Trans Athlete Controversy at High School Track Meet
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- Aayden Gallagher, a boy who identifies as a girl, finished second overall in the girls' 200m and 400m races at the Sherwood Need For Speed Invitational in Oregon. While the viral video only shows the heat stirring the most controversy, I provide extra context as a former track & field athlete to highlight why this is such a big deal.
Aayden's times would have finished 61st in the boys' 200m and 46th in the boys' 400m. I also discuss inherent biological differences between male and female track athletes. For example, the varsity boy who won this meet in the 200m had a time that was only two-tenths of a second behind Flo-Jo's world record 200m time.
To those who believe Aayden should be allowed to compete with the girls, please consider the following: Whose spot did he take from his own school in order to compete at this meet? Who missed the lifetime memory of a podium finish? It appears this will only end when female athletes refuse to compete, and their parents raise the issue with school administrators. It's terrible that this seems to be the only path forward, girls deserve an opportunity to compete on a fair playing field.
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He is slow. I was used to doing 16 x 200 25 sec intervals along with the rest of my team mates in HS. This insanity is being forced on everyone. Leave the women alone.
That is very fast
Yeah bro if your gonna be trans atleast be fast
@@TripleA_D no i meant flashgordon6013 to maintain 25 second pace for 16 intervals. i can barely hold 30, but again i dont run track LOL
He's running my 400 pace💀
He gave up some position and time thinking he was going to get away with it🧐
He can't even win the girls race? What a loser.
He intentionally slowed down coming to second because of the backlash. Did you see how far ahead he was? He could have gotten first place easy. You aren't understanding what's going on. I ran track in highschool also.
@@thedarksideoftheforce6658 Aight but do you support Trans people competing in Women's Sports?
It's different heats, meaning that he won his heat, but he didn't get the best time. (But yea, he genuinely should've gotten 1st)
He shouldn’t have been in the race at all wth? I can’t believe the brains of yall that are ok with this
@@itsBuckeyeDK I didn't say I was or was not okay with this, but I will tell you now- It is terribly wrong for a "Trans" Person to compete. It is stupid and I genuinely hope Our Government stops corrupting humans.
So your daughter tells you there is a guy in the locker room and you say . ... Honey you need to stand up to him or we can leave?!?
We shouldn't stand up to a guy ... get him out
Just over a year ago, World Athletics set clear regulations on a similar issue regarding the levels of testosterone allowed in female athletes in order to compete at IAAF meetings and the Olympics.
First and far most, we need to protect female sports and be fair to all the girls and ladies competing. Thus, the regulations to protect women sport.
Lia Thomas transitioned in her junior year in College.
-- I am an AAU worth swimmer & an old coach. Swimming and Track & Field are comparable.
-- To have the greatest female Runners, Swimmers & Jumpers not being able to compete fairly? is very demoralizing.
-- People have threatened to harm themselves if they can not compete with the girls..... This is not competing? This is not fair.
-- No one should be stopped who can compete - but - If I take a test that I already know the answers to & I've studied? This is fair but it is not A surprise to the success of the knowledge or the level of accomplishment.
You keep saying it's not fair! What is fair? A British concept like queuing?
Leah Thomas was ranked around 300th place for mens and 1st for womens, how is that fair?
@@Love4Animals2654 She was ranked top 10 and had school records for the mens team. Don't believe the hate mongering conservative media.
man i was at this meet and I thought I mat have noticed this but wasnt sure. The winner of the boys 200 is my teammate
This pisses me off that's is not fair because that dude should be competing in the mens 100 meter sprint not into women's.
If the transitioning is done after puberty , that is how I understand it , it becomes an unfair advantage. One of our Canadian athlete , Bishop, missed out on a bronze medal in the 800 meter to such an athlete , life changing loss .
If the transitioning is done before puberty the male still has a much higher bone density than females.
HAHAHA a 55 400m? OMFG I think I ran that the first time I ever ran a 400, totally untrained for it
They are only trans because they are slow asf I run that during my 400 twice and the second one is faster
what time did Aayden run in the final where Aayden finished 2nd? did Aayden get beaten or did he run a lesser time on purpose?
There's an athlete who I'm pretty sure is trans that goes to most of my meets. I'm not 100% sure, but she always does amazing and she just doesn't look 100% transitioned. Plus, I heard some girls from her team being confused about what pronouns to use. I'm definitely for trans people, I'm non-binary myself, but I do think there should be rules about this.
They should have to be on hormone therapy for a designated amount of time (note: many trans people already are), like, two or three years at minimum. The first thing I think is: what if they haven't gotten to that mark yet? (this could also be the reason Aayden wins girls races but would totally lose boys races, she might have started hormone therapy but not long ago). I've always thought for there to be a category for intersex people and transitioning transgender people. This could very well be possible in larger meets, but in my rural meets, she's like, one of two girls that do weirdly well and look weirdly non-female and that's just not possible. If there aren't enough people to make that category possible, they'd just have to compete with the boys. Maybe they could practice with the girls, maybe even run with the girls at co-ed meets (as long as their results are compared to the boys results).
This is one of the weirdest things in terms of trans acceptance in my opinion. It's the only one that's not completely obvious, and I don't think it's a black and white problem of do we make all trans people compete with those with the same biological sex no matter how transitioned they are or do we let all trans people no matter how transitioned they are choose whether to run with the boys or the girls. Nearly all regulations in place (that I know of) essentially are one of these sides. And one day, I hope there is a way to regulate this so that it is fair to both cisgender athletes and transgender athletes.
The hormone therapy aspect isn’t the only one. Even being on estrogen doesn’t change the fact that you retain the biological advantages of lung capacity, wingspan, bone density & structure, etc. post-transition.
@@jessicanolan7408 That is a good argument. And I'm not saying like "but there's no evidence" but I really want a study done on that for some reason now
But that's unrelated. Yeah, you have a point there. I'd love to know how much exactly that would affect it because there's not many fully transitioned trans women out there competing. Like, to fully transition takes quite a while, it'd have to be a career by the time they finish I bet, and the likelihood of one of the few people doing this as a career being a trans woman (if you know of any let me know) is pretty low. So that might not be something that can be known (but just a very random thought)
edit: okay this became dominated exactly by "but there's no evidence", TL;DR, you have a really good point there and i'm now very curious how that would actually affect performance and upset that thats probably not a thing that can be researched well
Ridiculous! Let him identify as a 61st place unaccomplished BOYS runner. HE does not deserve to be in a race with WOMEN! Period. He can identify as whatever IFF the track - do the work as the person you ARE and deal with the outcome.
What are his times like against guys his own age?
Men are better in every athletics event than women except for 1 which is marathon swimming distances. Even that is biological due to women's body compo making them a bit less drag in the event which surpasses the male athletic advantage over those distances. I really hope this is corrected and remembered as a huge mistake, where the burden of proof should have been met before altering women's sports. It would be like if someone intentionally got bad grades in order to compete and win in the special Olympics, and the athletic advisors just allowed them to compete until it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they and like 1000 other people that started doing the same thing all had an unfair advantage.
dude or not he/she is not really running that fast, so ya know pick it up ladies
Thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the truth of God for a lie.
No it not fair and biologically we know that it’s not fair
Solution is simple. You compete with who you are born with.
Or you make them run with the para athletes
Leave girls alone
The parents need to galvanize and support their daughters in boycotting the race at the starting line. Let the imposter(s) run the race by themselves.
couple of questions was Aayden the only trans runner in the field that race ?
@AndyWitmyer so no slow fat lazy white trans athletes? I mean how would we know if they were in the back of the pack? Aayden is not exactly breaking records. In any case if you want to pretend you care about women's sports, advocate for these athletes’ access to birth control (including abortion/termination) and vigorously & vocally advocate for title nine enforcements. Look, there must be a way for this tiny fraction of the field to be accommodated while ensuring there is a level playing field. This is a strange phenomenon but the attention from sooo many people seems NOT to really be about sport but about their bigotry. You run a marathon against a Kenyan, you’ll lose, you will. Is it fair ?
This you didn't envy as a result of your violation of the idea and the heavenly religions
Just say dude swimmer, dude runner
Thats how far i was ahead at eing field day.
Cheating and losing is embarrassing. He should be banned from competing for the rest of his short career, he wouldn’t even qualify for women’s in college if he decides to cheat again.
Cry about it😭
and he still slow
Slow as F**k.
The problem as always seems to be that the categories used by sports federations just haven't been updated to conform with current understanding.
and you seem to be half the problem in this understanding by repeatedly saying "boy" in a "girls" race, things have actually moved on from this understanding and your lack of acceptance of this is ironically what hold you back from making any progress, refusal, anyone's refusal to accept this new categorization... IS the problem!
The problem isn't that there's a girl running in a girls race, or a woman running in a woman's race, or a man running in a mans race, the problem you're highlighting (but doing it very poorly) is that there aren't "cis" girl/women/boy/men categories in sport, and the current categories do not differentiate between a cis woman and a trans woman (example).
I don't think you even have the slightest clue what you should be advocating for... so achieving your goal... it's going to be impossible for you.
The current categories don't need to differentiate between all the crap you're talking about, just make and female, because you're only born as one, and cannot be the other, ever. A 3rd or more categories isn't going to solve this either. You're part of the problem.
Runners who placed second and later are very slow for girl's standard too. They are like over 30 seconds for 200m? 25 second is fast, but this image isn't a good representation of whatever the "biological advantage" folks here are insisting.
Someday there will be an actual elite-level transwoman athlete that will completely blow away all the records in whatever sport. So far we have only had average athletes transition and even they end up among the winners competing as a girl. It may be awhile as most of those transiting have their focus on that and not training at the intensity necessary to reach their potential in sports. Actually, hopefully, it will never happen because everyone puts an end to this nonsense.
Twist, maybe he did it to make a statement about trans in women’s athletics
The TRANS ATHLETES should be encouraged to compete in the SIDE EVENTS, such as the MIXED RELAYS, STEEPLECHASE, and "athlons" (triathlon, pentathlon, decathlon). (The Trans Athletes could seriously win all the SIDE EVENTS, and nobody would worry... LOL 😅) The Coaches need to take the initiative, and appropriately direct MIXED GENDER ATHLETES to MIXED GENDER EVENTS.
Not how mixed”races works buddy and it doesn’t change the fact that that is a dude
you know there are not alot of black girls running there.....i mean the black girls are very well represented in the 200m podiums, so ya know run faster
So ya know just be the gender you were assigned at birth it’s that easy
@@magnusrylander there are fast women right now in Gabon & Somolia and the DRC with no access to birth control & no protection from rape who but for that would be breaking records.....maybe spend your time on THAT...frankly it is always the closeted gays who have the most to say (aka you)
It would be proper if all trans athletes have their own separate competitions.
how do you compete in the girls section as a man and still lose twice??
He threw the last two events because of the backlash from him smoking the first. It's just a game to him. He is a subpar athlete who cheats to win. And his karma is coming.
You still have to be a good athlete as a male to beat EVERY girl in track. It's not like your average joe can run faster than talented female athletes
@@ianmccurdy1223 true but if youre gonna switch at least win its not like he was running as a man
Threw a race indeed and Karma is around the corner 😤
So if you are a good athlete as a guy, race guys then. What’s your business upsetting girls, that’s horrible and completely killing womens sports. I hope all biological girls show up and show out😤
Of course it's not fair. It's ridiculous that this is even allowed.
I was both at the Sherwood Need for Speed Classic 2 weeks ago as well as an event that went down yesterday called the Dean Nice invitational, and I saw him run each time. First, I’d like to say that Sherwood is a massive meet in our area, and at the time I was comparing it to a pre-state meet. I have zero doubt that every girl in his heat had worked incredibly hard to get to where they were, but that’s even more so at this later (smaller) meet, where he stole gold. Yesterday, he ran in the top heats for the 200, 400, and 4x400, and came 1st for the first two. Now not only is this again incredibly unfair to those athletes, of course, but it’s also unfair to the TEAMS. I don’t want to dox myself, but two wins is 20 points, and that’s a ton. That’s all I’ll add. He’s wreaking havoc, and I wish I could embarrass him in a race but he’s too cowardly to compete on the men’s level
I saw a trans female compete in middle school hurdles. He was so far ahead that he intentionally slowed down midway to reduce attention on him. He still finished way ahead.
this is wrong there is mens sports and womens sports for a reason
I did not realize this happened around the corner from me. I live 12 minutes away from Sherwood High School. This is unacceptable and not fair to those young ladies!! Thank you for sharing the video.
It's Portland. You folks vote for this. Sadly, women, overwhelmingly support the party pushing this. I don't know why we're supposed to feel sorry for them.
This came back and bit women in the derrière 😤 Still guys should not be racing girls.
@@susansmith493 But the vast majority of those high school girls don't even vote. It's not their fault.
That person is slow asf
fr adult doin over 21 seconds??? embarrassing ngl
@@division_one_gambler dude 21 seconds is like top 15 in america for boys
@@nickryan4346 ok? he ran a 26
@@division_one_gambler I’m not saying he’s fast you just can’t be expecting a sub 21
@@nickryan4346 Yeah, you're right. Sub 21 is a little fast, but at least sub 24
You ever heard of the girl who came out as a trans boy who joined the boys team and dominated the boys? NEITHER HAVE I!
Happens all the time. Chris Mosier, Ness Murby, Schuyler Bailar
@@Beccarobyn Nope. All a one way street. You don’t see any women pulling a 180 from what Lia Thomas did
@@Beccarobyn all your “examples” aren’t significant like the countless examples of men “coming out” in order to compete on a much lower level to feel good. This is the next disgusting era of participation trophies
@@Beccarobyn “Ness Murby” despite coming out with he/him has still only participated in the women’s Olympic sporting events
@@Beccarobyn you know what all your examples have in common apart from no golds in the men’s events? They all were successful in winning against women in the very beginning. All the men like Lia Thomas and this runner that “came out” all were mediocre at best in their events but managed to dominate when “coming out.”
It"s not fair at all.
Middle schoolers are running 25’s
That was a high school meet
Yeah someone last week at my middle school track meet ran a 23 sec. 200m and this is why I don't sprint and I do distance 😂
i ran 24.81 in 8th grade FAT lmao
The county winner in my 8th grade league ran a 24.57
It gives the thinking away when someone races. This individual knows she has an advantage the is not fair. If she was taking drugs, she would be disqualified. She is using another performance enhancing approach and that is grounds for disqualification. This is not about her right to be who she is. This is cheating at a sport.
Aayden is a biological male, not a she. I don't care how many dresses Aayden wears, you can't change his biology.
X/Y = MALE
I totally agree with you. There are parents and women and girl athletes trying to do something. They have even spoken to Congress. They need to take this statistical proof and example you have given here to back them up. I mean really. High school boys have a time commensurate to Olympic women athletes. And yet, many feel this is okay. The trans can have a division of their own.
Agree 💯 No hesitation on that one. These guys will never compete in the Olympics against biological women. The world will not let it happen. Women will boycott and they will then be open races for everyone. Then we will need to start all over again.
I totally agree. Best they don't compete until the unfairness stops.
Nobody talks about V02max , the bodies ability to transport and disperse oxygen to the muscles. A man naturally has about 10% higher Vo2max than a woman across the board. This won’t change with transitioning from man to woman. They “men” will always have a huge advantage over women.
Yep. Wingspan, bone density, lung capacity, bone structure are all bio male advantages that are retained - so people need to stop saying “oh but they’re in estrogen” as if it’s some sort of “gotcha”.
Excellent analysis!! I currently coach the HS track/Cross Country team for a middling D3 school and this loser couldn't even make it on my Varsity squad for the boys, but he would be several seconds ahead of my best girl in the 400 and a full second ahead of her 200m time. This trend of letting biological males compete against the girls is downright criminal! I agree, everyone deserves to compete, but not at the expense of fairness. I still say the proper solution is to create a third category so we have boys, girls and other. It will be a long, uphill slog for the "other" category to gain relevance...just like what women have gone through over the past several decades to earn their own relevance. No free lunch and no short cuts!
Everyone deserves to compete and unfair for guys to compete against girls. I agree, there should be other category. Decisions should not favour one side and completely disregard the other - girls.
i don’t even train track and i run a pretty similar time brother fr slow
Most women vote for this.
I agree with you 💯
The results speak for themselves. Utterly disappointing. Also great comparison with High performing women and Varsity highschool boys. I run 4:23, 1:57, and 52. Not quite at their level but close for a senior.
Thanks for caring ❤
I Stand With You!
to be fair, she isn't that fast for a high school girl, any good high school girl is about 24 ish and she ran a 25
Except its a dude that has a biological advantage over every girl there. If he wants to compete he should race with the boys and get his 60th place finish.
This really has gotten the wrong kind of attention. Everyone is focusing on the wrong things here. She’s not in girls events “because she’s slow,” but there is actually a problem here. She does have a biological advantage and should not compete in girls events until she’s been on HRT for at least a couple years and has testosterone levels that are normal for a woman. The problem I see with the comments here are the unrelated bashing of trans people not in relation to fairness in sports. If you care about fairness in sports, keep it about that.
Women aren’t men, end of story. You can pump yourself up with drugs but you will never be the other gender. Use the right pronouns next time.
Who cares about this level or that level. If they have gone through puberty then they should compete with the boys. Otherwise join the debate team
I find it hilarious that my comment was deleted for speaking the truth, what a word we live in
Continue to speak the Truth. The Truth shall be clear again and again
Hrt doesn’t mean anything when “she” will retain the wingspan, bone density, and lung capacity of her old gender.
It's a legit issue, but it's also important to mention that most trans or intersex people are not competing in women's sports. They just want to be treated respectfully.
I fully agree ! Normal testosterone levels for females range from 15 to 70 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL) of blood.The level for men is 300 -1000 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL) of blood. Therefore anything above 70 nanograms is an advantage. This is so unfair.
I did the hundred yards, lol. Not meters. And the 220 yards, not meters.
The idea of refusing to compete is so unfair to any girl sitting out. There is so much prep for the race. It’s not like she woke up that morning and decided to start running track.
@@Nonybusinessxxxxxx It's easy to be callous with other people's money. Are you doing anything for this cause? Or are you just telling young people they need to sacrifice?
It's completely unfair. His parents should be ashamed of them selfs. I'm glad my daughter did go to this race.
and he was holding back
Did the high jump too.
It’s crap
The problem is the weak parents and the schools allowing it.
SHE ... Not He.... In the entire video, you mis gender Her.
WHEN EXACTLY did high school principals and school administrators gain the unilateral power to decide what is MALE and what is FEMALE???? This is how LOST we are as a NATION.
A lot of it stems from the International Olympic Committee's 2015 guidelines stating males could declare themselves as female and begin competing after maintaining testosterone levels under a set level for 12 months. I'll have a video out on this soon.
Then boycott until they fix it. Start a women’s only league.
Leave women alone
If you think that little boy should be competing with those girls you are sick and should be jailed!
Did you watch the video...
I would be careful with calling the individual "he," I'm not a stickler for pronouns, but I feel that many people might upset if the pronouns you used were incorrect.
He's a HE because that's what he was born as. 👍
you know there are not alot of black girls running there.....i mean the black girls are very well represented in the 200m podiums, so ya know run faster and once we get folks who look like Brittnney Grinner in the pool records there will drop, swim faster
Saw him race yesterday at Hayward. It’s clear that it is a man and spandex. He’s not even fast either
Exactly, whose place did he take. Have a completely separate division not putting him with the girls.
this guy is super slow btw, my schools jv track runs 25. most teams have everyone on the team able to run under 25
I am so very proud of any "Trans" person, The fear, the commitment, the courage to announce to the world that you are not what society and biology deem you to be.Live Your Life... I must also state that athletic competition is not where you should showcase the person that you are. Why not a Trans League?
i suppose the problem with that "trans league" is that reinforce the reality that these people dont want to see. If they want to be treated as what they tell the world they are, then a special league wont do it. They need to participate on the female league to confirm their delusion.
That’s actually a great idea I think they should make a trans league so people stop complaining and threatening to harm these athletes and also so they feel comfortable and not like an outcast.
@@Soul_Bornsounds cool, but wouldn't that still present an issue where trans females are competing with trans males and the natural biological differences create unfair advantages for the females? Even beyond that wouldn't there be massive incentive for a biological male to transition as minimally as possible in order to win events? It's much more complicated than just grouping people together is what i'm saying. We don't have regulations or a gauge to maintain the integrity of fair competition since we're playing with something we don't fully understand yet and produces wildly inconsistent results in different people. We'd need a standard for what a "full" transition is, and even then i'm sure there's questions to ask
I like that idea too, plus then it also allows intersex athletes to compete with similarly-performing peers. However, in some places that category would be like, 5 people.
@@ariatheroyal it goes against what trans people want. It reinforces the fact that they are not what they claim to be.
We just want to see girls racing amongst themselves not race against boys.
No, he got first in the 200. They have him on the podium as 1st place.
As a female Masters Athlete, i agree 100%
He finished in second place in two events because he was sandbagging.
I found his ig 😭 he rolled ah a male. 25 not even winnin in 2a
what a travesty. why is this even allowed to happen. Its a bloke. racing against kids. Is he a child molester
Please Stop. He is only making himself second. He can come first if he wants to.
He stole that second place from a girl who worked hard for it.
Should never been there in the first place.
Can't the girls run a bit faster ? I mean records have been dropping since the '60s
It varies by high school or meet. The unfair advantage would still exist regardless.
The average varsity high school runner is better then average college female runner.
@@zayywyd7832 exactly...the women can (and will) run faster, women have not been competing that long in the modern era…AND many countries/cultures/religions restrict or condemn woman for participating in sports. and come on now, you are telling me that the Kenyans, Ethiopians, Jamaicans and African Americans don't have a biological advantage, please look at any professional sports team and any Olympic podium, just a coincidence that it is dominated by these groups ? But look, the trans population is a tiny fraction of the total pop., less of the competitive sport pop., can we not find a way to accommodate this strange phenomenon with compassion for all? Give them an asterisk or their own division. I also wonder why no one seems to know how many trans athletes were in that field that day, no other trans or many? I can’t believe there are no slow trans athletes. And in this particular case nobody was really that fast and the trans person came in second overall.
F off! Males should not be competing against females.
Trans should not compete in the women category
I think the fathers of these girls need to take a stand against males competing against their daughters. Shut the track meet down and have a race with your girls after the official event where the male in the field can run by himself. The educational officials who foist this garbage on us are dispicable.