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The Powers are just Chad warrior class angels and it's pretty fucking rad when you stack them alongside all the other oddities in the Christian pantheon.
I just imagine Lorgar kneeling broken and defeated before a reborn divine Emperor right before the killing blow comes down. "I told you so..." Says Lorgar. "....Damn it Lorgar!" Says the Emperor.
You know the more I hear this theory about the Emperor and his potential as a Chaos god I wonder if Chaos miscalculated and have perhaps created a more dangerous foe in the long run.
Could be worse, if the Emperor is Malal's creator that he will use to fight the chaos gods and make Malal the rightful ruler of the warp so him and the imperium can traverse safely into the warp to conquer all the xenos races in the galaxy.
That is debatable, essentially what they have done is forcing the Emperor to play the great game, as oppossed to isolating humanity from the warp. Whereas the isolation would eventually severely weaken the gods, perhaps even back to a non-sentient, or at the very least non-sapient state, the great game is eternal, and in its perpetuitity empowers its participants. They may have made the game more complex by creating another player, but considering the gods of chaos are far from a unified force themselves, it is equally an opportunity for them and their ever shifting allegiances.
I don't think the Emperor would be a "chaos" god. IMO he'd become the first (and possibly only) "order" god. Much like how Khorne represents rage and bloodlust, Nurgle represents decay and disease, etc, the Emperor would represent order, discipline, and compliance.
If you end up revisiting the 'Emperor is a Chaos god' theory, don't forget to mention that the Chaos worshipers of the Sanguinary Worlds in the Sabbat sector revere the Emperor as a rouge Chaos God (from The Anarch).
@Historical Icons That is one of the talking points of the debate, but the subject is typically referred to as 'Is the Emperor a Chaos God. My personal view is that the Emperor is (now) an entity apotheosed into godhood, but the Chaos Gods are archetypal expressions, and thus a very different category of deity.
Perhaps living saints can exist in the material realm longer than greater daemons because the Emperor exists in both the material realm and warp space unlike the chaos gods who exist in the warp.
Another reason could be willingness. The Greater Demons of Chaos are basically a condensed clusterfuck of wild energy that gets hit by Nullification. That's like a bowl spinning on a stick filled with Oil and Water and someone throws a baseball at it. The Celestials on the other hand are Daemons of Order, if you will. Getting hit by a nullification field would be like an icefield that gets parted by an icebreaker. Painful, and it cracks a bit, but the icefield doesn't sunder.
I’d love to see a parodical perspective-flip story in which the poor citizens of a chaos world get infiltrated by imperial cultists who use their unholy faith to summon a bright crusade into the realm of eyespace, where the champions of chaos valiantly hold the line against hordes of skull-faced fiery legions of that blasphemous god-emperor, led by the dreaded greater demon known as “the saint” who casts feathery fury upon those brave/foolish enough to stand against her.
@@zensempai7371 Minotaur living saints? Celestine: Hey, maybe we need to be more strategic with our holy fire projectiles to aid our Emperor's servants. Minotaur Saint: That is not what the High Lords decrees! BLAAMMMM!
I hope to see Living Saint Sigismund one day, just to freak the hell out of Abbadon. After all it would be poetic justice to have him slay the Warmaster and fulfill his last words in the process
I think that given there are no accounts of living saints before the Emperor was put on the Golden Throne (increasing his presence in the warp) would suggest that they are in fact Imperial Daemons.
I would say that Living Saints are the Emperor's daemon princes/princesses. Most seem to originally be mortal servants of the Emperor. Like how the chaos daemon princes were mortal servants of the chaos gods.
though the emperor is still alive and not a full god yet so he cant just spam deamons like they can though a intersting thing is the entity imperious appearing to imperial faithful like the corpse imperor but fully cyberneticized in a mechnical room of gold and steel in my view that entity is the god emperor the fusion of the omnissiah and god empeor faiths
@@wilmagregg3131 Well the throne is not fully terran tech, i believe it has some ties to either eldar or necron tech, also there is the star god on mars too. I wonder if these two beings are two separate beings attempting to emerge thru the same source. In a story of the emperor having to fight against the taint of the technology in the throne attempting to usurp control, like if it was built with a combination of Eldar an necron or star god elements, and these two beings being attempts by them to gain power an influence that would topple the control to their side could be interesting.
@@elricengquist9989 agreed that always the intresting thought of what the machine god is if its truly just a technological view of the emperor the dragon god ctan that was the master of machines or a truly emegenr mechanical warp entity one cool piece of lore that mentions in some of the new books by a surving man of iron is that the men of iron new about the dragon ctan and saw it as a god and apprently the war bewteen them was more like the quarians and the geth rather then terminator aka humans tried to wipe them out for being sapient so they reluctanly rebelled never truly hating or wanting humanity dead though seeing them as inferior
The Throne actually is all Human- it was made as a psychic amplifier by the Adeptus Mechanicus. The Emperor would have sat in it either way so as to defend His Webway project from Chaos.
Wait, there are people who _don't_ think that the Emperor has become a Chaos God with the Legion of the Damned as his Lesser Daemons and Living Saints as his Greater Daemons? Weird.
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 By the theory, the Sanguinor would be either a Daemon Prince-equivalent or a top-tier Greater Daemon-equivalent like Kairos Fateweaver, The Changeling or Skarbrand.
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I have a lore theory for you Remeles. Lorgar was ALWAYS loyal He orchestrated the fall of Horus and got the lectitio as the state religion To empower the emperor to face the warp
@SmashStomp Inc Some of them were destroyed utterly, and others might simply not *want* to come back. Guilliman is on record saying he'd rather have died in the Horus Heresy than see what the Imperium became afterwards.
@SmashStomp Inc if i had to guess the souls (for a lack of a better word) that the Emperor summoned during the War Within the Webway, including Ferrus Manus, was utterly annihilated in the final cataclysmic conflict. After all only two loyal primarchs were killed in the heresy, Ferrus Manus (by fulgrim) (possibility explained above) and Sangunius (by horus) whose soul I believe became the Sanguinor
I like the Idea that "faith" is becoming its own energy like the Warp is. seeing as it took millennia for the warp to essentially grow and become chaotic. "Faith" is to the warp as light is to dark. as it were therefore the saints are basically the "faith" version of daemons. but more so they are the entities of faith as daemons are entities of the warp. and while the Emperor may not have intended to be the first God of the Faith, the billions of human souls who now worship him have collectively made it so
Edit: in regards to the Cadian pylons, it could be possible also that the bulk majority of the warp energy comprising her body could come from the Astronomican, (Terra), which was unaffected by the pylons’ activation Considering how Celestine withered under the presence of the sisters of silence, I’d say this is a confident yes
This is my favorite of the videos that espouse the "saints are daemons of the Emperor" position. It is possible that she uses the same technique as the Watchers in the Dark. This would also align with my theory that the Lion is actually "the Angel", the proto-primarch in a hidden, latent form. The Watchers in the Dark may have been known to the Emperor and he may have even been in contact with them at some point. Perhaps this is why the Emperor was without question as to the loyalty of the Lion.
I've long held the opinion that the Sister of Battle are the Emperor's orcs. They don't believe so much as they know their faith is true in the same way we might know gravity is a certainty. So if they are in a hopeless fight, they know the Emperor will send a champion to help and "poof" a living saint appears as they knew it would. I would love to see orcs and Battle Sisters face off and each side's beliefs escalate the battle. Orcs chanting Gork Mork until their Gods appear, then the Sisters manifest living saints to counter them, then more orcs show up and Gork and Mork get stronger until the Emperor's angels show up and go to town...because funny.
In the words of Lorgar Aurelian "The difference between Angels and Daemons largely depends on where one is standing at the time" perception does not fundamentally change objective truth.
@@KingLegendary1 no he's the warp deity of AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Every once in a while he updates older videos when new information is revealed. In this case, the Saint Celestine novel provides significant new info into the nature of Living Saints.
To think that the Emperor may not be as celestial as the Chaos Gods yet they respect him and sees him a formidable foe Being called The Anathema is more a compliment than insulting
It makes perfect sense that Living Saints and the Legion of the Damned are “daemons” of the Emperor. It does seem like a total betrayal of the Emperor’s Imperial Truth though. He insisted that He was not a god and even punished those that worshipped Him as such, but only a god of some sort can create daemons and such and are powered by faith.
Well, the "tragic" is that Emperor became god against his will. When 800 trillion lives worship you you pretty much have the greatest number of worshippers than Chaos Gods combined. If Eldars could create Dark Prince - it's natural that whole Empire could great another God. Emperor played himself a little. Now he will have to become the very thing he hated for the sake of humanity. Oh, the irony....
I heard that the Warp is a reflection of the mind/soul so the idea humanity would inspire/create a warp being that was benevolent (at towards themselves) is not impossible just unlikely
The Warp is an alternate realm, comprised of the emotional energy of mortal beings in Realspace. The Chaos Gods represent the sum composition of certain negative emotions - fear, anger, deceit, and desire - and their daemons are minions of these mono-emotional super-beings. If the Chaos Gods are manifestations of negative emotions, it stands to reason that The Emperor is the manifestation of positive emotions, such as nobility and righteousness. This is less inherent to him as a person (although he is a righteous man), but faith in him as the object of the Imperial Creed focuses these positive emotions onto him, making him a "Good-Aligned Chaos God"... if that makes sense. From there, the Living Saints are avatars of The Emperor, just as daemons are avatars of the Chaos Gods. If the Emperor is the Chaos God of Nobility, then Living Saints are Greater Daemons of Nobility. Given that The Warp comprises all emotion (not just negative emotion), this theory also explains why The Chaos Gods are pretty much pure evil when not all emotions are evil.
Plus there's the fact that beings in the galaxy with warp presence believing in something will start to make it manifest in the warp. See: The gestating formation of a Tau god of the Greater Good. And well, there's been a lot more people believing that the Emperor is a god for a lot longer. This video also makes me think; given the likewise widespread of the Adeptus Mechanicus and thus the Cult of the Mechanicum, what if machine spirits are just minor warp entities of that belief? Daemons of the Omnissiah, if you will.
“The highly trained soldiers of the Astra Militarum” The imperial guard? Highly trained? What have you been smoking? You almost make it sound like the whole of the guard is made up of Kasrkins! - Commissar Aloysius Demolk, attached to the 239th Penal Regiment
@@zackcoggins9752 well regiments like cadians and deathkorps are trained since they can crall, meaning they have over 10 years worth of tough brutal training. and imperial guard soldiers are supposed to be recuited from the top 10% of the imperiums soldiers (storm troopers be equvilent of the top 10% of those, and inquisitorial storm troopers are the top 10% of storm troopers and space marines are supposed to be the top 10% of them)
the lowest imperial guardsmen (not emergency trained conscripts) are likely equvilent to the top 10% of earths ground forces (but not special forces), think British royal marines. while the upper percentile are the most well trained a non-demi-god can get.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 - I know all this and agree. Considering that they are largely just unaugmented humans versus the worst the galaxy can throw at them, I'd say they are pretty badass too. However, like Cadia, my joke stills stands. The PDF suck. Just ask Cain. He'll tell you.
At the fall of cadia saint celestine appears to be awakened from sleep, begging to be left alone for some more time. It reminded me much more a dreadnought awakening than a warp living entity
so would this then mean that the remembrancer from the first few horus heresy books (cant remember her name) is like the first living saint, however at this time the emperor did not have the power/ influence to fully make her like the others that we know but was still able to empower her?
We know that belief and faith can have a powerful effect in the Warp. We also know that there is an individual whose teachings not only started a new branch of the Imperial Cult, but whose exploits became so legendary that the entire Departmento Munitorum officially refuses to believe that he is dead, and keeps him listed as being on Active Duty even after he was buried with full military honours. It therefore stands to reason that Commissar Ciaphas Cain in fact is a Living Saint, and will return to aid the Imperium whenever there is a crisis of too much amasec.
This sounds awesome and jives well with the Warp God aspect of the Emperor's projection into the Immaterium. Angels to match the Four's demons. Archangel Celestine sounds badass.
Possibly warp manifestations but where the typical sort (chaos) would be represented by mankind's Id, this supernatural servant of the Emperor would be much closer to the super ego. Also, the Emperor is still physically anchored in the material plane. This may translate into some durability for the saints against traditional anti-warp devices. The Empire of Man itself is essentially holy ground, maybe acting like a galaxy spanning totem for the saints. I'm really curious to know what happens when the Emperor finally crumbles into dust or gets unplugged. (Besides the maelstrom of chaos which will engulf earth) Will he reincarnate again or be trapped as a deity in the warp? The option I get the most kick out of is that he becomes a full fledged god and he could directly battle the warp invasion with his loyal minions, material and supernatural, from within and without the breach on Terra. Imagine the Custodes furiously fighting off an almost immediate massacre of their forces within the holy throne just as a gleaming skyscraper sized golden forearm smites the warpspawn into paste and an immaculate voice thunders "I will always protect... but you should remain skeptical of hoary religions and uphold reason my children!"
Thank you for this information. I did notice something strange about "Holy Relics" one of the books I was listening too had a Mute living relic who can banish any daemon the problem was she was mute, once she spoke her power disappeared. She had an aura of peace that put the Salamander's inner rage at peace.
I think it's Malcador the Sigilight who created the living Saints because the Saints are those who are fueled with power borne from faith in the Emperor, something the Emperor formerly opposed. I think Malcador didn't die but took on the mantle of the "God Emperor" after his unwavering devotion to the Emperor was redefined in the Warp turning him into the equivalent but less powerful version of a Chaos God of Faith in the Emperor. Even with all our fangasming the Emperor cannot defeat all the Chaos God's alone and is only fighting them to a stand still while Malcador fuels those who are Faithfull to the Emperor, the troops take the form of the Emperor's avenging angels The space marine Legion of the dammed, and the greater deamons are only those who have given themselves fully to their faith in the Emperor, like a cultist would for any other Chaos God. This makes sense when you realize how Malcador built the Inquisition and that the Saints happen to be Women, Malcador wanted the Primearchs to be Sisters. I think the Emperor has not ever stoped fighting back against Chaos and Malcador is still managing as best he can the power of the Empire on his behalf, now in the form of a Warp entity deffined by his faith in the Emperor.
As for the pylons: I’d say that Celestine had a stronger tether to reality, unlike never borne that are purely warp creatures, and legion of the damn are not as powerful as a saint. If saints are manifested from the emperor, he was born and lived in real space and is still in between states of thing now, so she could be tide to reality because of this and/or originally being a human and being infused with the emperor’s power. This all might be an anchor that a purely warp based manifestation does not hold in common with a saint. The legion of the damn may be more of a manifestation or simply be lessor Daemons in comparison.
Can't remember but don't living saints have a connection, and even wear certain items of faith? Could that not maybe act as a anchor to the material realm an eve be a battery of warp energy to keep them tethered longer. like a Demon using a material body it possesses to stay on the material realm easier, compared to what they might need to keep their warp-form or true form in the material realm.
Hey guys! So I am new to Warhammer 40k I will admit but I had an idea in reference to the segment at 15:36 in the video. What if the Pylons of Cadia's pushing back of the warp energy from the Eye of Terror doesn't effect the Saint's due to their energy flowing from "else where in the Warp", whatever or where ever that might be? Again I am new at 40K but could this be something valid? Been research for a month now to absorb as much of the lore as I am ablel as it is very amazing and rich. And this channel has been one of the two that I have enjoyed the most. Please keep it up!
The armor celestine found is more likely to be like phoenix lord armor that holds the energy of those who have worn it in the past and it gets stronger as more people wear it and die in it. It would be easier to use an ancient t suit to make a Saint rather than expending the power necessary to create one from a viable host so whoever makes saints could have directed celestine to the armor if that's what the lore says.
Well, I think it's a question of whether or not the immaterium can be said to have more domains than those we call Chaos. If that's possible then yeah I think we could say they're warp entities. It's really up to GW to explore that possibility.
I'd love to see Living Saints as a non-named HQ in the next Sister's Codex. Give them customizable options like wings or no wings if we're wishlisting. Be nice to create your own Living Saint and not have to just run it as a Celestine proxy.
Being that the emperor’s creation was literally identical to that of a Chaos god but on a smaller, controlled scale (collective warp energy and psychic power), his need for warp energy to keep him alive, and his ability to change reality and defy it. I think its safe to say that the emperor is a chaos god and all these living saints and supernatural astartes are akin to Daemons. In fact, I’d say the creation of the Primarchs was an attempt to replicate the power of Greater Daemons, all of them have incredibly strong warp signatures and can stand toe to toe with Unclean ones, Bloodthirsters, Lords of Changes, and Keepers of secrets outside of the immaterium and arguably within.
Emperors wifey....lol... No but seriously, if they are created from his mind or spirit, the aspect, or the spirit inside the living saint could be his formerly mortal lover, that is if he had one, or a woman who made an impression/impact upon his psyche... Who really knows though... Good video as always...
the real question: do eldar gods (other than Slaanesh) have/had daemons the real real question: Lord Solar Macharius was declared a saint by the Ecclisarchy, he is now worshipped as a saint with millions making pilgrimages to his final resting place every year. many believed he was a living saint when he was alive. is it possible that he may return as a living saint in modern 40k?
3:10 - Isn't Saint Drusus (which resulted in the Maccabian Janissaries eventually being formed) another example, he'd also be one of the male ones, if so. | 3:42 - Yet his arms remain attached?... | 3:54 - (monotone) All Hail Big Papa Ultrasmurf. | 4:14 KHAAARRRNNN!!! (echoes) | 5:45 - Now that's some straight-up Joan of Arc type s***! | The Legion of the Damned are certainly the Daemons of the Emperor, as for the Living Saints...the equivalent of Daemon Princes of the Emperor? | 12:50 - The Gamma-irradiated version of Conan the Barbarian that disappointed daddy. (he failed to take over his home planet)
I wonder, if the psychic awakening really is continuous "spells", will allow you to make your own living saint? I'd really enjoy the flavor of one of my characters ascending mid fight to turn the tide.
Would it be possible that Celestine would have avoided being banished due to the sheer level of reverence by the nearby forces? Or possibly that she was fully bound to the body she possessed through the armor providing an anchor against the pylons power?
Honestly, I think that the Emperor and Malal, the Chaos god of Disbelief, are one and the same. If so, these are his Greater Daemons, along with the Sanguinor. The Legion of the Damned would be his Troop level Daemons. However, if I am wrong about the Emperor being Malal, I think the Living Saints might be hosts of fragments, or themselves fragments of, the Emperor's psyche. If hosts of fragments, they attract the fragment at the moment of their death. If they are the shards themselves, then their actions touched the Emperor so strongly that his psyche shard basically tries to recreate these most valliant heroes. I also believe that the Sanguinor is the attempt to recreate his lost son, Sanguinius if this is the truth.
There's one possible additional wrinkle in the skien here, one which may explain why Celestine was able to endure the null-field while the Legion of the Damned couldn't. In the novel 'Path of the Warrior' we learn that certain Aspect Warrior armors are inhabited (for lack of a batter term) by the collective spirits of their prior wearers -- specifically, this applies to Exarchs and Phoenix Lords. Every new warrior to don the armor takes on the nature, skills, power, and persona of the prior bearers, imbuing a type of immortality akin to a mobile Infinity Circuit. As we know that the Craftworld Aeldari primarily craft their weapons and armor from Wraithbone -- crystallized Warp-energies, essentially -- this doesn't at first draw any parallels... at least, until we consider the power armor donned by Celestine. Since we know that even inanimate physical materials can become infused with Warp energies, the idea that a long-venerated symbol might become a focus for "holy" emanations in the Warp is far from impossible (especially if it had a few millennia to soak in such energies). Admittedly, not every Living Saint stumbles across a "divined" suit of armor in their origin stories, but the idea of some physical object serving as a material anchor for the empowered soul(s) of the Saint is not truly so far-fetched...
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!! First thing I do when coming back as a dad-daemon, wait for Fulgrim to appear, then burst forth with a mighty war cry of: "Booyah motherfucker!"
i think that the reason celestine did not get banished when the pylons activated is that her (warp) energies are so different from daemons that the pylons simply were not (tuned) to that type. though it still wrecked her painfully.
I always assumed it was proof the Emporer intentionally designed the Living Saints to have some connection to realspace which is why I assumed they are all people who previously died.
@@zenoblues7787 well their souls were used. Just like daemons souls. It's just a different mind set and most likely how stable the warp/realm of souls was when they were created
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Me: are the living saints Daemons of the Emperor?
Inquisitor: the law requires that I say no
The law also says that I kill you now for asking that
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Don’t ask me I don’t know much about living Saints
@@themachinegodomnissiah2146 Which kind of toaster do you like.
Main reason: Extention of the God Emperor's power and divinity. Other reason: Drawing pretty blonde angels in armor with flaming swords is pretty rad.
Celestine is dark haired
Rad lad
RaPtorteAm so is Sabbat
The Powers are just Chad warrior class angels and it's pretty fucking rad when you stack them alongside all the other oddities in the Christian pantheon.
or daemons of tzeench?
This video could be replaced by 15 minutes of Lorgar screaming of how he was right about everything.
I just imagine Lorgar kneeling broken and defeated before a reborn divine Emperor right before the killing blow comes down. "I told you so..." Says Lorgar. "....Damn it Lorgar!" Says the Emperor.
ironically, if lorgar had shut the fuck up and toed the line, he wouldn't be
Lorgar fell so the emperor could rise divine?
He's still using the text to speech device while doing it.
@@TheLoraxshadenough It wouldn't be a killing blow in that case so much as it would be murder by words.
You know the more I hear this theory about the Emperor and his potential as a Chaos god I wonder if Chaos miscalculated and have perhaps created a more dangerous foe in the long run.
The Slade well maybe but the chaos Goss do have an unreasonably large amount of stupid luck so yeah maybe...
The Slade well maybe but the chaos Goss do have an unreasonably large amount of stupid luck so yeah maybe...
Could be worse, if the Emperor is Malal's creator that he will use to fight the chaos gods and make Malal the rightful ruler of the warp so him and the imperium can traverse safely into the warp to conquer all the xenos races in the galaxy.
That is debatable, essentially what they have done is forcing the Emperor to play the great game, as oppossed to isolating humanity from the warp. Whereas the isolation would eventually severely weaken the gods, perhaps even back to a non-sentient, or at the very least non-sapient state, the great game is eternal, and in its perpetuitity empowers its participants. They may have made the game more complex by creating another player, but considering the gods of chaos are far from a unified force themselves, it is equally an opportunity for them and their ever shifting allegiances.
I don't think the Emperor would be a "chaos" god. IMO he'd become the first (and possibly only) "order" god. Much like how Khorne represents rage and bloodlust, Nurgle represents decay and disease, etc, the Emperor would represent order, discipline, and compliance.
If you end up revisiting the 'Emperor is a Chaos god' theory, don't forget to mention that the Chaos worshipers of the Sanguinary Worlds in the Sabbat sector revere the Emperor as a rouge Chaos God (from The Anarch).
Emperor-worshipping chaos cultist is giving my heretic detector an aneurysm.
Hi There underrated comment there
@Historical Icons That is one of the talking points of the debate, but the subject is typically referred to as 'Is the Emperor a Chaos God.
My personal view is that the Emperor is (now) an entity apotheosed into godhood, but the Chaos Gods are archetypal expressions, and thus a very different category of deity.
Not so much a rogue God but more a mistaken god.
@@hithere5553 They're still heretics because their understanding of the Emperor is different than yours.
Perhaps living saints can exist in the material realm longer than greater daemons because the Emperor exists in both the material realm and warp space unlike the chaos gods who exist in the warp.
Another reason could be willingness. The Greater Demons of Chaos are basically a condensed clusterfuck of wild energy that gets hit by Nullification. That's like a bowl spinning on a stick filled with Oil and Water and someone throws a baseball at it.
The Celestials on the other hand are Daemons of Order, if you will. Getting hit by a nullification field would be like an icefield that gets parted by an icebreaker. Painful, and it cracks a bit, but the icefield doesn't sunder.
I’d love to see a parodical perspective-flip story in which the poor citizens of a chaos world get infiltrated by imperial cultists who use their unholy faith to summon a bright crusade into the realm of eyespace, where the champions of chaos valiantly hold the line against hordes of skull-faced fiery legions of that blasphemous god-emperor, led by the dreaded greater demon known as “the saint” who casts feathery fury upon those brave/foolish enough to stand against her.
UGNAvalon so basically a penitent crusade from the chaos prospective
@@ricosintron2075 but with the legion of the damned, that is what asartes they are talking about.
Get this man a book deal!
Oh no... the i quisitors are coming, HIDE! HIDE BEFORE THOSE FOOLS ATTEMPT TO EXTERMINATUS.
*them. They can be males too.
Living Saints: When your one job is to hold the line. Death be damned!
Always remember, Nukes are merely an inconvenience
@@zensempai7371 Minotaur living saints?
Celestine: Hey, maybe we need to be more strategic with our holy fire projectiles to aid our Emperor's servants.
Minotaur Saint: That is not what the High Lords decrees! BLAAMMMM!
The Emperor Protects!
Saint CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED.
**Aroused Krieg noises**
It's not a story the inquisition would tell you
It's a Chaos legend
Ironic
No citizen, it isn't. Please step in here a tell us in detail just who exactly did tell you...
the imperial cult is a pathway to abilities that some would consider unnatural
@@jackurquhart7994 the level of nerdom is off the charts but it's actually great
I hope to see Living Saint Sigismund one day, just to freak the hell out of Abbadon. After all it would be poetic justice to have him slay the Warmaster and fulfill his last words in the process
"I swore to you long ago, traitor. Have you forgotten? You will die as your weakling father died. Soulless. Honourless. Weeping. Ashamed."
@@SpiralSine6 "but how?... and why do you have wings now?"- last words of Abbadon
Lord Solar Matthius “Because wings are cool.” -Living Saint Sigismund
I would prefer Dante doing it but fair.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 as abbadon is ressurected each time, it would be the last time.
Except if he get killed by a weapon that destroy souls.
"Slain by Kharn" Heh, that Kharn. What a swell guy he is.
@SmashStomp Inc still counts as one
Hi there!
Hope for his sake he never cross paths with the sanguinor since he seems to be invulnerable.
Once gave me a high five becuase I stole a space marines chain sword, broke all the bones in my arm instantly to. Hell of a guy that kharn
I think that given there are no accounts of living saints before the Emperor was put on the Golden Throne (increasing his presence in the warp) would suggest that they are in fact Imperial Daemons.
I would say that Living Saints are the Emperor's daemon princes/princesses. Most seem to originally be mortal servants of the Emperor. Like how the chaos daemon princes were mortal servants of the chaos gods.
though the emperor is still alive and not a full god yet so he cant just spam deamons like they can though a intersting thing is the entity imperious appearing to imperial faithful like the corpse imperor but fully cyberneticized in a mechnical room of gold and steel in my view that entity is the god emperor the fusion of the omnissiah and god empeor faiths
@@wilmagregg3131 Well the throne is not fully terran tech, i believe it has some ties to either eldar or necron tech, also there is the star god on mars too. I wonder if these two beings are two separate beings attempting to emerge thru the same source. In a story of the emperor having to fight against the taint of the technology in the throne attempting to usurp control, like if it was built with a combination of Eldar an necron or star god elements, and these two beings being attempts by them to gain power an influence that would topple the control to their side could be interesting.
@@elricengquist9989 agreed that always the intresting thought of what the machine god is if its truly just a technological view of the emperor the dragon god ctan that was the master of machines or a truly emegenr mechanical warp entity one cool piece of lore that mentions in some of the new books by a surving man of iron is that the men of iron new about the dragon ctan and saw it as a god and apprently the war bewteen them was more like the quarians and the geth rather then terminator aka humans tried to wipe them out for being sapient so they reluctanly rebelled never truly hating or wanting humanity dead though seeing them as inferior
The Throne actually is all Human- it was made as a psychic amplifier by the Adeptus Mechanicus. The Emperor would have sat in it either way so as to defend His Webway project from Chaos.
Adeptus Notificatus, *_REPRESENT._*
WE WILL PROVIDE THE HAMS
Ordos Majora present!
Wait, there are people who _don't_ think that the Emperor has become a Chaos God with the Legion of the Damned as his Lesser Daemons and Living Saints as his Greater Daemons? Weird.
Inquisitor. There's a Heretics here. Right here
Like this isn't a theory that many inquisitors hold.
If you think about it,he exists both in the materal and immaterial,so no,I dont think he is a chaos god,but rather just a God of his own
Then what is the sanguinor?
@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 By the theory, the Sanguinor would be either a Daemon Prince-equivalent or a top-tier Greater Daemon-equivalent like Kairos Fateweaver, The Changeling or Skarbrand.
MIND BLOWN: I listen to ALL of your stuff and love it... but I was POLEAXED to find my art at 11:58 in the video! Thank you for taking the time to give credit to all of us creators. It does mean a lot.
Celestine literally goes outside of a ship as its flying through the warp to guide it in one book
Power move
Peak lung capacity
Props to the writer for following her and documenting the incident!
She is fucking badass
1:13 that storm trooper's just like "Hi Mum!" to the remembrancer.
if you look closely you could probably see the button on his uniform that says "I really wish I weren't here right now!"
I have a lore theory for you Remeles.
Lorgar was ALWAYS loyal
He orchestrated the fall of Horus and got the lectitio as the state religion
To empower the emperor to face the warp
that would be some batman level planning
I've also think about that
If... If they ever claim that that is the case that is an incalculable sacrifice for what could probably have been accomplished more easily.
@@twilight_phantom2969 You mean, if the Emperor hadn't been so Tzeentch damned stubborned?
go with Saints being Demon Princes, Legion of Damned being Lesser Daemons and Sanguinor/Imperious being Greater Daemons
This is also my personal belief.
Aaand everybody else cultists.
@SmashStomp Inc Some of them were destroyed utterly, and others might simply not *want* to come back. Guilliman is on record saying he'd rather have died in the Horus Heresy than see what the Imperium became afterwards.
@SmashStomp Inc ...yeah that's entirely my mistake...
@SmashStomp Inc if i had to guess the souls (for a lack of a better word) that the Emperor summoned during the War Within the Webway, including Ferrus Manus, was utterly annihilated in the final cataclysmic conflict.
After all only two loyal primarchs were killed in the heresy, Ferrus Manus (by fulgrim) (possibility explained above) and Sangunius (by horus) whose soul I believe became the Sanguinor
I like the Idea that "faith" is becoming its own energy like the Warp is. seeing as it took millennia for the warp to essentially grow and become chaotic.
"Faith" is to the warp as light is to dark. as it were
therefore the saints are basically the "faith" version of daemons. but more so they are the entities of faith as daemons are entities of the warp.
and while the Emperor may not have intended to be the first God of the Faith, the billions of human souls who now worship him have collectively made it so
I don't see why you'd bother differentiating between the warp and faith.
@@jonathandavies1716 because they're different. faith is much more active and conscious, while the warp acts more passively on the unconscious side
@@gruffen4 Orks and the Eldar Gods do the exact same thing and we don't differentiate them from the Warp.
That would be right but i see faith as warp being given form/purpose through worship
The God of order will rise; free him from his physical prison.
Legion of the Damned AND Gaunt's Ghosts mentioned in the same 40K Theories video? The Emperor has TRULY blessed me this day!!
I guess that in the grim darkness of the 42nd millennium... There is hope, somewhere, a very, very small hope.
Not if you know what happens in 50 and 60k. Hope is long dead and buried
Yeah it's called the t'au empire, so young, so naive.
@@michaeldriggers7681 Don't they brainwash people?
yeah, that hope is that GW will find some way to bring the emperor back without ending 40K
Edit: in regards to the Cadian pylons, it could be possible also that the bulk majority of the warp energy comprising her body could come from the Astronomican, (Terra), which was unaffected by the pylons’ activation
Considering how Celestine withered under the presence of the sisters of silence, I’d say this is a confident yes
*Start of video* : I swear if LotD doesn't get brought up...
Edit: Okay, good.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeessssss.
Is it wrong I read that in David Kaye's Beast Wars Megatron voice?
@@40KTheories It'd be wrong if you didn't.
answer in Japanese: はい
I heard both rogal and david kaye
This is my favorite of the videos that espouse the "saints are daemons of the Emperor" position.
It is possible that she uses the same technique as the Watchers in the Dark. This would also align with my theory that the Lion is actually "the Angel", the proto-primarch in a hidden, latent form. The Watchers in the Dark may have been known to the Emperor and he may have even been in contact with them at some point. Perhaps this is why the Emperor was without question as to the loyalty of the Lion.
I've long held the opinion that the Sister of Battle are the Emperor's orcs.
They don't believe so much as they know their faith is true in the same way we might know gravity is a certainty.
So if they are in a hopeless fight, they know the Emperor will send a champion to help and "poof" a living saint appears as they knew it would.
I would love to see orcs and Battle Sisters face off and each side's beliefs escalate the battle.
Orcs chanting Gork Mork until their Gods appear, then the Sisters manifest living saints to counter them, then more orcs show up and Gork and Mork get stronger until the Emperor's angels show up and go to town...because funny.
Essero Eson I’ve officially read too much 40k, you wrote orc and my brain thought Tolkien orc. Not an Ork.
The Sisters of Battle constantly face off against an overwhelming force: Matt Ward's love of nun fodder.
*Ork
Essero Eson - I feel like there is some pointed gender commentary here, whether you meant it or not.
>imperial guard
>highly trained
I mean, that flashlight is pretty bright...
Hey not just any feral worlder off the wilderness knows how to use a power switch.
And use krak grenades without blowing themselves up
Imperial Guard training is selecting a special breed of human, the expendable.
That flashlight could take out a tank in our world........
@@nielsmichiels1939 that flashlight have power of our 50cal so no it wouldn't blow up our tank ...
I mean, there is clearly some warp fuckery going on here...
So basically they’re angels. Just as daemons are pieces of the chaos gods the living saints are pieces of the emperor.
In the words of Lorgar Aurelian "The difference between Angels and Daemons largely depends on where one is standing at the time" perception does not fundamentally change objective truth.
Could Sly Marbo be a living Saint? Just asking for a friend...
He's is the saint of AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@@KingLegendary1 no he's the warp deity of AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
sly marbo couldn't be a living saint as it would be a clear demotion from being sly marbo
@@KingLegendary1 No like he is his own god like sigmar but better
I just came to make sure I saw no heresy.
And?
Lord Inquisitor Gaylorde Terrehaute Coxwellington III is awaiting your report.
It had best be quite thorough.
Kharn is just a 40k verson of Kyle on Monster Energy drinks
Is this a reupload? Could've sworn you've already done a video on this.
Edit: Ah, I see, remastered audio.
And additional information
Every once in a while he updates older videos when new information is revealed. In this case, the Saint Celestine novel provides significant new info into the nature of Living Saints.
For me, the Emperor is the god of order. And order is juste one of the possibilitys of chaos
But hey, that’s just a theory...
*A futuristic fictional grimdark theory!*
yung malari nice!
To think that the Emperor may not be as celestial as the Chaos Gods yet they respect him and sees him a formidable foe
Being called The Anathema is more a compliment than insulting
It makes perfect sense that Living Saints and the Legion of the Damned are “daemons” of the Emperor. It does seem like a total betrayal of the Emperor’s Imperial Truth though. He insisted that He was not a god and even punished those that worshipped Him as such, but only a god of some sort can create daemons and such and are powered by faith.
Well, the "tragic" is that Emperor became god against his will. When 800 trillion lives worship you you pretty much have the greatest number of worshippers than Chaos Gods combined. If Eldars could create Dark Prince - it's natural that whole Empire could great another God.
Emperor played himself a little. Now he will have to become the very thing he hated for the sake of humanity.
Oh, the irony....
He insisted he was not a god when he was not a god, but it changed
1:22 the guardsman on the left "LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE TYRANIDS!"
One again brother great videos!! I watched like 20 of your videos today!! 😆 great work brother
How dare thee? INQUISITORS! HERESY!
But no it jus throws the power of the emperor and his servants!
Technically everything can just be renamed to “warp beings” rather then Daemons.
Not everything from the warp is evil, just a reflection
No they fit the definition of baemon in the way its spelled
a divinity or supernatural being of a nature between gods and humans
It should be obvious to everyone now that "The Emperor" in 40K is a type of Chaos god.
*HERESY*
Well - yeah. Belief and emotions created chaos gods.. guess what humanity does for Emperor.
*HERESY INTENSIFIES*
Well not yet id say, but it won't be long until he becomes one.
Well technically a chaos God wants chaos but the emperor is quite the opposite wanting order so he's very technically isn't one.
1:30 let me tell you about the tyranids
For Tanith! For The Emperor! First and Only!
"HERE- Wait, are they?" -Last words spoken by an unnamed inquisitor behore shutting himself inside his office never to be seen again.
=][= Heretical, Purge at once =][=
Horus Mortally Wounds Emperor
Emperor:If You Strike me Down I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
I heard that the Warp is a reflection of the mind/soul so the idea humanity would inspire/create a warp being that was benevolent (at towards themselves) is not impossible just unlikely
The Warp is an alternate realm, comprised of the emotional energy of mortal beings in Realspace. The Chaos Gods represent the sum composition of certain negative emotions - fear, anger, deceit, and desire - and their daemons are minions of these mono-emotional super-beings.
If the Chaos Gods are manifestations of negative emotions, it stands to reason that The Emperor is the manifestation of positive emotions, such as nobility and righteousness. This is less inherent to him as a person (although he is a righteous man), but faith in him as the object of the Imperial Creed focuses these positive emotions onto him, making him a "Good-Aligned Chaos God"... if that makes sense.
From there, the Living Saints are avatars of The Emperor, just as daemons are avatars of the Chaos Gods. If the Emperor is the Chaos God of Nobility, then Living Saints are Greater Daemons of Nobility. Given that The Warp comprises all emotion (not just negative emotion), this theory also explains why The Chaos Gods are pretty much pure evil when not all emotions are evil.
Plus there's the fact that beings in the galaxy with warp presence believing in something will start to make it manifest in the warp. See: The gestating formation of a Tau god of the Greater Good. And well, there's been a lot more people believing that the Emperor is a god for a lot longer.
This video also makes me think; given the likewise widespread of the Adeptus Mechanicus and thus the Cult of the Mechanicum, what if machine spirits are just minor warp entities of that belief? Daemons of the Omnissiah, if you will.
Soooo maybe some day, maybe, kinda, we'll see Sanguinius, Malcador, Ferus, as Deamon Princes/Saints.
Melcador may actually be one as Imperious the embodiment of the Astronomicon.
“The highly trained soldiers of the Astra Militarum”
The imperial guard? Highly trained? What have you been smoking? You almost make it sound like the whole of the guard is made up of Kasrkins!
- Commissar Aloysius Demolk, attached to the 239th Penal Regiment
Compared to PDF the AM are highly trained. But I suppose that's a pretty low bar.
@@zackcoggins9752 well regiments like cadians and deathkorps are trained since they can crall, meaning they have over 10 years worth of tough brutal training. and imperial guard soldiers are supposed to be recuited from the top 10% of the imperiums soldiers (storm troopers be equvilent of the top 10% of those, and inquisitorial storm troopers are the top 10% of storm troopers and space marines are supposed to be the top 10% of them)
the lowest imperial guardsmen (not emergency trained conscripts) are likely equvilent to the top 10% of earths ground forces (but not special forces), think British royal marines. while the upper percentile are the most well trained a non-demi-god can get.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 - I know all this and agree. Considering that they are largely just unaugmented humans versus the worst the galaxy can throw at them, I'd say they are pretty badass too. However, like Cadia, my joke stills stands. The PDF suck. Just ask Cain. He'll tell you.
Yes, Inquisitor, this video right here.
Wow the Background Music is epic!
At the fall of cadia saint celestine appears to be awakened from sleep, begging to be left alone for some more time. It reminded me much more a dreadnought awakening than a warp living entity
so would this then mean that the remembrancer from the first few horus heresy books (cant remember her name) is like the first living saint, however at this time the emperor did not have the power/ influence to fully make her like the others that we know but was still able to empower her?
If it walks like a demon and quacks like a demon, it's a demon.
*daemon
@@matthiuskoenig3378 That too.
Haha
We know that belief and faith can have a powerful effect in the Warp. We also know that there is an individual whose teachings not only started a new branch of the Imperial Cult, but whose exploits became so legendary that the entire Departmento Munitorum officially refuses to believe that he is dead, and keeps him listed as being on Active Duty even after he was buried with full military honours.
It therefore stands to reason that Commissar Ciaphas Cain in fact is a Living Saint, and will return to aid the Imperium whenever there is a crisis of too much amasec.
This was a really fun vid. Easily one of your best!
That stained glass window art at the end...so beautiful
This sounds awesome and jives well with the Warp God aspect of the Emperor's projection into the
Immaterium. Angels to match the Four's demons. Archangel Celestine sounds badass.
Possibly warp manifestations but where the typical sort (chaos) would be represented by mankind's Id, this supernatural servant of the Emperor would be much closer to the super ego. Also, the Emperor is still physically anchored in the material plane. This may translate into some durability for the saints against traditional anti-warp devices. The Empire of Man itself is essentially holy ground, maybe acting like a galaxy spanning totem for the saints.
I'm really curious to know what happens when the Emperor finally crumbles into dust or gets unplugged. (Besides the maelstrom of chaos which will engulf earth) Will he reincarnate again or be trapped as a deity in the warp? The option I get the most kick out of is that he becomes a full fledged god and he could directly battle the warp invasion with his loyal minions, material and supernatural, from within and without the breach on Terra.
Imagine the Custodes furiously fighting off an almost immediate massacre of their forces within the holy throne just as a gleaming skyscraper sized golden forearm smites the warpspawn into paste and an immaculate voice thunders "I will always protect... but you should remain skeptical of hoary religions and uphold reason my children!"
Thank you for this information. I did notice something strange about "Holy Relics" one of the books I was listening too had a Mute living relic who can banish any daemon the problem was she was mute, once she spoke her power disappeared. She had an aura of peace that put the Salamander's inner rage at peace.
Thanks for doing this one again.
I think it's Malcador the Sigilight who created the living Saints because the Saints are those who are fueled with power borne from faith in the Emperor, something the Emperor formerly opposed. I think Malcador didn't die but took on the mantle of the "God Emperor" after his unwavering devotion to the Emperor was redefined in the Warp turning him into the equivalent but less powerful version of a Chaos God of Faith in the Emperor. Even with all our fangasming the Emperor cannot defeat all the Chaos God's alone and is only fighting them to a stand still while Malcador fuels those who are Faithfull to the Emperor, the troops take the form of the Emperor's avenging angels The space marine Legion of the dammed, and the greater deamons are only those who have given themselves fully to their faith in the Emperor, like a cultist would for any other Chaos God. This makes sense when you realize how Malcador built the Inquisition and that the Saints happen to be Women, Malcador wanted the Primearchs to be Sisters. I think the Emperor has not ever stoped fighting back against Chaos and Malcador is still managing as best he can the power of the Empire on his behalf, now in the form of a Warp entity deffined by his faith in the Emperor.
Living Saints appear to be good cases for “I’m to religious to die!”
As for the pylons:
I’d say that Celestine had a stronger tether to reality, unlike never borne that are purely warp creatures, and legion of the damn are not as powerful as a saint.
If saints are manifested from the emperor, he was born and lived in real space and is still in between states of thing now, so she could be tide to reality because of this and/or originally being a human and being infused with the emperor’s power. This all might be an anchor that a purely warp based manifestation does not hold in common with a saint. The legion of the damn may be more of a manifestation or simply be lessor Daemons in comparison.
Can't remember but don't living saints have a connection, and even wear certain items of faith? Could that not maybe act as a anchor to the material realm an eve be a battery of warp energy to keep them tethered longer. like a Demon using a material body it possesses to stay on the material realm easier, compared to what they might need to keep their warp-form or true form in the material realm.
Hey guys! So I am new to Warhammer 40k I will admit but I had an idea in reference to the segment at 15:36 in the video. What if the Pylons of Cadia's pushing back of the warp energy from the Eye of Terror doesn't effect the Saint's due to their energy flowing from "else where in the Warp", whatever or where ever that might be? Again I am new at 40K but could this be something valid? Been research for a month now to absorb as much of the lore as I am ablel as it is very amazing and rich. And this channel has been one of the two that I have enjoyed the most. Please keep it up!
The armor celestine found is more likely to be like phoenix lord armor that holds the energy of those who have worn it in the past and it gets stronger as more people wear it and die in it. It would be easier to use an ancient t suit to make a Saint rather than expending the power necessary to create one from a viable host so whoever makes saints could have directed celestine to the armor if that's what the lore says.
Well, I think it's a question of whether or not the immaterium can be said to have more domains than those we call Chaos. If that's possible then yeah I think we could say they're warp entities. It's really up to GW to explore that possibility.
Love your vids dude , how do you put all the pieces together so much lore
That pic with a Living Saint and Magos near the end makes me think. What's the AdMech's take on Living Saints?
I'd love to see Living Saints as a non-named HQ in the next Sister's Codex. Give them customizable options like wings or no wings if we're wishlisting. Be nice to create your own Living Saint and not have to just run it as a Celestine proxy.
Daemons of the Imperial Order? My, my. Trazyn, eat your metal heart out.
A nice bedtime story. Hope I have dreams of Celestine.
The Emperor was not originally a god, but has become one.
You cannot change my mind.
Big E says no, respect our go- i mean Emperor's choice
No
What if living saints are just avatars made up of possitive warp energy?
I NEEED a Saint Sabbat model now. I NEED IT. She looks so bad ass
Being that the emperor’s creation was literally identical to that of a Chaos god but on a smaller, controlled scale (collective warp energy and psychic power), his need for warp energy to keep him alive, and his ability to change reality and defy it. I think its safe to say that the emperor is a chaos god and all these living saints and supernatural astartes are akin to Daemons. In fact, I’d say the creation of the Primarchs was an attempt to replicate the power of Greater Daemons, all of them have incredibly strong warp signatures and can stand toe to toe with Unclean ones, Bloodthirsters, Lords of Changes, and Keepers of secrets outside of the immaterium and arguably within.
Emperors wifey....lol...
No but seriously, if they are created from his mind or spirit, the aspect, or the spirit inside the living saint could be his formerly mortal lover, that is if he had one, or a woman who made an impression/impact upon his psyche...
Who really knows though...
Good video as always...
Great vid had this theory for years and makes sense as the lore goes, I reckon this same theory can be applied to machine spirits to some degree.
the real question: do eldar gods (other than Slaanesh) have/had daemons
the real real question: Lord Solar Macharius was declared a saint by the Ecclisarchy, he is now worshipped as a saint with millions making pilgrimages to his final resting place every year. many believed he was a living saint when he was alive. is it possible that he may return as a living saint in modern 40k?
Yes.
Next question?
3:10 - Isn't Saint Drusus (which resulted in the Maccabian Janissaries eventually being formed) another example, he'd also be one of the male ones, if so. | 3:42 - Yet his arms remain attached?... | 3:54 - (monotone) All Hail Big Papa Ultrasmurf. | 4:14 KHAAARRRNNN!!! (echoes) | 5:45 - Now that's some straight-up Joan of Arc type s***! | The Legion of the Damned are certainly the Daemons of the Emperor, as for the Living Saints...the equivalent of Daemon Princes of the Emperor? | 12:50 - The Gamma-irradiated version of Conan the Barbarian that disappointed daddy. (he failed to take over his home planet)
So, They could be 'Greater Daemons' of Order. Looking at the amount of Moorcock influence on the mythos of 40K that would be a better description.
Could they be a tiny fragment of the Emperor’s soul inhabiting a worthy person?
Flashbacks to The Grey Knights books
Yes. o 3o
I wonder, if the psychic awakening really is continuous "spells", will allow you to make your own living saint? I'd really enjoy the flavor of one of my characters ascending mid fight to turn the tide.
Would it be possible that Celestine would have avoided being banished due to the sheer level of reverence by the nearby forces? Or possibly that she was fully bound to the body she possessed through the armor providing an anchor against the pylons power?
Honestly, I think that the Emperor and Malal, the Chaos god of Disbelief, are one and the same. If so, these are his Greater Daemons, along with the Sanguinor. The Legion of the Damned would be his Troop level Daemons. However, if I am wrong about the Emperor being Malal, I think the Living Saints might be hosts of fragments, or themselves fragments of, the Emperor's psyche. If hosts of fragments, they attract the fragment at the moment of their death. If they are the shards themselves, then their actions touched the Emperor so strongly that his psyche shard basically tries to recreate these most valliant heroes. I also believe that the Sanguinor is the attempt to recreate his lost son, Sanguinius if this is the truth.
1:20 - That dude on the left with the plasma gun like "are you fucking kidding me?".
There's one possible additional wrinkle in the skien here, one which may explain why Celestine was able to endure the null-field while the Legion of the Damned couldn't. In the novel 'Path of the Warrior' we learn that certain Aspect Warrior armors are inhabited (for lack of a batter term) by the collective spirits of their prior wearers -- specifically, this applies to Exarchs and Phoenix Lords. Every new warrior to don the armor takes on the nature, skills, power, and persona of the prior bearers, imbuing a type of immortality akin to a mobile Infinity Circuit. As we know that the Craftworld Aeldari primarily craft their weapons and armor from Wraithbone -- crystallized Warp-energies, essentially -- this doesn't at first draw any parallels... at least, until we consider the power armor donned by Celestine. Since we know that even inanimate physical materials can become infused with Warp energies, the idea that a long-venerated symbol might become a focus for "holy" emanations in the Warp is far from impossible (especially if it had a few millennia to soak in such energies). Admittedly, not every Living Saint stumbles across a "divined" suit of armor in their origin stories, but the idea of some physical object serving as a material anchor for the empowered soul(s) of the Saint is not truly so far-fetched...
More akin to Daemon princes than standard demons (legion of the damned)
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!!!!!!
First thing I do when coming back as a dad-daemon, wait for Fulgrim to appear, then burst forth with a mighty war cry of: "Booyah motherfucker!"
i think that the reason celestine did not get banished when the pylons activated is that her (warp) energies are so different from daemons that the pylons simply were not (tuned) to that type. though it still wrecked her painfully.
I always assumed it was proof the Emporer intentionally designed the Living Saints to have some connection to realspace which is why I assumed they are all people who previously died.
@@zenoblues7787 well their souls were used. Just like daemons souls. It's just a different mind set and most likely how stable the warp/realm of souls was when they were created
Living Saint Grendel, destroyer of Daemons, killer of Xenos, brother to Space Wolfs.
I will not hear this heresy about the emperor being able to create demons... The saints are angels. >:O