4

    i’m amazed ! did you made all those animations yourself ? fantastic job !

  • @manuelteixeira2496
    @manuelteixeira2496 2 года назад

    the path to perfection walks on details.

  • @telljuliet1
    @telljuliet1 2 года назад +3

    The more amazing thing here is that instead of dealing with the bleeding edge physics with carbon fiber, the problem now moved to fixing welds that we have centuries of experience with, so much that just about any neighborhood weldor can build a starship instead of a PHD.

  • @jimmahr.4665
    @jimmahr.4665 Год назад +1

    7:12 the bean lol, it's supposed to be a cloud, but EVERYONE calls it a bean, except for the artist, who's not happy about it.

  • @Maker238DeLoach
    @Maker238DeLoach 2 года назад +3

    Loves it. When I build my rocket, I think I will use SpaceX protype rocket to base it off of! Make On my Friend

  • @jackhester6260
    @jackhester6260 2 года назад +2

    Great work man

  • @joelsaldanha8587
    @joelsaldanha8587 2 года назад +3

    The Broomstick

  • @jbraunschweiger
    @jbraunschweiger Год назад

    The process SpaceX stood up and how quickly they churn out ships is the impressive part. The techniques they use aren’t novel, scale is the interesting challenge here

  • @PushingThroughThePain
    @PushingThroughThePain 2 года назад +4

    With the original crew, one could say that the welding standards were... less than stellar 😅
    I'll see myself out

  • @sainathbarbhai7536
    @sainathbarbhai7536 2 года назад +1

    One of the most accurate videos I have seen in a long time, keep up the job man!!!

  • @equigflightgaracia8240
    @equigflightgaracia8240 2 года назад +3

    Friction stir welding could possibly be used with a curved friction device. Possibly. Or orbital robotic mag welders.

    • @ap123c
      @ap123c 2 года назад +2

      Certainly, FSW was used to weld some fuel tanks for previous nasa rockets’ fuel tanks. However, these tanks were aluminum, which is much easier to weld with this process due to it’s ductility and lower melting temperature, when compared to SS. SS can be welded with FSW, but it is extremely rare to see, and unheard of for a project of this scale,

  • @LOLDEMOS
    @LOLDEMOS 2 года назад

    This video is fascinating and informative! Thanks!

  • @bryanguzik
    @bryanguzik 2 года назад +3

    I'd guess there's a fair chance the first prototype (at least) was on purpose. The whole world already watches Everything you do. So following initial coverage, subsequent changes become more easily met with sighs & praise, along the lines of "Oh, thank God"! Questions naturally become "what did you improve", and not "what were you thinking". And since his companies thrive more (than others) on a human Need for belief, what better way to cement that faith than by a 24/365, live, real-time "physical spiritual growth"? I'm happy to be corrected, but NO serious person puts that first model on display if they're genuinely concerned @ the flock.

  • @LuciFeric137
    @LuciFeric137 2 года назад

    That thing is going to make one helluva bang when it blows up

  • @roadsterman
    @roadsterman 2 года назад +6

    All of the money, time, and labor, could have been saved with a phone call to the American Welding Society
    About the welding procedures and metal choices. Next time hire a certified welding inspector ( older citizen) who knows all about stainless and already has a lifetime of experience. So sad.

    • @johnharris7353
      @johnharris7353 2 года назад +2

      Coulda gotta clue from St Louis Gateway arch too!

    • @josephine2869
      @josephine2869 2 года назад +2

      Just a phone call and will these people come and work at Boca Chica, in the corner of Texas?
      Elon have been talking about robots laser welding plan as early as when they posted Star Hopper built.
      But, what is wrong with using hand weld for early prototype such as Star Hopper?
      Save money? SpaceX literally hired water tower builders. Star Hopper flew which prove it was good enough for early system component testing.
      Save time? Who do you think it is faster to hire? Some water tower builder or aerospace grade welder or robotic welder?

    • @josephine2869
      @josephine2869 2 года назад +1

      What so sad is you have no clue about how SpaceX rapid engineering works.
      A separate engineering team have been developing their own robotic laser welding from the beginning.
      In the mean time, they were also hiring skilled welders.
      Also, they just hired water tower builders.
      Water tower builders got there first and build Star Hopper tank.
      A few month later, skilled welders were hired, got there and hand-build early prototypes.
      The robotic welders got there at last about a year later.
      There is absolutely no waste of money, time or labor.

    • @pickettmandi
      @pickettmandi 2 года назад +1

      Most welding inspectors are useless, some of them cant even weld.

    • @gravelydon7072
      @gravelydon7072 2 года назад +2

      @@pickettmandi My best compliment came when I, as a non-certified welder, was told by a certified pressure vessel welder that there was no need for him to do the welds on a boiler when mine were better than his.

  • @primemac3dstudio18
    @primemac3dstudio18 2 года назад +1

    Ah sorry but that is not fully correct. Welding also is a process that some welders do better than others. The skill of a welder is the ability to not only see the weld but know when to remove the welding tool. A good example is Soldering. In truth the right heat can be used but to much will alter the metal. This also comes to play when working on electronics. With to much heat you could destroy the circuit you started working on. However with just the right amount of heat and observation of the changes one can prevent circuit damage and have a proper soldering point. This looks to be the main problem as well. I would also note that with the metal so thin they would really need to have a very skilled welders.

  • @oceanbytez847
    @oceanbytez847 2 года назад +3

    I don't know why they keep bringing up the rocket 'experience' thing. At the end of the day 2 pieces of metal is 2 pieces of metal. It doesn't matter if they are destined to become a water tower, a truck, a car, a small shed, or even a rocket. The welding technique does not magically change or spike in difficulty.
    Obviously, the people welding this were not the engineers who designed it. Designing it is where experience and education actually matters.

  • @fosteragbor4545
    @fosteragbor4545 2 года назад +2

    Thats a very interesting Video. :D

  • @scenicdepictionsofchicagolife
    @scenicdepictionsofchicagolife 2 года назад

    Wow didn't expect a random Chicago reference! Gotta love the *bean.*

  • @xanderveal
    @xanderveal Год назад +6

    This didn’t age well…

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  Год назад

      I guess all we can do is wait to see where things go from here! Onwards and upwards I hope!

    • @xanderveal
      @xanderveal Год назад +1

      @@primalspace I really want him to succeed though. It’s probably one of the only ways we can sustainably use spacecraft

  • @shoaibarab63
    @shoaibarab63 Год назад +2

    starship looks like it came from the future and from the past at the same time

  • @blakeh-li4kp
    @blakeh-li4kp Год назад +3

    this video aged poorly

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  Год назад +3

      I guess we just don't know what we don't know haha. Looking forward to seeing what happens with Starship next though!

    • @blakeh-li4kp
      @blakeh-li4kp Год назад +1

      @@primalspace for sure, it’ll be fun to watch

  • @chadblechinger5746
    @chadblechinger5746 2 года назад +1

    The footage @ 4:01 is absolutely beautiful. If you don't understand globular transfer after seeing that than meh.

  • @HDCairnsAviation
    @HDCairnsAviation Год назад +3

    This aged poorly

    • @lewis0705
      @lewis0705 Год назад +1

      how? lmao

    • @HDCairnsAviation
      @HDCairnsAviation Год назад +1

      @@lewis0705 starship exploded

    • @lewis0705
      @lewis0705 Год назад +1

      @@HDCairnsAviation yeh but that was expected lol

    • @silas823
      @silas823 Год назад

      @@lewis0705 sure buddy

    • @lewis0705
      @lewis0705 Год назад

      @Silas it was literally a launch test and it successfully launched. everything after that was a bonus and they expected it to explode

  • @tomvandenhoudt4759
    @tomvandenhoudt4759 Год назад

    When you show the crystal structure surrounding the weld, the crystals towards the edge should be elongated, the ones where the weld has occured should be smaller and not stretched since welding will have caused new smaller crystals to propagate. Then when the planishing machine squishes the metal you can accurately show the crystals elongating again due to the cold work.

  • @NBSAMA-z7v
    @NBSAMA-z7v 22 дня назад

    Awesome video, I never knew this about starship.

    • @primalspace
      @primalspace  22 дня назад +1

      So glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!

  • @Clifton100
    @Clifton100 Год назад +1

    Fantastic video1 Stainless steel construction is something I always wanted to know about Starship.

  • @capitanothegreat3994
    @capitanothegreat3994 2 года назад

    Can you imagine the Welders that Weld those first Starship feel watching this Video, i hope there are the same Welders welding the Newest Starship.

  • @daryljones8883
    @daryljones8883 Год назад +1

    My Father is a certified welder and worked at Norfolk Southern for 35 years, He said if you have to grind your weld you are not a welder but a grinder.

  • @chris_floyd1
    @chris_floyd1 2 года назад

    Perfect use of that office clip

  • @IsaacConejo
    @IsaacConejo 2 года назад

    Fun fact my cousin is a lead welder at the spacex production site.omg it's an amazing place! U Must visit!

  • @eamonshields2754
    @eamonshields2754 2 года назад +1

    Really great video, thanks!

  • @temirkhansmagulov1188
    @temirkhansmagulov1188 Год назад +1

    Reminds me how the initial Ironman suit was welded

  • @anotherdumbwelder6219
    @anotherdumbwelder6219 2 года назад

    Whoever built the first stainless one should be embarrassed, didn’t even use grinding discs that weren’t contaminated

  • @ryansteckel9281
    @ryansteckel9281 2 года назад

    Michael Scott cameo was perfection.

  • @cutedoggos8093
    @cutedoggos8093 2 года назад +1

    This looks like something that was been built in the 1950s, N.A.S.A is decades ahead of this.

    • @fromgermany271
      @fromgermany271 2 года назад

      Reinventing is what this cult is worshipping all the time.

  • @bobbygetsbanned6049
    @bobbygetsbanned6049 2 года назад

    I love the fact that they started out in some tiny Texas town with guys who built water towers, and even though it looked like shit it worked good enough to just upgrade the welding methods and keep building them there.

    • @jhonsiders6077
      @jhonsiders6077 2 года назад +1

      Caldwell tanks based in louisville Kentucky I used to haul for them

    • @phiksit
      @phiksit 2 года назад +1

      Well, I guess it's way to show your doing something ...while you actually try and figure out what the hell your doing 😝

  • @yrag0789able
    @yrag0789able 2 года назад +1

    Flux wire has the Flux on the inside, not the outside

  • @choopsk6734
    @choopsk6734 2 года назад

    One of my favorite "the office" moments.

  • @johnr.timmers2297
    @johnr.timmers2297 2 года назад +1

    Honestly the first starship is amazing, simply because it proved that, while very rough, you don't need your own NASA to build a rocket, albeit with a decent amount of risk involved.

  • @bottomboygaming7699
    @bottomboygaming7699 2 года назад +1

    If they ever finalize the exterior design, maybe they'll switch to hydroforming large sections to reduce the number of welds required?