When you hate Brits so freaking much that the Germans seem friendly by comparison. Remember that Germany did try sending rifles and munitions to Ireland in 1916, pre-Rising. But lots of people forget that.
with Ireland, everything is associated with green. The Irish consider green to be a lucy color. There was a fascist group in China during the 1930's called the Blueshirts organized the Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek
@@Kitiwake The Irish national flag is green, white and orange. The green I think symbolizes the Roman Catholic Church; the orange symbolizes Protestantism; while the white symbolizes peace and unity among the two religions; the hopes that Catholic Ireland and Protestant Northern Ireland will reunite and create a united Irish state. I doubt that it will ever happen. OT The King of England's royal standard has a golden harp over a blue field on the bottom left of the quarter which was supposed to represent Ireland, but now it represents Northern Ireland; the first and fourth quarters of the standard have each have three golden lions over a red field, while the second quarter represents Scotland with a red lion over a golden field. OT Some critics say that blue not green represents St. Patrick who they say wore blue robe. But people, at least in the United States go all out with the wearing of the green on St. Patrick's Day. What Irish state is a golden harp of a blue background? The country is golden Brian Boru harp of a blue background? How could a country be a harp?
The German National Socialist gov also financed at least 3 films on Ireland with a direct pro Nationalist bias directed by Leni Reifenstahl the famous female national socialist film director
Also, Eire was a very catholic country and the church over the centuries had been intertwined with the national struggle against English rule. Very few Irish supported socialist anti-clericalism in Spain and Russia.
@fortificationenjoyer1919 youre on this mad flex thinking irish people throughout history have hated english people but its complete bullshit just because YOU hate the english doesnt mean all irish pople did You were a part of the british empire when all the atrocities were commited Your hands arent clean If you really value history you would know that but
I'm 40yrs of age from a mining town in the north-west of England. My grandparents and their ancestor's slaved in coal mines or cotton mills. I didn't endure that life and was lucky enough to find a career in sport. I've searched my lineage with my siblings, and all we found is that we have a deep-rooted heritage of being working class british people. Without wanting to draw an outrageous amount of abuse my way, could I please ask how we are to blame as poor working class people born on an island for the atrocities of Lords, Ladies and Politician's of yesteryear? Surely pointing detest to 'The Brits' is rather broad brushing us all for something that we and our ancestors had no part in.
I understand what you are saying but there were a LOT of atrocities committed in Ireland by brits - and not all of those british were lords and ladies - the length of time (approx 800 years) right up until 2007 when the british army finally moved out, is also a factor! Thats a long time being persecuted by one nation ie the brits! You and your kin might not have been directly involved but you have to be able to see it from the point of view of the victims! Was every German responsible for the Nazi party? Yet the hatred for the Germans is quite strong in britian, even today - and the hatred for the French it quite strong too - it would be hypocritical of you to not see the point of view of the Irish!
For the most part, Irish people don't hold working class people accountable at all, as you all suffered too. Unless they start spewing songs about the empire and whatnot. I personally only feel my skin crawl when I am in the presence of too many London accents.
Hitler actually viewed the Irish with favour from a racial perspective. In 'hitlers table talk' he includes the irish as potential colonists in the east. In 'a time of war' it mentioned how the Irish were the same race as southern germanics. It mentions how much 'anglo saxon and norman blood' is present among the population. Nordicism did not begin with Hitler. He based his views a lot on Madison grant who viewed the Irish as mostly nordic, with Mediterranean elements in the south and west.
0 mediterranean influence in Ireland. More influence in scandinavian country due to the viking raids into africa seeking for an i quote "african bulls" Yep its crazy
I have to laugh at republicans who criticize the wearing of the Poppy and all that it stands for.. These people dont consider the fact that if Hitler had won the war Ireland would have been invaded by the Nazis as it was of considerable geographical importance as it was Europe's mains staging post to the Americas.. Republicans should be on their knees thanking the great British Tommy for what they saved us all from..
Fascism was popular in many countries in the 1930s, especially in Italy, Spain, Poland, and Hungary. The National Socialists usually denied being fascists because their roots were different (their roots lay in the anti-Semitic Volkish movement). Italian fascism was originally supported by many J*ws.
Anti semitism is not ordinarily associated with the far right. National socialism was an exception. It is the far left that has increasingly been the vehicle for anti semitism.
@@willie2761 Anti semitism has existed at some point through all of Europe but Britain escaped most of the worst excesses. Surprisingly one of the most anti semitic nations, given the relatively small Jewish population, is Ireland. Not just your standard Catholic attitudes towards Judaism, but a pogrom of all things in Limerick at the beginning of the 20th century, incredibly anti semitic justification in the Dail for not accepting Jewish orphans post war, tacit approval of Nazi Germany, and more than happy to give shelter to Nazis post war. Even today the current hysteria over Israel makes you wonder if much has changed.
That would be an interesting video but the limerick soviet wasn't the first social experiment in Ireland, Carlow had one years before it comprised three different areas of rural carlow, one area still exists but is in no way socialist the place name is Bilbo named after the city bilbao which was a haven for socialist thinking in the late 19th and early 20th century
Painting De Valera as a nazi sympathiser purely is inaccurate. Through Benevolent Neutrality throughout the war he allowed the Allies use of certain air bases, especially to land American troops, he arrested crashed German pilots in Ireland whereas he sent those from the Allies back to Britain, he also gave his condolences at the death of FDR. Its clear that De Valera wanted to stay in the good graces of both sides of the war while arguably leading towards the British side more than anything. This could be down to Ireland still technically being on dominion status at the rime but such actions still don’t suggest a fondness or sympathy of the Nazi regime beyond that of maintaining good relations.
I wrote my Leaving cert history paper using that book as a source, O'Duffy did however do quite a bit of exageration, he wasnt sent home because Franco no longer needed him although that is true, but instead because Franco had grown tired of him and the Irish's lackluster performance and drinking
My mother's cousin was a blue shirt. She would have good chuckle when she spoke of him. He used to lover parading around in his uniform, She said he loved dressing up. He eventually turned up in England, after the War and made fortune in the civil engineering business. He never told anybody in England about his fascist ( please don't attempt to say they weren't ) connection - it wouldn't have gone down well to well. My mother would say 'He might have made fortune, but I bet he still loves dressing up. She would n't say what he loved dressing up in - that sort of stuff wasn't talked about back then- it gave her a good chuckle though.
Great Video. Well researched. Good to focus on the Spanish Civil War as people from Ireland supported the Nationalists from a religious perspective or the Republicans from an ideologcial perspective. Interesting to the see the links to modern Irish politics as well.
The iron fist of de Valera’s government and the hard back hand of Archbishop McQuad’s Catholic Church took good facist care for the decades that followed.🫤
This shouldn’t be forgotten. But neither should the contribution from individual Irish people to the Allied war effort. My grandmother moved from Ireland to the UK to work as a cook on a British army base. There she met my grandfather, they fell in love and got married.
Ireland? Isn't that what they to call that place that turned into the dumping grounds for other countries immigrants they don't want? What's its called now again?
To be fair to Oswald Mosley, he spoke out against the Black and Tans, supported Ireland in every regard, and was one of the few who stood up for Irish rights. If any man deserves a little leeway in Ireland, it’s Oswald Mosley.
Poor analysis of de Valera in the Second World War -he was open in his desire from the start for an Allied victory as were most Irish people . In fact considered academic research is pretty unanimous about the exceptional level of cooperation afforded by the Irish government to the Allies during the War -albeit officially secret.
No. Ireland did not nearly go fascist. The Blueshirts were a significant and highly visible movement in the 1930s. However, they were never able to present any kind of threat to the highly popular government of the Fianna Fáil party led by Éamon DeValera. Fianna Fáil won most of the elections and held government office for most of the time from 1932 to 1973; the Blueshirts were a historical footnote by 1939.
There was never a serious attempt by the Germans to invade Ireland. Nor was there any significant popular support for the Axis in Ireland. Any flirtation with "Fascism" was with the Franco variety ie conservative, catholic and anti-communist. Not at all with the radical perversion of socialism that was German Nazism or Italian Fascism. They were very different movements. The Nazis hated Jews. Mussolini and Franco were completely indifferent to them. The former certainly had a fair few Jewish women share his bed and also had senior Jewish members in his party. There were very few Jews in Spain at the outbreak of the war (Spain's hysterical hatred of Jews on religious grounds in the late middle ages had seen to that). But surprisingly, perhaps, Franco's Spain was a haven for Jews escaping France during WWII. No Jews were ever handed over to the Nazi or Vichy authorities from Spain. Also, Spain's adamant refusal to join the war on the Axis side probably saved Britain in 1940-41. Just think what would have happened if Franco had allowed the Germans or Italians to take Gibraltar by allowing them to traverse Spanish territory? The war in North Africa would have been over in early 1941, six months before Russia joined the war and nearly a year before the Americans did. All the "evidence" pointing to Irish support for Nazis is insignificant .Like: WOW!! There were TWO irishmen who joined the SS after being captured! That's not a trend; it's a blip. De Valera had no love for Churchill or the British in general but there was no way he was picking a fight with the British Empire. He wasn't mad gone on the Germans either.
Collins called O’Duffy “the best man in Ulster” lol . Certainly not a view held within Ulster Nationalism at the time . Just shows how piss poor Collins’ opinion was when it came to the North in terms of military leaders
Inaccurate. There are two independent sovereign countries in Ireland. These facist Blue Shirts recruited from and existed solely in the Irish Free State (republic of Ireland today), it never existed in Northern Ireland.
Listen, obviously fascism is not defendable but after going through what we went through with the Brits I don’t feel like we can be blamed for not wanting to be on their team….
@@Guitarpeacepic20 years before they were at war. Churchill was responsible for the Black and Tans and partition. They were in a trade war with them a handful of years before the war. Why would they join the Brits or anyone?
The Catholic Church in Spain had sided with the right-wing fascists, so it is no wonder they ended up being killed. It is normal to have reprisals against suspected enemies. Franco was more ruthless.
There *is* a connection, albeit a small one. Roger Casement traveled to Germany in 1914 to acquire guns for the IRA. He stayed a while, and presumably, this is where our good relations come from.
@@JordanPowerYT Baron anti-Trump.... lol, I'd have a field day dedicating a channel to 'expose' him , let's mildly put it. I'm curious as to what category you promote your clips under when you upload?I've been doing 'News'... Do you use Education > I tried that one but it looks complex. I can't understand why YT doesn't show enough smarts to have a 'History' category.
@@BaronsHistoryTimes I don't think I've ever used a category tbh, I've wondered would that damage view count since the video would then only be promoted to a specific audience?
@@JordanPowerYT - hmmm, interesting. I think I'll experiment with my next couple of uploads and ignore using a category - your point is logical and one which I completely overlooked as a potential audience-restricting factor.... ps. I uploaded a new short an hour ago.... Normandy/American history > can't get much more general history than that one; let's see how it fairs. thanks for the info too 😳
Hunger strikes in Ireland go very far back. I don’t know who the first hunger strikers was but it has been a tradition under extreme situations going back many hundreds of years
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3] There's the definition of fascism. Stop calling everyone you disagree with facists or else nobody will believe you when they do show up.
i was reading an account recently of incidents around the village of innishannon in west cork during this period . the village was a stronghold of both the republicans and blueshirts. and their was a lot of fights and other disorder between the 2 groups. including at least 1 murder in the area.
Wow you're right, I never heard of that. It's funny how a lot of it seemed to be centered in Cork. Even during the war of independence and civil war, Cork seemed to be the epicenter for most of it.
@@JordanPowerYT Famine impacted West Cork more than anywhere else big part of the reason, that and remoteness leading to clannishness ... exists to this day
@@MartinMartinm 1900 Queen Victoria visited Cork City .. such was the welcome the British Press dubbed Cork "Loyal Cork" 1920 the very same British Press now dubbed Cork "Rebel Cork" We are the rebels and we are the boys who beat the black and tans!
Part about reasons for spanish civil war and "Franco saving spain from communism" are old talking points of Franco regime propaganda. Communist Party of Spain had little relavance before the uprasing and real power was held by PSOE which wasnt close to being so radical as communists. The rapes and mass murder hapenned mostley after the start of the war when clergyman offered their support on mass to the nationalist cause. The acts of violence against the church before july 1936 were sporadic and not nearley as brutal as you described.
The 'Red Terror' in Spain started long before Franco's attempted coup, it's not like Franco woke up one morning and decided to do it for no reason. You're right it wasn't as bad before, as compared to what happened after, but it was still horrifying. Nice pfp.
The Bolsheviks were only a part of the Russian revolution too, but afterwards they were able to weasel into absolute power. With the communists getting full fledged support from the Soviets, in Spain, and the Republicans only getting nominal aid from the Democratic countries, if Franco lost Spain would've gone Red quicker than a Commie's face when he says "Real socialism has never been tried"
@michaelfarren, In Newry, before Churchill became Prime Minister and UK Minister for Defence, the British Minister for Defence met the Eire Minister for Defence. The meeting confirmed the relations between the UK and Eire if war ensued between the UK and Germany. Eire was fully active during the war on behalf of UK and its allies, notably the USA. 3 of my uncles won Atlantic Stars, another uncle oversaw the return to the UK of crashed RAF planes and dead UK and US airmen. UK, US, Canadian and Norwegian naval personnel were welcomed in Moville - one Philip Mountbatten was one such.
Errrr...I thought the Blue shirts were in imitation of the Falange in Spain, set up by Diego, son of Primo de Rivera, King Alfonso's first Minister. As the Scots looked up to France, "The Auld Alliance", the Irish looked up to Spain.
Is Eoin O'Duffy unfairly judged? What would happen if he took power? Also, I forgot to mention at 13:10 that 'Bandera' was the name of the battalion. ___ Edit: I should note I simplified bits of Irish politics for any non-Irish viewers, especially those who think the IRA = right wing just because they were nationalist. Socialism has long been part of the IRA. Also, as someone else pointed out, the IRA did split during the Civil War, and De Valera sought to integrate former members from his side who were anti-treaty, but again I didn't go into it as to avoid going off topic. Irish politics from 1916 up to the 30s can be confusing even to the best of us with all the different factions and ideologies.
What's all this talk regarding Ireland? BRITAIN has been/is more fascist than Ireland. It was britain who together with the local reactionaries overthrew the Republic and established the 26 county 'free' state and the 6 county statelet based on settler terror. "If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organisation of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, landlords and financiers." (James Connolly)
@@Apple-om5mr please explain to me how irish nationalism that seeks too free itself from the shakles of britain is bad? This has nothing to do with nationalism and everything to do with the people who are nationalist. An irish person has no history but the oppression too look back on and an englishman has nothing but oppressing to look back on. Of course their developments are wildly different, although sometimes history gets very convoluted and it still turns out in a way people weren't expecting, like polish nationalism deriving into fascist asthetics. Humans are dynamic and putting a label on the concept of supporting their nation and what they stand for ignores what they actually individually stand for
In my (unfortunate) experience, many Irishmen I’ve met that are of the more nationalist sentiment tend to hold very casually antisemitic views (especially justified by the war in Gaza and following October 7th). I wonder if that is a holdover from this era of Irish politics.
What exactly is"fascism"? No one definition fits the stereotype. That Mussolini was the inventor of fascism gives us the characteristics that could be applied to a whole bunch of historical leaders doesn't help much. To claim that Duffy is similarly incorrect in that he didn't rule a country. It appears today to merely be an attempted slur against someone you doing like. That's all. As for Duffy, can't say i ever even met him.
Thats an interesting question. fascism is quite a flexible belief system. That can be moulded to local conditions or beliefs. There isn't a single rulebook like communism has with Karl marxs the communist manifesto.
I read it before in Tim Pat Coogans book, I cant remember the exact quote. Nonetheless its fairly common knowledge De Valera couldnt stand the thought of Britain winning
to say Franco started the war over throwing the "communist" government is just stupid. he overthrew a liberal democracy and took that liberalism to its extreme: fascism.
That’s complete nonsense. The socialist and communist had overturned Democracy in Spain . Franco tried being diplomatic with them . He didn’t even want a war but at that point the Marxist didn’t want it. And fascism and liberalism are not the similar
I always thought fascism is the extreme ideology of social democracy, not liberalism. I was always under the impression that the extreme form of liberalism is libertarianism
Eh not really during the war, at least not once we joined it. It also was never truly popular enough to actually have a major effect on government, though stuff like America first certainly did, but wasnt (at least entirely) facist
@raffles7556 I'm not sure why you're laughing, they're everywhere in Ireland...even the so called anti fascists are fascists here. They're international socialists these days.
There is no tangible connection between Fine Gael of today and the Blueshirts, The Blueshirts were Christians Nationalist, anti Abortion, anti gay marriage, anti trans ideology. Fine Gael today are anti Irish, Anti Catholic and EU Unionists, the Blueshirts faded to a sickly Pinkshirt.
The Irish fascist Blueshirts.... The only army in the whole history of warfare. That went off to fight for the fascist Gen. Franco in Spain and came back with more men, that when they left...😂😂😂😂
1) England and France didn't support the Spanish Republicans. They adhered to the Non-Intervention agreement. 2) O'Duffy's men directly faced the Irish fighting on the Spanish Republican side at the battle of Jarama.
The Republicans got support from them at first, particularly a lot from France, to the point where the Nationalists were actually stealing the aid because they weren't getting enough from Germany and Italy. There was plenty of back channel aid from Britain to the Republicans I maybe should have said the Soviets instead of Britain though, as they helped more, but I don't really consider the Soviets to be European.
@@JordanPowerYT certainly true Blum in France had sympathy for the Republic and the Left in the UK did a lot to aid them. Interesting perspective to see the Soviets as non-European. However they are labelled, they definitely went into it to serve Stalin's own interests. Depending on who you read, they took what was the world's 2nd or 3rd largest gold reserves in return for 'help'. Then they stabbed the rest of the Left (CNT, POUM etc) in the back behind the lines. I think Mexico was the only other nation that gave formal support (?). Franco was far smarter at getting foreign support (Condor Legion, Italian infantry, American oil companies) without reciprocating much later on (The Blue Division on the Eastern Front in WW2 and that's about it). Hitler said he'd rather have a tooth pulled than talk with Franco again.
Fascism was very fashionable all over Europe in the 30s, most countries had a fascist party, Britain and Ireland were no different. Hitler didn't think Jack s**t of us Irish and we were on his hit list along with the blacks and romas.
The opposite, Irish were considered superior Aryans by National-Socialist Germany, with Herr Hitler ordering the Kriegsmarine to not sink very specific Irish ships, and the Irish being one of the only two nations who sent their condolences to the German embassy after Hitler killed himself. The Irish hate the British so much, that they side with the worse savages f humankind in order to feed that hate.
When you say Franco was trying to "save Spain from Communism" are you saying that that's how fascists saw it? Or are you presenting that as fact, as a fascist?
Yes because the left in Spain at the time totally weren’t free masons and communist radicals that committed massacres on the regular.and had no policies to actually help Spain
Irish neutrality would not have saved ireland , if there had been a german victory . Most germans just saw them as Western British . They spoke English , they looked English , or at least British and their culture , barring Disneyfied Irish customs , was still basically British . The Georgian architecture of Dublin , the decent Irish , who were in the vast majority , would have risen up and given the germans a big headache . Ireland had nothing in common with nazi germany , unlike the Baltic States , Croatia , Romania , Bugaria , etc. The fate of Ireland , would have had more in common with the occupied states of Czechoslovakia , Poland , Greece , etc .
@@psycho8927 The control and occupation of ireland would mean , the control of the Western Approaches . German airfields in the far west of Ireland would mean it would be far easier to attack cargo ships from the US bringing food , arms and ammunition . The agricultural potential of Ireland also would not have gone unnoticed . But as Operation Sealion failed to take place , the germans could or would not have one without the other .
@@psycho8927 And you believe the words of that lying demon ? As long as Great Britain and its empire existed , he would never feel secure . May be a few years after the victories in Europe and Central Asia , he would turn on Britain and attempt to destroy his old enemy . The British Isles include Ireland , so he may have attempted a job lot . This would surely have brought Canada , Australia , New Zealand , South Africa and possibly much of India against germany , but being no great military commander , he would not have considered the consequences . In the end he believed his own propaganda , always a fatal mistake . Ireland would have been turned into a feudal agricultural state of 2 or 3 million peasants working the land .
@psycho8927 that was his initial plan in the late 30s but not by the time all out world war broke out. Only the pressure from the Russians in the east and the eventual arrival of America into the war prevented this.
They were not fascists. They adopted some of the theatrical trappings of fascism which was not uncommon in Europe at this time but their beliefs were very much Irish Catholic nationalism. Lets not forget that American schoolchildren gave the Bellamy salute to the American flag right up to 1942. In case you don't know this is identical to the Roman salute.
Oh Please!!! 1) Ireland didn't "lean heavily into Fascism". Quite the contrary. The veneer of Fascism that was sprinkled over the Blueshirts and O'Duffy's other star vehicles may have come from outside (straight arm salutes, militarist clothing, half-hearted attempts to mimic the "Heil Hitler" greeting) but the core motivations for the Blueshirts came from within Ireland itself and the tensions and traumas that are inevitable in any post-revolutionary society. A more accurate description of the Blueshirts was "pudgy farmers bellowing about cattle prices" than the malevolent, racist, Jew-baiting of the Nazis. Accusing the Blueshirts of being fellow travellers with the likes of Hitler is just wrong. 2) And leading on from that, your throwaway comment that Hitler and Mussolini were O'Duffy's "idols" [15:05] has no basis in fact. It's contradicted even in your own video when you describe O'Duffy's attendance at an "International Fascist Conference" in 1934. Your graphic helpfully shows the other countries who were represented by delegations there. One of the big absentees was, er, Germany! Despite Hitler being in power there at the time!! Curious, eh? You did at least have the grace to say that O'Duffy roundly denounced anti-semitism and racism in general at that conference. As a devout catholic, he may have held dim views on Jew's religious outlook, but anti-semitism has nothing to do with religion. it's out and out racism. Hitler didn't give a damn whether a Jew attended synagogue or not; it was their heredity that made them Untermenschen in his eyes. You say that O'Duffy admired Mussolini rather than Hitler. Maybe, but his real idol was Franco, who may have been an anti-democratic, murderous, militarist thug,. But he was no Nazi. His regime's sheltering of many Jewish refugees from Vichy France showed that. 3) On the Blueshirts in general. O'Duffy attended that international Fascist conference AFTER he left the Blueshirts. They then merged into Fine Gael whose opponents to this day denounce them derisively as the Blueshirts. Isn't it ironic then, that the leader of Fine Gael during the Second World War wanted his party to support Ireland's entry into the war on the Allied Side, in stark contrast to De Valera's determined neutrality? No mention of that, eh? Maybe it contradicts your agenda. 4) And finally. Small point but try and pronounce the word three properly. It's three not TREE. You're disgracing us. And in Irish, try to pronounce Cumman na nGaedhal a little more accurately. If you can't get your tongue around some of the more challenging diphthongs of our native language then at least Cumman na Nail is more accurate than Cumman na Gale.
Republican Spain was not communist, it was a democratically-elected liberal democracy. And no, Franco did not "save millions of Christians". Quite the opposite, during the first stages of Franco's regimes, about a million people died or were killed due to starvation or oppression from the fascist government. Additionally, about half a million Spaniards fled Spain during Franco's takeover.
The blues hits took their inspiration from mussolinis blackshirts, but they were not quite as extreme, they were actually ultra Conservative most were mostly very pro Catholic and very anti socialist. O'Duffy was also a homosexual so as such wasn't really a fascist, he was actually just a horrible bollocks. FG were formed from three organisations of which the blueshirts were only one, the party views O'Duffy as an embarrassing moment in their history and evolved into a social Liberal party but have now lost their identity and are no different to FF now. Prediction for the future, FF and FG will merge and will remain in government for the foreseeable future.
Some of the rhetoric here is very dangerous. I encourage you to engage more critically with your sources (and cite them). History is not just about telling stories from the past. History is about interrogating narratives, interpreting them, and importantly, engaging responsibly with your sources. Anyone can read a few books and parrot back what they have read. Please have a look out there for instances where poor historiography have resulted in pervasive and damaging myths, or misconceptions. Likewise, please make an effort to improve your own historiography, and better yourself as a historian. As one, you have more power than you may think, we all bear an enormous responsibility as historians, professional or amateur.
@@Oakeedokee7 sounds like critical theory to me. The bits about, “history is about interrogating narratives, interpreting them… anyone can read a few books and parrot back what they read” .
@@gussygrom8047 we must learn from history, yes? So many people in Ireland are not really doing this, either doesn't care, or a legitimate commie or a legitimate self proclaimed neo nzi nowadays. So imo, op has a point about this is said channel.
When you hate Brits so freaking much that the Germans seem friendly by comparison. Remember that Germany did try sending rifles and munitions to Ireland in 1916, pre-Rising. But lots of people forget that.
The Germans sent rifles to both sides, UVF in NI and IRA. the Germans didn't care as long as the UK was in turmoil and they were making money.
There brain dead
Ha ha, yeah blame the British for everything
The germans also supplied the unionist side, so they were nothing more than gun suppliers for both sides.
They did not care about the Irish at all they just wanted to use us as a distraction for their war
The Irish fascist Blueshirts should've been called the Greenshirts.
They were, later on
with Ireland, everything is associated with green. The Irish consider green to be a lucy color. There was a fascist group in China during the 1930's called the Blueshirts organized the Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek
@@67nairb the Irish state is a golden Brian Boru harp of a blue background. Plus the colour of saint Patrick and that of Irish royalty is also blue.
@@Kitiwake The Irish national flag is green, white and orange. The green I think symbolizes the Roman Catholic Church; the orange symbolizes Protestantism; while the white symbolizes peace and unity among the two religions; the hopes that Catholic Ireland and Protestant Northern Ireland will reunite and create a united Irish state. I doubt that it will ever happen.
OT The King of England's royal standard has a golden harp over a blue field on the bottom left of the quarter which was supposed to represent Ireland, but now it represents Northern Ireland; the first and fourth quarters of the standard have each have three golden lions over a red field, while the second quarter represents Scotland with a red lion over a golden field.
OT Some critics say that blue not green represents St. Patrick who they say wore blue robe. But people, at least in the United States go all out with the wearing of the green on St. Patrick's Day. What Irish state is a golden harp of a blue background? The country is golden Brian Boru harp of a blue background? How could a country be a harp?
Fascist just love a good uniform don't they
They hate gays but love being flamboyant.. suspicious if you ask me
So do communists, especially the woke ones.
Aye but now days they wear all black and call themselves antifascist.
That's were the word comes because loved loved their fancy uniforms
Not as much as communists
The German National Socialist gov also financed at least 3 films on Ireland with a direct pro Nationalist bias directed by Leni Reifenstahl the famous female national socialist film director
Good for them.
Go figure a bohs fan would have a problem with that.
We are very close to extream, authoritarianism today.
very close to being illiterate there bud.
Never ask:
A woman her age
A man his salary
Irish and Scottish nationalists who they supported during WW2
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A bit disingenuous, most supported the Allies or neutrality...well Teachta Dálas at least. Edit: Actually the public as well.
There was about 100 SNap members then and none of them backed Hitler. They were investigate but not prosecuted.
Both my grandfathers fought in WWII.
Ireland's role in WW2 isn't any kind of secret.
My enemy's enemy is my friend
Also, Eire was a very catholic country and the church over the centuries had been intertwined with the national struggle against English rule. Very few Irish supported socialist anti-clericalism in Spain and Russia.
This is a brilliant video, good job
Thanks!
@@JordanPowerYT your profile picture feels like a oxymoron.
Dont forget that around 200k Catholic Irish fought for the English please
Why mention they were papist?
They dont like remembering that lol believe me
As volunteers or as cannon fodder like the indians? There is a big difference
@@fortificationenjoyer1919 how does it make a difference
@fortificationenjoyer1919 youre on this mad flex thinking irish people throughout history have hated english people but its complete bullshit just because YOU hate the english doesnt mean all irish pople did
You were a part of the british empire when all the atrocities were commited
Your hands arent clean
If you really value history you would know that but
What we have now is SOOOOO much better! Be right back, I need to go move my tent away from the house the asylum seeker got for free
like the lads on leeson street?
Brits out, everyone else in
@@GeoffreyBronson Sounds like a fair deal to me.
@@TonyMacFarlane alhamdullilah
@@GeoffreyBronson The Brits have been expertly dividing Éire for centuries. Geoffrey is a mere amateur.
I'm 40yrs of age from a mining town in the north-west of England. My grandparents and their ancestor's slaved in coal mines or cotton mills. I didn't endure that life and was lucky enough to find a career in sport. I've searched my lineage with my siblings, and all we found is that we have a deep-rooted heritage of being working class british people.
Without wanting to draw an outrageous amount of abuse my way, could I please ask how we are to blame as poor working class people born on an island for the atrocities of Lords, Ladies and Politician's of yesteryear?
Surely pointing detest to 'The Brits' is rather broad brushing us all for something that we and our ancestors had no part in.
I understand what you are saying but there were a LOT of atrocities committed in Ireland by brits - and not all of those british were lords and ladies - the length of time (approx 800 years) right up until 2007 when the british army finally moved out, is also a factor! Thats a long time being persecuted by one nation ie the brits! You and your kin might not have been directly involved but you have to be able to see it from the point of view of the victims! Was every German responsible for the Nazi party? Yet the hatred for the Germans is quite strong in britian, even today - and the hatred for the French it quite strong too - it would be hypocritical of you to not see the point of view of the Irish!
@@Hibernia63Now both of your countries are being over run by third world turds. Well played.
Many irish benefited and part toke in the british empire
@@Hibernia63 fair do's. I'll make sure my kids go to school this morning with a belly full of guilt.
For the most part, Irish people don't hold working class people accountable at all, as you all suffered too. Unless they start spewing songs about the empire and whatnot.
I personally only feel my skin crawl when I am in the presence of too many London accents.
Hitler actually viewed the Irish with favour from a racial perspective.
In 'hitlers table talk' he includes the irish as potential colonists in the east.
In 'a time of war' it mentioned how the Irish were the same race as southern germanics. It mentions how much 'anglo saxon and norman blood' is present among the population.
Nordicism did not begin with Hitler.
He based his views a lot on Madison grant who viewed the Irish as mostly nordic, with Mediterranean elements in the south and west.
0 mediterranean influence in Ireland. More influence in scandinavian country due to the viking raids into africa seeking for an i quote "african bulls"
Yep its crazy
I have to laugh at republicans who criticize the wearing of the Poppy and all that it stands for.. These people dont consider the fact that if Hitler had won the war Ireland would have been invaded by the Nazis as it was of considerable geographical importance as it was Europe's mains staging post to the Americas.. Republicans should be on their knees thanking the great British Tommy for what they saved us all from..
@@Team-fabulous you really have no idea do you
@@ciyrainshgaming507 well maybe some of us don't. Education doesn't appear to be your friend
@@Team-fabulous for your information I'm against the wearing of the poppy due to its connotations towards the troubles not exactly in regards to ww2
Fascism was popular in many countries in the 1930s, especially in Italy, Spain, Poland, and Hungary. The National Socialists usually denied being fascists because their roots were different (their roots lay in the anti-Semitic Volkish movement). Italian fascism was originally supported by many J*ws.
Wasnt unknown in England ( IIRC)
Anti semitism is not ordinarily associated with the far right. National socialism was an exception. It is the far left that has increasingly been the vehicle for anti semitism.
Bro deadass censored jew 😭
Why did you censor "Jew"?
@@willie2761 Anti semitism has existed at some point through all of Europe but Britain escaped most of the worst excesses.
Surprisingly one of the most anti semitic nations, given the relatively small Jewish population, is Ireland.
Not just your standard Catholic attitudes towards Judaism, but a pogrom of all things in Limerick at the beginning of the 20th century, incredibly anti semitic justification in the Dail for not accepting Jewish orphans post war, tacit approval of Nazi Germany, and more than happy to give shelter to Nazis post war.
Even today the current hysteria over Israel makes you wonder if much has changed.
Do you have a "When Ireland Nearly Went Socialist" including the Limerick Soviet.
Never happened
It's gone socialist, in face it's gone totally communist. Taking huge hoards of economic migrants in like all the other western countries.
@22grena doesn't it fit your viewers of history?
That would be an interesting video but the limerick soviet wasn't the first social experiment in Ireland, Carlow had one years before it comprised three different areas of rural carlow, one area still exists but is in no way socialist the place name is Bilbo named after the city bilbao which was a haven for socialist thinking in the late 19th and early 20th century
Ireland has been socialist for the last 30 years
Painting De Valera as a nazi sympathiser purely is inaccurate. Through Benevolent Neutrality throughout the war he allowed the Allies use of certain air bases, especially to land American troops, he arrested crashed German pilots in Ireland whereas he sent those from the Allies back to Britain, he also gave his condolences at the death of FDR. Its clear that De Valera wanted to stay in the good graces of both sides of the war while arguably leading towards the British side more than anything. This could be down to Ireland still technically being on dominion status at the rime but such actions still don’t suggest a fondness or sympathy of the Nazi regime beyond that of maintaining good relations.
I wrote my Leaving cert history paper using that book as a source, O'Duffy did however do quite a bit of exageration, he wasnt sent home because Franco no longer needed him although that is true, but instead because Franco had grown tired of him and the Irish's lackluster performance and drinking
My mother's cousin was a blue shirt. She would have good chuckle when she spoke of him. He used to lover parading around in his uniform, She said he loved dressing up. He eventually turned up in England, after the War and made fortune in the civil engineering business. He never told anybody in England about his fascist ( please don't attempt to say they weren't ) connection - it wouldn't have gone down well to well. My mother would say 'He might have made fortune, but I bet he still loves dressing up. She would n't say what he loved dressing up in - that sort of stuff wasn't talked about back then- it gave her a good chuckle though.
Great story! Did he know O'Duffy personally?
Time is a flat circle
Ireland is just contrarian on the state level.
Great Video. Well researched. Good to focus on the Spanish Civil War as people from Ireland supported the Nationalists from a religious perspective or the Republicans from an ideologcial perspective. Interesting to the see the links to modern Irish politics as well.
There was those who joined The International Brigade.
The Irish have never learned to wear a beret correctly.
You wouldn't see this on the mainstream. Great informative video.
The iron fist of de Valera’s government and the hard back hand of Archbishop McQuad’s Catholic Church took good facist care for the decades that followed.🫤
This shouldn’t be forgotten. But neither should the contribution from individual Irish people to the Allied war effort. My grandmother moved from Ireland to the UK to work as a cook on a British army base. There she met my grandfather, they fell in love and got married.
My uncle, J P O'Brien was a member of the German Abwehr in Dublin. I met his handler in the 1950's. They remained friends until his death.
Wow thats interesting, any personal stories?
Excellent video!
Ireland? Isn't that what they to call that place that turned into the dumping grounds for other countries immigrants they don't want? What's its called now again?
To be fair to Oswald Mosley, he spoke out against the Black and Tans, supported Ireland in every regard, and was one of the few who stood up for Irish rights. If any man deserves a little leeway in Ireland, it’s Oswald Mosley.
Kinda shocking for a staunch British nationalist
Just as long as the Irish didn’t want to go to England
@@jafro8 an invasion would be off the table for at least a couple of years
no he doesnt
@@Alan_Woke ah well, God protect ya.
Great video
And look at Ireland now.
What a shame.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda saved the country.
🤡
The largest non governing fascist movement in Europe.
The Blueshirts were dead by 1936
Poor analysis of de Valera in the Second World War -he was open in his desire from the start for an Allied victory as were most Irish people . In fact considered academic research is pretty unanimous about the exceptional level of cooperation afforded by the Irish government to the Allies during the War -albeit officially secret.
As sinn fenn said
Brits out
3rd world Islamic country's welcome
Fought for Irish identity for decades, and now giving it away to Arabs and Africans. You just make this shit up.
Really living up to their legacy
You all are so unbelievably whiny about immigrants
@@user-ConnorKaroThompson No if I was Irish I wouldn't want any foreigner dictating me, British or not
@@user-ConnorKaroThompsonimmigration is bad
Very interesting video
Very educational video
Eoin O Duffy went for the Brush Shiels look!
Very oddly pro-Franco language used in the civil war segments. Otherwise a good video.
No. Ireland did not nearly go fascist. The Blueshirts were a significant and highly visible movement in the 1930s. However, they were never able to present any kind of threat to the highly popular government of the Fianna Fáil party led by Éamon DeValera. Fianna Fáil won most of the elections and held government office for most of the time from 1932 to 1973; the Blueshirts were a historical footnote by 1939.
There was never a serious attempt by the Germans to invade Ireland. Nor was there any significant popular support for the Axis in Ireland. Any flirtation with "Fascism" was with the Franco variety ie conservative, catholic and anti-communist. Not at all with the radical perversion of socialism that was German Nazism or Italian Fascism.
They were very different movements. The Nazis hated Jews. Mussolini and Franco were completely indifferent to them. The former certainly had a fair few Jewish women share his bed and also had senior Jewish members in his party. There were very few Jews in Spain at the outbreak of the war (Spain's hysterical hatred of Jews on religious grounds in the late middle ages had seen to that). But surprisingly, perhaps, Franco's Spain was a haven for Jews escaping France during WWII. No Jews were ever handed over to the Nazi or Vichy authorities from Spain.
Also, Spain's adamant refusal to join the war on the Axis side probably saved Britain in 1940-41. Just think what would have happened if Franco had allowed the Germans or Italians to take Gibraltar by allowing them to traverse Spanish territory? The war in North Africa would have been over in early 1941, six months before Russia joined the war and nearly a year before the Americans did.
All the "evidence" pointing to Irish support for Nazis is insignificant .Like: WOW!! There were TWO irishmen who joined the SS after being captured! That's not a trend; it's a blip. De Valera had no love for Churchill or the British in general but there was no way he was picking a fight with the British Empire. He wasn't mad gone on the Germans either.
Excellent video 👌 subscribed 💯
Makes sense why it has so many pro-Russian tankies now.
Not pro russian tankies, just lunatic replacement conspiracy theorists.
And now look at us , set to become a minority in our own country in twenty years, but at least we're not fascist...right!
Collins called O’Duffy “the best man in Ulster” lol . Certainly not a view held within Ulster Nationalism at the time . Just shows how piss poor Collins’ opinion was when it came to the North in terms of military leaders
Inaccurate. There are two independent sovereign countries in Ireland. These facist Blue Shirts recruited from and existed solely in the Irish Free State (republic of Ireland today), it never existed in Northern Ireland.
Are you northern ?
Listen, obviously fascism is not defendable but after going through what we went through with the Brits I don’t feel like we can be blamed for not wanting to be on their team….
Does Ireland ever stop blaming England for there actions?
@@Guitarpeacepic does England ever take responsibility for their action
@@Guitarpeacepic20 years before they were at war. Churchill was responsible for the Black and Tans and partition. They were in a trade war with them a handful of years before the war. Why would they join the Brits or anyone?
@@icemanire5467 it’s better than joining Hitlers side surely?
@@Guitarpeacepicno way
The Catholic Church in Spain had sided with the right-wing fascists, so it is no wonder they ended up being killed. It is normal to have reprisals against suspected enemies. Franco was more ruthless.
And look at how prosperous Europe is now after defeating the Fascists! Oh wait...
Lmao europe is one of the best places in the world to be stop yapping
Irish and Germans are brothers in blood. Friends for life!
Ironically you say that in this video smh you must not know your history
I’m Irish and live in Germany, there’s no connection. Just Germans who want whiskey and green hills.
Bro meined too much kamph
There *is* a connection, albeit a small one.
Roger Casement traveled to Germany in 1914 to acquire guns for the IRA. He stayed a while, and presumably, this is where our good relations come from.
More of this please, great video 👍☘️
They are still fascists.
Thanks - a solid informative video once again 😆
Thanks Baron Trump!
@@JordanPowerYT Baron anti-Trump.... lol, I'd have a field day dedicating a channel to 'expose' him , let's mildly put it.
I'm curious as to what category you promote your clips under when you upload?I've been doing 'News'...
Do you use Education > I tried that one but it looks complex.
I can't understand why YT doesn't show enough smarts to have a 'History' category.
@@BaronsHistoryTimes
I don't think I've ever used a category tbh, I've wondered would that damage view count since the video would then only be promoted to a specific audience?
@@JordanPowerYT - hmmm, interesting. I think I'll experiment with my next couple of uploads and ignore using a category - your point is logical and one which I completely overlooked as a potential audience-restricting factor....
ps. I uploaded a new short an hour ago.... Normandy/American history > can't get much more general history than that one; let's see how it fairs.
thanks for the info too 😳
@@BaronsHistoryTimes No problemo! Maybe check out r/NewTubers aswell, for small RUclips channels. I'll watch your video.
Hunger strikes in Ireland go very far back. I don’t know who the first hunger strikers was but it has been a tradition under extreme situations going back many hundreds of years
Hunger Strikes go back to the pre-Norman Brehon Laws!! One of Ireland's less well-known exports
Not sure how reliable everything discussed in the video really is
I mean Ireland wasnt close to being facist
Have you seen the current government.
@@alanconway3647 shush Alan Conway u absolute jokeman living off millions
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]
There's the definition of fascism. Stop calling everyone you disagree with facists or else nobody will believe you when they do show up.
@@alanconway3647 What do you think fascism means. And what makes you think the current government is in anyway fascist.
@@conortobin6180"facism is when something I don't like"
Thank you
i was reading an account recently of incidents around the village of innishannon in west cork during this period . the village was a stronghold of both the republicans and blueshirts. and their was a lot of fights and other disorder between the 2 groups. including at least 1 murder in the area.
Wow you're right, I never heard of that. It's funny how a lot of it seemed to be centered in Cork.
Even during the war of independence and civil war, Cork seemed to be the epicenter for most of it.
@@JordanPowerYT Famine impacted West Cork more than anywhere else big part of the reason, that and remoteness leading to clannishness ... exists to this day
@@JordanPowerYT I read once that the blueshirt movement was at its most active in areas that had been anti treaty in the civil war.
They don't call it the republic of Cork for nothing 😂😂
@@MartinMartinm 1900 Queen Victoria visited Cork City .. such was the welcome the British Press dubbed Cork "Loyal Cork"
1920 the very same British Press now dubbed Cork "Rebel Cork"
We are the rebels and we are the boys who beat the black and tans!
Part about reasons for spanish civil war and "Franco saving spain from communism" are old talking points of Franco regime propaganda. Communist Party of Spain had little relavance before the uprasing and real power was held by PSOE which wasnt close to being so radical as communists. The rapes and mass murder hapenned mostley after the start of the war when clergyman offered their support on mass to the nationalist cause. The acts of violence against the church before july 1936 were sporadic and not nearley as brutal as you described.
The 'Red Terror' in Spain started long before Franco's attempted coup, it's not like Franco woke up one morning and decided to do it for no reason. You're right it wasn't as bad before, as compared to what happened after, but it was still horrifying.
Nice pfp.
The Bolsheviks were only a part of the Russian revolution too, but afterwards they were able to weasel into absolute power. With the communists getting full fledged support from the Soviets, in Spain, and the Republicans only getting nominal aid from the Democratic countries, if Franco lost Spain would've gone Red quicker than a Commie's face when he says "Real socialism has never been tried"
I wonder if De Valera sent his condolences to the millions of people that Hitler and his sidekicks gassed and otherwise murdered?
@michaelfarren,
In Newry, before Churchill became Prime Minister and UK Minister for Defence, the British Minister for Defence met the Eire Minister for Defence. The meeting confirmed the relations between the UK and Eire if war ensued between the UK and Germany. Eire was fully active during the war on behalf of UK and its allies, notably the USA. 3 of my uncles won Atlantic Stars, another uncle oversaw the return to the UK of crashed RAF planes and dead UK and US airmen. UK, US, Canadian and Norwegian naval personnel were welcomed in Moville - one Philip Mountbatten was one such.
Errrr...I thought the Blue shirts were in imitation of the Falange in Spain, set up by Diego, son of Primo de Rivera, King Alfonso's first Minister.
As the Scots looked up to France, "The Auld Alliance", the Irish looked up to Spain.
Is Eoin O'Duffy unfairly judged? What would happen if he took power?
Also, I forgot to mention at 13:10 that 'Bandera' was the name of the battalion.
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Edit: I should note I simplified bits of Irish politics for any non-Irish viewers, especially those who think the IRA = right wing just because they were nationalist. Socialism has long been part of the IRA.
Also, as someone else pointed out, the IRA did split during the Civil War, and De Valera sought to integrate former members from his side who were anti-treaty, but again I didn't go into it as to avoid going off topic.
Irish politics from 1916 up to the 30s can be confusing even to the best of us with all the different factions and ideologies.
Bandera is loved by Ukrainians currently infesting Ireland. We are importing fascists. But you probably support that.
bandera means flag in spanish. its used in the spanish army to mean battalion
Yeah, and it's used in hungarian to mean: traitorous bootlicking sellout😆
What's all this talk regarding Ireland? BRITAIN has been/is more fascist than Ireland. It was britain who together with the local reactionaries overthrew the Republic and established the 26 county 'free' state and the 6 county statelet based on settler terror.
"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organisation of the Socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, landlords and financiers." (James Connolly)
you know 0 on fascism. Start again bro
great content
Ireland is a good example of a new country trying to find itself. We tried out a few different things and thankfully left this behind.
Unfortunately
Fascist scum @@Soulsociety2005
Sadly yeah, now look at you. Dying language, immigration nightmare and still not united.
Rome is in italy, italy was in the axis
For most of the war
VOLJETI SVOJU DOMOVINU NIJE FAŠIZAM NITI RASIZAM NE MOŽETE VOLJETI.ONOGA KOGA VAM NETKO ODREDI
Patriotism isn't racist,
Nationalism is.
@@lunkycultist5519i mean nationalism isnt inherently racist (though it is bad), but often goes hand in hand with it
@@Apple-om5mr please explain to me how irish nationalism that seeks too free itself from the shakles of britain is bad? This has nothing to do with nationalism and everything to do with the people who are nationalist. An irish person has no history but the oppression too look back on and an englishman has nothing but oppressing to look back on. Of course their developments are wildly different, although sometimes history gets very convoluted and it still turns out in a way people weren't expecting, like polish nationalism deriving into fascist asthetics. Humans are dynamic and putting a label on the concept of supporting their nation and what they stand for ignores what they actually individually stand for
In my (unfortunate) experience, many Irishmen I’ve met that are of the more nationalist sentiment tend to hold very casually antisemitic views (especially justified by the war in Gaza and following October 7th). I wonder if that is a holdover from this era of Irish politics.
Very casually anti plastic Joo you mean...
Strange I've seen the exact opposite
What exactly is"fascism"?
No one definition fits the stereotype.
That Mussolini was the inventor of fascism gives us the characteristics that could be applied to a whole bunch of historical leaders doesn't help much.
To claim that Duffy is similarly incorrect in that he didn't rule a country.
It appears today to merely be an attempted slur against someone you doing like. That's all.
As for Duffy, can't say i ever even met him.
Thats an interesting question. fascism is quite a flexible belief system. That can be moulded to local conditions or beliefs. There isn't a single rulebook like communism has with Karl marxs the communist manifesto.
Hyper Nationalism with a hatred of outsiders and a strong tolerance for violence. Great political camouflage for psychopaths and the criminal class.
@@bouse23 Doctrine of Fascism:
Totalitarian Nationalism.
Fascism is a form of national syndicalism with a strong influence from Catholic social teaching
Are there sources for some of these claims? Like at all? Especcially with regard to DeValera "holding out for axis victory"?
I read it before in Tim Pat Coogans book, I cant remember the exact quote.
Nonetheless its fairly common knowledge De Valera couldnt stand the thought of Britain winning
New sub, number 587.
Very interesting.
Fascists in charge now
It is now
Scotland,England,Wales and Ireland need to forget the past and unite against new threats
True lad , from donegal lad
We need to unite against the threats of globalism.
@@Shay-bp7yt unless there shams 😂
its hard to forget the past when the english are still on our island
@@ericp0012ah shut up will you
Makes you wonder how things would've been if we did
to say Franco started the war over throwing the "communist" government is just stupid. he overthrew a liberal democracy and took that liberalism to its extreme: fascism.
That’s complete nonsense. The socialist and communist had overturned Democracy in Spain . Franco tried being diplomatic with them . He didn’t even want a war but at that point the Marxist didn’t want it. And fascism and liberalism are not the similar
I always thought fascism is the extreme ideology of social democracy, not liberalism. I was always under the impression that the extreme form of liberalism is libertarianism
No, your ideology is just stupid. Spanish government in 1936 was communist and they killed lot of people, that's the truth you cannot accept.
Listen...Fascism was at one time a political movement in many country: America too during the war.
But how popular was it really in all those places?
Eh not really during the war, at least not once we joined it. It also was never truly popular enough to actually have a major effect on government, though stuff like America first certainly did, but wasnt (at least entirely) facist
Some sources would be nice so people can dig in further
@@JordanPowerYT sweet will check it out, can you give me your sources for this video though, it's a pretty interesting topic to dig further into
Much better than what runs Ireland today. At least these fellows loved their own.
Me when I'm delusional:
Good timing. Only yesterday Leo Varadka (up to a few weeks ago the Fine Gael leader) called himself a "blue shirt".
They haven't gone away you know.
Lol
@raffles7556 I'm not sure why you're laughing, they're everywhere in Ireland...even the so called anti fascists are fascists here. They're international socialists these days.
There is no tangible connection between Fine Gael of today and the Blueshirts, The Blueshirts were Christians Nationalist, anti Abortion, anti gay marriage, anti trans ideology. Fine Gael today are anti Irish, Anti Catholic and EU Unionists, the Blueshirts faded to a sickly Pinkshirt.
They're worse than ever
I don't know about Leo being a blue shirt, but he does like to lift shirts if you know what i mean.
nearly?
Does this make me like AH more or dislike Irish nationalism more? the first one
Ireland almost went socialist too.
The Irish fascist Blueshirts.... The only army in the whole history of warfare. That went off to fight for the fascist Gen. Franco in Spain and came back with more men, that when they left...😂😂😂😂
Never make fun of a brave man who stands by his beliefs, regardless of which side they are on. Especially from behind a computer.
There where an army from the Romanian Iron Guard as well.
Ireland has a facist state right now , who has declared war on its people.
What amazing Irish history who knew thanks
1) England and France didn't support the Spanish Republicans. They adhered to the Non-Intervention agreement.
2) O'Duffy's men directly faced the Irish fighting on the Spanish Republican side at the battle of Jarama.
The Republicans got support from them at first, particularly a lot from France, to the point where the Nationalists were actually stealing the aid because they weren't getting enough from Germany and Italy.
There was plenty of back channel aid from Britain to the Republicans
I maybe should have said the Soviets instead of Britain though, as they helped more, but I don't really consider the Soviets to be European.
@@JordanPowerYT certainly true Blum in France had sympathy for the Republic and the Left in the UK did a lot to aid them.
Interesting perspective to see the Soviets as non-European. However they are labelled, they definitely went into it to serve Stalin's own interests. Depending on who you read, they took what was the world's 2nd or 3rd largest gold reserves in return for 'help'. Then they stabbed the rest of the Left (CNT, POUM etc) in the back behind the lines. I think Mexico was the only other nation that gave formal support (?).
Franco was far smarter at getting foreign support (Condor Legion, Italian infantry, American oil companies) without reciprocating much later on (The Blue Division on the Eastern Front in WW2 and that's about it). Hitler said he'd rather have a tooth pulled than talk with Franco again.
It could well embrace fascism if the flood of " immigrants" isn't checked.
O Duffy was also a closet homosexual and left Ireland under a cloud of this hanging over him.
I’m a mad history nerd but didn’t know Moseley house is about 10 minutes from me!
Fascism was very fashionable all over Europe in the 30s, most countries had a fascist party, Britain and Ireland were no different. Hitler didn't think Jack s**t of us Irish and we were on his hit list along with the blacks and romas.
Blacks werent even remotely on hitlers list. Maybe far down.
No you weren't lmao
Demented take.
@martindennehy3030
The irish was not on any "hit list". Youre spreading lies.
The opposite, Irish were considered superior Aryans by National-Socialist Germany, with Herr Hitler ordering the Kriegsmarine to not sink very specific Irish ships, and the Irish being one of the only two nations who sent their condolences to the German embassy after Hitler killed himself. The Irish hate the British so much, that they side with the worse savages f humankind in order to feed that hate.
When you say Franco was trying to "save Spain from Communism" are you saying that that's how fascists saw it? Or are you presenting that as fact, as a fascist?
Yes because the left in Spain at the time totally weren’t free masons and communist radicals that committed massacres on the regular.and had no policies to actually help Spain
Now Irelands support of Hamas makes a lot more sense.
It is a wonder
Israelite shill spotted.
we support the Palestinian people cause we know what its like to be subjected and oppressed
@@rianmacfarlane6990nah, we just love virtue signals
We did...it was called church and state in those days...
Irish neutrality would not have saved ireland , if there had been a german victory . Most germans just saw them as Western British . They spoke English , they looked English , or at least British and their culture , barring Disneyfied Irish customs , was still basically British . The Georgian architecture of Dublin , the decent Irish , who were in the vast majority , would have risen up and given the germans a big headache . Ireland had nothing in common with nazi germany , unlike the Baltic States , Croatia , Romania , Bugaria , etc. The fate of Ireland , would have had more in common with the occupied states of Czechoslovakia , Poland , Greece , etc .
Total nonsense Germany had no intention of invading Britain let alone Ireland
@@psycho8927 The control and occupation of ireland would mean , the control of the Western Approaches . German airfields in the far west of Ireland would mean it would be far easier to attack cargo ships from the US bringing food , arms and ammunition . The agricultural potential of Ireland also would not have gone unnoticed . But as Operation Sealion failed to take place , the germans could or would not have one without the other .
@@samsum3738 Germany never even had war games for the invasion of Britain it was AH main principle never to get rid of the the British Empire.
@@psycho8927 And you believe the words of that lying demon ? As long as Great Britain and its empire existed , he would never feel secure . May be a few years after the victories in Europe and Central Asia , he would turn on Britain and attempt to destroy his old enemy . The British Isles include Ireland , so he may have attempted a job lot . This would surely have brought Canada , Australia , New Zealand , South Africa and possibly much of India against germany , but being no great military commander , he would not have considered the consequences . In the end he believed his own propaganda , always a fatal mistake . Ireland would have been turned into a feudal agricultural state of 2 or 3 million peasants working the land .
@psycho8927 that was his initial plan in the late 30s but not by the time all out world war broke out. Only the pressure from the Russians in the east and the eventual arrival of America into the war prevented this.
Thank heavens for Kneecap
They were not fascists. They adopted some of the theatrical trappings of fascism which was not uncommon in Europe at this time but their beliefs were very much Irish Catholic nationalism. Lets not forget that American schoolchildren gave the Bellamy salute to the American flag right up to 1942. In case you don't know this is identical to the Roman salute.
Yes they are and you are so wrong
Keep pushing right 🇮🇪
Oh Please!!!
1) Ireland didn't "lean heavily into Fascism". Quite the contrary. The veneer of Fascism that was sprinkled over the Blueshirts and O'Duffy's other star vehicles may have come from outside (straight arm salutes, militarist clothing, half-hearted attempts to mimic the "Heil Hitler" greeting) but the core motivations for the Blueshirts came from within Ireland itself and the tensions and traumas that are inevitable in any post-revolutionary society. A more accurate description of the Blueshirts was "pudgy farmers bellowing about cattle prices" than the malevolent, racist, Jew-baiting of the Nazis. Accusing the Blueshirts of being fellow travellers with the likes of Hitler is just wrong.
2) And leading on from that, your throwaway comment that Hitler and Mussolini were O'Duffy's "idols" [15:05] has no basis in fact. It's contradicted even in your own video when you describe O'Duffy's attendance at an "International Fascist Conference" in 1934. Your graphic helpfully shows the other countries who were represented by delegations there. One of the big absentees was, er, Germany! Despite Hitler being in power there at the time!! Curious, eh?
You did at least have the grace to say that O'Duffy roundly denounced anti-semitism and racism in general at that conference. As a devout catholic, he may have held dim views on Jew's religious outlook, but anti-semitism has nothing to do with religion. it's out and out racism. Hitler didn't give a damn whether a Jew attended synagogue or not; it was their heredity that made them Untermenschen in his eyes. You say that O'Duffy admired Mussolini rather than Hitler. Maybe, but his real idol was Franco, who may have been an anti-democratic, murderous, militarist thug,. But he was no Nazi. His regime's sheltering of many Jewish refugees from Vichy France showed that.
3) On the Blueshirts in general. O'Duffy attended that international Fascist conference AFTER he left the Blueshirts. They then merged into Fine Gael whose opponents to this day denounce them derisively as the Blueshirts. Isn't it ironic then, that the leader of Fine Gael during the Second World War wanted his party to support Ireland's entry into the war on the Allied Side, in stark contrast to De Valera's determined neutrality? No mention of that, eh? Maybe it contradicts your agenda.
4) And finally. Small point but try and pronounce the word three properly. It's three not TREE. You're disgracing us. And in Irish, try to pronounce Cumman na nGaedhal a little more accurately. If you can't get your tongue around some of the more challenging diphthongs of our native language then at least Cumman na Nail is more accurate than Cumman na Gale.
How am I supposed to pronounce three? And how can I avoid "disgracing" you in future oh wise one?
Republican Spain was not communist, it was a democratically-elected liberal democracy. And no, Franco did not "save millions of Christians". Quite the opposite, during the first stages of Franco's regimes, about a million people died or were killed due to starvation or oppression from the fascist government. Additionally, about half a million Spaniards fled Spain during Franco's takeover.
The blues hits took their inspiration from mussolinis blackshirts, but they were not quite as extreme, they were actually ultra Conservative most were mostly very pro Catholic and very anti socialist.
O'Duffy was also a homosexual so as such wasn't really a fascist, he was actually just a horrible bollocks.
FG were formed from three organisations of which the blueshirts were only one, the party views O'Duffy as an embarrassing moment in their history and evolved into a social Liberal party but have now lost their identity and are no different to FF now.
Prediction for the future, FF and FG will merge and will remain in government for the foreseeable future.
He did look a lot like Ernst rohm 😂😂 batty boys
Some of the rhetoric here is very dangerous. I encourage you to engage more critically with your sources (and cite them).
History is not just about telling stories from the past. History is about interrogating narratives, interpreting them, and importantly, engaging responsibly with your sources. Anyone can read a few books and parrot back what they have read.
Please have a look out there for instances where poor historiography have resulted in pervasive and damaging myths, or misconceptions. Likewise, please make an effort to improve your own historiography, and better yourself as a historian. As one, you have more power than you may think, we all bear an enormous responsibility as historians, professional or amateur.
Are you a Marxist?
@@gussygrom8047 what about this screams Marxist to you?
@@Oakeedokee7 sounds like critical theory to me. The bits about, “history is about interrogating narratives, interpreting them… anyone can read a few books and parrot back what they read” .
@@gussygrom8047 we must learn from history, yes? So many people in Ireland are not really doing this, either doesn't care, or a legitimate commie or a legitimate self proclaimed neo nzi nowadays.
So imo, op has a point about this is said channel.
Nothing wrong with Nationalism.
Except for the parts wrong with it))