Re caddies - it ticked me off when Jack Nicklaus was against a pro golfer riding a cart, but apparently had no problem with a caddie giving yardages, advise on club selection and reading putts.
At the PGA Valspar tournament march 17 2024….the caddie* of one player ( Clark ) was not only giving his advices to the player but also was on the green with a club in his hands in the middle of the intended line of the ball to the hole and practicing the necessary move of the club while the player watched at the beginning of the line…..The PGA should rule that a caddie is not a player. He carry the bag, sort the clubs, cleans the sand traps…the ball but the player is alone on the course to make decisions and play. They have plenty of time together and before the Tournament to evaluate the surroundings and every holes and determine strategy. It’s a single trophy, single money prize recognition not a team effort. * he still doing it at the Houston Open march 28th ErEf, Montréal, Canada
At my club, when a player has a hole in one, a bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label is put on the bar and anyone playing that day is entitled to have a drink to celebrate the event. The cost of the bottle (or bottles on a busy day) is put on the account of the member and paid at the end of the month. This gave rise to the call at any shot going close on a par 3, not to "Go in!" but "Be expensive!".
With respect to speed of play on greens, rules have to applicable at all levels of the game, so time limits aren't practical. It might be simpler to just ban caddies from walking on the green at all. Treat them like carts or trolleys.
⚛️ I have a 5 and 7 Callaway Steelhead 111 from 2002 ✅ I could get 10% + more distance with new technology ⚛️ I can shape the old stuff better plus the distance is ok for my golf ⛳️ course ⚛️
I HATE watching Aimpoint caddies walking DIRECTLY in the Player's line. I consider that more cheating than belly putters and do not believe caddies should be able to intrude the playing diameter of the competitors except to tend a flagstick. Caddies are allowed WAY too many liberties and power over integrity and rules
I’m of the mindset that caddies should give yardages, help with club selection and the usual stuff but no help lining up. On the greens they can give help reading the putt but nothing else. On aces. I played at one club where we had hole in one insurance. Everyone who signed up got charged like $5. That paid for a keg and a soda or something for non drinkers. The money left over went to the player with the Ace for pro shop credit. Unfortunately I never had one there but I maybe got charged $15 a year so it was worth it. I’ve had 2 aces at my current club where you’re supposed to buy for everyone. My first time it was late at night so it was only $70. The second was about the same because it was a slow day. They do allow you to cap your cost at a certain amount so you don’t get gouged too badly. My personal view is that it should be the opposite. Everyone should be buying you drinks, not the other way around.
It would be interesting to see the pros with a manual or automatic push cart with no caddie. Forced to get their own yardages in practice rounds. Would be fun at least once event.
Whatever speeds up golf, especially pro golf, I'm behind it. These guys have spent most of their lives practicing and playing. No reason to aim point a 1ft putt, I've seen it. Playing for millions argument doesn't hold with me either. The preparation should carry them through
I can't relate to golf courses being closed in winter. (I live in Sydney, Australia). Re caddies, no problem with them doing anything on the course except swing the club. As indicated in the discussion, the way to limit over-involvement by caddies is through shot clocks or more generally the tour or tournament organisers coming down harder on slow play. That is the crux of the issue: it's not really about caddies being involved in all sorts of decisions it's about the amount of time this takes. SImply be stricter on slow play and the "problem" will sort itself out.
In the far east (particularly Japan) the player who gets a hole in one is expected to buy expensive gifts for his playing partners, typically watches etc.
Initially I was okay with buying one of the highly rated putters that weren't the mainstream favorites like Scotty Cameron however when you go to try to sell one that's not one of those it's next to impossible to get any money out of it. The nice thing about is Scotty is that it holds its value. It's a putter too. As much as I love you guys and your work, in the end it's the archer, not the arrow.
It's always the archer and the arrow. And if we can agree that there are performance differences between products (which there are), then we have to concede that some will perform better than others. And no doubt, SC might hold value better than some others, but if I had to come up with a list of 10 criteria to consider when buying a putter, resale value would be at best 14th.
@@GolfSpyC statistically you may be correct however after buying something tested well in these tests but did not work for you personally, and you'd like to get rid of it, many don't recover even half of the putter price. I guess I just don't like $400 paperweights laying around... I don't think I can think of six components to look for in a putter let alone 14. I have however said, "what the hell I'll try this putter if I don't like it I'll just sell it and get a different one.... "
I’d say fairway wood is toughest to find where it works most of the time. I had one once and caved the face in and any replacement sucked. It’s sucked ever since. lol. Drivers on the other hand is where I want to cave the face in. My Ping G is close to caving and ping will then give me a brand new model as similar as possible the G430 LS but I’d quickly trade in unused on the new ping 10k max.
disagree, caddies are and have always been a part of the game. they are a team working towards a goal, how good your caddie is at their job will determine how well you play. But at the end of the day I suck at golf and i could have a professional caddie line my shots up and i would still not break 80.
I personally think caddies should be banned from assisting with reading putts, it is suppose to be a test of the player’s ability not the caddy. I have no problem with them assisting with club selection and yardages.
@@aliasErEf if the player wins the Caddie wins. They're a team and there is significant money incentives for caddies when their player places high or wins.
A thought....the caddie can tell the pro what to hit from 300 yards, 200 yards, 100 yards, 50 yards...why not a 10 yard putt? It's all just advise, the pro hits the shot
Sure, they get the yardage, help select a club and the player hits the shot. Once they get to the green, it's the same club - the putter. Let the pro do the rest.
Need some sort of clock and once on the green, no help from the caddie. They are professionals making pretty good money. They should be able to line up a putt by themselves, and in a reasonable amount of time.
The headline maker for this video appears to be dyslexic and spelling-challenged. First headline should Malnati wins Valspar, and second headline should read Caddies Do Too Much. Happy to help.
The fact is a lot of golfers are only doing well because they have a top caddie who can read greens and aim approach shots. Caddies scout and take notes on the course and greens then use their book during the 4 rounds. Caddies should be banned from giving advise during play.
Caddies are fine how they are. The rule that pisses me off is allowing grounding a club, and moving objects in a Hazard(penalty area). Utterly ridiculous.
No caddies on the greens..period. Faster play, the player has learn how to read greens and try and tell me thats not a significant and important part of the game.
I have TBH.....the idea that MGS wants to cancel caddy's is the most idiotic thing ever......Caddys have been the players right hand man for centuries and once again "feelings" are driving the agenda.....can we please get ba ck to data driven testing and legit golf topics? What has happened to MGS over the last 1.5 years? Things have changed at MGS and its NOT for the better.
Caddies keep golf elitist by making the game less accessible at every level. Why should young pros working to make ends meet be expected to support another person financially? It’s a terrible tradition that holds the game back.
Or see who drink the most like John. Lol. They need to do something because watching golf now sucks. Hadn’t even watched in months. Even got rid of golf channel. Used to never missed a weekend.
I agree. A caddy should carry the bag. Yardages are fine, but a pro should be able to read greens and line up. That's a skill they should have mastered. The Lpga had a problem with caddys lining up players and outlawed it.
Between extended caddie-overreach and glacier-like speed of reading putts with AimPoint, I’m for a shot-clock for each shot and a real penalty for the player. Baseball has demonstrated how well this has worked last year and have increased viewership too.
The game has nearly always had caddies. They are an intergral part of the professional game and I have no issue with their use or purpose. However, they should not be allowed to help players line up, and especially not read putts. Golf is primarily an individual skill-based sport/game and having someone else read your putts takes an element of that skill away. I wonder, though - would banning it, and making players read their own putts, speed up or slow down the (already painfully slow) pace of play in professional tournaments?
We have HIO at our course and whoever gets the home on gets all the money and pays for drinks on their own accord whatever's left they get to keep. I got a hole-in-one on a crappy day and there was only my foursome in the clubhouse and went home with a little over $350 after buying three rounds and some food for my guys.
Gear is all relevant and in reality improvements are incremental. Is my tsi3 and better than my 913d3? minuscule. Bit better adjustment but the 917 has similar!! Love to see you beat mt 915 hybrids!!!
My first ACE went like this: make hole in one, celebrate buying entire bar drinks who then sent me drinks, 50 plus pulled up ⬆️ handed out tokens for drinks but still got the DUI on the way home. So it cost me about 140k dollars, 6 years of my life both fighting it and doing the various court ordered stuff, lost opportunity due to it being immediately after graduating college and career was held back about 10 years. It’s probably nearly 500K in missed income and job prospects. I’d vote mine the most expensive in history. Wasn’t fun at all. The whole buy everyone a drink is kinda old and then most will send you a chip for a free drink which really gets you into trouble.
Re caddies - it ticked me off when Jack Nicklaus was against a pro golfer riding a cart, but apparently had no problem with a caddie giving yardages, advise on club selection and reading putts.
At the PGA Valspar tournament march 17 2024….the caddie* of one player ( Clark ) was not only giving his advices to the player but also was on the green with a club in his hands in the middle of the intended line of the ball to the hole and practicing the necessary move of the club while the player watched at the beginning of the line…..The PGA should rule that a caddie is not a player. He carry the bag, sort the clubs, cleans the sand traps…the ball but the player is alone on the course to make decisions and play. They have plenty of time together and before the Tournament to evaluate the surroundings and every holes and determine strategy. It’s a single trophy, single money prize recognition not a team effort.
* he still doing it at the Houston Open march 28th
ErEf, Montréal, Canada
At my club, when a player has a hole in one, a bottle of Johnny Walker Black Label is put on the bar and anyone playing that day is entitled to have a drink to celebrate the event. The cost of the bottle (or bottles on a busy day) is put on the account of the member and paid at the end of the month.
This gave rise to the call at any shot going close on a par 3, not to "Go in!" but "Be expensive!".
With respect to speed of play on greens, rules have to applicable at all levels of the game, so time limits aren't practical. It might be simpler to just ban caddies from walking on the green at all. Treat them like carts or trolleys.
⚛️ I have a 5 and 7 Callaway Steelhead 111 from 2002 ✅ I could get 10% + more distance with new technology ⚛️ I can shape the old stuff better plus the distance is ok for my golf ⛳️ course ⚛️
Caddy should not be allowed to line up the player on any shot!
Didn’t the LPGA already get of that too? Don’t know how the pga is getting away with it lol
I HATE watching Aimpoint caddies walking DIRECTLY in the Player's line. I consider that more cheating than belly putters and do not believe caddies should be able to intrude the playing diameter of the competitors except to tend a flagstick. Caddies are allowed WAY too many liberties and power over integrity and rules
I’m of the mindset that caddies should give yardages, help with club selection and the usual stuff but no help lining up. On the greens they can give help reading the putt but nothing else.
On aces. I played at one club where we had hole in one insurance. Everyone who signed up got charged like $5. That paid for a keg and a soda or something for non drinkers. The money left over went to the player with the Ace for pro shop credit. Unfortunately I never had one there but I maybe got charged $15 a year so it was worth it. I’ve had 2 aces at my current club where you’re supposed to buy for everyone. My first time it was late at night so it was only $70. The second was about the same because it was a slow day. They do allow you to cap your cost at a certain amount so you don’t get gouged too badly. My personal view is that it should be the opposite. Everyone should be buying you drinks, not the other way around.
It would be interesting to see the pros with a manual or automatic push cart with no caddie. Forced to get their own yardages in practice rounds. Would be fun at least once event.
=Wow T-Sqaured hit the charts! YESSSS! Buffalo boy here. they are right in Orchard Park by the stadium!
Whatever speeds up golf, especially pro golf, I'm behind it. These guys have spent most of their lives practicing and playing. No reason to aim point a 1ft putt, I've seen it. Playing for millions argument doesn't hold with me either. The preparation should carry them through
Misspelled Malnati on graphic and why the hell would you want to ban caddies?
I can't relate to golf courses being closed in winter. (I live in Sydney, Australia).
Re caddies, no problem with them doing anything on the course except swing the club. As indicated in the discussion, the way to limit over-involvement by caddies is through shot clocks or more generally the tour or tournament organisers coming down harder on slow play. That is the crux of the issue: it's not really about caddies being involved in all sorts of decisions it's about the amount of time this takes. SImply be stricter on slow play and the "problem" will sort itself out.
In the far east (particularly Japan) the player who gets a hole in one is expected to buy expensive gifts for his playing partners, typically watches etc.
Initially I was okay with buying one of the highly rated putters that weren't the mainstream favorites like Scotty Cameron however when you go to try to sell one that's not one of those it's next to impossible to get any money out of it. The nice thing about is Scotty is that it holds its value. It's a putter too. As much as I love you guys and your work, in the end it's the archer, not the arrow.
It's always the archer and the arrow. And if we can agree that there are performance differences between products (which there are), then we have to concede that some will perform better than others. And no doubt, SC might hold value better than some others, but if I had to come up with a list of 10 criteria to consider when buying a putter, resale value would be at best 14th.
@@GolfSpyC statistically you may be correct however after buying something tested well in these tests but did not work for you personally, and you'd like to get rid of it, many don't recover even half of the putter price. I guess I just don't like $400 paperweights laying around... I don't think I can think of six components to look for in a putter let alone 14. I have however said, "what the hell I'll try this putter if I don't like it I'll just sell it and get a different one.... "
I’d say fairway wood is toughest to find where it works most of the time. I had one once and caved the face in and any replacement sucked. It’s sucked ever since. lol. Drivers on the other hand is where I want to cave the face in. My Ping G is close to caving and ping will then give me a brand new model as similar as possible the G430 LS but I’d quickly trade in unused on the new ping 10k max.
Did you guys not hear the echo through the entire show?
disagree, caddies are and have always been a part of the game. they are a team working towards a goal, how good your caddie is at their job will determine how well you play. But at the end of the day I suck at golf and i could have a professional caddie line my shots up and i would still not break 80.
I mostly agree but if the caddies are truly team mates, then their name should get engraved in the trophy too.
Once the ball gets to the green caddie should give advice and touch only the flag. Period
I personally think caddies should be banned from assisting with reading putts, it is suppose to be a test of the player’s ability not the caddy. I have no problem with them assisting with club selection and yardages.
I have to carry my bag. Feel it on the last 6 holes if I'm not using a hand cart. Maybe pros should also carry or use push cargs😅
Disagree, theyre a team. If the player wins the caddie wins. Within time allotment let them help.
The caddie wins ??? Maybe up in is mind and a 5% bonus maybe 10 if he works for Tiger Woods
@@aliasErEf if the player wins the Caddie wins. They're a team and there is significant money incentives for caddies when their player places high or wins.
A thought....the caddie can tell the pro what to hit from 300 yards, 200 yards, 100 yards, 50 yards...why not a 10 yard putt? It's all just advise, the pro hits the shot
Sure, they get the yardage, help select a club and the player hits the shot. Once they get to the green, it's the same club - the putter. Let the pro do the rest.
Need some sort of clock and once on the green, no help from the caddie. They are professionals making pretty good money. They should be able to line up a putt by themselves, and in a reasonable amount of time.
I think caddies should only be able to point at a break point on the green and that’s it using club shafts and aim point for caddies is bush league
Caddies are fine and what they are doing is fine, lighten up Francis.
So your totally fine with caddies lining up putts for players? Mimicking the putt with a wedge? Hard pass for me.
The headline maker for this video appears to be dyslexic and spelling-challenged. First headline should Malnati wins Valspar, and second headline should read Caddies Do Too Much. Happy to help.
teamates acting as caddies . Tony on it again!
No caddies, give the players a cart and a rangefinder and send them on their way
I LOVE the teammates aspect of the caddy. It adds to the broadcast and its just plain fun.
The fact is a lot of golfers are only doing well because they have a top caddie who can read greens and aim approach shots. Caddies scout and take notes on the course and greens then use their book during the 4 rounds. Caddies should be banned from giving advise during play.
Caddies are fine how they are. The rule that pisses me off is allowing grounding a club, and moving objects in a Hazard(penalty area). Utterly ridiculous.
Ban caddies? NO
Ban caddies like Wyndham Clark's stupid wedge line up? ABSOLUTELY
No caddies on the greens..period. Faster play, the player has learn how to read greens and try and tell me thats not a significant and important part of the game.
I have TBH.....the idea that MGS wants to cancel caddy's is the most idiotic thing ever......Caddys have been the players right hand man for centuries and once again "feelings" are driving the agenda.....can we please get ba ck to data driven testing and legit golf topics? What has happened to MGS over the last 1.5 years? Things have changed at MGS and its NOT for the better.
Caddies keep golf elitist by making the game less accessible at every level. Why should young pros working to make ends meet be expected to support another person financially?
It’s a terrible tradition that holds the game back.
Pros walking the damn courses make no sense. That a cart and speed up play. Won’t even need a caddy
Shouldn't endurance be part of the test?
Or see who drink the most like John. Lol. They need to do something because watching golf now sucks. Hadn’t even watched in months. Even got rid of golf channel. Used to never missed a weekend.
So how do you guys not know who Peter Malnati is?! You obviously don't watch much golf. 🙄
Yep 4:14 Malanti Malnati
I agree. A caddy should carry the bag. Yardages are fine, but a pro should be able to read greens and line up. That's a skill they should have mastered. The Lpga had a problem with caddys lining up players and outlawed it.
Tony has an echo.
Between extended caddie-overreach and glacier-like speed of reading putts with AimPoint, I’m for a shot-clock for each shot and a real penalty for the player. Baseball has demonstrated how well this has worked last year and have increased viewership too.
If you are a pro, no caddies.
The game has nearly always had caddies. They are an intergral part of the professional game and I have no issue with their use or purpose. However, they should not be allowed to help players line up, and especially not read putts. Golf is primarily an individual skill-based sport/game and having someone else read your putts takes an element of that skill away. I wonder, though - would banning it, and making players read their own putts, speed up or slow down the (already painfully slow) pace of play in professional tournaments?
We have HIO at our course and whoever gets the home on gets all the money and pays for drinks on their own accord whatever's left they get to keep. I got a hole-in-one on a crappy day and there was only my foursome in the clubhouse and went home with a little over $350 after buying three rounds and some food for my guys.
A cart following each group with a rules official and a large shot clock on the front. When thier turn comes the player has 45 seconds to hit.
If it works, why change clubs?
Yellow Pro V 1 winsss!!!!!
Gear is all relevant and in reality improvements are incremental. Is my tsi3 and better than my 913d3? minuscule. Bit better adjustment but the 917 has similar!! Love to see you beat mt 915 hybrids!!!
My first ACE went like this: make hole in one, celebrate buying entire bar drinks who then sent me drinks, 50 plus pulled up ⬆️ handed out tokens for drinks but still got the DUI on the way home. So it cost me about 140k dollars, 6 years of my life both fighting it and doing the various court ordered stuff, lost opportunity due to it being immediately after graduating college and career was held back about 10 years. It’s probably nearly 500K in missed income and job prospects. I’d vote mine the most expensive in history. Wasn’t fun at all. The whole buy everyone a drink is kinda old and then most will send you a chip for a free drink which really gets you into trouble.