Should NATO respect Russia's Lada Class attack submarines?
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- The Project 677 Lada Class is intended to be a successor to the tried-and-tested Kilo Class diesel attack submarines. They are expected to surpass the Kilo in every way, including noise levels, sonar systems, and firepower.
The lead Lada boat, the St. Petersburg, was launched in 2004, and has been used primarily as a test bed for new technology that will be incorporated into future Lada class boats. So, after approximately twenty years of development, it is time to do an assessment of the project 677 Lada. In this video, we answer the question: Is the Lada class a worthy successor to the famous Kilo Class submarines?
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I think a follow up would be amazing, because the lead ship has been decommissioned. Or a video on the kilo ssk
One could add that *a double hull design is not necessary, anymore if shipyards have become capable to work hardened steel into a stream lined shape* - the feature of the 'softer' outer hull in previous designs.
One of the best military channel. 🙂
Really? I'm flattered sir
@@EurasiaNaval Yes, no robotic voice, and no political intentions. We just want to hear technical details. Unfortunately, most of the channels on YT failed to do so.
a larger Lada class could be more feasible . . . let's say, a fleet of eight brand new Lada class 6,893 ton (8,054 ton loaded) stealth guided missile multi mission fast attack submarine powered by iSMARTFuelCellΔ FC3 AIP system . . . based on the same design as that of the original Lada class, only bigger & more capable . . .
you just have to respect any operational nuclear submarine if only on the basis of technical proficiecy
these are not nuclear ...
Not sure what you mean by 'respect' - probably a language misunderstanding - but if you meant "fear," no, of course not - the Russian navy would have a very short, very exciting life in any conflict with NATO
A twin hull design allows for oxygen and hydrogen tanks to be placed outside the pressure hull. Breaking loose a tank for emergency reasons can create catastrophic loss of trim and buoyancy. The technology is a leap ahead of current procurement requirements. Those boats are required on short notice and as their electricals are up to pars they can can readily be converted to batteries. The ratio of officers is very high on these boats.
Absolutely, the Russians are extremely good at making exceptionally well made and designed submarines!
Not true. The best-designed and best-made Russian submarine is the "Moskva". It was made by the Ukrainians.
@@Mjak-yd3og you think you are funny naci lover.
@@ntf5211 unfortunately it can't use the best stable airfield. The admiral Kuznetsov
@@Mjak-yd3og у украинцев нет никакой технической школы по проектированию подводных лодок. Все КБ находятся в России. В питере основное. Причем тут вообще украинцы?
@@mrOL100 You didn't understand the irony.
The improved kilo class is fine for now but these things eventually evolve. Lada will be the next successor to improved kilo.
Very good video. Only part you missed is the problems with AIPs, for instance with Japan who had an AIP powered sub operational. It seems the hydrogen fuel cell AIPs are underpowered so while they are quiet they are also next to useless when charging the batteries which obviously takes rather longer than when using diesel engines. Their new sub after their ground breaking AIP hydrogen fuel cell sub... had the AIP hydrogen fuel cell removed along with the liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen tanks that made it work and replaced that volume and weight with more lithium batteries which improved performance and led to more time in quiet electric mode. The other issue is the fuel cell technology the Russians were working on is rather more ambitious as it uses diesel fuel instead of hydrogen. Diesel is a mix of carbon and hydrogen, which is why fossil fuels also get called hydrocarbons. A fuel cell that runs on diesel solves all the problems of storing hydrogen on a sub, infrastructure at ports already delivers diesel so no new infrastructure needed and obviously more compact and stable without needing compression or cooling. But what to do with the solid carbon that will result. Sounds like the best solution is just extra batteries and more research into new battery types.
Thanks - interesting thoughts. First, I thought Japan's Soryu class used Stirling engine AIP, and not actually the fuel cell version. Anyway, I take your point that Lithium-ion battery is generally considered to be a step above AIP, in fact such that once it is operationalised on submarines they no longer find it worthwhile to have AIP around, as with the JSDF's Taigei class. But Lithium-ion battery is difficult to use safely inside a sub, so it will require lots of R&D, and is a step up in development difficulty than just getting an AIP for the Russian Navy. Installing additional lead acid batteries could be an option, although it will require increasing the Lada's size.
@@EurasiaNaval It might have been a Stirling engine, I believe they chose the most powerful AIP available to them at the time. The Russians are investing big in new battery technology, they were talking about graphine and I think Germanium batteries that retain charge storage at minus 50 degrees C. Lead Acid batteries are heavy, and create deadly gas releases when submerged in seawater.
@@garryb374 Lead acid batteries don't create deadly (as in toxic) gas, but rather extremely explosive gas; hydrogen. But hydrogen gas being released inside a submarine is just as dangerous as any toxic gas.
Torpedo goes 60 knots!
That's 69 mph!
That's fast!
Does it come with a good warranty?
Respect any submarine especially if you don't know its there says every captain off a warship sunk by one
Love the videos you make . I will say ditch these titles. Almost border line click bate when you ask if it is a failure? Knowing that the Russian navy ordered additional boats. Four so far. Also should NATO respect a modern attack sub from a nation that makes some of the best ssk in the world? Really? Whats next you are not going to title thinks "world shock: god I hope not! About a year or two back you will remember Sweden and Norway running around looking for a sub for a few weeks they could not find but it tripped up some nato listening posts etc? Ladda?
Hey, thanks man. It's fair to call some of my titles clickbait, and I don't mind the label. But the video needs to be able to deliver on the content promised by the clickbait. Having said that, I do think the questions posed in the title and thumbnail are a bit too gimmicky and obviously click-baity. I'll get around to changing it when I get time.
The class appears to be 'in development', meaning that is intended to be almost a 'technology demonstrator' when it comes to a completely novel propulsion.
*It is most challenging to modernize a Cold War fleet* - if the American failures in cruiser and littoral combat ship procurement, despite their experience since WW I, is any standard to measure against.
While the Russian Federation doesn't have to patrol a planet, strategic submarines (Borei, Yasen) and missile corvettes (Buyan, Karakurt) are arguably the most pressing priorities on a limited budget (compared to missile frigates and certainly missile cruisers or carriers).
Modernizing strategic sea bastions and offering a limited nuclear deterrence even from a vast continental river system is a high pay-off for investments.
Within this larger picture of procurement, the Lada-class - as a Kilo-class replacement - is indespensable in it's role.
If it takes redesigning it _several times_ , e.g. to reduce noise levels closer to the Akula-class, prolongue dive endurance or take on mission capabilities of surface vessels, then it will be worth it - _before_ ships are produced in any numbers (influenced by exports to India, Iran, Myanmar, possibly Venezuela).
One could speculate that before Russia does not venture into fuel-cell technology _in the civilian market_ , replacing diesel trucks and busses - perhaps in joint-ventures with China which shares the same submarine problem, but is already committed to large scale investments, commercially - it will likely lack the expertise and infrastructure to operate a significant number of navy vessels without constant issues.
The German Type 212 which utilizes air independent fuel cells in addition to diesel engines (the Germans were pioneers of electric propulsion in WW II) has already been revised and earmarked for replacement by two further classes: Type 214 and 216 - as if not all is well with the earlier design.
The 212 is an old design now. The 216 is not entering service straight away and is being designed to take advantage of technological developments over the past 20+ years since the 212 was designed.
@@Statueshop297
"The 216 is not entering service straight away and is being designed to take advantage of technological developments over the past 20+ years (...)"
As I said 'not all is well' with the Type 212 Air Independent Propulsion design.
Considering the Norwegian 2021 procurement of six Type 212 submarines until 2029, however, a German/Italian Type 216 won't enter serial production before the late 2030s (despite the launch of four export Type 218SG variants of the export Type 214) - which puts the Russian Lada-class modernization into international perspective.
When it comes to operational range and endurance, there is a reason why people would still prefer to keep their Diesel engine driven cars...
@ I’ve got it wrong. I thought the submarine Germany and Norway were making was 216CD. It’s the 212cd.
@@Statueshop297
"I thought the submarine Germany and Norway were making was 216CD. It’s the 212cd."
Yes.
It's noteworthy, isn't it ?
If it’s anything like it’s car counterpart it will be indestructible and heavily modified and blasting hard bass
I thought Lada was the Russian car brand.
The Russians are the best at submarine design particularly desiel electrics, so who ever doesn't respect them does so at their own peril
RUSSIA can work thru the Periodic Table by Mendeleev they can produce exceptional weapons. they have everything, they have to,
In my opinion The lada seems to have been a bit of a failure so far. It’s design and development has spanned so long that new technology and ways of working have made it not worth the effort compared with designing a new submarine.
Kilo class an other Russia deisal submarine need better range
No submarine is better than the sum of its different parts, and the crew onboard - and Russia have not been expectional in how the crews onboard submarines have been trained, or excecuted its duties - that be in the form of the nuclear powered submarines - or the conventional powered one.... And the Russian Navy have not impressed much in the last couple of mounts, look at what happened with Moskva the lfag ship of the Black Sea Fleet
I suspect that even the Swedish Gotland class, is better than the Lada class - or the Kilo II improved even if Russia proberly will deny it
Gave you a subscribe on my first view of your channel DON"T disappoint M'kay
Thanks sir. I am more focused on tech rather than geopolitics though
@@EurasiaNaval Im a big sub fan ever since I was a Underwater weapon tech back in 82 Retired now
60% failes
So basically the South Korean most advanced subs will destroy the Lada class....
Where'd you deduce that from?
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