And they made the Butlers black. So, really goes both ways. But let's be honestly here, both cases are hardly the most egregious sins the movie adaptation committed. Casting was still leagues better than the utterly atrocious writting and directing the movie had.
THANK YOU! I've seen so much fan art of an inaccurate Holly and it's been driving me completely insane. Yes, people have a different way of interpreting things, but it clearly states in the first novel that Holly is in fact, not white. I thank you for taking the time to make this video and help raise awareness. I must go share this video to my friends that love the Artemis fowl series. By the way, I absolutely adore your art style.
I think it is quite important subject. The fact that we as a society read a brown-skinned character as white, even when explicitly told about her looks numerous times, is quite telling. The fact that this misconception is being enforced by official and semi-official sources is even worse. Was the publisher really that scared of brown skinned person not being marketable?
First of all, you yourself just said that majority of people find white skin color more desirable than a dark-brown one. All I'm saying it that we should as ourselves why is that so. What's more, I don't think this two instances even compare. Eyes are a way smaller detail than skin color. Unless they are described multiple times and play some role in the story (for example, Harry Potter having his mother's green eyes), they don't pop out much. Since you mentioned Ravenpaw, I don't think I ever saw anyone drawing him as a ginger, brown or pure white cat, simply because they like those colors better. In the books, Ravenpaw is described as a black cat with some white markings and that's how majority of the fandom will portray him. Meanwhile, it's really hard to pin down the "true" color of Ravenpaw's eyes. Into the Wild, the first book in the Warriors series, describes them as green, however, in the cover of the official comics he is shown with pale yellow ones. What's more, I'm pretty sure Ravenpaw was described with blue eyes at least couple of times in some of the books. No wonder people keep putting their own spin on the matter, since the authors themselves seem to be unable to determine what color Ravenpaw's eyes are.
Oh, I did understand what you said alright but I don't think you're understanding me. Sorry if I'm not communicating my point clearly enough. I'm asking you to ponder just for a bit why a color pallet including pale white skin seems to be so popular and what makes you think that said color pallet should include white skin in the first place. After all, if you tweaked each shade a little, you could get almost every color scheme to work which brown-is skin. As for Ravenpaw, I was just trying to say that for some reason no one seems to be changing his pelt-color to white because that's the color pallet they prefer. I'm sorry if that part of my comment was too ramble-like. I tend to get a little bit over-excited when Warriors are mentioned.
I havent read the series. I tried to read one of the books but i didn't get very far. All i can seem to remember is "Pfft fairies dont get shot" * gets shot anyways *
also in The Eternity Code, Holly is, at one point, described as having a "coffee complexion" personally i've always imagined her as more olive-skinned, but that's just me
Honestly, I only pictured her White was because every time I kept searching for fan art as a kid I found White skinned Holly so young me just thought that's how it was. I still remembered her being auburn hair though.
I actually still to this day imagine holly having purple skin. I saw a picture of the graphic novel and it was a really dark pic and it seemed like she had purple skin and she was quite chubby. Now that is embedded in my brain for the rest of my life
Thank you sooo much for this video!! My first language is Russian, so I read Artemis Fowl in Russian. I really like how they translated names of characters in Russian version, but the problem is that they translated Holly's description as «she had LIGHT brown skin». That is the reason why I pictured her in my head as white girl. Only a few months ago after watching your video I understood that she is not white. So thank you very much! :3
One of the many things that the disney adaptation pissed my off by: Well, it's nice that you made butler and juliet black, BUT THEN WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU WHITEWASH THE MAIN CHARACTER? (I mean, Artemis is also a main character, but he's the villian in the first book, so... Holly is left to be the main hero)
YES! Holly's skin colour is definitely brown! BUTTT one thing I found annoying was that despite Eoin giving her brown skin, there was no real attempt to align that with real world experiences of people of colour. You could say, well this is because in Haven, racism is more directed between species as opposed to aligned with human racism which usually plays on skin colour lines. If that is the case, then why is Holly's overt racism towards the goblins never explained? In fact, the whole 'Goblins lack the IQ to be good people' line feels very eugenicsy and quite similar to colonial narratives about actual people of colour. So the point of all of this? It feels like making Holly brown was not a well-thought out decision but rather 'diversity for the sake of it' that would allow for a person of colour to portray Holly without actually exploring any important themes relating to race and its role in a society. I'm not saying she should have been white - in fact, having the dominatn race in Haven be brown would have been subversive for 2001 - but if Colfer wanted to have a brown character that is one day played by a brown actor, then he should have been more conscious about the themes he was playing with.
Meh, I still think of her as fairish skinned. I loved the graphic novels so I guess that's eventually how I came to know her. I always drew her like her graphic novel self. Artists are weird I guess. You know what bugged me? Artemis is described as having pencil thin eyebrows, but in the graphic novel they bushy AF lol
troubles my favourite character in case u were wondering
puzzlii Have you read the Lockwood books?
puzzlii may I ask what you Animate with? And what you use (like pc, phone, etc)
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They totally whitewashed her for the movie casting
And they made the Butlers black. So, really goes both ways.
But let's be honestly here, both cases are hardly the most egregious sins the movie adaptation committed. Casting was still leagues better than the utterly atrocious writting and directing the movie had.
@Jack Sayers yes the books say Butler is euroasian
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The Artist Of The Starz Read the the first book when I was 11xD I love the Artemis Fowl books :D
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THANK YOU! I've seen so much fan art of an inaccurate Holly and it's been driving me completely insane. Yes, people have a different way of interpreting things, but it clearly states in the first novel that Holly is in fact, not white. I thank you for taking the time to make this video and help raise awareness. I must go share this video to my friends that love the Artemis fowl series. By the way, I absolutely adore your art style.
I think it is quite important subject. The fact that we as a society read a brown-skinned character as white, even when explicitly told about her looks numerous times, is quite telling. The fact that this misconception is being enforced by official and semi-official sources is even worse. Was the publisher really that scared of brown skinned person not being marketable?
First of all, you yourself just said that majority of people find white skin color more desirable than a dark-brown one. All I'm saying it that we should as ourselves why is that so.
What's more, I don't think this two instances even compare. Eyes are a way smaller detail than skin color. Unless they are described multiple times and play some role in the story (for example, Harry Potter having his mother's green eyes), they don't pop out much. Since you mentioned Ravenpaw, I don't think I ever saw anyone drawing him as a ginger, brown or pure white cat, simply because they like those colors better. In the books, Ravenpaw is described as a black cat with some white markings and that's how majority of the fandom will portray him.
Meanwhile, it's really hard to pin down the "true" color of Ravenpaw's eyes. Into the Wild, the first book in the Warriors series, describes them as green, however, in the cover of the official comics he is shown with pale yellow ones. What's more, I'm pretty sure Ravenpaw was described with blue eyes at least couple of times in some of the books. No wonder people keep putting their own spin on the matter, since the authors themselves seem to be unable to determine what color Ravenpaw's eyes are.
Oh, I did understand what you said alright but I don't think you're understanding me. Sorry if I'm not communicating my point clearly enough. I'm asking you to ponder just for a bit why a color pallet including pale white skin seems to be so popular and what makes you think that said color pallet should include white skin in the first place. After all, if you tweaked each shade a little, you could get almost every color scheme to work which brown-is skin.
As for Ravenpaw, I was just trying to say that for some reason no one seems to be changing his pelt-color to white because that's the color pallet they prefer. I'm sorry if that part of my comment was too ramble-like. I tend to get a little bit over-excited when Warriors are mentioned.
(excitement intensifies)
No one can resist the power of cute cats killing one another.
Maera Fey i love when wild cats create unstable civilizations and proceed to kill each other over lines of urine.
edited cos it was cringe lol
Bruh chill
@@idekxd6332 it was a joke and
this is 2 year old comment i wasnt being serious
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Bow to the Golly Holly god
I havent read the series. I tried to read one of the books but i didn't get very far. All i can seem to remember is
"Pfft fairies dont get shot" * gets shot anyways *
also in The Eternity Code, Holly is, at one point, described as having a "coffee complexion"
personally i've always imagined her as more olive-skinned, but that's just me
*cough* NUT
Flappy McDude *Nut?*
*N u t.*
almost every saturday for like 3 months i used to go to a cafe and eat soup with eoin colfer
I loved these books so much I memerized the gnommish.
I have the memory of a goldfish I read the book like a week ago and I forgot who Vinyáya was.
she wasnt in the first book im pretty sure o':
puzzlii I didn't go in the right order so I basically read the second book first lol
oh ok, i think she becomes important around the 4th/5th book?
So did the series lol she SPOILERS
dies in the seventh book early on and is never mentioned again for the rest of the entire series.
Disappointing
yes! XD I don't even consider the graphic novels to be 'canon'. (working on a Holly Short fanart right now! :D)
Thank you for covering this
I get that it aint a big deals but she looks a loy cuter with dark skin
Honestly, I only pictured her White was because every time I kept searching for fan art as a kid I found White skinned Holly so young me just thought that's how it was. I still remembered her being auburn hair though.
I love holly
Artists: [cracks open nuts to find the whitest part] ahhhh THIS must be the brown they speak of!
I actually still to this day imagine holly having purple skin. I saw a picture of the graphic novel and it was a really dark pic and it seemed like she had purple skin and she was quite chubby. Now that is embedded in my brain for the rest of my life
I thought she had pink skin
I feel like this is even more relevant than ever
Damn the movie did her dirty too
THANK YOU
I'M SO GLAD SOMEONE FINALLY POINTED THIS OUT
also she looks so weird white
I should reread these books. Hmmmmmm
Tbh I always thought of her as pink oopsies lmao
Opal Koboi is described as having pink skin and blonde hair.
FIIIIIIIINALY!
AT LEAST SOMEONE GOT IT RIGHT!
@_@ I wonder how the author feels about this.
WAIT PEOPLE DRAW HER AS WHITE. BUT...SHE'S DARK SKINNED??
Well yh that's how she is usually depicted in the art
Then again she is also depicticed as pink skinned so
ITS HAPPENED WITH NILES TOO
I come to you five years later, in all the recent fanart she is in fact not white! *the official art is a lost cause*
Yeah
It makes me so mad that they made her white in the movie!
Holy crap somone remembers this book
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THANK YOU!!! She's described in the first book as having "NUT BROWN SKIN". How the hell is Brown skin white?!
I have the book series-
it's so satisfying to be the 1 thousandth like wtf
Thank you sooo much for this video!! My first language is Russian, so I read Artemis Fowl in Russian. I really like how they translated names of characters in Russian version, but the problem is that they translated Holly's description as «she had LIGHT brown skin». That is the reason why I pictured her in my head as white girl. Only a few months ago after watching your video I understood that she is not white. So thank you very much! :3
I thought it was..... Dark peach-
Preach sis
GOLLY
Ah. Aged like wine
Cool.
One of the many things that the disney adaptation pissed my off by:
Well, it's nice that you made butler and juliet black, BUT THEN WHY THE F*CK WOULD YOU WHITEWASH THE MAIN CHARACTER? (I mean, Artemis is also a main character, but he's the villian in the first book, so... Holly is left to be the main hero)
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YES! Holly's skin colour is definitely brown! BUTTT one thing I found annoying was that despite Eoin giving her brown skin, there was no real attempt to align that with real world experiences of people of colour. You could say, well this is because in Haven, racism is more directed between species as opposed to aligned with human racism which usually plays on skin colour lines. If that is the case, then why is Holly's overt racism towards the goblins never explained? In fact, the whole 'Goblins lack the IQ to be good people' line feels very eugenicsy and quite similar to colonial narratives about actual people of colour. So the point of all of this? It feels like making Holly brown was not a well-thought out decision but rather 'diversity for the sake of it' that would allow for a person of colour to portray Holly without actually exploring any important themes relating to race and its role in a society. I'm not saying she should have been white - in fact, having the dominatn race in Haven be brown would have been subversive for 2001 - but if Colfer wanted to have a brown character that is one day played by a brown actor, then he should have been more conscious about the themes he was playing with.
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Meh, I still think of her as fairish skinned. I loved the graphic novels so I guess that's eventually how I came to know her. I always drew her like her graphic novel self. Artists are weird I guess. You know what bugged me? Artemis is described as having pencil thin eyebrows, but in the graphic novel they bushy AF lol
Oh my god I thought you just casually added a furry oc in your animations
Maybe they mean the inside of the edible part of a hazelnut
They dont
Huh.
I feel holly looks better with white skin (not to be racist)
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nifti i figure after seeing that you commented like 7 seconds before
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ITS HAPPENED WITH NILES TOO