Contentious interview with Professor Rashid Khalidi on the Hamas Conflict.
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2023
- Columbia professor Khalidi felt this interview was an "ambush." You be the judge.
We discuss all matters Palestine.
*Two clarifications: 1. I think we talked past each other a bit on the issue of "indigenous people." I wish I had that part to do over. 2. He said the Israelis were killed in "settlements," he didn't use the word "settlers". I don't really think there's a difference though.
00:00:19: Ambushed?
00:09:52 The Hospital "Strike"
00:14:13 False Casualty Counts?
00:23:00 Has Israel Really Targeted Hospitals Before?
00:25:00 Does Hamas Use Human Shields?
00:34:00 Is International Law Used To Control the Oppressed?
00:44:02 Is Israel A White Settler Colony, Indigenous, or Both
00:51:00 Solutions? One State? Two States?
01:09:04 Were the Israelis Killed on "Settlements?"
Order his book: "The Hundred Years' War on Palestine".
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Clearly a hostile interview. Seems like the host spent more time looking for some sort of gotcha to try and discredit his guest than actually trying to conduct an interview in good faith with a guest he disagrees with…. Prof. Khalidi did very well imo
Good comment. Why invite a scholar and then provoke him with loaded questions at the beginning? I find the questioning of numbers killed so offensive when over two million people and all their friends, relatives and sympathisers are completely traumatised, that I had to turn off.
Agree. Unwatchable. What a pity to miss the opportunity to talk to the professor around his research and understanding of the broader historical picture. Failed attempt at character assasination.
They did the same thing with professor Finkelstein. It's shameful!
@@clorofilaazulyes I just watched that. Both this chap and Finklestein remain balanced in their replies and the host is entirely focussed on proving his own bias. Definitely an agenda of ambush. Naom's introduction repeating he found the ambush claim perplexing is disingenuous. Not sure there is any benefit in Naoms interviews other than propagating Israeli propaganda, he most certainly is not in search of truth and fact.
Funny. I do respect your opinion. But I got something very different out of this. I thought they were asking some legitimate questions. The host clearly admit that they're not experts on this subject they want some clarification and information from this guy and he response like he's being under attack. Maybe we're both biased and coming at this from different angles. But I can see why you would think that way
I feel sorry for Professor Rashid Khalidi. It's like a conversation between a professor and a pre-schooler.
They did the same thing with professor Finkelstein. It's shameful!
Honestly, this reminds me of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". These guys who are interviewing are just so so stupid. I would honestly prefer to watch Fox.
they went in afterward to give a casualty count of 50 to the hospital bombing, as if Khalidi hadn't explicitly stated he didn't know, that it was too early to tell, but never posted anything about their own narrative re Israel's "evidence" that turned out to be fake, per usual.
and I'm only 18m in, I'm sure I'm gonna get angry about this
They don't even understand that they are making the problem worse for their own people. They don't want to understand. They want to rewrite history.
The interviewers are coming from a place where they admit basically they're not experts on this subject and they brought him on to learn and when they ask him legitimate questions and clarifications his response is basically how dare you. That's the way it came off to me but I respect your point of view. And I'm not just blowing smoke
I think his feeling "ambushed" is valid. The professor was there to talk about the conflict, the host was there to talk about the professor, loaded up with video clips to confront him with and having biased takes on everything the professor said.
It doesn’t seem that they dredged up quotes from the prof’s distant past. They showed clips of him speaking over the past week or so. That’s not an ambush, but a continuation of an ongoing discussion in the public arena.
Clips of him talking about the conflict...therefore they were talking about the conflict.
Yes, exactly. @@samuelboucher1454
I'm just 21 minutes in and came here to say what the original commentator posted. The ambush is valid in my mind not only because the video clip of him talking was not shown in context but because of the number of pro Israel people around d the table: what is it? The host, the other dude and the producer to name just three debating with one pro Palestine. Plus, both host and other guest led their introductions and first question with the intimidating statement they were likely to disagree with the guest on video link. There is also the disadvantage for the chap on video link not being in the room, that makes even banal conversations difficult. Then there is the hidden agenda immediately revealed by the host to discredit the man on video link by way of the pre planned "proof" of things the man has said in the past. Without context which the man then tries to show the first clip is bombed. The hosts heavy reliance on semantics also reveals a bias.
This interview is a mess. For anyone interested in listening to a more structured conversation- the American Prestige podcast has a 6 part series going through the history of Palestine with Professor Khalidi. It’s much more helpful and less stressful to follow.
The host talks about an idyllic time at college when he could be free as a Jewish student to express his beliefs. However, when I was at Columbia I never felt free to even question the Israeli narrative on Palestine. That would be considered anti-Semitic, and, at a college with a significant percentage of Jewish students when I went, there was the risk of getting ostracized.
Exactly.
Also, no one EVER has a problem (and if you find one please point them out to me and others because that's a Nazi) with a person being Jewish, expressing their Jewish culture and religion. I actually welcome it!
He's equating Judaism the religion and Jewishness the ethnicity to Zionism the belief in the necessity of a Jewish ethnostate in Palestine. Two of those are controversially fine and no sane person should oppose or stop another person from expressing their identity as an ethnic Jewish person or a person actively practicing Judaism (or both). However, Zionism is a fascist, right wing, murder death cult. It is exactly equivalent to Nazism in many ways. It is equivalent to white nationalism or belief in.. whatever else. Japanese supremacy over Koreans and shit like that. It is GROSS it is a supremacist viewpoint and worst of all, due to the United States, it has actual power behind it. That is the difference between any sort of Arab or black or whatever supremacy thought (which is rare anyway) and Zionism. Zionists have power. And no, to any anti-Semites waiting to pounce, they do not have power due to whatever Nazi shit you might be thinking, but simply because the US finds Israel to be in its interests to support, to divide the Middle East and prevent Arab solidarity such like the EU has and US and Canada have. So they created Israel, put it in Palestine for arbitrary and ret-conned reasons, and now support Israel unconditionally forever to continue the divisions from which the US profits. This is easy stuff! And has nothing to do with a guy at college being Jewish. It has everything to do with him wearing a fucking shirt that says, to modt of the world, "I like to genocide Arabs."
I've said this before. It's white supremacy with another wrapper around it. Because white Jews believe that they are the only Jews and really want to have a revision of history about where Judaism comes from. It comes from Africa, Jews were being exiled from egypt egypt is in Africa.
@@NoName-lq6vw I see you’ve never read the Quran.
And now SJP is banned there!
@@r_bearI didn't realize that. It says they were just suspended at Columbia. Gotta read more!
I dont know why Khalidi would go on with these grade-A morons. Particularly that one guy who wouldnt stop going on about the hospital. Was like talking to a drunk in a bar.
It was painful to listen to. Despite people thinking he was rude, I think he was too nice.
yes
The part where the interviewer says he "finds hard to believe" that the professor doesn't know where Hamas hides its operations, implying poorly that he is in the know with a terrorist organisation. Classy. The whole purpose of your recorded introduction is to present yourself as more dignified than you actually were.
These people are hypocrites. They have been crying for 1400 civilians , who became 1200 and then 2/3rd were military for 45 days, but keep ignoring 12000+ deaths out of whom 5000+ are little babies. Who have survived are displaced, with no home food or water. Some of whom have no limbs. Most of them lost whole or part of their families. Palestinians have no past present or future and these idiots are still trying to condemn Oct 7th attacks. When almost every Pro palestine person said we condemn innocent lives lost. Shameful hateful racist bigoted. It's sad sad sad
Nailed it
Agreed. Sad and disheartening.
He was crystal clear on why he said that, both in literal terms and in implication. The implication was that there was publicly available evidence that Hamas was running military operations out of hospitals, so for an expert to not be aware of this publicly available evidence was hard to believe. To remove any doubt about what information Khalid should have in answering the question, he then PLAYED the exact videos of the Hamas spokespeople. This was the info he was referring to, not some inside operation of Hamas he was privvy to.
This is also not an obtuse question to ask whether he thinks it's possible that Hamas has military operations under a hospital. It is the main justification from Israeli leadership and the IDF on why they bomb hospitals. The answer to this question matters. To say "I have no idea" and then make moral judgments about either side in the conflict is clearly dishonest.
if he had left after that, i couldn’t blame him
As a Christian priest and a physician who is neither Jew nor Palestinian, I found this interview hostile and very sad. I will have to look elsewhere for an honest and reflective Israeli view of the current situation.
really? the shrug when noam read what hamas wants to do with the jews didn't tell you whats going on here?
ok, well, benny morris is the best ive heard on the issue. critical of both sides.
Absolutely! They did the same thing with professor Finkelstein. It's shameful!
I'm an atheist. This channel seems to be shameless.
As a person, I found the interview productive and a good pushback to many of the professor's claims.
Exactly what I mentioned in my note 2 mins ago.
@@ReapersBeware if you don't want people questioned, I'm not sure what to tell you.
Might read the charter of Hamas
30:00 the host misquotes the guest again. The guest specifically said it WAS possible that hamas had tunnels under hospitals but that he didn't KNOW it to be true. And now the host repeats this back to him but incorrectly. He has done this several times. Perhaps he doesn't even realise he's doing it! It's v annoying and I'm not surprised the guest gets frustrated.
In every undergrad introductory course, there's always this one guy who clearly did not do the reading who is convinced that the classroom is a stage for him to one-up the professor and monopolizes the whole session interrupting and frustrating the professor. This is what happens when that guy grows old without an ounce of self-awareness.
This could not be more spot on
Dude spot on
And there’s a bunch of them all in the same room
Bang on. Every class has one.
Perfect comparison
You guys didn’t talk about the war you just attacked the guy on his words…
They did the same thing with professor Finkelstein. It's shameful!
@@clorofilaazul I saw that too…
😂😂😂
Not a healthy debate at least
You cannot invite someone to discuss with you when you already have a list of “gotcha” questions lined up that you go out of your way to set up. This is a bad faith engagement and watching this host do this over and over again to scholars that are so brilliant is outrageous. There is nothing to be learned here, no perspectives to be shared. These people deliberately set up their guests with a line of nonsensical reasoning to bait them into being fed up. These are not your buddies that are going to humor your silly thoughts-these are scholars that assess both macro and micro social structures, that are able to assess historical trends and the precedents they set up . Being hell bent on every single little detail means that you never get to make connections outside of your perspective, means that you are doomed to intellectual death. Wow wow wow. What a depressing ouroboros like way of living.
I don't like how Noam talked to Rashid. Rashid is a very well known respected American professor (Palestinian background) who just happens to believe the Palestinians deserve a better deal. He's given his life to know the details on both sides and at times to be very actively involved in working with senior people close to negotiations. I think it's long overdue to resolve this issue but I think there are huge hurdles to get over. I also didn't like Noam's body language slouching while talking to a well dressed very well educated man who is exhausted going from interview to interview since October 7 shook the world. I also think the very least an interviewer should do is read at least one book their guest has written, before the interview begins. I'm not taking sides. I want both Israelis and Palestinians (who aren't all Moslems) to resolve this and live in peace. But I do want Hamas out of the picture as one of the conditions that Israel insists on, and I'd like even a token effort to have some of the West Bank settlers homes vacated to give to even a few Palestinians. I know, it's just a token, but it might go a long way to help the healing.
You had the opportunity to have a serious conversation with one of the most prominent professors on the Israel-Palestine conflict and instead you question him with what sounds like Israeli government talking points. Your questioning was also borderline racist by suggesting that Dr Khalidi would know where Hamas' military installations are. Why would he know? Because he's Palestinian and they're all in cahoots? You should all be embarrassed.
Noam was essentially cross-examining the guy. (He's a non-practicing lawyer.) He wasn't really suggesting that Khalidi would know where Hamas' military installations are, but rather insisting Khalidi remain agnostic on the issue of Israeli 'war crimes' given how likely it is they are positioned under schools, hospitals, etc.
What are you talking about? Everything about rashid khalidi is a lie.
His reason for believing Hamas casualty numbers was that he knew people in Hamas lol
As an indigenous person listening to you guys try to understand settler colonialism and what being indigenous means is making my head explode.
Perez? Indigenous? Maybe in Spain. Anywhere else means you are certainly the PRODUCT of colonialism.
They now actually have me confused. What does it mean?
@@Tesla_Death_Ray Settler colonial societies are based on sending settlers to an area, displacing the indigenous people there and building a new society on the stolen land. That's why it doesn't matter whether Jewish people have religious or ethnic ties to the area, it's still a settler colonial state built on expelling the people who already lived there (mostly in the 1948 Nakba). Early Zionist leaders were very open about Israel being a colonial project, because it wasn't seen as a bad thing at the time. Herzl even contacted Cecil Rhodes of South Africa for advice on how to proceed.
Other examples of settler colonialism are pretty common, including North America (justified through Manifest Destiny), Australia, Japanese occupation of Korea, and many examples in the scramble for Africa including Algeria under France and the Belgian Congo.
The thing that makes Israel/Palestine interesting is that it's a relatively new settler colony state. America basically genocided the native Americans long ago, but that process is currently ongoing in Palestine. The situation in the West Bank is probably the best example, just look at a map of how the area has been divided by Israeli settlements, making the creation of a Palestinian state there basically impossible.
@Ssalamanderr What makes the Palestinians situation even more precarious than for black South Africans (my father lived as one during their apartheid era), is at least blacks in South Africa were necessary to the government for a labor force. Israel has no stake in Palestinians. West Bank expulsions cost them nothing. Hamas attacks gift them bonus pretext for opportunities to "mow the lawn" by flattening Gaza.
@@Ssalamanderr all areas are settler colonialism then
i feel sorry for the professor. the amount of bs he has to push through is astonishing.
Yes, but he looked as good as he is
What a pity he has to answer questions. We should just rubber stamp what he says.
@@izzykhach lol. thank you. good lord, the cope here
They did the same thing with professor Finkelstein. It's shameful!
@@clorofilaazul if you thought that was shameful, maybe the problem isn't with the interviewers
This is the second interview where I’m seeing a guest that happens to disagree with Israel get bum-rushed with pre-selected video clips and presumably having received no equivalent opportunity.
And even with their disingenuous editing skills, these guys once again make themselves look like the clowns they are paid to be. Why invite well informed intellectuals on, just to argue in bad faith?
Are they paid shills? Delusional true-believers in the apartheid cause? Or do they like looking like fools in front of the public because they have a humiliation fetish? Sound off in the comments.
This was a comically poorly conducted interview. Noam seems like he needed to go to sleep. And, if I were Khalidi, I'd probably have even less patience.
the professor’s right. this interview was an ambush. it felt like an interrogarion rather than a discussion.
I'm shocked that Professor Khalidi even wasted his time. I want to know who set this up. This whole channel is pathetic. Comedy? Yea, stick with the comedy thing and let the grown ups with knowledge and who are capable of genuine discussion handle this. They're ridiculous.
Ambush? Asking an expert about his field of study is an ambush? I was raised by an expert in his field, and he wouldn't have considered relevant qnd pertinent questions about his life's work as an ambush. That would be kinda pathetic.
You said "this"
I didn't say "that"
Roll the clip
The guy is intellectually dishonest. The whole world knows Hamas uses tunnels and has known this for decades but the expwrr on the subject just can't figure it out? BULL$#!+!!
"Interviews are designed to collect data and evaluate a subject's credibility in a non-accusatory manner, often to gather circumstantial evidence. On the other hand, interrogations aim to: Verify already gathered information. Reveal the truth in a more structured and sometimes confrontational environment"
No wonder it felt like an interrogation. He was talking to people who actually challenged his non-sense. Softballs only in an interview us a sure fire way to never get any where.
Dear Prof. Khalidi, we have a term in my language: ROTZLÖFFEL = uneducated child. And you are dealing with "uneducated children". For me, the situation in Israel is far too serious to talk about it like that. I was born in Nuremberg in 1939 and was exposed to the bombings and emotionally I am with the Israelites and also with Palestinians.
It can be interpreted as meaning a cheeky brat. How's your health?
Why interview someone like this, this was so unprofessional. 🤷♂️ If you're gonna have a guest on at least be courteous enough to allow him to explain himself and not speak over him. Also why bagger him with questions about his personal opinion, how about you speak about the facts. You people clearly lack shame 😒
This was painful to watch. "Here's my long intro so you dont think I'm a douche..." No intro could wash this entitlement and incredible disrespect away. I'm amazed that the professor stayed so composed. Noam's mom must have been mortified at his behavior.
Thank you!!! Soon as I saw that intro disclaimer I knew it'd be a mess ,he was trying to prime ppl to somehow agree with all their bullshit
The guest is so well mannered👍
Great logical arguments he made too.
But it's for the real intelligent and the unbiased minds.
Did any of you actually read Rashid Khalidi’s work before the interview? It didnt seem that way
I think you know the answer to that, haha. There is no way these guys read a book.
Frankly embarrassed for you, professor Khalidi was perfectly within his rights to feel insulted by the time he wasted on this frivolous program.
"What do you mean by "indigenous"?" How about not having moved there within the past 70 years? Prof Khalidi is right: it was an ambush. But worse. The questions are not only biased, but lazy and dimwitted. The host spends more time trying to catch Khalidi in a word trap than to actually understand his argument.
"Indigenous: Being a member of the original inhabitants of a particular place." Arabs didn't arrive until the 7th century.
@@DrAnac-qh5dc OK, so still 1300 years before European Jews started moving there.
@@DrAnac-qh5dchuh, strange that none of the jewish people who were removed then are still alive, yet out of 750k Palestinians violently removed from their homes in 1948 there are still some alive…. Weird that some people think one group has a better claim to the land than the other…
@@face_laid_waste408Still indigenous Jews were there 8 centuries before the Muslim invaders. BTW most of the “native” Palestinians immigrated to Israel in the 1930’s and 1940’s from Egypt and Syria.
@@face_laid_waste408 indigeneity can actually be more subjective than people think. Is an African American indigenous to west Africa even though their ancestors may have been forcibly brought to the U.S 300-400 years ago? Are Irish-Americans indigenous to Ireland?
I'm not especially aligned with Professor Khalidis viewpoints myself, but I have read some of his books and have listened to several of his lectures. He is a man of integrity, knowledge and persistence. The hosts of this podcast were unfairly hostile towards him from the outset.
I appreciate that. It was hard to watch, Khalidi v respectfully told them they were being offensive early on, and they proceeded to sink progressively lower as the interview dragged on. I'm amazed he stuck around for as long as he did. And I was hoping to see someone who feels differently than he about the situation call it out. Shows real integrity. thx again
The professor is smug and self-righteous. He gives me the creeps. He is a lousy voice for his views and does the Arabs no favors by professing to be their advocate because he is yechy.
Bravo
@@MisterTea123 Is the Bravo you wrote against my criticism of the professor or are you agreeing with the filmmakers.
felt bad for the Professor to go through this circus instead of an honest question answer.
Trying to nail Khalidi for saying that the Israeli casualty numbers are inflated only for Israel to admit that the casualty amount was less than they initially reported is not a good look.
The professor did a great job, particularly when you consider it was three to one. There’s an audio version of his book, The 100 year war on RUclips, which is very informative.
ruclips.net/video/QnnYEZxvwwY/видео.html
Fantastic book!
What a stupid question,does he know where the Hamas tunnels are🤦🏿
And the stunned look when he said he didn't know where the tunnels were. Now I understand why it's a comedy cellar😅
Prof Rashid Khalidi is a well known person, he is fair and factual where as these people are viciously trying to prove him wrong. Prof Khalidi is way above their intellect.
Too obvious. I would have also been frustrated and felt sabotaged with their clickbaity engagement
Omg same as with Norman finkelstein. The host needs to get educated. I would never want to participant in his show. Good job Rashid Khalidi
I disagree, even though I’m very sympathetic to the Palestinians. I think the host is pretty open-minded, and that Khalidi could have done better making some of his points. For example, he could have ended the debate about who was indigenous and who wasn’t by saying, “The indigenous people were the ones who had their homes taken away by newly-arrived Jews in 1948!” I was frustrated by both sides on that topic. Overall, I find this Noam guy much more open-minded and fair than the vast majority of people out there defending Israel, or trying to, lol.
how you can listen to thisinterview and say that is beyond me. He was absolutely insincere. He doesnt know that hamas is using tunnels below the hospital? he claimed ignorance even after they played him the tape.
Totally agree. You and I might be on opposite sides of the debate but I think we can both appreciate that Noam gives voice - and plenty of it - to people who believe very differently from him.
this is the most inane, willful obtuseness about really basic-and as far as i’m concerned uncontroversial-things khalidi has said. i wanted to tear my eyelids off listening to the opening line of questioning here. total waste of what could have been an edifying and substantive discussion
“So what you said was?” After nearly every point the professor makes. Total hit piece
As they say, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".
Interviewers are acting like police interrogating a suspect. They should let their guest speak!
1:03:59 Host: "there couldn't be anybody who knows less about what he's about to say than I do". Rare moment of self-awareness.
I agree with Khalidi, it was an ambush by bullies.
What question was an "ambush".
@@comedycellarclipsall of it
@@comedycellarclips You guys seem to want him to stand in as a generic "pro-Palestine" robot and repeatedly insist he *must* believe X or Y point that you want to rebut, it's embarrassing.
@@comedycellarclipsWell if you think this is about the questions alone it shows you really have some work cut out for you. The questions are rude and irrelevant, and you don't listen to the answers. Plus you just don't talk to people like you three did, especially not somebody of his standing who is kind enough to appear on your show. If you don't sense this, I don't know if you need therapy or you just don't have the civility or intelligence to be talking to guests like this.
@@comedycellarclipsyou guys tried to beat a dead horse and it’s fucking dead obtuse hypothetical
Respect to Professor Khalida for calling out the BS from the interviewers. You guys positioned this as an interview, but approached it as an attack and debate. Pls stop having these convos if you aren’t going to hear their insight via their scholarship and extensive literature.
I'm 25 minutes in and it is definitely confrontational.
A very telling interview - reflects the hostility/arrogance on one side vs the truth/dignity of the other.
Prof Khalidi very professional and telling the truth.
any proof?
He wasn't at Camp David in 2000 but according to him it wasn't a good deal. More intellectual gymnastics and make it up as he goes.
@@alexplotkin3368 You didn't have to be at Camp David to know it was a bad deal for Palestinians. What an absolutely asinine comment.
Found your line of questioning very frustrating. Much like the "it's either Yes or No" questioning of a witness by Congresspersons with great hopes that they will be in multiple sound bites the next day for cornering the witness into telling the "truth". His logical explanations of his positions were very clear, but your agenda, while not to kill him, was to aim for the knees.
The interviewer seems very frustrated and trying to prove moot points. His explanation at the beginning of the cast.
A crash course on the difference between people that just follow the news cycle and scholars that read and study.
These guys were absolutely horrible to Professor Khalidi. I’m horrified at these ridiculous questions.
Straight up ambush!!!! Proof that ignorance and arrogance is not bliss!!!
Great respect to the Prof. Such restraint and calm in the face of stupidity.
The professor was well in his rights to be pissed off.
They did the same thing with professor Finkelstein. It's shameful!
I looked forward to a Rashid Khalidi interview, but was disappointed because of the interviewers. Regardless of their opinions, they were impatient, interrupted him, misunderstood him. Felt a little bit embarrassing.
The professor is a smug Hamas apologist. The others are not professional apologists. Although the professor was the one being interviewed, as the "pro" he shouldn't have been such a jerkoff.
I think I just became a huge fan of Khalidi after this, and I’m about to read his book. Clearly he’s dealing with these issues with ALL perspectives in mind, while everyone else in this podcast was basing everything on the ONE perspective, being western media. It sucks realizing the US has their own fun little propaganda campaigns full of lies just like the rest of the world. Once you realize that, you start seeing it all over the place. Hopefully this conversation helped expose it.
Watch him and Roger Cohen teaming up debating another couple of debaters on whether the U.S. should ease on the "special" relationship with israel or not.
They won.
Hes a beheaded baby truther
I have two of his book. Khalidi is absolutely brilliant. These two interviewers are apologists for Israeli apartheid and ethnic cleansing.
19:24 indeed, now that Israel has published the names of the people killed in the al-Qassam attack, we've since learned that half were IDF soldiers, not civilians. And as he said, there was no need to inflate, say, 700 to 1400, because it's qualitatively the same war crime, just as killing 10,000 civilians and killing 9,000 civilians is qualitatively the same war crime.
Sure but that does NOT excuse murder or RAPE
@@user-rs8yx2hy8w There was no rape.
I don't think you've matured past the Israel myth you were told as a child. I've noticed theres this desire among many American Jews especially from the east coast to maintain the Israel myth they were told as children. And that was a soft ambush as you had the attitude of a toddler and were trying to discredit first and understand after and were likewise taking a kind of pride in attempting to undermine prof Khalidis points.
Israel myth??? Israel is a western country in a hell hole of a region. This matters. The myth of Israel? Every Arab including in Hamas wants Israeli citizenship. I feel for the Palestinian citizens, however, there government and other Arab regimes repulse me and I pray for them that will modernize. Your myth is that all governments are equal. If you don't like Israel's leaders, push them and demand of them and they will be voted out
The professor is entirely right, the tone and lines of questioning were hostile and more like you were cross-examining him or worse still interrogating him. Then you "cut in" video later to bolster your "arguments"- like the one about the "latest figures" at Al- Ahli Arab Hospital, which vastly undercut what he says. What was your point in doing that other than to discredit the Palestinian account of the incident? There are still conflicting figures to this day. You vociferously defend Israel on this point and since this video Israel has gone on to systematically attack every hospital in Northern Gaza most recently the Al-Shifa hospital.
This brings me on to another of your bad faith questions, why on earth would you ask him if he knew if Hamas had underground military facilities under the hospitals? Despite occupying the Al-Shifa hospital for 2 days at the time of writing no sprawling underground tunnel network or command and control centre was found despite Israel's claim to certain knowledge and cartoon video showing the multi-storey network. Despite their claims to know exactly where the tunnels joined the hospital, they have even said they need further time - why would this be necessary in view of the supposed intelligence they had? What did they "find" a handful of rusty rifles, likely planted there for the photo-op. Israel has long and well-documented track record of mendacity. Your tribalism on this issue is an absolute embarrassment and you should be ashamed of yourselves. The entire purpose of the video was to provide ideological cover for the ongoing genocide of a largely child population.
Also the Israeli, numbers of 1400 were in fact exaggerated and have since been revised to 1200 by the Israeli state though independent journalists have claimed even lower total figures. Of these 322 were not civilians (278 soldiers and 44 police). There is also a massive question mark over how many of the civilians were killed by the IDF in mortar shelling and air strikes in the initial panic.
Noam you were also rude, condescending and belligerent in your tone, "Don't accuse me of propaganda, I have you on as a guest..." - that takes some chutzpah from someone regurgitating nothing but Israeli hasbara.
christ, Noam is super thick. Its hard to tell if he really doesn't understand or if he willfully misunderstands so many of Rahid's very reasonable points.
I genuinely think his ignorance is a tactic he uses. He did the same thing when he tried to derail Norman Finkelstein’s devastating overview of the living conditions in Gaza by not knowing what “density” meant.
What an obnoxious interviewer. By insisting that the professor should know whether schools and hospitals in Palestine are harbouring underground tunnels with Hamas in them, he’s suggesting that the professor has inside information about Hamas, or implying that he is part of Hamas. This is a totally racist remark - good on the professor for pointing out to the interviewer that he himself, as a US citizen, would not know where most US military installations are in his country as well. But that flew way above the interviewer’s head!
The repeated cutting in and speaking over disallowing the professor to make his point was also very disrespectful and exasperating. I’ve lost respect for these interviewers who in the process of this interview show themselves to be one-sided, ignorant and racist people who do not care to listen to the other side, and are only interested in scoring points, and are ultimately unempathetic and thick-headed, who still probably think themselves smart and correct.
Stop calling this an interview. The host isn't capable of conducting a fair interview. His bias is overwhelming. Call it a confrontation rather than an interview.
I don't see it as a hostile interview. I think dr Khalidi caved in and was acting from a defensive territory. I wish he was more prepared to counter their claims.
@@arabest100every juice thinks like you its only right juices stick together eh¿
@@arabest100 He caved in on what???
He came on expecting to talk about Israel/Palestine and instead he had to defend past statements. It's clear the interviewers spent more time researching his quotes that can be perceived as objectionable rather than researching the actual subject. It's clear watching this that the goal wasn't to further explore the subject matter and come to a place of greater understanding, but to paint Dr. Khalidi in a certain negative light. That's why he felt ambushed.
40:34 example of bad faith, Khalidi have been explaining for 5min why he thinks killing civilians is a terrible idea for Palestinians morally, legally and politically and Noam manages to interject " for propaganda reasons" painting a different picture of what he's actually saying. Anyway the second half of the interview was considerably better after the gotcha questions frequency went down and they could talk about the conflict and the context and history of it.
Yeah, it softened up a bit half way through ... but the first bit was indeed a bit "ambushy" with the way clips were employed to try to trip Khalidi up, and ambiguous wording was often given the least-generous reading.
What was the purpose of this interview? You guys invited Khalidi on the show and I would have thought you’d ask for his analysis or prepared serious questions. Instead you wasted time aggressively asking”who do you think bombed Al Ahli hospital?” or do you trust the Gaza Ministry of Health, etc etc. Khalidi answered the questions honestly and respectfully, but you continued to repeat them…
This is my new prefered channel to learn how to debate in bad faith and how to gaslight.
More like an Interrogation than debate or discussion. What a shame.
God bless dr. Khalidi for keeping his cool while trying to explain the obvious.
Guy sounded really pissed off the whole time though lol.
Outsider here but khalidi did not come off very well here tbh
1:04:10 What did he explain that was so obvious? I think you need to learn more about how debates are tabulated/graded.
I thought he came off like a fool. His arguments are tenuously held together with an appeal to emotion above all else.
Yeah that doesn't hold up. Both sides believe in talking clouds and ghosts and they both appeal to emotion. So you are gonna have to pick a different logical fallacy to differentiate them.
This is what happens when an ignorant person talks to a learned person. Noam was just trying to gacha the professor .
Learned person? One-sided advocate who has learned how to pull the wool over your eyes. Whenever an expert speaks only from one side, his or her learnedness should be particularly suspect.
I'm right with Professor Khalidi at the 59.10 mark - the idiocy of the host really is astonishing.
After watching several of these Israeli-Arab debates, my only take away is that Noam must be an Arab sleeper agent whose mission is to make the Israeli side look as bad as possible.
ditto previous comment. The main inetrrogator is a bully, he lacks quality listening and debating skills. He comes from a point of view of "right fighting ." "I'm right, you're wrong." I feel embaraassed to see such a thoughtful and learned guest treated wirtrh utter diseespcet and appreciatation for who he is and for the thoughts he brings to the conversaion. One does not have to agree but to respond so arrogantly and argumentatively , well, I am deply disappointed.
this guy is so well well centred. tragic to see the pain this is causing on all peoples
These should not be debates comics should be hosting. Yet that’s where we are in this country. 😢
1. Yes, complete ambush. You wasted an hour plus with a historical scholar who could otherwise speak brilliantly about how we got to this point.
2. Gotcha bs questions to nail down a person’s bias is such a pointless thing to do when there’s a larger conflict taking place.
3. It’s like your whole objective was to nail down that the professor was biased. Sure, he was. But what’s the end goal of that.
You really should read more about this conflict before wasting your audience’s time and other guests’ time.
Which question was "gotcha"?
@@comedycellarclips i think in general playing past clips of this History professor from the last two weeks to show how he has stated things in the past that he isn't quite saying now is in very poor taste. He's palestinian-american so i wouldn't expect him to be heavily favorable to israel in the first few days of this conflict as the fear that Gaza is going to be brutally punished would be top of mind. Everything from Oct7 on has been a jarring, traumatizing event. and you showed he said things few days ago that didn't match what he was saying during your podcast, i think that's such a pointless thing to drive at and expose. He's not a political leader, or a decision-maker in the conflict. If you were doing this with a Biden administration or Israeli admin or Palestinian or Hamas spokesperson, it would be fair game. Frankly i found the the tone and the line of questioning just nasty, like you're hell bent on proving the other person is a liar and a "bad person". If you listen to this podcast again, you'll notice you did very little listening.
In general i think political conversations should be driving at where two viewpoints differ, and identifying the root causes of those differences, but if you start making the whole thing personal and petty it cheats the audience of a larger understanding of the issue.
(I'm not familiar with this podcast, but i noticed one of the guys hosting was a former Vice correspondent. I actually appreciated the questions and discussions he was posing. FWIW)
So he flipped his views on the use of war crimes in 3 days?
He attested to personal knowledge of the hospital casualties. Was he being honest?
1, Wrong. 2, Wrong. 3, Wrong.
Completely useless and uninformed questions from the hosts. "Israel and the US said they didn't bomb the hospital, so it's probably true" *ignoring the fact that Israel has indiscriminately killed 6000+ civilians. Just look at the pictures/videos, you DOLTS! Israel has completely leveled most if Gaza! Your ignorance is truly enraging. Have you no decency?
Please keep these videos coming. Between this and Finklestein you are doing justice for Palestinians.
lol not that these clowns know they’re doing justice for Palestine, these morons who were busy doing comedy for years ignoring Israeli daily systematic crimes because they don’t care about Palestinian lives now think things started on October 7th coming in with dimwit uninformed armchair arguments against a professor infinitely more educated than them on the matter who is clearly far more intelligent than them
I really haven’t seen anybody else make supporting Israel seem more indefensible. They are not serious people.
so true, this channel is a blessing for palestinians@@cuttlefist
You guys aren't used to talking to smart people huh?
Probably good they're in comedy because they're clowns
Whether you want to use the word “ambush” or not, it was definitely a bad faith interview in which you simply tried to criticize the guest rather than having any intellectual curiosity in listening to his position. Pretty pathetic really. Based on the general response to the video, seems like the majority agree with me on this.
If the professor says he doesn't know the answer to a question and is non-committal to numbers, specific events or info from anything other than specific sources, continuing to berate him on those points is a waste of time and unfair to him. It's needlessly argumentative. I'm half way through this interview and i don't feel like I'm learning anything.
I agree, and more disturbing was the fact that the questions were about what Hamas thought or something similar, which enhances the idea that Israelis see the whole Arab nations as terrorist to some extent. This was so hard to listen to just as was the Norman Finkelstein interrogation but I think someone should tell these guys that they’re coming across awfully. Noam has poor arguments and a lot of them!
Because he did and then tried to play hide the ball.
The little edited cut-in of the “recent” hospital casualties article is sickening. It’s only fifty people murdered! Endless ah-ha gotcha stuff from these people.
And their source is some unnamed “European intelligence source”. These people have 0 media literacy
Yeah the moment i saw that i had to hop into the comments... Really pathetic behaviour from these podcasters
@7:30: "I don't support people being fired for making statements"
30seconds later: "Fire the professors" for having educated opinions that I don't share 🤡
Professor Khalidi is a deeply informed, honest, and patient scholar deserving of more respect and thoughtful listening from the clearly biased interlocutors than hr received.
My god, what a terrible host. Him moderating the conversation with Finkelstein was so terrible to the point that Eli Lake had to ask him to let Finkelstein finish his point.
How did a comedy podcast turn into Zionist propaganda? Lol wild.
This is the most unprofessional interview I've ever seen. The interviewers should go back to their "cellar" and stay there. The line of questioning is so inane and pointless. They took quotes out of context by Khalidi and tried to use them to contradict him or cast aspersion on his character. Fortunately, Prof. Khalidi stayed on point and showed the interviewers what a bunch of clowns they are.
Noam did a good job dealing with the smug, obnoxious professor.
After watching, an ambush for sure.
I don't think the hosts realize they're not even arguing in good faith. They should really reflect on themselves.
The Hamas underground facilities under hospitals question was egregious.
Interviewer seems incredibly naive and bent on gotcha journalism.
That question about white settler colonies and if he considers US support "white solidarity" made my eyes roll so hard. I pray these guys read a book at some point.
I cannot watch these men trying to trap Professor and not accomplishing it and just repeating themselves over and over. Let him teach you since you are so ignorant. Let prof Khalidi teach you.
How embarrassing for Comedy Cellar.
It’s clear how biased the host is. Do better or at least don’t pretend to be some “unbiased moderator”
This is not an interview. It is an interrogation. Was Khalidi ambushed? Yes a group of people set out to prove that he is biased. Is he? Yes of course he has a point of view. Do the interrogators? Absolutely !!!
3 against 1? Bullies meeting information with hostile badgering.
Is the host suggesting in the intro that Prof. Khalidi should be fired? If not, please clarify. If so, yikes.
Despite some childish maneuvers here and there by the host particularly, I found this discussion informative and entertaining. Professor Khalidi really nailed it in my opinion and gave solid answers to questions and points put to him. Still would like to thank the host for putting this event. We people need to engage in talks regardless not to prove a point or win an argument but at least try and understand each others’ views.
Israel has repeatedly bombed hospitals. This one particular incident in question is just one of several. This “gotcha” line of questions was of zero value.
you are wrong.
@@user-cg1qq2er8x U r wrong. Israel has ALWAYS bombed hospitals whether in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt or Gaza.
Professor Khalidi thank you!
Thank you for being a smug nasty old man.
How did you even get Rashid Khalidi as a guest?
Someone should get this Professor on a panel with Bassem Youssef and Cenk Uygur to debate the Palestine situation. They would make a formidable trio! 😅
Thank you Professor Khalidi for going into the lion's den and telling the truth about Palestine
I can see why your guest felt like he was betrayed . ALL of the people asking questions had such a huge bias and a huge prejudice-- you can hear it in their voices; you can hear it in the questions that keep coming like bombs, at this very good man. I can no longer listen although I would love to have listened to your guest but the disgusting manner in which you INTERVIEW, using the word very loosely, is beyond the pale🤪
"You're used to talking to people who agree with you."
"No, I'm talking to the mainstream media."
"..."
This is probably one of the best pieces to come out of the current criticism on the subject. Definitely an ambush, but unsuccessful. After you watch Khalidi stretch his patience, as a great professor should, it ends in a way that makes the introduction worth rewatching. Calling for the firing of professors and presidents is deeply irresponsible and undemocratic -- democratic institutions need to be protected. Khalidi's mature peaceful stance becomes evident when he winds his way through numerous traps, refusing to take a side. This is a very difficult subject, which is why the violence persists. Much time was spent splitting hairs about the first hospital that was targeted. As of now, Christmas Day, the stories about the hospitals are gut wrenching. Many of us have wept, hearing the stories of great people end in death -- whole bloodlines erased. Will the West destroy international law in order to evade the charge of genocide? Intent is on record from the Israeli cabinet. Most of us are afraid of the lobbies and various think tanks that attempt to destroy people's careers. We are supposed to prevent ethnic cleansing, not label it retroactively. Ceasefire! For God's sake, enough is enough.
Much respect to the professor for maintaining his composure amongst these clowns 🤡
Channel 4 gave the audio to experts they said it was manipulated, 2 different bits of audio put together
Literally asked him if Hamas had tunnels under the hospital etc lol ..like bruh...how tf is he supposed to know? 😂🤦🏽♂️
One of the interviewers, if to be professional, could do with some training......The interviewee was attentive...thankyou
As a citizen of Australia i feel a great responsibility to access info ....given deep concerns
I cannot believe how inane and empty-headed these questions are