So Niru got B tier based on a few factors, firstly he is our best and most reliable anti-heal in the entire game rn which is important for AFK stages and could be relevant elsewhere in future, he can also be used as bait for Lily May in PVP and as you mentioned with Damian and Tasi, he has the ability to prolong fights if he gets his ultimate off. His opportunity cost is also very low, there are maybe 2 other A level graveborns that are more important to build than he is. You also have to understand this was built as an end game tier list, not a general one, so things like Marilee and Korin were put lower than we would normally advise for new players. This also didn't take into account Ravaged Realm at all. Florabelle was also sort mistakenly put in A tier, due to some spreadsheet mistakes.
Thank you for walking us through this! It would also be super helpful to have a vid refreshing us on what EX weapons to invest in and their ideal levels.
I'm not too sure how Puzzle is valuing the Faction Talents + heroes, because that's how some heroes managed to slip into some positions. Like, for example, putting Alsa in the Mauler tile solves the one major flaw she has for PvP, which is survivability. Also, the same way people would put 3 maulers in an arena to enable the tiles and then put other faction units like Tasi and Lenya in them. If the Wilder tiles end up being really strong, people are going to also run 3 Wilders teams just to put other units in them.
The thing about carolina is that you can put eironn, alsa, ulmus and arden in an afk team and they will clear everything before carolina ever has the chance to ult, at which point you might as well put lily or odie there. She also doesn't contribute to the faction bonuses either.
One thing you're overlooking is Dura's Trials. Early season, the ability to get charms is VERY important. Brutus is good for that. Also, It's WILD that Marilee and Korin count as low-tier. That's crazy. Ignoring DR, what about Battle Drills!?!?!?
So where these heros are ranked, does this assume fully built? Wish there were icons or some idicator for when a hero comes 'online'. Is it just assumed everyone is running at Mythic+? As a newer player (25 days in) it would help a lot knowing WHEN I can finally use a hero. Right now I just have Oddie at M+ and Pesto is one copy away. Everyone else is basically just base level. Also have to comment about Nara, she has been extremely useful for me in PvP, pulling key heros to my side and stomping them in the first few seconds of a match has netted me a lot of wins above my weight class.
my team actually is Lucius, Sonja, Temesia, Rowan and Talene, i think its a pretty solid team, probably i should change Lucius for Pharesto and Rowan for the twins, but for now i think its a pretty solid team. Lucio - Mythic Temesia - Epic Rowan - Mythic Sonja - Legendary Taelene - Legendary (im a F2P player so, i dont have too much things i improve of what i have)
Do you think it is point less to get S+ hypo celes if paragon is strong in the coming season? If I got it right, an S+ hypo celes is nothing when fighting P2 normal hero
@@kieren4395 i dont think so. Hypo celes should be strong in pvp because they are in different level. Some hypo celes strong in DR and some in pvp. Dionel/dunli/beliah for example. If the new paragon system is unchanged, no one will go for hypo celes pvp hero anymore.
Mass quit if they don't roll back the change. Vietnam server has confirmed. Even with the nerf to paragon buffs. It render team composition not important. Higher paragon will overwhelm the other team.
Started game 13 days ago... As a complete F2P Smokey mythic Odie supreme Cecia methic+ Pharesoto legendary Koko legendary+. Afk 600 and resonance 130... Am i doing good?
@malcovich_games I was focused on pushing AFK so went for her and also got lucky with her cards... Now I'm realising she's not much needed in other areas of the game and I should've went for lily may or others
The bosses in new ss are not really in Harak favor. Illucia can hit really hard with less allies survive, Thalassa cant be hit by melee heroes. I dont think Harak is good against Crazed Shellbrute and Plague Creeper summons are too many for a single target dmg dealer like Harak
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Seeing our buddy Smokey still up there is great. Let’s see how Twins will change this up
So Niru got B tier based on a few factors, firstly he is our best and most reliable anti-heal in the entire game rn which is important for AFK stages and could be relevant elsewhere in future, he can also be used as bait for Lily May in PVP and as you mentioned with Damian and Tasi, he has the ability to prolong fights if he gets his ultimate off. His opportunity cost is also very low, there are maybe 2 other A level graveborns that are more important to build than he is. You also have to understand this was built as an end game tier list, not a general one, so things like Marilee and Korin were put lower than we would normally advise for new players. This also didn't take into account Ravaged Realm at all. Florabelle was also sort mistakenly put in A tier, due to some spreadsheet mistakes.
Well right now I put Niru above Viperian and Salazar in priority. But I guess he will be back to third place when Bonnie arrives in wishlist.
Nara A-tier and Damian B-tier makes no sense
Thank you for walking us through this! It would also be super helpful to have a vid refreshing us on what EX weapons to invest in and their ideal levels.
hero tier list for S3 pvp:
S++++++: any support unit at high paragon level
D: everything else
It'll be interesting to see how a tier list from the end of one season holds when we get to the middle of the next one, like DR endless season 3
Smokey is love. Smokey is life.
I'm not too sure how Puzzle is valuing the Faction Talents + heroes, because that's how some heroes managed to slip into some positions. Like, for example, putting Alsa in the Mauler tile solves the one major flaw she has for PvP, which is survivability.
Also, the same way people would put 3 maulers in an arena to enable the tiles and then put other faction units like Tasi and Lenya in them. If the Wilder tiles end up being really strong, people are going to also run 3 Wilders teams just to put other units in them.
There should be a D tier for Valen and Kafra, I’ve never used them in any mode 😐
add atalana to that
@@inner__ Yeah, I'd put Atalanta even lower than Valen and Kafra, because those 2 at least have the dignity of not being S level units...
@@Ramk0core strong point here 🤣
I used Valen in Ravaged Realm…. last season
The thing about carolina is that you can put eironn, alsa, ulmus and arden in an afk team and they will clear everything before carolina ever has the chance to ult, at which point you might as well put lily or odie there. She also doesn't contribute to the faction bonuses either.
One thing you're overlooking is Dura's Trials. Early season, the ability to get charms is VERY important. Brutus is good for that.
Also, It's WILD that Marilee and Korin count as low-tier. That's crazy. Ignoring DR, what about Battle Drills!?!?!?
Could you post a link to this tier list?
I'm slowly building every non-celepogean hero to S+, you never know, some of them could get a buff and it would be sad not to have them
So where these heros are ranked, does this assume fully built? Wish there were icons or some idicator for when a hero comes 'online'. Is it just assumed everyone is running at Mythic+? As a newer player (25 days in) it would help a lot knowing WHEN I can finally use a hero. Right now I just have Oddie at M+ and Pesto is one copy away. Everyone else is basically just base level. Also have to comment about Nara, she has been extremely useful for me in PvP, pulling key heros to my side and stomping them in the first few seconds of a match has netted me a lot of wins above my weight class.
Yeah, Nara is very good in PvP, I guess a lot of people just don't know how to use her
my team actually is Lucius, Sonja, Temesia, Rowan and Talene, i think its a pretty solid team, probably i should change Lucius for Pharesto and Rowan for the twins, but for now i think its a pretty solid team.
Lucio - Mythic
Temesia - Epic
Rowan - Mythic
Sonja - Legendary
Taelene - Legendary
(im a F2P player so, i dont have too much things i improve of what i have)
Ngl smokey and milky brouth me so far even where i was like 10-15 levels under
Do you think it is point less to get S+ hypo celes if paragon is strong in the coming season? If I got it right, an S+ hypo celes is nothing when fighting P2 normal hero
You can paragon a celes/hypo like Phraesto who's used in all modes.
@ it cost too much even with spender.
You get an S+ cel/hypo for DR mainly
@@ducvietdamOnly get it if you want / can push into your servers top10. If you're already there, then it isn't necessary
@@kieren4395 i dont think so. Hypo celes should be strong in pvp because they are in different level. Some hypo celes strong in DR and some in pvp. Dionel/dunli/beliah for example. If the new paragon system is unchanged, no one will go for hypo celes pvp hero anymore.
Mass quit if they don't roll back the change. Vietnam server has confirmed. Even with the nerf to paragon buffs. It render team composition not important. Higher paragon will overwhelm the other team.
Bonie does double damage as lily. She best dps in pvp atm
should i drop reinier and go for phraesto? i got reinier L+ and one soul sigil and epic phraesto
Upgrade reinier to m+ only and pesto to s+ but is situational if you want upgrade new celes hypo in new season
You should finish reinier (m+), then you can think about whether you want to start on pesto or go straight to twins.
finish reiner to M+ then swap to prae so at least you have 1 usable celes/hypo instead of stopping now. you wont be able to use both for a while.
Started game 13 days ago... As a complete F2P
Smokey mythic
Odie supreme
Cecia methic+
Pharesoto legendary
Koko legendary+.
Afk 600 and resonance 130... Am i doing good?
Building Cecia is the only big mistake i can see
@malcovich_games I was focused on pushing AFK so went for her and also got lucky with her cards... Now I'm realising she's not much needed in other areas of the game and I should've went for lily may or others
Stop investments in cecia. All beginers mistake
Why they don't buff Atalanta?
The bosses in new ss are not really in Harak favor. Illucia can hit really hard with less allies survive, Thalassa cant be hit by melee heroes. I dont think Harak is good against Crazed Shellbrute and Plague Creeper summons are too many for a single target dmg dealer like Harak
“Harak dominated all over her (Talene).” 😮😮
Where is Bonnie ?????
wont pull any scamgazer till the twin release
I’m skipping that shark guy, he seems like a temporary S+