Ziroli Plans B-25 Mitchell - HEARTBREAKING CRASH on MAIDEN FLIGHT!
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- Опубликовано: 22 фев 2019
- Sometimes things don't go as planned....BUT, like a phoenix rising up from the ashes, this model is currently being REBUILT and will take to the skies once again!
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Hi all, I was the pilot on the flight and let me tell you, the outcome was gut-wrenching. I feel for Wade as he put countless hours of work into it and it was indeed a beauty.
We did some very thorough investigation and we do actually know exactly what happened; as with any accident it was a series of events that caused the crash. First of all, the obvious reason and ten what you can't see in the video. The crash obviously happened because of a tip stall due to lack of airspeed. You can see that as I bank the plane right to try to make the runway it starts banking right and then the left wing stalls and looses all lift, thus the violent roll left right before the crash.
What was not obvious was what had just happened before that, the plane had been coming back very slowly, trading altitude for airspeed as the throttle did not seem to be having any effect. As soon as it came into hearing range it was obvious that there was something wrong with the motors, they were not spinning and they were twitching as if with a timing issue. My split second decision was to drop the gear, bank right in an attempt to make the runway and I also slammed the throttle down to zero and back up, trying to reset and start up the motors again. The motors never did come back to life and as we know the plane stalled when trying to make the runway.
So what caused the motors to stop working? Unfortunately a combination of things that we never could have predicted. First of all, we believe that the metallic covering shielded radio reception at certain airplane attitudes (angles), it did not show up during the range check as we were not spinning the airplane in all directions. Secondly, a bad combination of receiver features and speed control features made it so that if a brownout was detected the motors would not start up again unless the throttle was held closed for over 4 seconds (if ever at all without a reset), something that we did not know beforehand and something that the time we had available once we realized something was wrong would not have allowed for anyway.
So the final element was the roll trim issue, while trying to get the plane trimmed out you can see that during the upwind turn of the first circuit the plane is completely banked over (it may even have over banked) and this made me very nervous. I opted at this time to change the pattern so that the trim would push me out of the turn instead of into the turn. As I am flying away and trying to get the las bit of aileron trim into the plane (which never was enough) I possibly took a few seconds too many to initiate my return turn. I went to make the left turn and I had a brief lock-out (this happens when the plane is out of focus so you can't see it), we suspect that this lock-out is due to signal loss, probably aided by the metallic shielding effect of the covering. I did not think much of it at the time as control came back within a second and I was more focused on bringing the plane back and keeping the wings level to shorten the distance.
As mentioned above this was the beginning of the end, although I did not know it at the time, the motors had stopped producing thrust and I had limited altitude available. Which brings us full circle...
One final comment, I have maidened hundreds, if not thousands of planes (no, this is not an exaggeration, I do 2-3 maidens on average every weekend and I have been the instructor and go-to pilot at our club for over 8 years) and I know that there are so many little things that can go wrong during any one of these maidens. Whether it's an E-Flite Apprentice or a scratch built beauty like the ones that Wade or John Morgan build I never take the responsibility of any of these flights lightly. Whenever I have an incident it is always the same horrible feeling, infinitely amplified when it happens to someone else's plane and not one of my own. I always play back the flights in my mind and think to myself, is there anything I could have done differently to avoid it and I always think of so many little things. At the end of the day I know that the reason I am asked to do these flights is because people believe (know?) that if something goes wrong I may have a better chance to come out of the other side mostly unscathed.
That does not change the horrible feeling on those few occasions when it doesn't happen.
Thanks so much my friend for checking in and giving an EXTREMELY detailed report! I'm sure it'll answer A LOT of questions and may lay to rest some misconceptions...great job on getting her back to the airfield. She could have been lost over "no man's land" for sure and never recovered...
Excellent wrap-up of a terrible set of circumstances... I too have maidened many airplanes for many people and it never feels good when it goes horribly wrong. I know you know all of this already- Hindsight is always 20/20- doesn’t lessen the sting. People trust your instincts and skills and they wouldn’t ask you if they didn’t... regardless of the outcome you did a great job! 👍🏼
Looking forward to yhe NTSB full report in a year or so.
"Countless hours of work"? Aren't battery operated RC planes simply purchased off the shelf? If it was hand built, why is it electric?
A lot of words . You stalled it. OK, as to what lead up to that I won't second guess. It did look like a nice bird.
Notice, after the crash, everyone helps out and everyone feels for the pilot. the kinda stuff that make this hobby great!
Agreed!
Yes
A rake and big trash bins would have helped.
Fire extinguisher too.
No one ever does that with me anymore
I like the guy who offered to donate some ducktape !
The most notable thing for me is the quality people. Respect for the work, and skills, required to produce this masterpiece was shown by all through the quiet assistance offered.
Completely agree Georg...everyone quietly helped...
And that's what makes a club! The comradery, the good-natured ribbing when it's appropriate, the celebrations of success, and perhaps more importantly, the quiet empathy & support when things don't go well. The planes are cool - but the bonding is priceless.
Couldn't have summed it up any better...great wisdom and insight...👍
OUCH that is beyond sad, especially on its maiden flight! Like most RC flyers, I know the heartbreak of a crash after spending so much time building a gorgeous model. The large scale of this built-from-plans Ziroli model just makes it so much more tragic.
My sincere condolences.
Thanks Jimbo 👍😎!
If one is involved long enough with this beautiful hobby, we all know something like this happens from time to time.....
There are just too many things that can go wrong and unfortunately sometimes they do!
This are the type of things that only true modelers can understand and things that make us come back for more every time.
It’s sad but all I can express is my deepest respect for the owner and the pilot and I know everyone involved in such a beautiful project did the best they could in order to make this go. Unfortunately things happen but we will keep on building our beloved airplanes and hopefully this hobby will never die.
Best regards and keep safe!
Thanks so much Friedl for the very insightful and kind words!!! Everything you wrote is completely true and expressed very eloquently...Cheers and all the best to you as well my friend!
Thank you Sir and please keep on modeling, as this beautiful friendship of RC pilots may continue to grow Sky high.....
@@friedlhochhaeuser6707 Absolutely my friend!
Man that sucks. Anyone who’s been in the hobby long enough knows the Ziroli designs. All you ARF guys can’t imagine the work that goes into a model of this caliber. I scratch built a B-25 from MAN plans I think in the 70’s with 2 K&B 40.s. My Dad didn’t believe in kits😀. 12 flights in, turning right base to final, low and slow the right engine quit. Instead of pulling power and dropping the nose I hit the throttle and corkscrewed in. I was 18 years old and forty years later I still kick myself in the ass for doing that. My Dad never let me forget it either, I got so tired of hearing the story and how he taught me better. Rest his soul.
Thanks for that personal anecdote my friend...👍😎!
heeder777 dads do that
This is just my opinion, but not letting you forget about it sounds kind of screwed up. Shit happens and you are 18 years old flying a complex aircraft. It happens all the time in full size aircraft when one has a bit more time and altitude to think about it first.
Well that is life and if that is the worst thing you have ever done or happened to you, then you are doing better than 99.99999% of humanity.
The way this pilot took off, 1. nearly running off the runway, 2. then jerking the stick back pointing the plane to almost what looked like a 60 degree angle to climb out, tells me NEVER LET THIS CLOWN TOUCH MY RADIO OR MY AIRCRAFT !
Wow all these Experts
@@andrewhoag1255 people have eyes.
New subscriber. I think in the past 24 hours I’ve managed to binge watch all of your videos. Great content buddy your enthusiasm and excitement is what we need to keep this hobby going. My brother and I have been flying with my dad for over 12 years and my dads been flying since the 70’s. I personally love to hear you get excited. Please, please, please keep the content coming. Love it.
Thanks so much for the kind words! I love the RC hobby...I guess it shows! I'll absolutely keep posting videos showing all sorts of RC models in action...Blue skies my friend 👍😎!!!
At least the walk will do them good
Are you saying there some excess weight around . ? 😊
such a cheeky boi
Yeah, but the skinny guys are doing all the heavy lifting.
Makes me sick and it's not even mine! Ugh. My heart goes out to both the owner and the pilot. So many things can conspire against us in this hobby. If you fly long enough, you've pretty much done or witnessed it all. I am sick when I crash my $500 foamie let alone a 100" Ziroli! Glad to hear it's being rebuilt.
Thanks Todd 😁👍!
This is actually gut-wrenching, that bomber looked like a true masterpiece. But I adore your respect for the crash and the aftermath. No giggling, childish laughter or bellowing wooowoowoooows.
Thanks Thomas 😎!
The only thing I can observe , is that poor math was used in the electric's . He wasn,t up long enough to have a really good flight time , + he flew WAY TOO FAR , for no reason . When doing a maiden , you stay , 3 mistakes high and in front of you + keep most of the flight , DOWN WIND . They all have an expiry date , sad it was so soon , makes it heart breaking
my first thought too,,, keep it in close and especially one you are having trouble seeing,,, pilot error here
You seriously think he flew that far away on purpose? There is a pinned comment 2 years earlier than yours that explains everything, just read it.
as a pilot I really feel for the loss of this beautiful bird,I hope the recovery goes well.
Boy, I'm sure glad to see you two Gentlemen getting some exercise.
You need to start a campaign of walking around the block at least once everyday.
Sorry about your lose, It looks like the wing stalled.
Did you have to small of a voltage regulator on it.
I use redundant radio systems and batteries, one system on the left side and one system for the right side.
Thanks for the video.
That's some cold advice😂
@@Rooksaho *I'm sorry for their loss.*
Sometimes you got to be cruel, to be kind;
ruclips.net/video/FQdxGpV5aV8/видео.html
You're a loser
Yup..... shadow weighs 22 lbs.
@@daveburmester3249 guessing you're a fat fk too.... thank you for running up my medical insurance.....
Do some push aways... not push ups. Push away from the table first, then push ups......
You know, it’s a good group of guys you fly with. I didn’t hear anybody laugh when the crash happened, and a large group went down and helped the pilot pick it up. Says a lot about your club.
A good group indeed Rooster...thanks brother 👍😎!
To anyone that looses power. You must keep the nose down all the way down to the flare. This video shows why. So sorry for your crash.
Indeed my friend...
"I dont' know what happened there'. Well, for one, you went WAY too far out on the maiden flight.
Completely agree
Wade still has a few details to work on.
Indeed....can't wait to see her in the fall at St. George! 👍😎!
Oh wow! That was a beautiful looking scale model, you can tell the amount of work and detail that has gone into that! It was gut wrenching to watch it crash, so I can understand how gutted you must feel piloting it when that happened! 😥
I was tough to watch for sure...😢
Although it was beautiful it was not scale in any way shape or form. No B-25 ever built climbed out that quickly and at that angle. The thing looked like a STOL at takeoff. lol
Beautiful plane. I build and know the gut wrenching feeling also. Appreciate test pilots willing to maiden our birds. Appreciate the detailed analysis.
Beautiful looking plane. Can't imagine the hours put into building/finishing it. Sorry for your loss. Hard to have a feel for the glide ratio on the first flight... Hopefully it will be rebuilt and fly another day.
Thanks Scott, and yes, she's being rebuilt and will fly again this fall 👍😎!
I, personally, don't have the patience (or skill) to build something like this beautiful B25. If I did.. I would be DEVISTATED, as I'm sure you were. I can only imagine. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Strat 👍😎!
Subbed and liked. Beautiful model, and beautiful attitude when it went wrong. True modellers! IT WILL FLY!!
Thanks VERY much Paul! And YES, she will fly again 👍😎!!!
My RC trainer once told me, "If you ain't willin' to crash it, you don't have no business buildin' it or flyin' it".
I definitely have not maidened hundreds of planes but I prefer to keep them high and close. As well I like to have the owner adjust the trims while I handle everything else. I never even cycle the gear until the second or third flight. Lessons learned the hard way.
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no one ever flies my planes.i can crash my own with out any help
I also chew my own gum....for good or bad....
Such a beautiful model, how sad. Sympathy to both the builder and the pilot, I know all too well it hurts less to crash your out plane. There is only one thing worse than crashing on maiden....and that’s not flying it at all so respect for putting such a pretty model in the air. With your skills I hope she can be rebuilt. Cheers from NZ, and stay safe.
Thanks so much for the very kind wordsand sentiments my friend...Cheers and all the best to you!
A tragedy, my heart goes out to the owner/Pilot. Thing to keep in mind with giant scale RC airplanes: a 32 pound model cannot gently glide back to the runway, you must keep your airspeed up until you're sure you can land on something- road, open desert, runway, etc. As the left wing stalled the right wing continued to fly, the enivatable spin into the ground resulted. Hopefully you'll rebuild and fly again💜
Absolutely, positively agree with all you said! Thanks much for checking in my friend and all the best to you 😎👍😁!
We've all had that kind of pain....but dang that one really hurts
Thanks Bill 👍😎!
Wow, I thought it was a real B25 from the thumbnail. Sorry for the crash but hopefully he rebuilds her.
REBUILD??? Really?
@@stanislouse4168 you'd be surprised at what they rebuild. Sometimes they just salvage parts and start again.
bdelapen ; so sorry that model was lost but your analysis is spot on and illustrates and amplifies your thoroughness in all you do. Your report is on par with the NTSB crash reports of full scale airplanes. I have read hundreds if not thousands of NTSB reports and have written many published books on aviation crash findings. I am a pilot and former r/c airplane builder and flyer. I would trust you with my model's maiden flight anytime. You gave this flight your best. No one could have performed any better given the circumstances.
Are you kidding? no range check, no control surface check, no run up check. Is that in any of your "books"? that you wrote
That really sucks. Very beautiful plane and looked well built. Usually that coating doesn't effect signal what so ever and flight metal corp always defends that. Before I do a maiden, I always tell myself before I take off not to fly too far away even when I am having trim issues. If you could have stayed in the close pattern, you might have had a chance to land her on the runway. I really hope your next maiden goes well, and good luck, you did a great job of building that B-25 ( my favorite bomber).
Thanks Jeff 👍😎!
This hobby is like marriage....lotta time and money, then she cuts all communication with you.
Agree
I felt that I'm my soul. I hope he was able to repair it.
He did Jimmy and it has indeed flown again! Here's the vid: ruclips.net/video/haqPEr9L__U/видео.html&t= Wishing you all the best my friend!
Beautiful bird so sorry to see her go down like that. Love the metallic finish on the covering. Hopefully he will be able to put her back together and get it back up in the air.
Years ago, back at one of the scale masters contests, one was entered, he had a OD green finish, sat in the sun all day before flying. He used a soda bottle with 100PSI for gear and flaps, and when they tried to fly it, got engines started, taxied out to take off and the bottle let go, not enough tape on it, It blew the tail end off, leaving the nose and wing, and the tail and rudder, the rest kindling on the runway, Heat put more PSI's than bottle allowed.
Holy crap James 😲!!! Thanks for sharing that intersting (and SCARY) story...all the best to you my friend!
There was a picture joke in a model railroading magazine where an RC flyer's plane is smashed against the windshield of a car. The model railroader suggests, "Maybe its time to switch to model railroading". Seriously, I suspect that if you have never crashed, you have probably never flown. And if your constitution can't tolerate this sort of thing happening, then perhaps some other hobby would be best.
Love the B-25, sorry to see it go down like that.
Thanks Chris....it was gut wrenching for sure...
Tail heavy approach stall? Don't forget you have rudders when the ailerons malfunction! Have done the same thing!
Ouch!! I feel for the builder of this beautiful model! Been building and flying model rockets since 1969 and had similar things happen to my best, more complex builds (including scale models). Only thing you can do is pick up the pieces, figure out how and what happened and make the corrections and put it up in the air again.
Thanks for checking in David, and YES, you are so right! Pick up the pieces, put it back together, and get her back in the air...Cheers and all the best to you my friend!
@@JustwingitRC Well, a few years ago I flew a rather complicated clustered/multistage rocket that had a camera payload in the nosecone. This was at the Johnson Space Center near Houston, TX. It flew so high that we lost sight of it; even though we could hear the ejection charge of the four upper stage engines popping to effect the recovery system deployment (an 18" diameter nylon florescent parachute and a 30 foot long orange streamer to aid in tracking and visibility during recovery), none of us could see it anymore. I had quite a few pics in that camera from previous launches that rocket took.
@@dwmzmm Wow! I'm sorry you lost it...sounds like a GIANT and such a project!
@@JustwingitRC It's ok, part of the risks we take when undertaking such hobbies. But speaking of RC airplanes, you've probably heard about a place near Houston, TX call "Bomber Field" where RC aircraft are flown regularly by enthusiasts such as yourself. Just google Bomber Field and you'll see. I've been wanting to go there to view the RC airplanes fly as a spectator. Really cool looking place.
@@dwmzmm Indeed David, I've certainly heard of "Bomber Field"...would like to visit some day if I'm in the area!
Damn dude! I'm sorry! Such a beautiful bird.
Thanks Brandon 👍😎!
Thank you 👍😎
The time for a model aircraft Black Box is way overdue.
My opinion too
Nice model, great facility; love those (listric-low-angle) normal faults in the scarp in front ! staying closer to tower sounds reasonable; maybe a day-glo test livery too, and chase planes.. lol. The abruptness of RC crashes, with the scaling factors against stability, is saddeningly abrupt. Sympathy and thanks for post
Thanks Doc, I appreciate it 👍😎!
That model was so realistic that an NTSB crash investigation should have been done! I love the Mitchell bombers....
Indeed Terry! Yes, a lot of work went into that, but the good news is that she was repaired (if you can believe it!) and has flown again. And YES, I really like the Mitchell bombers as well, but especially the early ones. All the best to you my friend!
FANTASTIC MODEL AND VIDEO. LIKE IT VERY MUCH. THUMB UP.
Thank you very much 👍😎!!!
Thanks for the video!!!! Much of it was out of focus!
Sorry for your loss om the maiden.
Thanks my friend 👍😎
I HAD a nitro trainer with a FM transmitter, and it was flying great then it nose dived to the ground. I didn't figure out what went wrong till I looked at the battery. It had a broken wire that shorted out. It was a trainer I bought for $100 off e bay, so it wasn't a great loss!
Wow David! Glad it didn't cost much...👍
Justwingit, Yes, but it was an OLD trainer. I have 2 other nitro trainers I got on ebay, and stupid guy had them listed as FREE shipping. It would of cost more to ship then drive them, so I was nice and we met 1/2 way. One has floats. I doubt I will ever fly them. They ran 5 years ago. I have a Apprentice that I bought for $100 without Transmitter, and receiver that I want to try. Our local RC airfield doesn't have many people that go anymore. It's really sad. I should get ahold of the club leader. He doesn't fly much anymore! He has a HUGE extra that he did some damage to, but fixed it. He could be scared to fly it, but he has smaller ones! I live on the coast of WA, and we get some pretty good winds here!
Thanks David 👍😎!!!
BEEN THERE DID THAT. NEVER WILL YOU STOP HEARING CRASH BANG AND THE SICK FEELING WHEN YOU AWAKE THE NEXT MORNING. FOR SOME REASON WE NEVER QUIT AND GO FORWARD. SORRY THAT WAS A BUITYFULL B-25. WE LIVE AVIATION AND LOVE IT.
Thanks for the kind words brother 👍😎!!!
OUCH!!! This is why my RC hobby is crawlers, I do enough damage to my RCs at 3mph on the ground...
HAH! Indeed my friend, indeed...I feel your pain 👍😁!
Model got kinda far out there! Best to keep 'em in close on a maiden voyage.
I agree...👍😎
Agreed, and why not good external antennas for control receiver? That's what I'd do. I don' t know if you can put two in there w/a coupler but it would be an interesting thing to explore. In fact I'm quite sure that is out there in the blogspace.
Now that brought a tear to my eye. 😮😥😥😥😭🤯. Ohhhh well live and learn I guess. For some reason this is how most maiden flights have gone for me. But never at this expenses this is why I stick to the foamies I guess. Good video wing man. But a sad day. 😎
Thank you Roy, and it was a sad day indeed. BUT, she will rise again....stay tuned 😉😎!
@@JustwingitRC this video impacted me. I felt so much sorrow for the owner pilot. I gave you a shout-out on pilot Ryan and Capt Mike live you tube feed and told everyone to see this video. So I hope you get some views and sub's. I love the wing man's videos you do great work. 👍😎
Thanks so much Roy for the support!!! Blue skies my friend 😎👍!!!
We build, we take pictures, we fly, we take pictures, we crash, we take pictures, we rebuild, we take pictures. The expensive circle of RC modeling... RIP, nice looking plane.
as much as I like plains and knowing how much time and money it takes to put one of these together just to watch it crash I think I'll stick with my model railroading.
I don't blame you Tim...plus model railroading can be very enjoyable 😎!
Tim Ehnes If you like the look of planes then why not try one? You don’t need anything fancy or expensive, just a simple foam glider will give you a taste for it, best hobby there is 👍🏻
Totally agree 👍😎!
I have the problem I have is when they get too far away I loose my bearings and things go wrong I have one plane left. and I will never fly it because my father built it and now he's no longer with us and I don't want to crash it too. I will stick with my trains.
No offence to anyone but that was purely pilot error. I can't tell from the video if the engines are running or not but the plane was flown to far out for a maiden flight. A first flight should be quick up, around the pattern and down to do a post flight check.
Having done a small amount of flying .. I remember having to resist from flaring, too soon. And if the pilot's remote, and of course, there's no airspeed indicator to go by .. combined with not being over where you'd rather be .. yikes.
That sucks! What a beautiful aircraft, it deserved so much more. Just goes to show that flying ain't easy!
Well, I guess there's a little bit more to do than just adding details.....
Indeed...
Oh, that breaks the heart! Absolutely a beautiful plane. Wade, you are a "Master" craftsman. Please share whether you rebuild or replace.
Absolutely breaks the heart Joe! BUT...Last I heard from Wade is that she's being rebuilt and will be ready for this fall's fly-in in St. George 😎👍!
@@JustwingitRC That's wonderful to hear. I wish I was as talented!
What was battery volts after crash landing? Maybe telemetry for battery would be good option on the rebuild. got it too slow on approach and tip stalled. What is the field elevation there? I hope you can rebuild it.
Bill, I don't think we know what the volts were....the batteries were pretty much destroyed upon impact. The plane is being rebuilt and will hopefully fly this fall at St. George!
Watched one back in mid or late 1980s. Same plane, had dark green paint scheme. It had Quadras for power. It sat in heat all day waiting for his flight. Started good, taxied out and just as engines advanced, the fuselage behind the wing and in front of the stab just blew up! He had a quart soda bottle crammed inside, with one or two wrapped areas around the bottle, in the heat, that 100 psi in side the bottle went past the bursting point of the bottle, taking the fuse apart. The front started to move forward, but with out the tail. He shook his head, piled the whole mess in his pit when he discovered the blown apart bottle. If you use dark paint schemes, put a shade over it. If you use a plastic bottle, make sure you wrap more than one or two places and test it in the heat of the day. this was at Wendover AFB, in Massachusetts. in mid summer.
WOW! Thanks for the story James, very interesting look back in RC Model Aviation, and yes, those dark colors are a bear in heat. All the best to you!
@@JustwingitRC A good friend and I went to a four stroke rally in Sacramento one summer, he had an ARF P-51B, sat in the sun all afternoon, flew it, two minutes in, it went wild, flew into the ground, no control at all. he sent the receiver back, completely cooked, the inside temp, with dark paint job, had gone past what the electronics could handle. I kept mine in the shade as much as possible, had yellow paint scheme, so much cooler inside.
Dude be quiet let him focus It's a maiden for Christ's sake!!!
I want to take my GI JOES and lay them out on the ground around the crash in crash poses.
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Don't forget the ketchup and leftover giblets from Easter.
That's a heartbreaker. Of course, we all go through it, whether experienced or newbie.
Thanks my friend...a heart breaker for sure, but she will fly again 😎👍!
I think we've all been there at one time ... or more..!! Just keep flying..!!!!
Thanks Joe 😎👍!
Great builders, terrible pilots.
Why was the owner letting big boy test fly it? My gosh, he looked like he didn't even know how to fly a trainer properly. This video should be a model for everything not to do on a test flight. There has got to be some decent pilots at that field that know how to do test flights?
Show us how it's done then, where's your video??????
Dear pilot no need to feel bad, it’s apart of the hobby, crap happens. Just like the concord there is no such thing as a crash proof plane. Hell I just smacked my $1500 helicopter into the ground on Maiden a few months ago because I screwed up one small setting on a new radio I bought. Sucks balls but what can you do, just build and fly again? I think the biggest problem with that flight was too many backseat pilots. I hate when everyone and their grandmother decide that they want to stand on top of you just to give you their two cents. Give the guy some space and let him fly.
I agree fully with the silver covering/paint causing radio interference. I personally experienced the same phenomena with my own plane after ignoring warnings from fellow club members to run an external antenna. It range checked just fine and flew well close in but when it was some distance from the field it glitched like crazy. I ran the antenna outside and no more problems. I admit I am not a fan of electric motors as they lack the visceral thrill of a gas engine. I mean, just how scale did that Mitchell sound on take off? I rest my case.
WOW, so many critics and experts, instead of being constructive, today's society of non-proofed experts want to resort to name calling and destructive criticism, funny though, haven't seen anyone post a helpful video showing the correct way to pilot a plane of any kind, not even a paper airplane, just saying, okay all you experts with hurt feelings, do your best to criticize what I said cause we all know how false pride goes, have a great day.
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I am sorry to see such a beautiful plane die.
She's only wounded my friend....she's being rebuilt and will fly again 👍😎!
I noticed what appeared to be pre-war paint Scheme and D-Day invasion paint scheme was this detailed after a real B25?
Both engines rotate same direction? Or counter rotate to help with one engine out performance?
Was antannae mounted outside of model?
Hi Tim! I think this is modeled after a full-sized B-25, but one that's on the air show circuit so it may not be historically correct. Unsure about the motors and the antenna...
The final investigative report by the NTSB ruled that The B-25 crash was due to pilot error! So SAD!
Sorry for your lost. Yet another reason I prefer the gassrs over the electric. electric is great with a parkflier, but beauties like this just see to me should be real engines. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Michael 😉👍!
Gassers are less reliable than electrics, so this is just a weird post. Also, what's so "real" about tiny two-strokes?
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Wow! Never thought my post would cause so many spines to rise! Certainly was not my intent! In no way did I think my post was " trolling" this video. I enjoy electric on the smaller sized models as much as anyone else. However in my opinion I prefer the big rigs to have gas engines as the sound is more realistic, and I have had much more reliable experience with the gas than the electric, of course your experence may vary. I enjoy all facets of the hobby and am actively involved from rubber freeflight to the new POV drones, and was sorry to see the lose of this beautifully built plane. Seems the art of friendly conversation has left us as keyboard warriors face no consequences for bitter rebukes. Anyways, I hope to someday fly with you all and have face to face enjoyable opinion exchange, and swap flying stories.
Absolutely awesome post Michael! Cheers to you my friend and happy landings 👍😎!
OH MY GOODNESS...the loss of a toy airplane, HOW TRAGIC!!!. Can I tell yuh about the Boeing 737 that just crashed in Africa and the loss of over one hundred real people...can I tell yuh about that??? Aks me if I give a big rat shit if someones toy nosed into the ground...go ahead, ask me.
Classy...
I like the video with a guilty feeling. I feel really sorry for the owner. You can’t build something as beautiful as this without putting a lot of yourself and your love into it. To crash it the first time out is heartbreaking.
Absolutely Lee! The upside is that she's being rebuilt and will fly again 👍😎!
Justwingit that’s brilliant news. It must have been absolutely gutting for owner to see this gorgeous plane fall out of the sky like that. I’m so happy she’s being rebuilt and will fly again so thank you for your reply 👍👍
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When you run out of aileron trim on an aircraft keep trying the rudder trim. Both in combination may MAY have resulted in a better outcome. It MAY not have gotten so far out. I am a multi=engine pilot and flight instructor of both full scale and rc aircraft. Was rudder trim attempted at all? A three minute flight seems very short for a 12 S 2s/2p battery setup. how many amps/watts were you drawing on each engine/speed control combo? My 96 inch P-38 would turn with just the rudders. Were you using aileron and rudder together? By sticks or by mix, either would be helpful?
Thanks so much for the very insightful comments Todd! I wasn't the pilot on the flight, just the videographer. I agree with you though, it should never have gotten that far out on maiden. She was rebuilt and flew again successfully the next year. The video is on my channel. All the best to you my friend and many happy landings!
@@JustwingitRC I know you're the video guy but I was hoping you'd forward my comments to the "PILOT" of record. I have viewed the follow on flight just now re the 2019 rebuild and test flight. It would be interesting to talk to or communicate with the "pilot" and go through his thought process. We can probably agree that he was a bit to far out for a new planes test flight, But If life hands you lemons...
@@JustwingitRC Is the plane still flyable? How many flight does it have on it today? 4-1-2023? No April fools jokes allowed.
@@toddanderson5378 Ah, I hear you brother. I'll see if I can get rhw pilot to chime in...
@@toddanderson5378 Hah! I believe it is, maybe she'll show up for this year's gathering...we'll see...
Pilot - " It just eventually stalled " . No , YOU eventually stalled the airplane .
Trimming and flying slow and low :(
Forget the final details. Bad luck that sucks. I’m sure you will be back soon with an even better plane, looking forward to seeing it.
Oh don't worry my friend, she's already been repaired and is back in the air! ruclips.net/video/haqPEr9L__U/видео.html&t 😎👍😁
Tough to watch. It was a “beautiful plane”. Always easy to Monday morning quarterback, but I wonder if wing loading calc. would have influenced a decision for a gear up belly landing in the desert ? Thanks for posting.
Range check ? my guess no
Friar Tuck That’ll pretty much cover the fly-bys 😂👍
A shame but there are times when the best thing to do with models as it is with full scale is just put the gear up and land where you are. Much less damage then the stall and spin that happened here. You cannot stretch the glide.
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what happens when your gear falls like it happened to me i belly landed my ultimate and made a few heads turn feweeks later found it hehe
That was what the military found out during WW2, that bare aluminum was best at camouflage because it reflected the sky.
Yup! MANY B-25's (and P-51's) were just left bare...and it worked very well! Cheers!
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I once covered a Chipmunk in aluminum Monokote.
She took off okay but then instantly disappeared!
So, now it's aluminum with red trim...lots of red trim!
That was sad to see. I'm building my first plane out of foam and building a few extra parts since it's so cheap and easy but that Michell was a work of art.
It sure is sad Bill! But, the good news is that this was eventually repaired (if you can believe it!) and has since flown again...all the best to you!
Pilot should be put back on a high wing trainer that flight was redicoulous. Nothing tragic about it....so many mistakes made resulting in a beautiful plane destroyed
Tapered wing aircraft coupled with high wing loading, stretching the glide like that says tip stall all over it.
@@Jetairplane that and he flew the aircraft almost out of sight and earshot camera couldn't even pick it up. Shame
That was a shame. Bad piloting. Never let that guy fly a real airplane! Yes. He let it fly away at full throttle. Lucky he got it close before he stalled it. Why did he still try to fly it when it got sluggish? Time to nose down and save it not try to do a pattern.
I would have flown my own airplane. Let someone who has no responsibility for it wreck it. That’s a big no. I would have taken my time. Planned. Tested how long the batteries last at full throttle with airplane static before I ever flew. BEC on a big plane like that? Not me. Always have a back up plan. A flight pack would have been useful. Always to a range check. Dude used up battery power in 60 seconds? Stay close until you know how to fly that plane.
Looked like he tried to trim the airplane as it flew away from him at full throttle. Fly the plane first. Check your balance. Adjust center of gravity. Fly again. Small steps. Stay close and keep some altitude. Gear down at first. Small steps. Then as you learn the Flight characteristics of the plane you can advance your skill and time in air.
HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER TOUCHED THE TRIM SWITCHES (OR DID HE NOT?) DURING DEAD STICK LANDING.
Timothy Bueschel I heard him trying to use the trim on the radio to save a stall. Not a wise decision.....
dont ya think triming it that low was a no go nice build though
You have my sympathies guys! Sometimes you got to wonder whether it's better not to put 100's of hours into a build but rather build something that is reasonable but simple and just enjoy the flights. I suppose for some, the fun IS building the plane. Good luck next time!
right,,, they all look good in the sky
Rebuilding from such a bad crash?? That's the sign of a true MODELER!
Absolutely! And Wade is a true modeler in every sense 👍😎!
That's a shame, beautiful bird, I thought I heard him say he had no power, looks like it nosed up for just a second then tip stalled.......
A shame for sure and yes...stalled her just a few feet from the runway...😢
First I'm sorry for this crash. Please let me say: The model is too heavy, because with that approach speed it should not have been a stall.
Thank you Josip 😁!
Not even close to too heavy! That’s a light build at what did he say? 27lbs!? I have 3 models at 80-90” size that are all over 27 lbs single engine planes. The Corsair is 39 lbs and flies amazing! 25’s are notorious for tip stalls. They need to fly not glide.
I agree...I think it's actually pretty light for a Ziroli, especially a big twin like the B-25...😎!
Sad day... but looking forward to see it back in the air...
Absolutely, but she has been repaired and has flown again at St. George 😎👍😁
@@JustwingitRC Great news! :o)
So many of these increadable models crash on maiden flights. Not nearly enough testing. Weight/balance issues, servo failes and over stressing the airframe seem to cause a lot of them. Low air speed and attempted arobatics close to the ground is not a good idea for these. In a real airplane, you can feel the control pressures and what the plane is feeling. On the ground, you can't.
Completely agree with you my friend!
That's the thing about RC flying... if you're not willing to accept the possibility of crashing a plane, you're not ready to fly it yet. There's always that possibility that this will be the last time you see it in one piece, or at all.
Sage words....👍😎!
It happens, they just get heavier after each repair.
The pilot 🤷♂️
@@Anony_mutt yep, from the beer between the patching!
@@icorezx14r beer is for losers and Homer Simpson 🤷♂️
@@Anony_mutt That's awesome cause my real name is Homer and I'm the World's Greatest Loser. Keep it Real!
@@icorezx14r all I'm saying is that Alcohol deludes yer essential nature 🤔💞
as a pilot I was crushed when that beauriful bird went down. I hope the recovery goes well.
Awesome
I liked the video ... the place where you fly is excellent ... sorry for the B-25 ... it was beautiful ...
Thanks Wellington! All the best!
So bloody TRAGIC....it is an r/c plane...just costly...NOT tragic
Definition of the word "Tragic" from Merriam-Websters: regrettably serious or unpleasant: deplorable, lamentable...I think all those words fit this situation...🤔
(whimper)
Indeed...
maybe I missed it, but did you all do a range check? control surface check,?? run up check?
That was all done before the taxi out; I didn't get that part on video...
Is the 4 second reset an ESC function or the radio's function?
Not entirely sure my friend. If the ESC hit low voltage it could be the ESC that has to reset. Otherwise, the radio and receiver would have to rebind after loss of voltage. Either way, it's a bad day...