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In this video I react to how US and UK cider mean completely different things. As someone who has always enjoyed a cold glass of apple cider, I had no idea our version of cider is not the same as British cider. So, if a Brit and I both asked for a glass of cider, they would expect hard cider, yet I would expect apple juice. I would have never guessed that such a simple drink could be so vastly different depending on the country you're in.
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In the UK, you can buy cider, or apple juice. Cider is an alcoholic drink, apple juice is just apple juice. Simple really.
Cider you buy in the shops is so much different from scrumpy cider the later is real strong you don't drink too much
Apple jack is anon disdeled spirit made by freezing the juice until you get down when there's no water and you have apple whiskey
It's really strong it's about 65 to 80 percent alcohol
So there you go send you PO box if there is any left I will send some
Crazy how we learnt to make cider In school, crazy as it sounds. Apple juice, yeast and let it stand for few days in a bottle/jar etc. No need for the name apple cider.
Don’t forget they now sell non alcoholic cider which I presume they do something to it to remove the alcohol.
Agreed I've had apple juice past best before and it never smells like cider I just threw it away.
Ive had cloudy apple juice in uk many times, then there is mulled cider, which is spiced, hot cider. So 4 types i know of.
In the UK, cider (alcoholic) is between 1.2% to about 8%.
However, scrumpy cider is about 12%.
After a few pints of this stuff you're walking around like Bambi on ice! 😂
Scrumpy is just "harsh" cider. The difference in the modern world is that Scrumpy is produced on a less industrial scale and probably has less processing. It is the Cider equivalent of local brewed beers
used to drink Triple Vintage cider in the early 80s, 99 pence per 2 litres @ 15% apv
@@georgebarnes8163 Bloody good, the original Coates stuff. Don't think it was quite that strong though. Up to 8% ABV, I would have thought? I got blitzed on it at my best mates housewarming back in the eighties.
Can't find an original Coates Triple Vintage 'photo on line to check, as they're gone now, just more modern versions from other cideries.
It was rocket fuel and banned from sale here in NI around the mid 80s, it was the perfect mix for a red witch
@@johnp8131
Henry Westons Vintage, 8.4% ABV. It's like drinking wine by the pint :-)
Steve, we have both apple cider and pear cider in the UK, pear cider is known as perry.
We also use the word Scrumpy, to describe a rough,sometimes cloudy cider that could be very potent. In rural areas you could sometimes buy it off the barrel, and it would render your legs useless very quickly.
In the UK we grow cider apples, dessert apples and cooking apples.👍
Very true. Scrumpy hits you like no other drink. It does things!!
@@philjones6054
Scrumpy in hot weather and you wake up in the bottom of a ditch somewhere.😂
I heard a Somerset cider maker say there are 3 types of cider, singing cider, dancing cider and fighting cider!🤣
Scrumpy is rough - it can take the polish off your furniture!
Scrumpy is proper hardcore and absolutely delicious. Higher tier compared to standard cider.
A few of my American friends have gone to a British pub and had a pint of cider not realising it is alcoholic and some can be very high in alcohol. I now know that my American friends and visitors must be warned that Cider is not just apple juice.
yeah hahah could be dangerous!
And a British pint is 25% larger than an American one, so again: exercise caution.
In the UK the unfiltered apple juice would be marketed as cloudy or pressed apple juice and the cheaper, filtered/clear one is just apple juice.
and dont forget scrumpy .. cloudy cider with a higher alcohol content
And to make it even more confusing, we have both Cloudy and Clear Alcoholic cider and even a non alcoholic cider which has had its alcohol removed
@@BARNEY_1337 🤪🤤🥴🤣🤣.
Same thing in Poland.
Same here in Germany ❣️
There is a story about an American mother who moved to the UK for work and gave her children Cider it was sometime before she realised why they kept acting strangely and falling asleep!
Wow...not even sure what to say about that haha
Cider, the nemesis of all UK teens.
From my experience, the cider we drank as teens had never even seen an apple ❄️⛄️
That's not cider! It's more brown paper bag in the local park, than apple orchard!
If beer/cider in the UK is cloudy we also refer to them as Hazy/Triple hazy , for beers its when beer finings( used to be made from fish, but mostly egg whites now) is not added to clear the beer, so the beers are hazy to cater for Vegans.
Pear cider also Rhubarb cider is really tasty
Cider was called, Pulse, white lightening or special red in my teens!!! 😂😂😂🙈
White lightening and Special red!! I feel sick just typing that! 😅
I was born and raised in the westcountry in England. This area is famous for cider. I absolutely love cider, it's my go to drink. A famous westcountry group called "The Wursels" even have a song called "I am a cider drinker".
We call some ciders "scrumpy". The act of theiving apples from other people's orchards or gardens is called "scrumping".
30%?! 😳
@@reactingtomyroots I have a feeling this might have been a reply to the wrong comment?
Scrumping of course! Such fun!
The Wurzels also did "Drink Up Thy Cider" and an EP called "Scrumpy & Western"
When I was in RAF we had an American lady serving in the cafe/bar she sold cider to cadets , with expected results.
Hi Steve. In my dim and misspent youth I went on holiday to the county of Somerset. "Scrumpy" is the name for the local (very) alchoholic cider made locally. I was in a pub ( drinking beer ) when a local came in and asked the barman for "a pint of oblivion please". I thought that was a cool name for a cider brand and looked in vain for the bottles or barrels bearing that name. In the end I asked the bar man and he said that referred to the local scrumpy and was meant literally. Apparently 2 pints, or more of the stuff would render your legs and powers of speech inoperative.
I grew up 3 miles from a cider factory in Devon and have drunk cider and scrumpy. I do like proper scrumpy and cider much more than wine.
I lived in Hereford. A few pubs served scrumpy, but it came with warnings and limits for new drinkers. I was served a half pint, for girlies. Before I finished the glass I became aware that the room was spinning. Potent stuff!
Many years ago, i brewed cider at home for the first time. Unbeknownst to me, my father had been adding additional sugar over a period of several weeks. One evening, I drank two pints of the stuff before going on to the pub. 'Oblivion' is an excellent word to describe the experience (that I only partially remember) 😂
Mixing scrumpy cider and barrelled sherry was the ruin, when I was in my late teens.
I grew up and live in Somerset. I drink cider all the time. My uncle used to brew it. Drink a lot of it you would soon be legless.
We have spiced ciders in the UK, traditionally served hot in the late Autumn/Winter. We call it 'Mulled Cider", similar to mulled wine. That tradition is probably why you've only come across a spiced pressed apple juice.
Mmmm, mulled cider on a cold winter day, delicious
Mulled cider, wine or beer.
We love them in Poland.
@@Zephyrus88PL Haven't had mulled ale for decades. I used to go to a pub near Lincoln that sold a stronger winter ale that we could add to and then heat with a red hot poker out of the fire.
Its delicious too
Was about to say the same, but you beat me to it! lol Mulled wine or cider is great!
As a Brit, yes, if it is non-alcoholic, I would call it “apple juice”. Alcoholic apple juice is “cider”, and then there is “scrumpy” 😊 Cider and scrumpy were the first alcoholic drinks I ever had as a teenager living in deepest, darkest Dorset.
Scrumpy was the downfall of many wrens and new matelots at RNAS Culdrose in the depths of Cornwall.
I had my first scrumpy as a newish Wren deep in Cornwall at RNAS Culdrose. Then a small place not like it is now.
Scrumpy is serious stuff …..quickly get ratted
I think you mean ZOIDER
I used to buy scrumpy or cider at the side of the road in Dorset. Lived in that county for 37 years.
Interestingly if an apple tree is grown from seed the apple variety isn't always the same as the parent tree, so apple trees need to be grafted, where you cut a branch off the parent tree and graft it onto a new rootstock, in fact using this method you can have one apple tree which grows several different varieties at the same time, because of this, the location of the very first Bramley apple tree ever is still known, it's at 75 Church Street, Southwell, Nottinghamshire and was sewn in 1809, it's known as the mother tree, Bramley is a very popular variety for pies, puddings and apple sauce in the UK.
I should add, due to the promiscuous nature of apple trees, if you eat an apple off a wild apple tree, there is a chance it's a new variety which no one else has ever tried before.
Just a note, one of the best ciders I've ever had was a Welsh cider I first had at Peterborough Beer festival. Think it's on permanently at a pub in Cambridge too? Black Dragon from Gwynt y Ddraig?
Very interesting. Love trees but never knew this. 👍🏴
Yep. I was very disappointed to discover that it was named after a bloke called Bramley who owned the cottage where it was grown - I live quite near a place called Bramley and always imaged it originated there.
The absolute best for making apples pies etc. Not a good idea to eat it though😂
I remember my father telling me that when he was in the Territorial Army in the early 50's they sometimes would go on an Annual camp to the South West of England . There they could drink a cider called Scrumpy, however they could only get a couple of half-pints at a time as it was deemed too strong for session drinking.
I agree we call that unfiltered apple juice "cloudy apple juice". It's usually more expensive than the clear stuff (which is almost always from concentrate) and may be single varietal, heritage, etc. We definitely get spiced versions, often with ginger.
Also, we do use the term "soft drink" to mean non-alcoholic, but we wouldn't use "hard" to mean alcoholic.
A very interesting video, thanks!
@proudofyourroots9575 are you talking about apple juice drink because i bearly see that (probs because its vile)
@proudofyourroots9575 I feel that not-from-concentrate is the more luxury end of the market and is quite a recent phenomenon. It's also pretty bad for the environment unless you're drinking juice from locally-sourced apples. What's really the point transporting all that extra water around the world?
@@mrsmith9597 Yes apple juice in Britain is usually local. That wasn't my point, which was that shipping tonnes of water in not-from-concentrate juices is wasteful. "Keep dreaming"... do you always talk to people like an arsehole?
@@mrsmith9597in the UK several years ago legislation was passed on product names. An apple flavoured drink contains no real juice and can't legally be called juice. Much like many burger 'cheese' slices have to be called 'cheese preparation'/'processed cheese'/ 'cheese food' as the % real cheese content is too low to call it cheese. Basically if something has less than a legally specified % of XYZ it cannot be legally called XYZ. That's why we have flavoured 'milk drinks', 'fruit drinks' and the likes. UK food legislation is strict in those regards. An Italian style ice-cream shop in Wales had to change is signage as what it was selling was legally gelato, not ice cream- most can't tell a difference but there is a distinction.
@Mr_Smith_20 "Apple juice drink" is apple juice which is diluted, has sugar or sweetener added, and sometimes has other flavourings as well.
We do have it in the UK, it's just not very common, and (IMO) tastes disgusting - which probably explains why it's so rare. I bought some from Morrisons a few years ago before I understood the difference between "juice" and "juice drink", because it was cheaper than juice; I never made that mistake again.
When he says "relatively low alcoholic drink", it depends on what you mean by "relatively low". Bottled cider, or cider out of a can, is typically between 6 and 8% ABV, so it is considerably stronger than beer. When it comes to draught cider, which you can get in many pubs, this is almost always non-fizzy, can often stronger still.
OK, I'm from the South West, Cornwall to be precise and all I can say is, when you come over and drink cider, don't think "oh this is a pleasant drink, I could just drink this all evening, after all it's only made from apples!"... They'll probably find you about 3 miles from the pub doorstep, after the air night air hits you, in some farmers field, bedraggled and very worse for ware, muttering and hanging onto a scarecrow like he's your best buddy !! 🤣🌄❤️
The difference between UK cider and US cider was best exemplified during a USCG exchange visit we hosted onboard HMS Lancaster while in the Caribbean. The USCG were onboard to carry out anti-drugs boardings of ships and boats coming from South America. As hospitable hosts, we offered our guests a drink which ranged from beers and lagers to cider. One of the USCG decided he'd like a cider. He'd had 2 or 3 when he realised that he was feeling a little tipsy, before turning green and racing to the heads to be sick. When he returned he explained that he was tee-total as he had an intolerance to alcohol and didn't realise that our cider was alcoholic! He also hadn't realised that in the Royal Navy, alcohol could be drank at sea (3 tins, per day, per man, (perhaps!)) as the USCG and USN were both dry ships when at sea, except for limited circumstances.
Non-alcoholic Cider is apple juice. Alcoholic apple juice is Cider.
Here in the UK we have apple juice and apple juice with pulp (or bits or whatever analogous label they use). As it is with any fruit based drink or "smoothie"...
It's not only Britain. It's the rest of the English speaking world. Americans have gone off their own tangent again.
Not really. 0 alcohol cider and apple juice are a different thing.
@@neilgayleard3842 which part of this don't you get?
@@neilgayleard3842 CRITICAL READING OF A ROCK
non alcoholic cider is certainly not apple juice 😂😂😂.
Here in Somerset England we have what is known as Scrumpy, this is a very very strong cider and is famous for its strength
The pear equivalent of cider is generally called perry. You can get "pear cider," but it's more likely to be pear-flavoured apple cider.
I asked a local Cambridgeshire cidermaker what "pear cider" was and he said the same as you, pretty much. Perry is the alcoholic drink made purely with pears and "pear cider" should be, cider from apples with pears added? However he did also say that most people are clueless as to what perry is so the big factories like Bulmers just call it pear cider rather than try to educate them?
I did not know this. Thank you for educating me.
Hm. That's interesting
@@reactingtomyrootsA good ‘Perry’ or pear cider, is much nicer and to me, much less harsh than apple cider. I think you might like it.
@@johnp8131 babycham was a perry
We also have Scrumpy, which traditionally is a more organic way of producing hard cider and is known for a higher alcoholic content and as it is unfiltered it is cloudy!
The one that an American would call simply cider, we would call 'cloudy apple juice', and the slightly fermented variety is 'fermented apple juice'. With spices added, it's called 'apple toddy'
I drink, Rough and clear cider regularly, never heard of "Apple Toddy", unless perhaps it's got something like Calvados in it? Sounds like a company trying to come up with "New, exciting" branding for good old fashioned "Mulled cider"?
@@johnp8131 The term 'apple toddy' is quite old, it originally came from South Asia, where any naturally fermented juice is called 'toddy' (eg coconut toddy), you can google it
Yeah, sounds about right :)
When I was a lot younger I lived in Herefordshire, another county famous for its cider. We had an apple tree, which I believe was a sweet cider apple tree. The apples it produced were incredible and very versatile. You could eat them as you would a dessert apple, a bit sharp, but so much flavour, you could cook with them, they were sweet enough you didn’t need to add sugar the way you did with cooking apples, and of course you could ferment them. I never made cider, but I did used to make country wine from them. A beautiful sharp, dry wine, which, while not fizzy did have almost a slight sparkle due to the specific acid that was in the apples. Loosing access to that tree was something I regretted when I moved away.
Love a Henry Westons vintage cider
@@chucky2316 Just having exactly that now. Try Waitrose version, slightly different but Westons make it for them. Same with Waitrose Perry at 8% ABV, marvelous.
@johnp8131 sadly my nearest waitrose is 40 miles away but agreed 👍 it's great stuff youre recommendation, I reckon lidil and aldi own branded westons is from the same source😂. It's cheaper but not by much 😮,I have several farms near me and i buy my cider or scrumpy from a local farm 😂 just don't drink it if you got to get up in the morning 😂.
I'm from the UK and yes cider is always alcoholic. What Americans call cider we call cloudy apple juice and the clear version we just call apple juice but there is also a cider called scrumpy cider which is cloudy and non fizzy but still alcoholic also known as farm house cider. Cider comes in 3 variants sweet, dry and half and half which is somewhere in between. There is also a pear cider as well.
I am from the UK Wiltshire/Somerset border and have never heard half and half it is termed medium. Also Pear Cider is a marketing tetm for what for centuries is called Perry to differentiate it from Cider as it is made with Pears.
Thanks for the explanation!
they sell large 5 litre bottles of 'old rosie' cider in the supermarkets now.... not fizzy, very nice, quite cheap aswell lol
@neilboulton9813 That's funny because I live in shepton mallet where pear cider was invented at the showerings company Ltd and it was invented by that company in the 1950s so it hasn't been made for centuries. They named the drink Babbysham and Classed it as pery for marketing. I know this because my father worked for the company for 35 years until he retired 20 years ago. I'm from the Mendip area and have lived not far from shepton mallet nearly all my life so I'm very local.
@@vladangelus7530Still never heard of half and half in relation to cider or coming from Shepton have you never heard of medium? Also Perry pears which have grown for centuries with geographical protected status now as Perry and whilst I have knowledge whether the name Perry actually was a marketing term the fact is people have been using these pears to make drink similiar to cider for centuries before Babycham!
Here in Europe, cider is by default an alcoholic drink, ranging anywhere from 2% ABV (the French sweet cider for example "Cidre doux") right up to some crazy stuff in in the low double figures. Any cider without alcohol is just some type of apple juice. Most cider is in the 5 - 6% alcohol range though. We don't spice it either, that would be weird to your average cider drinker. Edit to add - Your curiosity about British and European culture is very endearing. We're not used to seeing Americans be that way and see you guys as rather insular in general. Not that I dislike Americans, I've met so many good ones and done a couple of road trips in the US over the years.
Cider has always been alcoholic - I don't drink but a cider on a hot day can be very acceptable! Scrumpy is potent! Still prefer my 10 + cups of tea daily though! 🏴
I normally have only 1-2 cups of tea a day, but my "cup" is actually a 1 litre jug.
In The UK and Norther Europe there are many different ciders rather as there are different types of wine some clear, some cloudy; some carbonated; some flat; some strong; some weaker, it's a very varied drink. Pear juice can be used to make an alcoholic drink which is misnomered as Pear Cider, the correct name for it is Perry.🍗🍎
We also have a non alcoholic fizzy apple juice in ireland called Cidona, it tastes pretty much just like alcoholic cider and is essentially training cider for kids 😂😂
I haven't had Cidona in a long time. I'll have to get some next time I get chance.
In the UK we have Schloer which is similar, but maybe sweeter.
That has to be the most Irish thing I have ever read lol
When I was six my neighbours gave me Bulmers Cider instead of Bulmers Cidona boy did I get so drunk my sister even worse lol 😂
@@gvigary1 Also Appletiser, technically South African in origin, but pretty widely available in the UK.
'Cider' without alcohol is as oxymoronic as caffeine-free 'coffee' or 'tea', or non-alcoholic 'wine'. I'd LOVE to see some American tourists 'reacting' to the effects of drinking (let's be wicked) a PINT of real Scrumpy 🙂 (Aren't I naughty, though!?). BTW: an EXCELLENT video !!!
Your realisation of the butchery of our beautiful language is absolutely amazing to behold matey 🤣👌🏻🔥
YES, correct. "Cider" ALWAYS means booze here.
Also, not made clear (pun hehe) is that cider can be clear, but more traditional cider is flat and cloudy. We sometimes call that "scrumpy" It's still alcoholic, sometimes up to 10% ABV because cider-apples contain more natural sugar as well as a good level of acidity and in the UK we like it to have tannins (like red wine does)
Anything else is apple-juice, (cloudy apple juice, or just apple-juice) I make cider at home and it's good!
I have a long-term project to cross-breed red-fleshed apples with English cider-apples to create a dedicated red-fleshed English cider-apple. Gonna take at least a decade :I
If you want to try making it yourself at home I can talk you through that process. It's easy, but there are a couple of things to know if you want a good product.
Edit: Yes, alcohol made from pears is "perry" although you sometimes see it marketed simply as pear-cider because the word "perry" is archaic.
Pear cider is pressed from pears… usually dessert varieties or a mixture… but to be perry, it has to be pressed exclusively from perry pear varieties (which are inedible due to the bitter tannins in the same way as cider apple varieties are).
I’m actually quite surprised that the freezing method is that well used, I’m from Devon in the south west, the home of proper cider and my grandparents learned this from their parents and so forth until they taught it to us. I can tell you it’s possible to get around 30% very easily
I grew up 3 miles from a cider factory in Devon. It used to be called Inches, then Bulmers bought the company and shut this factory down. They have recently started selling their version of one of the best Inches cider in the shops.
That original factory is now called Winkleigh Cider Company (opened by an original worker at Inches) and sells Scrumpy and what they call Sam's cider. This refers to Sam Inch who originally started Inches cider company. Their cider and scrumpy is very nice.
I love inches Stonehouse
@@rachelpenny5165 hahaha, you might know the bullens, they live right next to winkleigh cider…
What a small world.
I went to Chulmleigh cc 😄
@@-.8.-I recognise the name but didn't know them that well. I also went to Chulmleigh and lived in a farming area half way between Winkleigh and North Tawton.
Best wishes
@@rachelpenny5165 taw valley is beautiful… I’ve probably spent thousands in that creamery shop 🤣🤣🤣
As a native Dorsetman my great grandparents were from the West Country side of Dorset Shaftesbury where they made cider from apples, pears, and pineapple and then sold it at the local market every Sunday 😃
That's awesome! :)
Hmm… I've not seen any pineapples grown around Shaftesbury, and during my working life, I've probably delivered to every farm in the Shaftesbury area as for fifteen years, that was my delivery patch.
Ha i do know of Pineapple Cider but it's super uncommon (in the UK at least). i think its called
Tepache @@ChrisParrett-qo4sx
The word cider originally referred to the fermented juice of apples, so historically it is literally always alcoholic.
Best ciders we have over here, imo, are from the counties of Herefordshire and Cornwall. Lillies Cider and Crackington Cider are two that spring to mind. I'm also a big fan of Gwynt Y Ddraig cider from South Wales 😋
*EDIT*
Ah, so he goes into the definition in the vid. I jumped the gun a touch 😂
You'd probably like Cornish Rattler too 👍👍
@@moonshinepz Yeugh! It's like Lucozade. Teeth rottingly sweet. I like Dunkertons Organic, but at 6% you need to take them steady. Aspall's is a super clean tasting, fresh, easy drinker.
@@FTFLCY Aspall's, a Suffolk cider. Many don't realise that cider and apples have always been a big thing in East Anglia. They don't exist anymore but look at what was "Gaymers". I have at least seven cideries near me in Cambs.
@@johnp8131 Aspall's is a damn fine cider. I tend to lean towards Somerset ciders admittedly, myself, but there are some exceptional international imports showing up these days. Angioletti, from Italy, and Sxollie, from South Africa are two that spring to mind.
No one seems to have mentioned the current craze for cider supplemented by other juices like mixed berries such as Copperberg and Old Mouth (from New Zealand I think). A cider story……
Just after the war my parents ran a pub for a short time (so their friends who owned it could take a break - it was the Three Tuns near Haverhill). Early one evening my dad and another friend set out on their bikes for a pint at another pub. Hours later as light was fading they still hadn’t returned. Worried my mum got a friend with a car to take her to look for them. She eventually found the pair unconscious in a ditch with their bikes on top of them. My dad was just out of the Royal Navy so no stranger to strong drink, but they had seriously underestimated the power of scrumpy cider!!! He never drank it again after that day!!!
we have nothing like that spiced drink he's talking about. Mulled anything would be the closest, but mulled usually means alcohol as well. You actually have to specify non - alcoholic mulled wine or soft mulled wine. we've got unfiltered apple juice, but no spices. which is cloudy. filtered apple juice is clear.
You do get mulled cider at Xmas I've had the misfortune of having it
Mulled would usually mean heated as well as with added spices.
it varies ive had it where its meant to be drank cold, and had it wheere its meant to be dranb nk hot dpeneds on the make
@@davidhyams2769
Copella used to sell a spiced cloudy apple juice. I don't know if they still do. I've seen a couple of other similar products too but it does seem to be fairly rare.
Copella apple and elderflower is a favourite.
I went off beer a few years ago, it started tasting sour and off.
I switched to Cider. There's a lot of brands doing Cider from Britain, Ireland, and Scandinavia. However, Cider has now gotten dodgy. It comes in many different flavours and in all shapes and sizes of bottles and cans. Some comes in cans the same size and shape as soft drinks. (It's not just apple or pear now, it's summer fruits, winter fruits, and so on.) They can also be a higher alcohol content than most beers.
At one birthday party during the summer, I knocked back about 8 cans like they were Coca Cola. Then at the end of the night I had to travel on three connecting trains to get home.
I made it home ok, but I've switched to rum and coke if I'm taking a drink. At least then I know I'm drinking alcohol and how many I can safely drink.
Loved this video. In my county of Yorkshire, we'd define the normal American Apple Juice as Apple juice so that's exactly the same.
American Cider is Cloudy Apple Juice and American Hard Cider is mostly referred to as just Cider.
We also have Pear Cider but you will rarely see any type of normal Pear Juice which I find interesting!
As you figured out, in the UK if you were to ask for a Cider, you would be given an alcoholic beverage.
Nothing better than a pint of cider on a warm summer’s day.
Hey Steve, great reaction vid as always. I really think you should look into the varieties of cider (hard cider to you) that are produced here in the UK. I live in the county of Somerset, which is the home of 'scrumpy', which is a pure & strong version.
In the UK, cider (hard cider) comes in many different varieties - cloudy/clear, dry/medium/sweet, still/sparkling in any combination, and ranging typically from 4-9% abv. A more modern trend is a clear, sparkling cider infused with other fruit flavours such as strawberry & lime or mixed berries (Swedish in origin I believe). There are also pear ciders which would be labelled as 'pear cider' as opposed to just 'cider'.
Cloudy apple juice tends to be fresh pressed unfiltered apple juice found in the chilled section, whereas the clear apple juice tends to be long life concentrated juice.
I had this exact conversation with 2 American m8s that I hosted a few weeks back, but yeah, Cider is an alcoholic drink in the UK, it's apple juice/pop wen it don't have alcohol in it
If you ever come to Cornwall, I recommend visiting Healey's Cornish Cyder Farm. If you do the full tour through the factory, they let you try various single-varietal apple juices (some from desert apples and some from cider apples) individually and mixed together, so you can get an idea of how and why the variety affects the finished product.
Even if you don't do the tour, in the shop, they do free tastings of the huge variety of different ciders they produce (as well as several varieties of fruit and flower wines, apple juices, jams, and chutneys), which is a great way to figure out what sort of cider you prefer, from cloudy traditional scrumpy, through clear sparkling cider, to vintage cider aged in bourbon/whisky/brandy barrels.
Young children will likely enjoy the tractor and trailer rides through the orchard, and the selection of farm animals to view and pet.
Afterwards, just head further down the road to Callestick Farm for some of their fantastic Ice Cream, from the cows who apparently eat the leftover apple pulp after the pressing in autumn.
Hi Steve. Cider here in the UK is normally alcoholic, although you can get alcohol free cider. Some of the most popular cider bands here in the UK are Thatchers, Bulmers, Magners Irish Cider. Most of our supermarkets have their own branded cider, some fairly decent, others not so much.....There are now many variations on the original apple ciders, with pair and various other fruits being used to create these.
You missed out strongbow or kopperberg they are the normal go 2s Well they are for me
Inches has become pretty popular recently, it's a smooth medium cider.
I've seen pubs that have Inches, Thatcher's Gold, Thatcher's Haze AND OF COURSE Strongbow {which is by far the biggest name in Cider} all on tap at the same time.
Don't forget Woodpecker and Dry Blackthorn, even though they've both pretty much vanished now they had their day in the pubs and clubs.
Magners and Bulmers are crap! They were heavily marketed in the late 90s as a kind of upmarket cider but didn't last very long as Strongbow continued to easily outsell them just as it had seen off Dry Blackthorn before them.
@@JonEvans-st9kt Kopparberg isn't Cider - They don't even do an Apple version as far as I can tell!
When it first came out with the Kopparberg Pear I was ecstatic {I love Pears but Perry was marketed as a women's drink in the 80s so they had to call it Pear Cider} but these days it's hard to find that in pubs too as they went into all the silly multi-flavours!
I rather like the suffolk ciders by Aspalls but I am not a beer drinker so my tastes are definately not mainstream. Not a fan of scrumpy but a decent sweet or medium filtered cider is great. Just so long as it doesn't include all these crazy red berry flavours they seem to be adding these days, can't stand them.
@@andyjdhurley Take a looks at the Cider makers of East Anglia. I live near Cambridge and have around half a dozen small to medium size Cideries close by.
Apparently "Gaymers" was the "big" manufacturer in years gone by. As we drive into Norfolk and Suffolk, the signs are still there but the company was moved down to Somerset around 15 years ago and the name is no longer used?
A spiced apple juice is called 'mulled apple juice' - mulled means a spiced drink often warmed, but we don't often do this to anything but wine. Mulled/spiced apple drink is not at all common in the UK. People might occasionally make it at Christmas as a non-alcoholic drink for anyone who is driving.
That was really interesting! For me as a German, this was confusing to me too. I love British cider and when I watched Little House on the Prairie in English, I was surprised when they gave cider or even hot cider to children. lol. Here in Germany, we also differentiate between cloudy apple juice and clear apple juice, but we also have an alcoholic cider equivalent called Apfelwein (apple wine), which is a bit more bitter and has a higher alcohol content than the British one. Maybe there is also a taste difference between the American hard cider and the British cider.
As a child visiting a German uncle on his farm near Osnabruck Germany in the 1960s, my brother and I were offered beer. I refused and said I wanted water. My uncle said bah! water! He was offering us a very low alcohol, maybe no alcohol beer. I was about 9 years old and my brother about 7. So it seemed normal to him for young children to drink that kind of beer.
@@susanwestern6434 Oh no! Haha. It was also my uncle who introduced me to beer as a child. It's a national treasure. :D
Didn't you and your brother find it terribly bitter and disgusting as a child? Brrr, it wasn't nice!
The alcoholic stuff can also sometimes be cloudy, often known as "scrumpy". Stealing apples from someones trees is known as scrumping.
Yes the Romans did bring some varieties of Apple's to Britain. But the apples used for cider are cooking apples that grew here in the wild long before they arrived. We took apple pie to America as well.
Victorian authors tended to credit the Romans for everything. Britain (i.e. the island) seems to have had a reputation for being a place with lots of apples earlier than that, but of course it's very unclear because the Romans too used one word for several different types of fruit. As fruit trees are somewhat short lived (not as much as people think, ones in commercial orchards are very stressed and have a shorter lifespan) there's not a lot of biological evidence one way or another.
The True Service Tree (Sorbus domestica) is another tree commonly thought to have been a Roman introduction, even the Wild Service Tree (Sorbus torminalis) which is much more numerous in Britain is sometimes thought to have been a Roman introduction. Both were likely already here, however.
Somerset Scrumpy. Most farms had their own orchards and apple press. My county. Traditionly, a raw Ham joint was suspended in the vat. When it was dissolved to just a bone, the Scrumpy was ready.😊
Pear cider is usually called 'perry'.
Back in the 60s, there was a cider called Merrydown. Due to its high alcohol content, they had to stop calling it cider and call it wine.
Merrydown 🤣 first time I drank this back in the 70s, I thought this taste quite nice, had about a pint, went to stand up and hit the floor, quite strong stuff.
oh yea, that Merrydown! wicked stuff. you think everything is going well till you stand up. 😂😂
I used to drink Merrydown lovely stuff but potent
It still exists. I bought half a dozen bottles of Merrydown from Morrisons at the beginning of the Summer. 750ml bottles, the Dry and Original are both 6.8%. Still decent but I thought it used to be around 7.2% or more?
Perry generally tends to be called "Pear Cider" by the big multi-national manufacturers like Bulmers because the people that drink that weak stuff from the don't know what Perry is!
Try Wairose own label Perry at 8% ABV, if you can get it? Westons make it for them and It's cetainly worth a try?
I also remember as a young man, the times when on a Friday night we would get on the train at Totnes in Devon and take a ten minute journey to Newton Abbot just several miles away to visit the 'cider bar' there where they sold alot of different ciders (and beers and other stuff) we would get very pissed drinking 'Inch's Harvest' scrumpy, then at 9pm we'd stagger back onto the train to get back to Totnes before the pubs closed for some more bevvies (alcoholic beverages). 🤕
Oh nearly forgot. When you mix a cider with a lager it's called 'snakebite' and word has it that it makes one somewhat aggressive.
Yep, when I worked in pubs in the 80's Snake Bite was banned!
Steve, your spicy apple juice sounds like some bright spark took the recipe for Mulled Wine and replaced the wine with apple juice. If you aren't aware, Mulled Wine is a red wine that is heated with spices such as nutmeg, cloves and cinnamon to produce a warm or hot spicy drink. Especially popular around Christmas, even the fragrance is associated with Christmas in UK. US cider sounds like it could be rather similar.
We do exactly that around christmas and have 2 mulled drinks on offer, the normal, red wine one and an alcahol free mulled apple for those who are driving - both are pretty good. Mulled wine is known across Europe by various names including Gluwein, Vin Chaud and Vin Brulee and is by far the most common drink on Apine ski slopes.
We do have spiced mulled ciders in the UK, in some shops on the run up to Xmas.
We have mulled cider in the UK too, obviously the alcoholic variety. I'm curious as it sounds from your comment as if you're not aware of it, have you never tried it? I recommend, it's gorgeous. Hot and spiced just like mulled wine.
@@RosLanta You're right, it's not something I've come across before (maybe because of my location in UK) but I'll certainly keep a look out for it and give it a try. 👍
Sitting outside a country pub on a hot summers day there is nothing nicer than an ice cold glass of cider (ice cubes optional) partnered with a packet of crisps …. Perfect 👌🏼🙌😎
Even in the winter next to the raeburn or aga
And the sound of leather on willow...
@@cigmorfil4101 Plus a ploughman's to keep you going for the afternoon! Put it all together, pretty sure that's what heaven looks like.
In England the county of Somerset is the home of Cider. Remember as a teen you could buy scrumpy cider for £1 a gallon from local farms.
All over the wrstcountry, Cornwall devon Somerset Dorset, also the county of Herefordshire
When was that? We used to get rough scrumpy from a local farm for £2 a gallon in the 80s when I was in my twenties in Worcestershire. Parts of Worcestershire and Herefordshire are quite big producers of apples and other fruits. Deep top soil.
@@michaelcaffery5038 very early 80's in south Gloucestershire.
Where I'm from in the UK, we call cider fighting juice. The more you drink the more fights break out. Especially scrumpy.
Cider is a big thing for, um, British underage drinkers... Cheap, very strong, 'White Lightning' cider is popular in that age group. Edit- Oh, White Lightning isn't sold any more! I'm sure I've seen similar white ciders still on sale though... ---- Incidentally, did you know that the age you can buy alcohol in the UK is 18, but there is no national law against underage teenagers possessing or drinking alcohol?
White Lightning was not cheap! There were plenty of cheaper brands available, You bought White Lightning because it was the best!
Then you made Snakebites with White Lightning and Kestrel Super {Kestrel was better than Tennant's or Skol Super} :)
White lightning was discontinued in 2009 rip. No idea what the kids are drinking nowadays
@@DatDirtyDog Ah, you're right! Looks like similar white ciders are still on sale though.
I think I am right in saying that those really cheap, really strong ciders were usually not cider at all but a diluted and flavoured pure alcahol or vodka. Take alcahol, dilute it to a legal level (just) and add some apple flavouring - sell for pennies.
What about K-cider , that stuff was about 9%
You also have the Spanish (mostly northern Spanish) “sidra”, which was being produced and drunk in Spain for three thousand years.
Spanish ciders (sidra) are slightly different from the more famous British Isles varieties; firstly, they are not sweet, and secondly, they are often not sparkling. They also contain a lot of alcohol.
Sidra has a sharp and crisp tang that really allows you to taste the natural apple flavour, and is always poured from a hight (usually behind ones back) to oxygenate the beverage.
To make the sidra, apples are harvested in September and October, during the autumn season, and are left to ferment for around six months. The cider is fermented only with the natural yeast found in the apples, and no extra sugar is added. When ready, the cider has a very dry taste, is quite cloudy, and still has sediment in the bottom, unlike the clear ciders produced in the British Isles.
Note that Spanish sidra is quite a strong alcoholic beverage, similar to “scrumpy cider” that’s popular in the South West of England.
The Brits also drink perry, which is a pear cider. Also an alcoholic drink…Perry or pear cider is an alcoholic beverage made from fermented pears, traditionally in England, particularly Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, and Worcestershire, parts of South Wales and France, especially Normandy and Anjou, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
In the UK the term 'cider' is used to describe an alcoholic fruit drink. If it is not alcoholic, it is fruit juice. As for the cloudy non-alcoholic drink you guys call cider, I really don't know because it is not common in the UK, but I suspect it would be called cloudy apple juice.
The first time I watched Hocus Pocus I was shocked when the children were drinking cider because I’ve only ever known alcoholic cider, I had no idea there was a non alcoholic cider!
You were right though,cider is alcoholic, it's just the Americans being different to the rest of the world
I would highly recommend you try pear cider. It's a wonderful flavour.
It's "Perry", not that industrial pear cider rubbish!
I once spent a Saturday morning on overtime grinding and testing a large number of tubes for hardness and chemical content. It was a hot day and when I finished at dinnertime I went to our clubhouse and had four pints of scrumpy in the space of an hour. I couldn't ride my bike home and had to be walked. Once at home, I promptly passed out and missed my parents' Ruby wedding celebration. It's strong.
So many ciders now, the French brewed a cider, but don't think it lasted long. We also do alcoholic pear juice called Perry. Pplease remember nearly all drinks you have came with the immigrants.👵🏴
Cider making is extremely traditional in Britony and Normandy, which they still do to this day. It's quite different to English cider though, weaker and usually sweeter, fizzy from the final part of the fermentation being in the bottle like champagne.
@TheBaconWizard Yes which is where the Brits got it from due to William the Conqueror.
The French have been brewing cidre for centuries and still do. First place I saw cloudy cidre presumably scrumpy in a gallon container in the supermarket. Cider teams very well with cheeses and Normandy has plenty of those!
Cider is very much brewed in France, mostly in the Vendee, Brittany and Normandy. Also from Normandy Calvados (apple brandy) is made.
Beer brewer Stella Artois produced a range of ciders under the brand Cidre. It was a decent cider, I preferred it to Magners (Irish) but it is a long time since I saw any on sale. I think it is still produced though.
Personally prefer the UK brand Thatchers.
This explains a lot. As a B&B owner in Scotland, I've never understood why our American guests always ask us what's in our apple juice jug because we serve the cloudy stuff.
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I’m from Cornwall in England & I love cider, this was a very interesting video & will definitely help prevent me from ending up being given Apple juice when I eventually visit America 🇺🇸
I would always choose cider over beer. Cornish scrumpy is the best, but difficult to find outside Cornwall. I'm currently quite enjoying Inch's medium apple cider from Herefordshire at 4.5%. Also, fruit flavoured ciders can be very nice too.
Not true, decent farmhouse and cidery produced stuff is available all over the West Country and East Anglia. My local cidery near St Ives in Cambridgeshire makes an awful lot of stronger, 6% plus, fruit flavoured ciders which are hugely popular. My favourite is Crones Norfolk rum cask but I've had some bloody good ones in the Cornwall and Devon too.
We have six or seven smallish cideries within twenty miles of Cambridge. I suppose the only big one most would know is Aspalls in the adjoining county of Suffolk?
@@johnp8131 Not much of it seems to find it's way to Essex/London sadly.
@@londonbobby Try one of the CAMRA beer festivals or there's a few pubs is Cambridge that sell decent ciders if you are near the Essex/Cambs border. Or try, Berties or Big Bear cider around Great Notley.
Might be able to get some at borough market; there is a cider stall/bar there. equally Hawkes brewery (unfortunately now owned by brewdog) is on the bermondsey beer strip and that usually has a bunch of other cider beyond there own. But yeah london(and surround) isn't the best for finding cider, strangely I always noticed they have quite a few french ciders in some pubs @@londonbobby
The spiced warm apple juice that you’re describing isn’t really a thing here in the UK but if it were, it’d be called mulled apple juice. We have mulled cider or mulled wine readily available in the late autumn and winter…I dare say there may be some places that do a nonalcoholic version, which would likely be made from an apple juice. The spices used in mulling are normally sweet cinnamon sticks, nutmeg, cloves, allspice and star anise, generally orange peel or slices will be added too.
I think that technically a cider made from pears is called a perry.
In addition to some previous comments ...
One evening, I went to Cambridge Beer Festival ... I ended the evening with a pint of scrumpy (strong cider), it seemed to have no alcohol in it at all - very tasty!
The festival finished and I wheeled my bike to the side of the road, ready to go home - I felt fine....
As soon as I pushed the pedal, I fell over into the middle of the road! [luckily there was hardly any traffic at that time of night]
"OMG! Are you ok??"- said a concerned passer-by .. I just grinned at them, from the middle of the road, and said something like "never better!"
The next day, I woke up with multiple minor injuries to the entire left-side of my body - and yet, I hadn't felt a thing...
That's the power of cider! ...
I was stationed at RAF Hereford in the late sixties, and there were several pubs that sold nothing but Scrumpy, I remember the bits of apple floating in the glass.
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Proper cider (in the UK) is made in Somerset and is called 'scrumpy' which is very strong. He most common ones available in pubs are Strongbow which is dry and Woodpecker which is sweet. Cider made with pears is called Perry and is an acquired taste.
I remember watching a kids show and being confused at kids drinking cider. 😂 Like that's for adults.
I'm a Brit and i've never seen a apple juice as 'cider' -like you describe it.. if I drove to a small farm shop in the middle of nowhere, I might be lucky to find a small-batch fancy 'spiced apple juice' (for the non-alcoholics)
next to the christmas mead in the autumn/winter.. but it's not standard. I've never seen that in the supermarket.. Cider is and always will be, our booze of choice in Somerset
I'm 54 now and i remember as a small child, living near a big cider making place, they had these massive barrels in a big stone cellar, and my sister and i would beg the guy who worked there for a sip, and he'd tell us about how he'd put a dead rat in each barrel to make it taste better.
- What you call cider (with spices) we would call 'mulled apple juice' (apple juice warmed with spices) or we'd make a fruit punch with different juices but also warmed with spices ... but that's really for minors and lightweights, ... usually though, in the winter months, like on Guy Fawkes night or over the christmas period at parties and gatherings we would drink a mulled wine (wine warmed with spices) which would normally have some fruit juices in it ... maybe some vodka also.
I'm a westcountry lad cider Country here. We have scrumpy aswell lots of farms here in devon where you can buy it from the keg.
I’m in the UK and wondered why the difference in language. It’s a very old traditional drink in the UK.
It’s very refreshing especially in summer, and mulled cider is great in the winter.
Alcoholic drinks made from pear’s is called perry. Like cider it’s a traditional drink although much less popular.
Here in Sweden, you can find apple juice, cider and "alcohol free" cider (< 0.5 %). Basically the latter is alcoholic cider that has had it's ethanol content removed through some process - usually you can tell the really 0.0% variants by taste because the only ways to get rid of all the ethanol without totally destroying the product will still change the taste (just like with beer and wine), while the 0.5% variants will still have basically unchanged taste.
In British and international standard English, cider is always an alcoholic fermented drink made from apple juice. Non-fermented apple juice is simply 'apple juice'. The juice may be filtered and clear , which is just 'juice' unfiltered is, rather prosaically, described as 'cloudy juice'. I've never come across apple juice with added spices so there is no equivalent term for the US 'cider' product.
Until recent times, cider was regarded as rather an old man's peasant drink being very rough and notoriously strong. This was especially popular in the south west of England (the 'West Country') where the cloudy rough original version is known as 'Scrumpy'. From around the 50s there was a marketing drive to get a mass produced cider into more general acceptance, most notably by Bulmer who produced a sweet (alcoholic) cider, Woodpecker, and a dry product, Strongbow. They never really gained the mass appeal of beer but ticked along quite happily for decades until the 90s (? from memory) where another assault on the market began targeted at younger drinkers. Remember that the age limit to purchase alcohol in the UK is 18--which means, in practice and in the absence of any compulsory ID cards, that most young people start drinking from their mid-teens. Certainly in my own case, a seeming lifetime ago, my age was never queried when I first started venturing independently or with groups of friends into pubs at 14/15.
The closest we come to a commercially available "spiced (soft) cider" is a cloudy apple juice with ginger root juiced into it as well. Or Mulled Apple Juice will be heated to infuse the spices in, but it's not usually served cold.
Apple juice with flavours and or spices added would/might be called ‘spiced apple juice.’ Or perhaps perhaps ‘flavoured apple juice.’
In the U.K. cider is, by definition, an alcoholic drink made from the fermented juices of apples.
It is in that same way that cheese is made from fermented milk and a milk shake is flavoured milk.
Calling flavoured apple juice cider is like calling a vanilla milk shake cheddar cheese.
During WW2 there was apparently a shortage of beer and when my father's ship put into a west country port all that was available in the pubs was cider. They turned their noses up at a 'kid's drink' but soon regretted it as it was strong scrumpy! Sore heads all round.
My grandmother maintained that she was teetotal and that her headaches couldn't be from the cider she drank as it was "just apple juice". Yes, Gran, and wine is just grape juice.
Don't add spices to your cider unless you're mulling it in which case it should be hot.
The story of Cider is not complete until you discover The Wurzels and "I am a Cider drinker".
The spices you are thinking of are Cinnamon, coriander, cardamom, cloves, and sometimes star anise. In the UK we mostly use Cinnamon, Allspice, Lemon Peel and Cloves and a separate (different) one with all those plus ginger.
Scrumpy Jack cider, is yummy but leaves you with a stomping hangover
What you know as cider with spices, we use at christmas its called mulled cider, we heat the cider on the stove top at a simmer add in orange slices and 4 cloves, 2 cinamon sticks, brown sugar, apple juice and maybe a big splash of brandy and simmer, the smell is wonderful and and has a lovely taste
About 80 years ago, when I was a kid, there was a non alcoholic drink with a few additions, called Cydrax, on sale in Britain, but we've never been a culture which adds spices in the quantity that the Americans still do, to apple pie or any sort of apple juice or ' Cider'.
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I love English Cider, also Scrumpy Cider (Cloudy Apple Cider, this can be very potent!) I also Love Pear Cider a popular make in the UK is KOPPARBERG lovely cider, their Strawberry and Lime Cider is also a favourite of mine 😀
In the South West there are actually pubs who are well known cider houses....... they also sell beer wine etc like any pub but they have barrels of different ciders on tap.
The spiced drink you're referring to is what we would refer to as "mulled" where you spice cider or wine (or just apple juice) and drink it warmed up, this is a festive winter drink. Mulled cider, mulled wine. Sometimes pubs will have a warmed keg of it going, but I would make it for a party or get together - only in winter.
Pear cider is called "Perry"!
In the UK, Apple juice is Apple juice (marketing aside) . "Cider" is always fermented (not always apples). I remember as a kid going to Cornwall and people buying home made scrumpy cider. You "rented" a pint stein glass and went out back of the pub and they had a full barrel of homemade cider you dipped the glass into. The barrel was very strong cider and had half cut apples floating in it. We not only have apple cider, but other fruits like pear cider.
Also the video you chose "Adam Ragusia" is very good at breaking down things kindof scientifically. He is very good, one to keep on your radar for information, as what he says he thoroughly tests and shows quite openly.
Also in the UK "spiced" drinks being Cider or not is usually something that comes around at Christmas time. Even UK homes at Christmas usually have some wax melt smellies that are in-fact spiced apple, which is usually Apple, Cinnamon and Nutmeg for that particular season.
If you want to see wild behaviour in the UK, look up "Yard of Cider", or "Yard of Ale".
As for your last question about cider: On a really hot day, a pint of cold carbonated alcoholic cider is wonderfully refreshing!
Here in the West country of England, the counties of Somerset and Wiltshire are famous for scrumpy cider. Its rough, cloudy and causes parts of your body to not work. Lovely stuff...
Growing up in the west country (southwest England), cider is a staple. It ranges from popular brands such as Thatchers and Strongbow (sweet, fizzy, sometimes flavoured with other fruits and berries, usually 4-6% alcohol), to Farmhouse-style such as Henry Weston's vintage (more bitter, less sweet, 8.2%), to homebrew Scrumpy (varies but can be up to 20% alcohol and usually not very sweet).
Most scrumpys I've had tend to have little taste - a bit like drinking water, but with a kick...
There are three types of British apple. Desert apples for eating, cooking apples for... well, cooking and cider apples specific for cider making. A lot of home cider makers use a mix of cider apples and desert or cooking apples for their home brews.
I'm born and raised in England. This video was very educational even for me. Cheers, buddy. Keep up the good work.
Glad to hear that! Appreciate you watching :)
Here in the UK we don't use "hard" regarding drinks but all non alcholic drinks are called "soft drinks" and that's an isle sign in supermarkets (grocery stores).
i dont know if they still do but somerset apple farmers used to produce a thing called scrumpy ,which was REALLY strong cider. most cider farmers used to keep pear trees in a small part of the orchard and would make pear cider and keep it for special occasions.
What Adam Ragusea had and called cider, we in the UK would generally refer to as 'cloudy apple juice'. You can also get a warm cloudy apple juice drink with nutmeg, ginger, cinnamon and so on but I don't know what I'd call that, maybe spiced apple juice
Unfiltered acholic cider is Called "scrumpy" a very strong cider. Made traditional in a barrel.