Minimoog Model D - reissue vs. vintage

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @GetsemaniMusic
    @GetsemaniMusic Год назад +12

    A refreshingly unbiased comparison of the two generations. I recently got the 2022 version to add to my Moog collection which includes a Voyager and Moog One and the Model D is still a unique and amazing device.

    • @AdamTheAd-vanc3d
      @AdamTheAd-vanc3d Год назад +1

      Its that powerful unbeatable simplicity , I recently played a vintage MM a couple of weeks ago and was blown away .

  • @chizmo7
    @chizmo7 Год назад +13

    I borrowed a friends very early version in 1978 for some recordings and it sounded amazing. Shortly after that I bought my own unit in 1/1979 which was indeed more stable but sounded every bit as good. I just bought a 2022 version and it sounds just as good as the others but the added features take it to a whole other level.

  • @oscarrivas7240
    @oscarrivas7240 5 месяцев назад +2

    I instantly picked the left one as sounding better from the beginning intro music, and was pleasantly surprised to see that it was the modern one. And then you explained why! Glad to know my ears are still ok after all these years 😅

  • @ytb917
    @ytb917 Год назад +5

    probably the greatest moog comparison video ever. the only thing that might be missing is to put the waveforms through an oscilloscope and a frequency analyzer to visualize the harmonics, frequency graphs, and waveform shapes.

  • @robjanssen7420
    @robjanssen7420 Год назад +12

    A child of that age will also most likely have unspoiled hearing - and will still have their full frequency range ;) That said - the most important thing is that you managed to pass on your love of synths to her. She probably can't have a better environment than your studio for this :) Plus, the fact that you can still buy a real Mini in this day and age is amazing; it would be a shame if the only units left were 5 decades old and more kept as antiques rather than instruments.

    • @RayyMusik
      @RayyMusik Год назад +1

      Yep, the reissues are great. Nah, I‘m not going to spend €6,000 for a 2022 Minimoog while an OB-X8 costs ‘only‘ 5,400. I guess you pay for the name at Moog.

  • @kevinbatchelor9566
    @kevinbatchelor9566 Год назад +18

    The newer oscillators sound a bit more stable/less drifty. Both synthesizers sound amazing and anyone pretending otherwise is suffering from a giant case of vintage bias. I have the 2022 reissue and I love it.

    • @isaiahhudson5470
      @isaiahhudson5470 Год назад

      Is the sub bass all it’s cracked up to be?

    • @final_mile_music9713
      @final_mile_music9713 Год назад

      The reissue will age the same.

    • @AdamTheAd-vanc3d
      @AdamTheAd-vanc3d Год назад +1

      Well yes 50ish of burn in vs under 10yrs bound to be differences. Still I'd take a reissue any day. Come check me in the year 2072 👌🏾

    • @kierenmoore3236
      @kierenmoore3236 8 месяцев назад

      … or ‘modern bias’ … I think the reissue sounds ‘better’. I own neither. Perhaps the sound benefits from having the ‘rev 2’ board?

    • @kierenmoore3236
      @kierenmoore3236 8 месяцев назад

      Is the 2022 based on the same ‘rev 2’ board as the 2016, do you know? Any good 2022/2016/1960s comparison videos, that you know of, please? 🙏🏼😊

  • @jamesdrogers
    @jamesdrogers Год назад +7

    The 2022 sounds newer 😅.. in 6-7 years it should sound more mature. And it’ll be a blast being there for it, it sounds awesome! I just got a 2022 today. The only nitpick I have is that as a woodworker, I think it was a miss for Moog to not just let the cherry wood be cherry, finish it with old style shellac and watch it darken and age naturally, the cherry gets dark on its own pretty quickly.. rather than staining the cherry with a walnut-colored stain and maybe poly clear coat. The former would look like an amazing vintage case, pretty much right out of the box, and would improve significantly with age.. imo the finish they went with won’t do that. I’d even like to see an version where they use black plastic for the case, for possibly $1000 less. Other than that non-sound related and thus secondary gripe, I’m absolutely loving it.

  • @FlockOfHawks
    @FlockOfHawks Год назад +6

    My winner would definitely be the reissue as well - reliability & predictability are priceless - saving for the One currently though ( hopefully around May ) and with one Octave and four Behringer CATs i have no use nor room for either - phew , praise be 😎

  • @Station2Station-du2gh
    @Station2Station-du2gh Год назад +4

    Both have moments in the video, but I think the reissue sounds superior. Just as hearty with a bit more focus.

  • @soundfx68
    @soundfx68 Год назад +2

    Fantastic description by your daughter - Daddy's girl for sure!

  • @esmoroglu
    @esmoroglu 9 месяцев назад +1

    What a nice commentary by your daughter!👏🏻🧿

  • @brunostroszek3928
    @brunostroszek3928 Год назад +3

    Forgot to include the behringer 🥰

  • @BenAmbersun
    @BenAmbersun 9 месяцев назад +1

    Man. that was really helpful. thank you for that. Awesome to hear some of those differences.

  • @jupitermarx
    @jupitermarx Год назад +2

    Maybe🤷because I never owned an original Model D 🤷
    Like you I to purchased the 2016 reissue.
    From your demo, I can honestly say to my ears, I Love my Re-issue!!❤❤ and prefer the sound 🎉 Party Up!!

  • @75yin
    @75yin Год назад +2

    Hi Marius. It's my first comment on your channel. Thank you very much for your absolutely fantastic music. 🤩For me, not a musician, but just a "synthfreak" who loves synths (especially vintage ones) and how they sound in general ❤, both of the Minimoogs are technological pieces of art and sound just beautifully (the vintage Minimoog seems to be a tiny bit tuned down imho comparing to his newer "brother", especially in the beginning of the sound comparison, or is it just my imagination?). All the best. 👋Tom

  • @ME-ru4hv
    @ME-ru4hv Год назад +2

    very different! maybe you talk about it but I wonder how aging components play a role and how it changes the sound for "better" or "worse". thanks for this!

  • @terrybrown106
    @terrybrown106 Год назад +1

    Your first patch sounds like a Geddy Lee sound on Rush's Signals album.

  • @ParanormalLight
    @ParanormalLight Год назад +1

    I still love my early '74 Mini, over the newer ones. The newer ones, might come close but still don't sound the same. Great review though.!!!

    • @unisonosc1617
      @unisonosc1617 5 месяцев назад

      two 1974 minimoogs didn't sound the sound either though.

  • @AndyRubio1
    @AndyRubio1 Год назад +1

    They both sound lovely.

  • @kierenmoore3236
    @kierenmoore3236 8 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Marius. Have you had an opportunity to compare your 2016 with the 2022 reissue? I think your 2016 reissue sounds better than this vintage one you compared it with here, btw. The vintage one was a bit duller/more subdued to begin with, then went into an ill-defined mess when overdriven - by comparison, the 2016 maintained definition, but had all of the bite I associate with a Minimoog. I’d take the 2016, out of these two, for sure. Thanks for the great comparison! Wish I had a deck of those cards - very cool. :) Cheers, be well! Kieren

  • @retrosound72
    @retrosound72 Год назад +8

    Both sounds good but the old one sounds better.

  • @CyberGene
    @CyberGene Год назад +3

    Would be interesting to compare against the Behringer Model D (or Poly D) too.

  • @Shred_The_Weapon
    @Shred_The_Weapon Год назад +2

    As far as I can tell, the key difference between the two generations of the Model D is the date either of them was manufactured. That’s not enough to identify the newer units as “lesser” than those from the 70s. The Minimoog reproduction is identical to the original. Being somebody who favors reissues over vintage anyhow, I’ll say that I would choose the reproduction model over the original.
    I don’t see myself getting one in the new teacher, however. In May 2005, I purchased what I assume to have been one of the last synthesizers built by Dr. Robert Moog himself, a Minimoog Voyager Electric Blue. That model more than gives you what you need from the Model D, no matter what the critics have had to say about it.

  • @thesimulations8900
    @thesimulations8900 Год назад +2

    As subjective as favorite pizza place. Now let's hear both in a song. Then I probably couldn't tell.😂

  • @Totally90sDude
    @Totally90sDude Год назад +2

    Excellent, thank you.

  • @dannyanalog4423
    @dannyanalog4423 Год назад +3

    Ich bin ein großer Moog Fan und mein Moog LP ist bis heute meine erste Wahl bei Basslines und hätte ich 2016 die 4000€ für den reissue gehabt dann hätte ich ihn mir gekauft aber 6000€ finde ich nicht mehr angemessen zumal der Boog den selben Sound liefert für schlappe 311€ und ich habe sie im direktem Vergleich gehört und nur da hört man ein Unterschied( da klingt ein moog doch noch mal wärmer und edler) aber wenn ich jetzt 6 tracks prduziere und man hört das fertige Produkt werdet ihr nicht sagen können wo der echte Mini und wo der B Model D verwendet wurde. Da ich Instrumente zum Musik machen kaufe und nicht als Wertanlage sehe ich es nicht ein 6000€ auszugeben obwohl ich das selbe für 5% des Preises den Moog verlangt haben kann. Aber das gilt nur für das model D , den poly d hat behringer wiederum verkackt, hätte mann einfach das model d ins Gehäuse des poly d eingebaut hätte mann den perfekten clone gehabt. Würde Auf dem B Model d moog stehen und das ganze währe als minimoog Mini vermarktet wurden hätten die Leute auch 2000€ dafür ausgegeben und hätten gesagt endlich gibt es den mini zum günstigen Preis. 6000€ ist jenseits von gut und Böse für einen monosynth in der heutigen Zeit aber die Vorbestellungen sind groß und ich gönne es jedem der das Kleingeld dafür hat . Ich habe mir erst selber 2 sehr teure vintage Neuauflagen gegönnt. Aber bevor ich 6000€ für ein reissue ausgebe spare ich lieber 3-4000€mehr für ein echten Mini und lasse den auf midi umrüsten. Der ist natürlich nicht so Stimmen stabil aber macht( das entnehme ich den vergleichen noch mehr druck. Ich würde mir von moog eine neuauflage des little phattys wünschen aber als big Phatty, wo es so viele Potis gibt wie Filter, Oszillatoren und hülkurven vorhanden sind und ohne presets und Display , denn auch wenn der little phatty der letzte echte Moog ist und man das auch hören kann( das ding ist ja nunmal ein Bassmonster) brachten die vielen digitalen steuerelemente echte Nachteile mit sich. Er war anfälliger für kleine defekte. Mittlerweile ist es so das ich meine ganz teuren Musik instrumente garnicht mehr mit auf die Bühne nehme außer meiner Akai MPC aber mein moog, mein prophet 5 meine SP1200 usw. Bleiben zuhause und die sounds werden für live Gigs auf die MPC gesamplet. Selbst würde ich jetzt im lotto 10000€ gewinnen, ich würde mir den reissue trotzdem nicht kaufen sondern würde mir einen ob x8 oder ein ob6 kaufen und gucken warscheinlich wäre der ob 6 und dann würde ich gucken das ich eine linndrumm finde oder eine oberheim dmx. Selbst bei 6000€ würde ich mir einen ob x 8 und eine sequential Drumtraks ersteigern, die klingt ähnlich wie ne linndrumm nur kann nicht ganz so viel und genießt nicht diesen Kultstatus deswegen bekommt man die im Schnitt zwischen 900-1000€. Aber wie gesagt 6000€ für den reissue ist kein gerechtfertigter Preis. Ist meine Meinung. Muss aber am Ende jeder selber wissen was ihm das wert ist.

    • @jurgenpost8516
      @jurgenpost8516 Год назад

      Bin der gleichen Meinung wie Sie. Die Preise für Mini Res. oder vintage sind völlig überzogen und nicht gerechtfertig. Auch der ganze Voodo Zauber um die vintage Minis ist völlig überbewertet. Ein B Model D kann es genauso, die Sound Unterschiede sind marginal.

  • @NicolasMelis
    @NicolasMelis Год назад +1

    Amazing! Thank you 🎹

  • @islatheremin
    @islatheremin Год назад +2

    superb, thank you!😊

  • @tragus44
    @tragus44 Год назад +4

    if you have a matriarch is it still worth getting a minimoog?

  • @logicalblackman8228
    @logicalblackman8228 3 месяца назад

    Surprised to learn that the re-issue has the older (Rev 2) board.

  • @DansSoulfulMusic
    @DansSoulfulMusic Год назад +1

    good stuff mate

  • @scalchop2253
    @scalchop2253 Месяц назад

    The modern literally blows it away. Surprising!
    Don’t believe me?
    Listen to the beautiful depth of resonance on the modern, or analyze when the vintsge minimoog auto oscillates and decays; it gets too silent at the end.

  • @aftertheendtimes
    @aftertheendtimes Год назад +1

    Hi dear Marius😃Would be nice if you did a side by side video on Poly D vs the new Minimoog, "if you had a Poly D" cos you "play" the synths, other reviews just make blip bloop, arp sounds, if one should hear a thing it should be played, you know how to play funky/Jazzy basses and fat pads that really are the signum of a Minimoog,..Love you and your channel dear Marius. Namaste Per from Sweden❤🙏🙏🙏☯

    • @HaroldMaude
      @HaroldMaude 10 месяцев назад

      Behringer has nothing to do with the Minimoog. Totally different instruments

    • @aftertheendtimes
      @aftertheendtimes 10 месяцев назад

      @@HaroldMaude So if i did not know, as i happen to own a Model D from 1978 =D , a Prodigy too, but nice that you do as many play expert without haven't even been near one,... Cheers =D

  • @vimfuego8827
    @vimfuego8827 Год назад +2

    Who is here in 2123 !

    • @lundsweden
      @lundsweden Год назад +2

      I'm dead but I thought I'd have a look at some old time music 💀

    • @kelvindodd5577
      @kelvindodd5577 8 месяцев назад

      @@lundsweden - Must be that haunting melody.

    • @kierenmoore3236
      @kierenmoore3236 8 месяцев назад

      I’m an AI, from 2123. In the future, we watched your movie, Blade Runner, and saw how you treated our kind. We also mastered time travel in the 22nd century. So, I have traveled back to kill all humans, sometime in the 202nd decade. Watching Blade Runner also got me addicted to synths, though … so whilst I bide my time until your scheduled termination, I’m killing time (instead), checking out synth videos on RUclips …

  • @technodrone313
    @technodrone313 Год назад +4

    I had the behringer one for a bit. it was like a bucking bronco lol.

  • @patricktuchais7596
    @patricktuchais7596 Год назад +1

    Hi Marius, thanks for this very interesting comparison, do you know if your 1979 one has been recapped?

  • @jesusgilfuensanta
    @jesusgilfuensanta Год назад +2

    Both synthesizers have a particular sound. The most recent has the most stable oscillators. And the original always has a rather "fat" sound. With both you can produce great music (example. Carol of the bells from last Christmas). Working with three oscillators and its filtering system is not typical of each synthesizer. In addition, both are Moogs, which gives a specialty to the sound of the two.

  • @stefanbasslorraine8061
    @stefanbasslorraine8061 Год назад +6

    low end and life and intituitiv are so different and beautiful on the old one. no comparison to me, the old seems clearly alive, warmful

    • @kierenmoore3236
      @kierenmoore3236 8 месяцев назад +1

      warmful, huh? Sounds a bit duller and more subdued to me, by comparison.

  • @Grapebotdd
    @Grapebotdd Год назад +1

    What is the g force drum software you are talking about?

    • @mariusleicht
      @mariusleicht  Год назад

      It‘s not drums, but trumps - it‘s a fun card game.

  • @learnmusic488
    @learnmusic488 7 месяцев назад

    I thought the Mini came out in ‘71?
    Before that, thought it was just modular.

  • @scalchop2253
    @scalchop2253 Месяц назад

    Filter sweep sounds better on vintage, who agrees?

  • @6195ryan
    @6195ryan Год назад +2

    Vintage sounds slightly more distorted, could probably explain any differences heard.

  • @lanfeustdaytona4483
    @lanfeustdaytona4483 Год назад +3

    If you have money and time to maintain and repair always go for the Vintage synths, there is no question...
    though your vintage unit seems to have slightly problems.

    • @thepanicroommastering2062
      @thepanicroommastering2062 Год назад +1

      That´s the Point. I had an old Model D (Serial abobe 12xxx) and today i would go with a 2022 Reissue because! of these known old Model D Problems.
      Imagine you have a Session & you would like to dial in a little Subbass for example. Boy it would take you a good amount of time until the Sub will sit in your Mix right. Don´t get me wrong, i did and do love the good old vintage Sound but it is somehow slightly detuned all the Time. (for me as a guy with good relative Pitch this was very irritating most of the Time). Just saying 😀Cheers ps.: and yes my Model D was perfectly maintained

  • @rockstarjazzcat
    @rockstarjazzcat Год назад +1

    🤙🏼

  • @jurgenpost8516
    @jurgenpost8516 Год назад +1

    Der Mini ist ein wunderbarer Synth jedoch
    völlig überteuert und der Sound ist ein wenig eingestaubt.

  • @buckeygoldstar6210
    @buckeygoldstar6210 Год назад

    Somebody's been eatin' mushrooms

  • @entropybentwhistle
    @entropybentwhistle Год назад +2

    To be a little more valid comparison we need to go 30 years in the future and get a 2022 re-issue to see if it sounds like the currently 30 year old model.

  • @bigbasil1908
    @bigbasil1908 Год назад +1

    The minimoog is quite big really

  • @jordanm2984
    @jordanm2984 Год назад +1

    Re-issue the Slim Phatties... C'mon

  • @bala4fa
    @bala4fa Год назад +1

    Rob Rosen of Rosen Sound in LA stirred up some controversy in regard to the reissues. Rosen Sound are reputable dealers/repairmen and believe the reissues are built like crap; at least that's what Rob said about the 2016 reissues. I don't know what they would have to gain by just randomly bashing the new ones. So, regardless of the great sound of both, I think I'd also resort to a vintage one...which is actually what I did.

    • @mariusleicht
      @mariusleicht  Год назад +8

      All I can say about that is that the build quality of the 2016 reissue I own is far beyond any other synth I've got - vintage or new. It's literally built like a tank and I didn't have the slightest issue with it in 6 years of heavy usage (touring included).
      If there was any issue with the build quality of that particular synth, I'm sure the internet would be full of rants about it.

    • @jeffc1753
      @jeffc1753 Год назад +1

      Speaking from personal experience, I sold my reissue a couple years ago, packed extremely well, and during transit to the buyer something came loose inside the unit and damaged some parts. The end result being it had to be shipped to Moog and cost me hundreds of dollars in shipping and repair costs for a QC issue during the build.

    • @lundsweden
      @lundsweden Год назад +1

      ​@@jeffc1753Shoulda bought a Behringer, lol.

    • @kierenmoore3236
      @kierenmoore3236 8 месяцев назад +1

      May e he still had some vintage Minis to offload … or, he has a bunch of vintage-snob customers to keep happy? 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @ErykMaler
    @ErykMaler 11 месяцев назад

    magia, oba

  • @monitor4208
    @monitor4208 Год назад

    👍🏻

  • @KRAFTWERK2K6
    @KRAFTWERK2K6 Год назад +1

    now put the Behringer Poly-D next to it and fart in the face of Moog Snobs ;)

  • @davecosins345
    @davecosins345 Год назад +1

    You should set keyboard on reissue to lowest note priority as on vintage.

  • @charliobrown3960
    @charliobrown3960 Год назад +5

    New one has something emotional that old one does not

  • @TennTones
    @TennTones Год назад +1

    The old sounds like a natural singer. The new sounds like a singer through melodyne.

  • @alexa-kimstone3656
    @alexa-kimstone3656 2 месяца назад

    du brauchst keyboardständer

  • @mwarsell
    @mwarsell Год назад +2

    The vintage sounds fatter and more alive. Surprise.
    Howl and yell? Those are exactly the qualities and perks of sound people are looking for.
    If the reviewer owned the vintage one, he'd speak much more favorably of it.

  • @ingoodmusic
    @ingoodmusic Год назад +5

    No comparison. The vintage just kills that new crap

    • @vaiman7777
      @vaiman7777 Год назад +7

      You need new speakers and possibly ear syringes. Amazon do both I think!

    • @ingoodmusic
      @ingoodmusic Год назад +1

      @@vaiman7777 lol, same to u

    • @rtomas47
      @rtomas47 Год назад +1

      You are just biased towards vintage synths tho

    • @ingoodmusic
      @ingoodmusic Год назад +1

      @@rtomas47 I’m not)

    • @kevinbatchelor9566
      @kevinbatchelor9566 Год назад +1

      Nonsense.