Here is a companion article that compliments this video. blog.lifeassuranceministries.org/2024/12/26/december-28-2024-january-3-2025/ Also a link to KASPARS OZOLINS article *'Adventism and Recent Developments in Evangelical Scholarship'* blog.lifeassuranceministries.org/2024/12/12/adventism-and-recent-developments-in-evangelical-scholarship/
I'm 73 years old and never grow tired of these delightful videos! Every time I watch one I am taken back to the basic, thrilling foundations of Christianity. These people have labored under Adventism for years, and their contagious joy is catching! The chief villain of these videos is ARMINIANISM, and Adventism is only one of many flavors, a flavor these ladies know inside out. Adventists that are watching these videos need to keep watching.. God has led you here to show you love you never knew existed.
You look beautiful and refreshed. I hope you had a Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year ahead, continuing to share Truths and call out the error of these deadly cults. 🙏✝️
Jess, we have addressed this question in the video. I suspect you may not have really watched the whole thing nor thought through what we are saying. The Bible teaches BOTH that God is utterly sovereign and in control of all creation in every way. There are no surprises to God. There is no "Plan B". He knows all things from eternity past. The mystery we cannot understand (because we are inside time and are not eternal creatures) is that concurrently, each person is responsible for his or her own decisions. God reveals Himself to all mankind, but the wicked suppress the knowledge of God by their wickedness. Yet all men are without excuse, because God revealed Himself to all (Romans 1:18-21). All humanity is born dead in sin-sinners BY NATURE-by the decree of God who judged all of Adam's descendants in Eden at the fall (1 Corinthians 15: 20-22).Romans 8 explains that God bound ALL CREATION to decay. Satan is not responsive for the thistles and thorns and brokenness in creation. That is God's own decree and judgment on all creation as a result of Adam's fall. We are born BY NATURE dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1-3), unable to seek, please, or know God (Romans 3:9-18). God has to intervene in order to give us the opportunity to come to life and to know Him. No person who is DEAD by nature can rise above his nature and choose God. God has to find us and reveal Himself. God absolutely knew that Adventism would come into existence and teach a false gospel. He knew that Calvinists would teach the biblical doctrine of predestination. He knew that the man with the wedding garment was going to try to crash the wedding party without accepting the host's terms of attendance. The tension we live with is that the Bible teaches that God foreknows, predestines, chooses, and elects His own. This truth is the foundation of reality. The Bible also teaches that each human is responsible for responding to God. We have to be made able to respond by God's own intervention, yet we are held responsible for our decision. We CANNOT EXPLAIN this tension. God has not revealed HOW this works. But we are told that it is true. So we live with the unexplained tension that God is COMPLETELY in charge and that He knows His own from the foundation of the earth (Revelation 13:8), and each one of us must respond to God as He reveals Himself to us. We know from the gospels how persistent people can be in refusing to acknowledge God's revelation; the Pharisees refused to believe, and they had God the Son in front of them and they had the prophecies to reveal that Jesus was fulfilling them. Yet they refused to believe. They, not God, are responsible for their unbelief. But by nature each of us is dead. God has to awaken us and reveal Himself, and we are responsible for what we do when we hear and see reality. At the same time, we cannot explain this tension. We have to live knowing both are true: God is sovereign and elects, chooses, predestines, and foreknows. We are responsible for our own responses. We live without knowing HOW because we are NOT GOD. We are creatures, and we live within His laws. We trust Him. And when we submit ourselves to His revelation of His sovereignty and our responsibility, the tension dissolves even without understanding it because we learn to trust the One who knows us and saves us. We find our answers in Him, not in our understanding of difficult facts. He IS our truth and life!
There is no light in her ....1 Timothy 2:9 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 1 Peter 3:3-4 3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight
She looks to me to be a real and nice lady with a beatiful heart. I would trust her and what she is saying than someone who makes comments about other people's dressing.
I cannot help but notice the very name of this ministry identifies it as an organization of self-identified victims. I finished the lesson hoping to find something relevant. Insisting that Jesus was not a victim, and that the Adventist author was in serious error simply by stating that Jesus was a victim-"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Perhaps offense is being taken at perceived connotations to the word victim-perhaps even confusing it with what is looked down upon today as the victim mentality. According to The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition: victim /vĭk′tĭm/ noun 1) One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act. "a victim of a mugging." 2) A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite. 3) One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition. "victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty." Jesus was indeed a victim by the basic, straightforward definition of the word. To say otherwise would seem to be an actual heresy. I say that lightly, not really thinking that the misunderstanding itself characterizes you as a heretic. You have a wonderful style, and the presentation was very professional in terms of quality and delivery. However, the entire lesson goes on in this manner, and it smacks of disgruntlement. By saying so much about so little, you actually discredit yourself and lend credibility to the Adventist author. I strongly suspect this lesson flags him as a potential victim as well in the minds of viewers not familiar with the specific doctrinal disagreements held by the two ministries. I'm not saying you are wrong for working in a ministry whose primary objective is to discredit another ministry. I'm just suggesting that this lesson, if it were to be evaluated by a Seminary professor, would very likely receive poor marks. I'm not giving up on you though. I will watch more content. ❤ This one may just be an outlier.
I saw nothing that you saw. Jesus was not a victim but willingly gave Himself to save us. And this ministry’s purpose is a type of evangelism to those who are trapped ina distorted version of Christianity, much like what Paul intensely attacked in the book of Galatians. I would hope similar ministries exist to combat other distorted versions of Christianity such as Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons.
It seems you have an agenda that you wanted to state...which was not relevant to the video. OK.. Jesus was NOT a victim but a willing sacrifice for our sins. Rather like a soldier who willingly throws himself on a grenade to save his companions, is not a victim but a hero. I've never dealt with adventists, this is my first video from a pro or con adventist...but a person who has a channel discussing what they were once and how they find it at odds with what they find in the Bible, is a pretty common thing. Especially among people who have been harmed by various ministries, and the doctrines that that they disagree with can finally be discussed.
@@jsimoes9424 No agenda @whyme7996 and @Jsimoes9424, other than to be helpful to the presenter. I was just scrolling through suggested videos, and was a bit surprised to find such weak arguments in this one. I did watch another video from her after commenting on this one, and I found it more compelling. You may not have seen what I "saw", but the definition of victim is "One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act.", "a living creature slain", etc... Are you saying Jesus was not harmed or killed by another? Are you saying he was not a living creature slain? Again, I suspect you may also be confusing the very simple word "victim" with "victim mentality". Or perhaps we are making the mistake of thinking that the very simple term victim in some way excludes the status of martyr? Or perhaps self-sacrifice? For example, the men who died on the Titanic by insisting the women and children evactuate the sinking ship gave their lives willingly, but they were also victims to the circumstances at hand. The third definition applies succinctly here: "One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition". Again, I'm not saying this ministry is wrong for trying to prove another doctrine is wrong. I am saying this particular lesson is not doing a good job at serving that purpose. Perhaps take a step back from personal involvment and look at it from a neutral or outside perspective. I am correct in saying that the dictionary definition of victim applies with absolute certainty to Jesus. How do you define the word victim? That might clear things up a bit. ❤ I will include this again to maintain a legitimate reference: victim /vĭk′tĭm/ noun 1) One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act. "a victim of a mugging." 2) A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite. 3) One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition. "victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty."
@@whyme7996 No agenda @whyme7996 and @Jsimoes9424, other than to be helpful to the presenter. I was just scrolling through suggested videos, and was a bit surprised to find such weak arguments in this one. I did watch another video from her after commenting on this one, and I found it more compelling. You may not have seen what I "saw", but the definition of victim is "One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act.", "a living creature slain", etc... Are you saying Jesus was not harmed or killed by another? Are you saying he was not a living creature slain? Again, I suspect you may also be confusing the very simple word "victim" with "victim mentality". Or perhaps we are making the mistake of thinking that the very simple term victim in some way excludes the status of martyr? Or perhaps self-sacrifice? For example, the men who died on the Titanic by insisting the women and children evactuate the sinking ship gave their lives willingly, but they were also victims to the circumstances at hand. The third definition applies succinctly here: "One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition". Again, I'm not saying this ministry is wrong for trying to prove another doctrine is wrong. I am saying this particular lesson is not doing a good job at serving that purpose. Perhaps take a step back from personal involvment and look at it from a neutral or outside perspective. I am correct in saying that the dictionary definition of victim applies with absolute certainty to Jesus. How do you define the word victim? That might clear things up a bit. ❤ I will include this again to maintain a legitimate reference: victim /vĭk′tĭm/ noun 1) One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act. "a victim of a mugging." 2) A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite. 3) One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition. "victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty."
@@charliethesoundguy Thanks for your comments. I want to explain why it is important to address the Sabbath School lesson calling Jesus a "victim of evil". The background worldview of Adventism is that Jesus and Satan are engaged in an ongoing battle for the souls of men initiated when, according to the SDA prophet Ellen White, Jesus was exalted to the position of God's Son before the creation of the world. Lucifer, jealous because Jesus was chosen instead of him, falsely accused God of being unfair and of giving people a law too difficult to keep. Thus Lucifer incited one-third of the angels to rebel against Jesus, and they are engaged to this day in the ongoing "great controversy" that humans will help Jesus win by showing that they, like He, actually CAN keep the law. Adventism teaches that Jesus had no advantage over regular people, that He gave up His God powers and overcame sin and temptation exactly as we can: by praying and relying on the Holy Spirit. Satan has full permission from God to test and torment humanity so that the depth of his evil will be fully seen by the watching worlds. The Adventist Jesus, having "no advantage" over the rest of us mortals, was likewise tormented and tempted just like we are-but He was more noble than we are and showed the universe that Satan could be resisted. The idea that Jesus was a victim of evil, as stated in the lesson, has to be understood from this SDA worldview. But Jesus was not a victim of Satan. He was God the Son who freely offered Himself as a sacrifice and as the Lamb of God. His suffering on earth was not a demonstration of goodness or faithfulness like we can exhibit, but it was the evidence of who He is. Satan hates Jesus and His people, but His people are not those who figure out how to observe the commandments. His people are those who BELIEVE in Him and His complete atonement.
Here is a companion article that compliments this video. blog.lifeassuranceministries.org/2024/12/26/december-28-2024-january-3-2025/
Also a link to KASPARS OZOLINS article *'Adventism and Recent Developments in Evangelical Scholarship'* blog.lifeassuranceministries.org/2024/12/12/adventism-and-recent-developments-in-evangelical-scholarship/
Thanks for the link to Kaspar's article as well!
I'm 73 years old and never grow tired of these delightful videos! Every time I watch one I am taken back to the basic, thrilling foundations of Christianity. These people have labored under Adventism for years, and their contagious joy is catching! The chief villain of these videos is ARMINIANISM, and Adventism is only one of many flavors, a flavor these ladies know inside out. Adventists that are watching these videos need to keep watching.. God has led you here to show you love you never knew existed.
You look beautiful and refreshed. I hope you had a Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year ahead, continuing to share Truths and call out the error of these deadly cults. 🙏✝️
Yes we love you and your ministry of love for the sda people
Amen and God bless 🙏✝️🕊❤🌹
Thats it NEO -ADVENTISM . LOVE..............
Was the man without the wedding garment predestined to be there?
Do we actually have a choice to repent? Isn't that also predestined?
Jess, we have addressed this question in the video. I suspect you may not have really watched the whole thing nor thought through what we are saying. The Bible teaches BOTH that God is utterly sovereign and in control of all creation in every way. There are no surprises to God. There is no "Plan B". He knows all things from eternity past. The mystery we cannot understand (because we are inside time and are not eternal creatures) is that concurrently, each person is responsible for his or her own decisions. God reveals Himself to all mankind, but the wicked suppress the knowledge of God by their wickedness. Yet all men are without excuse, because God revealed Himself to all (Romans 1:18-21). All humanity is born dead in sin-sinners BY NATURE-by the decree of God who judged all of Adam's descendants in Eden at the fall (1 Corinthians 15: 20-22).Romans 8 explains that God bound ALL CREATION to decay. Satan is not responsive for the thistles and thorns and brokenness in creation. That is God's own decree and judgment on all creation as a result of Adam's fall. We are born BY NATURE dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1-3), unable to seek, please, or know God (Romans 3:9-18). God has to intervene in order to give us the opportunity to come to life and to know Him. No person who is DEAD by nature can rise above his nature and choose God. God has to find us and reveal Himself. God absolutely knew that Adventism would come into existence and teach a false gospel. He knew that Calvinists would teach the biblical doctrine of predestination. He knew that the man with the wedding garment was going to try to crash the wedding party without accepting the host's terms of attendance. The tension we live with is that the Bible teaches that God foreknows, predestines, chooses, and elects His own. This truth is the foundation of reality. The Bible also teaches that each human is responsible for responding to God. We have to be made able to respond by God's own intervention, yet we are held responsible for our decision. We CANNOT EXPLAIN this tension. God has not revealed HOW this works. But we are told that it is true. So we live with the unexplained tension that God is COMPLETELY in charge and that He knows His own from the foundation of the earth (Revelation 13:8), and each one of us must respond to God as He reveals Himself to us. We know from the gospels how persistent people can be in refusing to acknowledge God's revelation; the Pharisees refused to believe, and they had God the Son in front of them and they had the prophecies to reveal that Jesus was fulfilling them. Yet they refused to believe. They, not God, are responsible for their unbelief. But by nature each of us is dead. God has to awaken us and reveal Himself, and we are responsible for what we do when we hear and see reality. At the same time, we cannot explain this tension. We have to live knowing both are true: God is sovereign and elects, chooses, predestines, and foreknows. We are responsible for our own responses. We live without knowing HOW because we are NOT GOD. We are creatures, and we live within His laws. We trust Him. And when we submit ourselves to His revelation of His sovereignty and our responsibility, the tension dissolves even without understanding it because we learn to trust the One who knows us and saves us. We find our answers in Him, not in our understanding of difficult facts. He IS our truth and life!
Did God predestine SDAs to reject Calvinistic presuppositions?
So is he an Adventist? or an Evangelist?
Did God predestine all mankind to be sinful?
There is no light in her ....1 Timothy 2:9 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,
1 Peter 3:3-4 3 Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4 Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight
She looks to me to be a real and nice lady with a beatiful heart. I would trust her and what she is saying than someone who makes comments about other people's dressing.
I cannot help but notice the very name of this ministry identifies it as an organization of self-identified victims. I finished the lesson hoping to find something relevant.
Insisting that Jesus was not a victim, and that the Adventist author was in serious error simply by stating that Jesus was a victim-"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Perhaps offense is being taken at perceived connotations to the word victim-perhaps even confusing it with what is looked down upon today as the victim mentality. According to The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition:
victim /vĭk′tĭm/
noun
1) One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act.
"a victim of a mugging."
2) A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
3) One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition.
"victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty."
Jesus was indeed a victim by the basic, straightforward definition of the word. To say otherwise would seem to be an actual heresy. I say that lightly, not really thinking that the misunderstanding itself characterizes you as a heretic. You have a wonderful style, and the presentation was very professional in terms of quality and delivery. However, the entire lesson goes on in this manner, and it smacks of disgruntlement. By saying so much about so little, you actually discredit yourself and lend credibility to the Adventist author. I strongly suspect this lesson flags him as a potential victim as well in the minds of viewers not familiar with the specific doctrinal disagreements held by the two ministries.
I'm not saying you are wrong for working in a ministry whose primary objective is to discredit another ministry. I'm just suggesting that this lesson, if it were to be evaluated by a Seminary professor, would very likely receive poor marks. I'm not giving up on you though. I will watch more content. ❤ This one may just be an outlier.
I saw nothing that you saw. Jesus was not a victim but willingly gave Himself to save us. And this ministry’s purpose is a type of evangelism to those who are trapped ina distorted version of Christianity, much like what Paul intensely attacked in the book of Galatians.
I would hope similar ministries exist to combat other distorted versions of Christianity such as Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons.
It seems you have an agenda that you wanted to state...which was not relevant to the video. OK..
Jesus was NOT a victim but a willing sacrifice for our sins. Rather like a soldier who willingly throws himself on a grenade to save his companions, is not a victim but a hero.
I've never dealt with adventists, this is my first video from a pro or con adventist...but a person who has a channel discussing what they were once and how they find it at odds with what they find in the Bible, is a pretty common thing. Especially among people who have been harmed by various ministries, and the doctrines that that they disagree with can finally be discussed.
@@jsimoes9424 No agenda @whyme7996 and @Jsimoes9424, other than to be helpful to the presenter. I was just scrolling through suggested videos, and was a bit surprised to find such weak arguments in this one. I did watch another video from her after commenting on this one, and I found it more compelling.
You may not have seen what I "saw", but the definition of victim is "One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act.", "a living creature slain", etc... Are you saying Jesus was not harmed or killed by another? Are you saying he was not a living creature slain? Again, I suspect you may also be confusing the very simple word "victim" with "victim mentality".
Or perhaps we are making the mistake of thinking that the very simple term victim in some way excludes the status of martyr? Or perhaps self-sacrifice? For example, the men who died on the Titanic by insisting the women and children evactuate the sinking ship gave their lives willingly, but they were also victims to the circumstances at hand. The third definition applies succinctly here: "One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition".
Again, I'm not saying this ministry is wrong for trying to prove another doctrine is wrong. I am saying this particular lesson is not doing a good job at serving that purpose. Perhaps take a step back from personal involvment and look at it from a neutral or outside perspective. I am correct in saying that the dictionary definition of victim applies with absolute certainty to Jesus. How do you define the word victim? That might clear things up a bit. ❤
I will include this again to maintain a legitimate reference:
victim /vĭk′tĭm/
noun
1) One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act.
"a victim of a mugging."
2) A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
3) One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition.
"victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty."
@@whyme7996 No agenda @whyme7996 and @Jsimoes9424, other than to be helpful to the presenter. I was just scrolling through suggested videos, and was a bit surprised to find such weak arguments in this one. I did watch another video from her after commenting on this one, and I found it more compelling.
You may not have seen what I "saw", but the definition of victim is "One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act.", "a living creature slain", etc... Are you saying Jesus was not harmed or killed by another? Are you saying he was not a living creature slain? Again, I suspect you may also be confusing the very simple word "victim" with "victim mentality".
Or perhaps we are making the mistake of thinking that the very simple term victim in some way excludes the status of martyr? Or perhaps self-sacrifice? For example, the men who died on the Titanic by insisting the women and children evactuate the sinking ship gave their lives willingly, but they were also victims to the circumstances at hand. The third definition applies succinctly here: "One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition".
Again, I'm not saying this ministry is wrong for trying to prove another doctrine is wrong. I am saying this particular lesson is not doing a good job at serving that purpose. Perhaps take a step back from personal involvment and look at it from a neutral or outside perspective. I am correct in saying that the dictionary definition of victim applies with absolute certainty to Jesus. How do you define the word victim? That might clear things up a bit. ❤
I will include this again to maintain a legitimate reference:
victim /vĭk′tĭm/
noun
1) One who is harmed or killed by another, especially by someone committing a criminal or unlawful act.
"a victim of a mugging."
2) A living creature slain and offered as a sacrifice during a religious rite.
3) One who is harmed by or made to suffer under a circumstance or condition.
"victims of war; victims of an epidemic; victims of poverty."
@@charliethesoundguy Thanks for your comments. I want to explain why it is important to address the Sabbath School lesson calling Jesus a "victim of evil". The background worldview of Adventism is that Jesus and Satan are engaged in an ongoing battle for the souls of men initiated when, according to the SDA prophet Ellen White, Jesus was exalted to the position of God's Son before the creation of the world. Lucifer, jealous because Jesus was chosen instead of him, falsely accused God of being unfair and of giving people a law too difficult to keep. Thus Lucifer incited one-third of the angels to rebel against Jesus, and they are engaged to this day in the ongoing "great controversy" that humans will help Jesus win by showing that they, like He, actually CAN keep the law. Adventism teaches that Jesus had no advantage over regular people, that He gave up His God powers and overcame sin and temptation exactly as we can: by praying and relying on the Holy Spirit. Satan has full permission from God to test and torment humanity so that the depth of his evil will be fully seen by the watching worlds. The Adventist Jesus, having "no advantage" over the rest of us mortals, was likewise tormented and tempted just like we are-but He was more noble than we are and showed the universe that Satan could be resisted. The idea that Jesus was a victim of evil, as stated in the lesson, has to be understood from this SDA worldview. But Jesus was not a victim of Satan. He was God the Son who freely offered Himself as a sacrifice and as the Lamb of God. His suffering on earth was not a demonstration of goodness or faithfulness like we can exhibit, but it was the evidence of who He is. Satan hates Jesus and His people, but His people are not those who figure out how to observe the commandments. His people are those who BELIEVE in Him and His complete atonement.