BIOS Lock Bypassed! Only the VRM has to survive 220W on this 65W Intel NUC
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
0:50 Ad
1:08 Intel NUC 12 Extreme
1:52 Disassembling the Cooler
3:45 The Connectivity
4:23 Which CPU might this be?
5:08 Doesn't matter, just upgrade
5:26 PCIe Riser Adapter Thingy
6:33 Installing RAM and SSD
6:45 And nothing happens
7:30 So lets just solder something on
8:29 And it works
9:00 BIOS & Power Consumption
10:00 Problems with clock speeds
11:32 So, overclocking?
12:10 CinebenchR20
12:56 Conclusion
14:17 Outro 
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We have one of those at the system integrator I work at. Its quite nice once you bypass the bios limitations. I used a tool called Throttlestop, normally used to overlock laptops, to overclock the NUC. I was able to get it onpar with a 12900K. The cpu that was in our NUC was an engineering sample provided by Intel. The code on it identifies it as a 12900 but its slower than a normal 12900 when you leave it stock. I believe its a low power variant like a 12900S/12900T or something else like that. We paired it with a 3060 Ti and it ran pretty well. The company owner didn't like it very much but over in the testing and rma department, we liked it a lot.
What is the stepping of your 12900 ES?
fact is, 12900k default behavior in bioses is to let them turbo forever until temperatures just can't sustain any further. 12900k has also been pushed way too far out of its efficiency zone
However, 12900k at stock limits isn't that hard to do with 12900(s/t) that have no power limit in the BIOS (a lot of boards have this that allows "overclocking" by just raising the power limit)
I might try throttlestop on the 12700F im building for a customer ;)
@@mauxie. doesn't matter if something is 20 years old, if it still works wonders, there's no reason to not use that
@@ardwivedi16 I'll have to check Monday when I get back in. I didn't have a chance today to grab the NUC from inventory.
@@mauxie. I have the most experience with Throttlestop when it comes to overclocking utilities in windows. I also don't like XTU very much.
I remember being young and sitting in amazement looking at a 486 "computer card".
Really cool to see a modern "high performance" version.
"i remember being young"
It's both funny and sad in a way
Yes please do a followup, would be interested to see what results you can achieve with this nuc. Great video as always
"Wouldnt it be nicer to have a 12900K in there?" lmaoo. love it.
The connector are for the NUC 11 Extreme case fan assembly and front IO connections
The PCIe Standard allows for multiple processor host to be on the bus. This might be able to be plugged into a regular PCIe slot.
great content, always excited to see what you are overclocking :D
Yeah! Followup video! You just made me discovered those NUC’s!
A watercooling company has to make a block for this.
Imagine the absolutely tiny but monstrously powerful system you can make that way
They already exist and are better and cheaper
@@riba2233 there is no option as small as the nuc.
DAN case is small but it's still double the size of the nuc.
The only comparable stuff are 100% custom and completely ridiculous time investments.
Maybe those are smaller than you'll ever want already and you don't care but that's not what i was talking about.
@@SquintyGears there are plenty, velka, sentr, dan case and lot of.other small manufacturers. Dan a4 sfx is actually smaller at 7.2L
yes, follow up would be even more intersting. looking forward to it. :)
congratulations, you are really good. In my opinion it would be cool if I brought a video on the iGPU over clock of the i5-12600K, (Intel UHD 770). now a lot of us have bought it and given the period of shortage of dedicated gpu such a solution would be miraculous for those who still do not have a dedicated gpu.
that iGPU if overclocked doesn't seem like it, but it's a monster. I have the i5-12600K and the integrated gpu makes me even 75 FPS stable on apex, absurd.
Definitely keen to see a followup video on this! The 12th gen is quite an interesting and mind blowing platform
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Why I read 220V instead of 220W and thought made sense? Great video roman!
Truly inspiring how much sheikh loves new technology
Follow video would be awesome!! Extremely interesting stuff here. Also RockIt cool Copper IHS Kit would nice to see on a video.
Cool video! Thanks!
im an English/ Spanish speaker and i didn't know you had a german channel, coincidentally Im also learning German although Im not the best it is super cool for me to watch and some what understand what you're saying in your German channel. Keep it up!
Seems that this NUC would be perfect with a 12600K or 12700K
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Mostly but intel said it won’t work with the other main CPU’s like the intel nuc 12900k or 12600k
I'd love to have one of these
Yes please, would like to see some more interesting cooling options!
Anyone else think these things are kind of a throwback to the old S100 bus computers? The main difference being instead of several cards hooked to the backplane to make a system it's only one or 2.
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Yes please, this has huge potential
Standard lga1700 socket and it works with a pcie riser and a power switch. You could do all kinds of crazy things with these. Imagine if these were supported as add-in cards and you could offload background tasks like rendering or streaming. It could also greatly extend the lifespan of cpus if you could pool system resources like that.
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These remind me heavily of the commell industrial pcs on a card , they've been making 'cards' like this for 10years+++ they're commonly used in industrial production lines.
I had a 'pc' in my workshop using a 2nd gen i5 for several years on a Commell 'card' and backplane salvaged from a scrapped production line.
Installing a computer inside your computer is the ultimate upgrade.
Yeah I would be interested in a follow up for this video. I would be interested to know what is the VRM power usage and how is the vapour chamber performance especially. It would be cool to be able to cool one of these passively or mostly passively
Definitely a follow up vid perlease!
Does direct soldering cables into the delivery system might work? So u can Oc the CPU or at least maintain higher clocks
Definitely want to see what it can do with more cooling.
Cool T-Shirt Jimmy
These NUCs are always engineering marvels they are so incredibly well made
I wonder if the washer mod on the faulty design Z690 ILM could also drop temps on this board as it seems to on all desktop boards. I got 15C but most get 5-10C drop!
I would love to see a follow-up video on this!
i am as always fascinated by how much smaller and more powerful the newer PCs are getting and I really want a smaller and more powerful PC instead of building a big desktop. it will be great to see what this NUC is capable ofand how much bigger it needs to become in order to work as a standalone PC
interesting cooling solutions, sounds like a custom water block, be interested in seeing what you come up with
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Nice to see this thing water cooled
Strap an aftermarket low profile cooler on it to keep the overall footprint low and try again. Should be fun to see what this thing can do
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What this needs, even if a little niche, is a video in to pass gpu video signal by thunderbolt 4. A mux may be annoying to add with a bios toggle, but would really bring this together as product.
Hey Der8auer! Greetings from Vancouver British Columbia Canada! Yes please for a follow up vid on the nuc! Thank you for the entertaining videos! Ride ride ride!
definitely we want follow up video
Nevermind, I found the PCIe Riser that was used in this video.
It's called JHH-Link Dock PCIe X16.
so very cool
It would be really cool to see if you could col with a nexxos 60x3 rad, and a ddc inline with a deshrouded brick. Could get an extremely small package at the end of the day.
Can someone explain the soldering part to me? Why was it necessary? It will not power on unless you solder a power switch to it? I don't understand. I want to use this in a different way but this part is stumping me.
Make sure you do a bios bump for "prosperity" in case something gets changed on the final release
Two thoughts:
1) This would be a really interesting way to power a couple of EGPU with those thunderbolt ports depending on the price of the NUC.
2) I'm very confused by the bottom male PCIE slot. Is it supposed to plug into a motherboard? Can it power a graphics card with a pcie turnaround? I've never even heard of a pcie turnaround. Very confused.
NUCs have other boards that are used for plugging the compute element into that provide additional expansion ie pcie.
@@forbiddenera oh interesting so just like how some machines carried their CPU on an ISA slot daughtercard
@@vladimirvparfenov3935 yeah serve the home has good videos on nucs m..
I want to see a build with custom watercooling heatsinks on these NUC's and as many as you can fit into one build.
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i want this compute unit in my 2nd X16 pciE slot as a secondary system....
What would be your pc parts if you were on a budget and want to do gromacs ligand protein simulations?
More please 🙏
A followup Would be Nice to See just What it can Do...!!..
What's the name of that PCIe X16 Riser with 24 Pins Adapter input?
intriguing 😶🌫
Make a full cover water block for it!
der8auer got a better overclock on that NUC than I can get on my 12700k..., but then again I run the E-cores at 4GHz and the P-Cores at 5GHz.
What's the one where measure the whole output of the system that has display in Watts outside the NUC? Is there a name to buy that?
Oh, you have to take it to the limit!
Not sure exactly what that cable is but one of the connections looked kinda like a USB internet header
I'd love to see a PCB breakdown of this. How efficient is this small VRM in order to power the 12900k without burning itself up?
Modern mofset have very similar efficiency and some of them they rated 90A
If looking at 90% efficiency , 220w will make 22w waste heat and that have to solve
Mofset will fine if the waste can remove on time and temp under control
mindblown
You should be able to ground the green power supply wire at any point along the harness to turn the PSU on. edit: Just noticed all the wires are black... :-\
@der8auer Could I put one of these 12th gen compute units and put it in my Nuc 9 extreme ?
What is the use case for the pcie slot form factor?
LMAO Roman the way you said "Wouldn't it be much nicer to have a 12900k in there" just killed me
tbh would be amazing if theese low power nuc could be plugged into a pci-e slot, and used as capture cards, or low power secondary pcs...
Would love to know if this works in the element 9 chassis
Jon Arbuckle & Garfield.
Too much resemblance!! 😁
where's nurmel lol and did the box come from abudabi :D
Will carbonaut work on these compute elements from AMD and Intel?
I'll never see these in real life so it'd be cool to have a follow up
a water block on the cpu and vrm would be killer on this
it would be interesting to take the "put a stupid fast fan on it" route to cool it. The device is so small it would be easy to isolate the noise by putting it outside the room its being used or even simple noise isolation could make server "style" cooling viable for every day use. Then again its not like overclocking is so i guess its kinda stupid.
does the new NUC motherboard work on other older NUCs?
Dual system setup with this seems interesting
I was wondering how this could be used as a tertiary PC in one of those e.g. Phanteks cases you can run two systems in. Yes please, more vid fettling this to do things it really shouldn't!
I have one of those dual system phanteks cases. Main system is mATX board with 9700k & 3060ti and the secondary is an ITX quad core xeon board that acts as an always-on linux router & services host. I like how it came out but if i had to do everything over i probably would have went for 2 separate smaller cases, just for practicality.
@@mikee9167 👍Tah for the input. I get you about the practicality; but I'd be doing it for the hell of it. YMMV
would love to see a mono block for the vrm+cpu...
Wow it's dense, would actually make for a nice studio machine where we need A LOT of pci-e cards but there are never any slots left without going full server motherboard but then it would still bring up some other issues and would cost a bit too much
If I remember correctly, you can buy any current spec motherboard and add PCI-e expansion slots because the spec allows for a cascading hierarchy like USB. You obviously need a taller PC case and a large power supply if the one you currently have is a bit weak.
OMG!! The Dragon Canyon is a BEAST!!! I would LOVE to see it liquid cooled FOR SURE!!! ESPECIALLY if you can fit it all back into the case!!! You should turn that thing into a HOT ROD!!!VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol :)
Def could make a custom monoblock for it and plug it into another system like the old one on steroids
What's the 1700 product you're speaking of?
It would be nice if they made the NUC accessible from the main system within the main system OS the same way you can have multiple desktops and switch between them
You can have something like that without the nuc with qemu and kvm. You can have multiple users on one pc at once
YeS! YeS! YeS! Please do follow-up with proper cooling!
Not sure if you still read this, but suggest to Intel to flip the components to the other side of the board. Then when it's in a backplane it can be back to back with a GPU so they can both breathe - and you can add proper cooling.
Please play with it more :)
Since non k oc is possible now, can a 12900 on h670 perform near as 12900k?
so using this cooler on the 12900k practiccally 33 percent performance loss from its max capability. sounds pretty awful 6900 compared to 10 some hundred. Do yyou think an n9i with 120mmx15mm slim fan or alpeföhn backridgedege with 92mmx25mm thick fan would perform better than this? want to build the smallest i9 rtx 3090 build that is possibly, with as much performance as possible while still being as small as possiblye, my card is fthe gigybeyte turbo 3090 of corse either msi or asus top z690 board and 700w flex atx psu with 40mmx25mm noctoa fan.
Just stick an Arctic liquid freezer 2 360 on there, it has a little fan that can cool the vrms.
An it be directly be connected to another PC via PCIe slot.
is it a mini pc or a super graphics card with a desktop processor???What is PCI Express for??sorry, I don’t speak English well, please explain what this device is for or what it is in general....I saw very powerful PCs on which they played, inside of them there were also mini PCs so that you could stream or do other things from them, it turned out that two PCs were assembled in one case
Weird that the riser didn't have provisions for powering the psu when it has a 24pin socket wth
werent for Intel NUCs being so expensive vs like an ITX or a laptop, I would have definitely owned or played with a NUC. additionally, it has cooling similar to a laptop, undervolting this is the best to get long term performance
Do a modified atmosphere subambient cooling.
So what are you supposed to plug it in to? If not a motherboard?
Intel has boards that have pcie slots and stuff.. boards that fit into cases specifically for nucs.. system integrators can make them too.. a full blown nuc is just one of these cards, a case and the pcie riser basically
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I haven't checked how the pci lanes are connected, but could disabling pci slots from the motherboard, allow this NUC to access them without ?racing?. So you can actually have 2x pcs with 2x GPUs on a single case?? @der8auer EN
They shouldve included larger dim slots for more upgradability
Definitely kind of cool but feels like a waste of a pcie slot to put it in another pc when they don't communicate. If you could have a switch that set the pcie to client and had 10gbnic or something thatd be nice. I'm not against putting it in a bigger chassis with another regular pc but I dunno about blocking an x16 slot.
if picmg backplanes weren't so expensive, this might be an interesting thing to get.
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Intel: thanks der8Bauer, the power limit is now fixed in Windows
xD
it would be awesome if u could install these into a PC so u could run multiple PCs in a single chassis
You can. You just have to tape off the data pins.
@@pearce05 oh yea? now that is interesting
Or u just buy a pcie backplane
This is just a sbc nothing new
I never understood why they didn't make laptop chassis that these things fit into.