CabooseXBL Here's an explanation: there is no real ending. Like scarecrow said: without fear life is meaningless. Well he was right. Batman is fear n as long as fear exists there is no ending. Bruce is still out planing for the worst. War is over but a new battle is beginning. There is fear in the world. That theif said batman is dead. Batman is fear n fear lives on. One last thing has to happen before it is declared over. Crime will never stop but neither will Batman.
Hey Caboose! Could you do a reaction on our reactions to the game? We give you our reactions to the game and you react to our reactions! It's just a thought but I hope you could consider it! Great vids keep up the good work!
CabooseXBL (SPOILERS) i wanted to see what happens when u ignittate knightfall protocol , but i was waiting to finish riddler but hes talking to long , caboose theres no way DC would let them kill batman. And yes the theroy he uses fear toxin is solid , at the end of the game (SPOILERS) when batman injects scarecrow with fear toxin he looks at batman in fright and then we see scarecrows perspective and batman is on fire with demon red eyes and a huge burning bat symbol behind him plus we have this same reaction at the start of the game where thres a mitila commander holding poison ivy but he gets exposed to fear toxin he also looks at batman in fright. Hes not dead , batman mentions in the arkham series he has multiple bat caves , possibly one under wayne manor too . Hes alive and because he wasnt in fear no more (at end of game) he still has that fear toxin inside of him and turns it to his advantage. As you know when batman took of his mask they knew then it was bruce wayne so they no longer feared him , u can witness it for yourself , thugs comment that hes just a billionaire playboy ect. Hes blows up the manor as a fresh start. That cut scene of the mugging is how batman was born , and now its the time hes fully batman , a evolution if you'll like to say. Because he now uses fear the one thing everybody lost for him as they knew it was bruce but now they see this evolved batman with hes different tattic. Its no longer bruce wayne its just batman full time , hes a gardian now. No dick , tim or azeral is batman . Hes still batman but peirces the hearts of the criminals with fear , that one thing he lost. And that one thing that made batman , batman. Just my theroy. Another kool things you guys can check out , go into the clock tower , open up the bat computer transformation thing once thats done , look to the right there should be a key pad. Hack it using the hacking device and the book shelf will flip and then a door behind the book shelf open , lights inside turn on then theres bat girls costume (SPOILERS) Oracle Aka barbra gordon is bat girl for those who dont know.
So here is what I could gather from this ending. Batman faked his death so now the public think that Bruce Wayne and obviously Batman are dead. Since now everyone knows Batman is Bruce Wayne he knew he would never be feared anymore. So he killed off his persona of Bruce Wayne so he is now Batman full time. But when you finish the Riddler side mission in the game Barman talks to Catwoman saying that Gotham needs something more than Batman. So as I already said Batman kills off Bruce Wayne because he knew he would never be feared again. So he now uses the fear toxin to "Be something more than Batman." Now he is not just a man. He is now a symbol, and a symbol is something you can't get rid of, something you can't do anything about. Batman wanted to be more than just a man and the only way he could do that is to make the world think Batman was dead. At least that's how I interpreted the ending to the game.
Bruce Wayne was the mask. Batman was his true colors. Batman had to kill off Bruce Wayne to be able to continue on as Batman. With the world watching him die, Bruce himself could become the Batman, or another person could take up the mantle. I personally think/hope this will setup Batman Beyond.
It isn't future gotham yet! Azrael is locked up apparently, so the only members capable of even putting on the mantle are: Jason, Tim or dick. Jason abandons the 'Arkham knight' persona and becomes the red hood! Tim is supposedly still robin while dick is the only capable person left of becoming batman at this point in time, where Tim who I guess is considered as dick's younger brother, can be HIS robin!!!
I personally think/hope that all the DLC's we get all up until the very last one; have their own thing going on, but also some exclusive DLC only missions, showing gotham in hell after batman's so called "death". (Doubt it though). and the very last DLC can unlock all characters for free roam, with a exclusive DLC mission ONLY TITLED......... BATMAN ARKHAM KNIGHT: BATTLE FOR THE COWL!!!!! HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE!!!!!
I think the same thing. He faked his death to get rid of his persona to become a full time batman. And to instill fear into his opponents again, he utilizes some form of feat toxin.
The Calendar man is there! In Arkham City he said: I was there in your beginning... And I'll be there in the end. And there he was, with all that people watching Bruce Wayne die...
It was so suspicious to see Alfred willing to do this since he is always caring about bruces life like in origins. Alfred was way to calm that's why I think Bruce faked his death.
Everyone is saying oh its azreal or Grayson or Bruce with the fear toxin. There is no right answer. Endings are extremely hard to write, tying up loose ends and making it so that consumers are satisfied with what happens next wothout wanting more content os very difficult. The ending we see here is a very common cop out, very unimaginative and lazy, but works every time. They want you to make your own ending because rather than taking a risk and saying this is how it ends, now everyone has a different take om the ending so everyones satisfied. People who say its azreal wanted to see azreal become batman. People who say Bruce need Bruce to be batman. In reality they didn't make an ending we did.
Jot Bean so waiting months fpr them to pull an ending out of a hat and go with it, or tailor a new ending onto dlc, is less depressing than facing the reality that they didn't know how to end it so they used a very common tool for the ending.
But it clearly is batman with fear toxin as when batman flys toward those guys at the end, its the same way he looked when he injected scarecrow with toxin.
I think it's more symbolic than anything else. I'm guessing rocksteady wanted it to be vague and up for interpretation as it kinda shows the perspective of the muggers and reinforces the idea that batman is more than just a man that he is a creature of the night and preys on criminals fears. I don't really think there is a logical explanation for that ending and it kinda plays on the legend of the batman.
Zein Alfurati yes, thats how normally criminals would think the Batman would look like. People see him as a Spirit a ghost, a giant bat, a devil. I don't believe that it's fear toxin taken over those two thugs. When his masked was removed he is no longer that Myth that people thought. He's now human. After his disappearance this Batman is now that same Myth in Origins how people fear him when he was young.
Yes, this is also my interpretation! The fear toxin spread into the city will always have the Batman effect on the criminals but much more dramatic than the real Batman!
My theory was that he was brought back to life, but different. Like he is a saint, a different kind of saint. Like a Dark Saint. But fear gas and fake death works too.
Scarecrow made batman think barbara was dead by using the fear toxin against him but as you progress through the game you save her from after her falling off a skyscraper.
I cannot express enough, just how excellent this game was. Driving the bat mobile and interacting with Nightwing, Robin and Catwoman allowed for the complete batman experience. One of the best games I've ever played!
EVERYONE AZRAEL IS NOT BATMAN!!!! 1.It is Michael Lane Azrael he never became Batman in The comics 2. By the mere fact that you can choose to lock him up or not means that he is either hunting down the order of st Dumas or rotting away in a prison cell 3. Bruce would never kill Alfred so he is still alive
Bruce faked his death to instantly dissuade people from thinking that he was batman, and one of three things happened afterwards. 1. Someone else took over as batman (it has happened multiple times before) 2. That's still Bruce, but he is using the fear toxin now (like caboose said) Or 3. That looked a hell of a lot like the hellbat armor from the comic "Robin Rising" that was created by the justice league for batman to have enough power to face deities like darkseid on his own. It gives him shadow powers, super speed, super strength, claws, massive wings to fly, and is near indestructible. If that is in fact what we saw, then that is a direct connection to the justice league and opens up more possibilities for more games in the future.
This is what I think happened: At the end of the game just before Batman blows up the Wayne Manor, he tells Alfred that it's for them or something like that. Batman and Alfred fake their death and go into the Batcave before the Manor blows up. Bruce now becomes a full-time Batman and uses the fear toxin to his advantage. The End
I think it's Jason Todd, as he would have access to the new fear toxin due to his role as the Arkham Knight as well as him turning good at the end and saving Batman, perhaps having a revelation and realizing that he was the bad one, therefore making him want to repay Batman by taking up his mantle. Only way I can explain it without the loose ended story of Azrael
I believe that batman is dead but the work he has done left an image in the minds of Gotham's criminals and that he has become a symbol that the criminal's can't shake. Batman may have died physically but what he represented to Gotham's criminals lives on.
Maybe nothing happened at all, maybe bruce actually died, and those criminals are still being affected by a long term effect of the fear gas and they think they're seeing batman, when there isn't actually anyone standing on that roof, because the fear that batman put into the criminals of Gotham still exists in their minds, because they know that batman is a symbol and cannot be killed whilst Bruce obviously can be killed, and they are still warey of a new batman, even if there isn't one. Just my theory, it's probably incorrect but it's a thought worth sharing.
CamzFiftyFive Nah, that's not Bruce's style. The plan was for him to kill Bruce (fake his death) so that Batman can live. He uses the fear toxin as a weapon now.
during the scene where Jim Gordon is driving through the city, you can see many large posters the say "the all new mayor of Gotham city, James Gordon"!
CabooseXBL there's a solomon grundy easter egg in Arkham Knight, there's a secret door you can open in the city and it has a gramophone playing the chant, "born on a monday...etc" with a wanted poster for solomon grundy.
All the criminals in Gotham were exposed to the fear toxin by the cloud burst, the lingering effects of it make them permanently vulnerable to fear/panic (not to mention a nasty case of ptsd) so Batman can use a much less potent toxin which will trigger them without harming civilians
Theyre for sure making a superman game next, i heard another mention for the 4th time. Two thugs were betting on the batmans identity and one of them lost because he said batman was a refugee from a dying planet, then the other ones like :" i feel like i heard that before"
I dont remember where it was at, but there is a scene where batman is watching the tv moniter in GCPD and Zsasz is seen on the sidewalk in the camera footage. So this confirms that Zsasz is in Arkham Knight.
it's a hint to a new beginning, and he tells gordon to take care of his loved ones! He is also told "the best hero is one that's isolated with no one close." so he dies now he can hunt people down in this new persona, without needing to fear for his loved ones lives!!!
Caboose I think,like the Commisoner said.Criminals are supersititious and coward.Batman is long gone maybe,but they still have the fear that he will show up in someday,
Knight fall is this program batman started when his back was broken in the comics. Obviously it might be different for rocksteady, but I believe that maybe Bruce passed on the mantel of being batman to azrael, because in the comics, azrael becomes the "knight fall" batman, as Bruce couldn't be batman, it's just a theory, but a very likely one too
If you read the comics you would know that batman passes the cowl to Azrael but then comes back after Azrael goes abit crazy and becomes batman again. It looks like this is Azrael at the end as if you compare to the outfit he wore it looks very similar
I feel like it's either Batman using fear toxin or maybe Batman Beyond, as explained in comics, Bruce Wayne makes a clone based on his dna to create a younger version of him and trains the clone to become the new batman or batman beyond
I'm still not convinced that Bruce is dead but if you look closely, the explosion happens just as the front door closes, would that give both Bruce and Alfred enough time to find some way out of the manor? also wouldn't detectives find a secret passage that would have been used to escape? also i dont know but wouldn't there have been some sort of forensic evidence left behind that could prove that there was a body or something left in the building.
Because I'm too impatient to wait for those idiots to fix the pc port lol. This didn't spoil all of it though. I'll still enjoy the game once it becomes playable
it sucked that Twitch cut off the blocked scenes. 6 months of DLC and we know everything that has been released.. so.. what will the 6 months be? so hype.
I think it's Michael Lane(Azrael). Bruce has decided to pass the torch to him and Azrael uses the fear toxin. What an amazing ending to one of the best video game series of all time.
Guys I need your help! You know the "All Who Follow You" trailer where it shows the shot of Nightwing, Batman and Robin looking over Gotham, I'm trying to find that cutscene!!!
We could find out who the batman figure is at the end of knighfall in the gotham city stories dlc when it comes out, it said you will control batman's allies in story missions before and after the story
I think it could be knight wing taking on the role of batman and that Bruce isn't dead. Batman in the (azreal side missions) did say (basically) he was looking for a replacement and I think knight wing would be a perfect fit the only problem with this is what happen to Tim did he become red robin and protect bludhaven? or it possibly could be red hood and then pick up the battle of the cowl story line. Caboose could you please comment and tell me what you think of this theory any holes that I missed or if you think it's right or wrong thank you and keep up the good work.
In the end batman killed himself to protect his family. Thus the knight fall protocol as you could see the city wasn't safe yet, so Bruce came back as a bat like spirit to save his city.(definitely not fear toxin)
When Bruce said its the only way to protect them, I'm pretty sure he's talking about Dick, Jason, Tim and Barbara. That way no one will ever come after them.
Maybe Batman is dead, it could be fear toxin, remember when the whole city populated by criminals was hit with fear gas from the Cloudburst, maybe they're afraid that Batman didn't die, I think I remember Batman saying something like when he's gone the Batman will still live, maybe they're hallucinating from the fear gas from before because that batman is called Nightmare Batman, it says so on the concept art for it
My take on it is that the family were identical to bruce's family, obviously. I think this is to symbolise that because of batman, there is now someone to stop what happened to bruce and his parents. That's what he set out to do from the beginning. And that means his goal is finally complete.
***** My first thought seeing this ending was that the family was that of Terry McGinnis (Batman Beyond). In the comics and animated tv show, Terry's parents were almost killed, but the violent act was stopped by something. The symbol of Batman is what lives on, as all the other characters have their own missions and personas, and the Knightfall Protocol must have taken Bruce Wayne out of the cowl.
Because of the "Heir to the Cowl" side mission, and the "KinghtFall Protocol" comic, I think it was surely azrael... I don't see how Batman wouldn't die from that explosion, as soon as the door closed, everything blew up, so he wouldn't have anywhere to go, he actually killed himself
Bruce faked his death but still didn't come back to being the bat, it's azrael because I mean it is called KnightFall Protocol which is when Azrael became the batman
Caboose , I've never bought an Arkham game with DLC and bonus suits and all that (specifically the red hood story pack) does it come directly with the game or do you have to buy it differently ?
It's evidently Azrael. That's the whole point of his rather ridiculous side mission is to prove that he is a worthy successor. Even Joker gives it away at Ace Chemicals "We are going to give this city what it deserves. A new Batman. A better Batman. A darker, more..".
If you look up Batman knight fall protocol ending explained it explains what really had happened. When scarecrow injected the fear toxin into Batman it killed BRUCE WAYNE. Not BATMAN. For clarification, Batman and Bruce Wayne were two different people that were trying to outwit one another. In Batman Arkham city Bruce Wayne was trying to help Gotham city without getting help from Batman. Fast forward to this game, again when scarecrow had injected the toxin for the first time it only killed Bruce Wayne . Bruce Wayne’s main fear was the joker. In Bruce’s hallucination, it shows us joker destroying Gotham. This concludes that the JOKER HAD WON. That’s why the joker had appeared in the trap instead of Bruce Wayne . Then scarecrow injected the joker aka Bruce Wayne and then we were introduced to Joker’s fear. His fear was being forgotten. At the very end of the hallucination we see BATMAN not BRUCE WAYNE. At the end of the hallucination we see what we think is Bruce Wayne but really is BATMAN. When “Bruce Wayne “ looked at scarecrow he had that stone hard expression on his face who had no reaction. Even when he was fighting scarecrow he had no reaction on his face whatsoever. That was Batman. This concludes that the struggle on who will see daylight between Batman and Bruce Wayne was over. Batman had won. So this youtuber was correct BATMAN faked is own death. Bruce Wayne as Batman wanted himself to die, but he wanted the legend to live. He was talking about Batman. In conclusion to all of this, the flying bat at the end was the ACTUAL BATMAN. Again if you guys do not believe me then look up knightfall protocol ending explained.
I think that Jim had no choice other than to let Azrael out and be the new 'Batman'. If not that then maybe they inject everyone with criminal records with toxin that only takes place when they're doing something bad? Maybe there will be DLC's to clear things up like a DLC of Oracle given an antidote to be un-paralysed? So it could lead onto a Batgirl and Robin game? I dunno. Hopefully Rocksteady carry on with the DC games such as The Flash, Superman, Green Arrow or the Birds Of Prey since there was hidden Easter eggs about them.
I think bruce wayne's dead because he had not the time to get safe when the manor exploded ( look the video again: the manor blows 15 seconds after batman has entered in it ). For the batman we see in the end of the cutscene it looks like the batman scarecrow sees when he his under the toxin's effects so I think Rocksteady wanted to show us through this game that batman is not just a man it's a legend and it never die. This batman could be anybody. It could be a person unknown like someone who has lost his parents or azrael or nightwing or robin or red hood.
That is azreal because he says start protocol knightfall and in Arkhangelsk origins azreals skin is called knightfall. Plus in the comics azreal becomes batman when Bane breaks Bruce's back. Then Bruce takes the angle back because azreal was too brutal as seen there using the toxin. Eventually Bruce will come back
It wasn't the fear toxin because batman would either use a syringe to give to the thugs but he never did that or he could use the gas but that would also effect the kid and his parents and he wouldn't do that so its most likely someone new over all I think they should make another game about that batman.
This was amazing I got 100 percent to and I had the same reaction now my question tho is the season pass were is all my content all I get is the Thomas Wayne batman costume please tell me I need to know
Hey guys in the gcpd there is a news report that says Arkham City to be renovated for 300m by Wayne enterprises maybe this isn't the end after all what do u think?
Here is my theory, ok so since bruce died..He is not feared anymore right?So listen i think bruce's soul wa s transfered to azarel to become knight fall and that when knightfall dies,bruce will be ressurected from the lazurus pit and become bat man again..
Okay when I was roaming around the gcpd I came across a news article reading 'Wayne enterprises deposits 300m for new Arkham City renovation' could this be a lead on I mean we had one in asylum for city the secret office and we had one in city for knight which was azreals speech so what do you Arkham fans think
caboose I didn't get that ending because I had two villains were riddler and deathstroke the only ending I got was that Alfred or Bruce destroy the mansion, did they show that part in the ending of the credits??
I have dedicated my belief within three theories of the ending in Arkham Knight: 1. Bruce blows up Wayne Manor and kills himself and Alfred for real, with Azrael becoming the new Batman, taking into consideration that you choose to break the Sword of Sins in his Most Wanted mission. A small indication that makes this theory more believable is the "Knightfall" story arc where Bruce is unable to fight crime and Michael Lane(who's identity is Azrael) takes up the mantle of the Dark Knight until he is healthy again. Seeing as this is the KNIGHTFALL Protocol, it is theorised that Bruce had known for some time who his successor to the Batman mantle would have been. 2. Bruce Wayne, like before, blows up his manor and kills himself and Alfred, but the ending is a metaphor where as the civilians with their son that resembles Bruce and his parents are in a similar situation with Bruce's parents murder, but a strange "Bat-like" creature saves them, therefore a new myth of a supernatural creature or entity is protecting the innocent and strikes fear into the heart of criminals, and this is a metaphor to indicate that even after Batman's legacy, there will always be someone that will take his place in being a vigilante/myth, and that what happened to Bruce as a child during his traumatic experience of his parents would never happen to anyone else ever again. 3. Bruce activates the Knightfall Protocol and intentionally blows up Wayne Manor, but unknowingly survives some how and forever remain to live in secrecy while letting the whole world to believe that him and his trusted butler are gone forever, Bruce then secretly reinstates himself as a vigilante whom we see stopping the assault to the citizens with their son who are in the process of being robbed, and as everyone believes batman to be dead, he uses a controlled dose of Fear Toxin to apprehend criminals using literal fear instead of the old fashioned brawl, therefore not becoming a vigilante, but a myth of a protecter, a legend of Gotham's newest saviour. These are the three theories that I believe are the most plausible! Feel free to agree or disagree with my beliefs.
It's sad to see batman die,but azrael takes batman place as the new batman and protector of Gotham City. To support this,SPOLIER ALERT!!!! in one of the side missions batman meets up with azrael, and azrael talks with batman saying that he wants to be the new batman. With that being said batman puts azrael to the test to see if he is worthy to be the next batman. Barman said, and I quote, "If you can prove that you are worthy I'll consider it."
Hey caboose I don't have footage but there is a thug that comments in the game that says "So Wayne's batman he's not one of the trusty billionaires like Oliver Queen or Alex Luthor. " So I believe that's a green arrow Easter egg
My thoughts if anyone remembers people kept saying that "they are not scared of batman anymore because they know he is a man" so he faked his death, and now uses the fear toxin to cause fear.
Explanation batman is not really dead because in the end you see him batman has faking skills so he faking his death and his life restarts or either batman did die and his spirit went back in time to when he was a child and tried to stop the death of his mother and father
Well wasn't the Knightfall Protocol what happened at the end of the Dark Knight Returns Part II? Bruce fakes his own death after everyone finds out he is Batman and has Alfred blow up Wayne Manor. Bruce kept running his fight against crime underneath his grave with the Sons of Batman.
I dont know if anyone has seen batman the brave and the bold but wouldnt it be cool if Tim Dick Jason and Azreal were all batman at the same time kinda like in the show where a bunch of the other heroes became batman like green arrow and aquaman ctfu
In any good incarnation of batman, with a writer/ developer that knows the character well, there are only two ways a batman story has, can and ever will end. Either Bruce ends up an old fuck and everyone hates him, or an open ending. I prefer this way.
And about all that Azrael stuff, in his side mission you can choose to kill Batmamln with a sword you pick up or break it. If you choose to kill Batman, Batman locks Azrael in jail. But if you choose to break your sword Azrael goes to follow The Order of St. Dumas to punish them for what they have done to him. So there is no way it could possibly be Azrael, sorry...
I really think it's azrael in the suit Bruce may actually be dead it's called (knightfall) but if not then maybe another form of Batman do to it looks like blackest night to me
"Before this night is over, that fire will consume you." - Azrael
Ha ha because he blew himself up or i could have just made that connection up
I think that was the nightmare suit but I can't think what game it is in
CabooseXBL Here's an explanation: there is no real ending. Like scarecrow said: without fear life is meaningless. Well he was right. Batman is fear n as long as fear exists there is no ending. Bruce is still out planing for the worst. War is over but a new battle is beginning. There is fear in the world. That theif said batman is dead. Batman is fear n fear lives on. One last thing has to happen before it is declared over. Crime will never stop but neither will Batman.
Hey Caboose! Could you do a reaction on our reactions to the game? We give you our reactions to the game and you react to our reactions! It's just a thought but I hope you could consider it! Great vids keep up the good work!
CabooseXBL (SPOILERS) i wanted to see what happens when u ignittate knightfall protocol , but i was waiting to finish riddler but hes talking to long , caboose theres no way DC would let them kill batman. And yes the theroy he uses fear toxin is solid , at the end of the game (SPOILERS) when batman injects scarecrow with fear toxin he looks at batman in fright and then we see scarecrows perspective and batman is on fire with demon red eyes and a huge burning bat symbol behind him plus we have this same reaction at the start of the game where thres a mitila commander holding poison ivy but he gets exposed to fear toxin he also looks at batman in fright. Hes not dead , batman mentions in the arkham series he has multiple bat caves , possibly one under wayne manor too . Hes alive and because he wasnt in fear no more (at end of game) he still has that fear toxin inside of him and turns it to his advantage. As you know when batman took of his mask they knew then it was bruce wayne so they no longer feared him , u can witness it for yourself , thugs comment that hes just a billionaire playboy ect. Hes blows up the manor as a fresh start. That cut scene of the mugging is how batman was born , and now its the time hes fully batman , a evolution if you'll like to say. Because he now uses fear the one thing everybody lost for him as they knew it was bruce but now they see this evolved batman with hes different tattic. Its no longer bruce wayne its just batman full time , hes a gardian now. No dick , tim or azeral is batman . Hes still batman but peirces the hearts of the criminals with fear , that one thing he lost. And that one thing that made batman , batman. Just my theroy. Another kool things you guys can check out , go into the clock tower , open up the bat computer transformation thing once thats done , look to the right there should be a key pad. Hack it using the hacking device and the book shelf will flip and then a door behind the book shelf open , lights inside turn on then theres bat girls costume (SPOILERS) Oracle Aka barbra gordon is bat girl for those who dont know.
So here is what I could gather from this ending. Batman faked his death so now the public think that Bruce Wayne and obviously Batman are dead. Since now everyone knows Batman is Bruce Wayne he knew he would never be feared anymore. So he killed off his persona of Bruce Wayne so he is now Batman full time. But when you finish the Riddler side mission in the game Barman talks to Catwoman saying that Gotham needs something more than Batman. So as I already said Batman kills off Bruce Wayne because he knew he would never be feared again. So he now uses the fear toxin to "Be something more than Batman." Now he is not just a man. He is now a symbol, and a symbol is something you can't get rid of, something you can't do anything about. Batman wanted to be more than just a man and the only way he could do that is to make the world think Batman was dead. At least that's how I interpreted the ending to the game.
Thank you my thoughts exactly
I'm pretty sure Azreal is batman now.
Desmond Auditore you read my mind he killed of his alter ego to become hi real self witch was batman
I like this explanation
Bruce Wayne was the mask. Batman was his true colors. Batman had to kill off Bruce Wayne to be able to continue on as Batman. With the world watching him die, Bruce himself could become the Batman, or another person could take up the mantle. I personally think/hope this will setup Batman Beyond.
It isn't future gotham yet! Azrael is locked up apparently, so the only members capable of even putting on the mantle are: Jason, Tim or dick. Jason abandons the 'Arkham knight' persona and becomes the red hood! Tim is supposedly still robin while dick is the only capable person left of becoming batman at this point in time, where Tim who I guess is considered as dick's younger brother, can be HIS robin!!!
I personally think/hope that all the DLC's we get all up until the very last one; have their own thing going on, but also some exclusive DLC only missions, showing gotham in hell after batman's so called "death". (Doubt it though).
and the very last DLC can unlock all characters for free roam, with a exclusive DLC mission ONLY TITLED......... BATMAN ARKHAM KNIGHT: BATTLE FOR THE COWL!!!!!
HOW COOL WOULD THAT BE!!!!!
I think the same thing. He faked his death to get rid of his persona to become a full time batman. And to instill fear into his opponents again, he utilizes some form of feat toxin.
The Calendar man is there! In Arkham City he said: I was there in your beginning... And I'll be there in the end.
And there he was, with all that people watching Bruce Wayne die...
You can see him at 2:17 on the right! Look at his head, the tattoo
Wow. Years later and I had never noticed. Great catch.
It was so suspicious to see Alfred willing to do this since he is always caring about bruces life like in origins. Alfred was way to calm that's why I think Bruce faked his death.
The "Knightfall protocol" is probably having Batman fake his death.
Everyone is saying oh its azreal or Grayson or Bruce with the fear toxin. There is no right answer. Endings are extremely hard to write, tying up loose ends and making it so that consumers are satisfied with what happens next wothout wanting more content os very difficult. The ending we see here is a very common cop out, very unimaginative and lazy, but works every time. They want you to make your own ending because rather than taking a risk and saying this is how it ends, now everyone has a different take om the ending so everyones satisfied. People who say its azreal wanted to see azreal become batman. People who say Bruce need Bruce to be batman. In reality they didn't make an ending we did.
Jot Bean so waiting months fpr them to pull an ending out of a hat and go with it, or tailor a new ending onto dlc, is less depressing than facing the reality that they didn't know how to end it so they used a very common tool for the ending.
Almost like it's a cliffhanger or something, crazy right?
But it clearly is batman with fear toxin as when batman flys toward those guys at the end, its the same way he looked when he injected scarecrow with toxin.
I think it's more symbolic than anything else. I'm guessing rocksteady wanted it to be vague and up for interpretation as it kinda shows the perspective of the muggers and reinforces the idea that batman is more than just a man that he is a creature of the night and preys on criminals fears. I don't really think there is a logical explanation for that ending and it kinda plays on the legend of the batman.
Zein Alfurati yes, thats how normally criminals would think the Batman would look like. People see him as a Spirit a ghost, a giant bat, a devil. I don't believe that it's fear toxin taken over those two thugs. When his masked was removed he is no longer that Myth that people thought. He's now human. After his disappearance this Batman is now that same Myth in Origins how people fear him when he was young.
Dude thats the best explanation for this ending
he faked his death to become full time batman
Yep, man enough to admit I definitely teared up saying goodbye
Yes, this is also my interpretation!
The fear toxin spread into the city will always have the Batman effect on the criminals but much more dramatic than the real Batman!
My theory was that he was brought back to life, but different. Like he is a saint, a different kind of saint. Like a Dark Saint. But fear gas and fake death works too.
Scarecrow made batman think barbara was dead by using the fear toxin against him but as you progress through the game you save her from after her falling off a skyscraper.
I cannot express enough, just how excellent this game was. Driving the bat mobile and interacting with Nightwing, Robin and Catwoman allowed for the complete batman experience. One of the best games I've ever played!
EVERYONE AZRAEL IS NOT BATMAN!!!!
1.It is Michael Lane Azrael he never became Batman in The comics
2. By the mere fact that you can choose to lock him up or not means that he is either hunting down the order of st Dumas or rotting away in a prison cell
3. Bruce would never kill Alfred so he is still alive
It's azrael that become the next batman that's why it's called knight fall
Fahad Jama I had Azrael put in jail in the story.
Caboos locked up azreal
CabooseXBL If he chooses to break the sword you become allies and he goes to speak to the order.
chuck coal that's what i did
No, he is fighting the order of st Dumas
Did you guys see Calendar Man at 2:17?
Bruce faked his death to instantly dissuade people from thinking that he was batman, and one of three things happened afterwards.
1. Someone else took over as batman (it has happened multiple times before)
2. That's still Bruce, but he is using the fear toxin now (like caboose said)
Or 3. That looked a hell of a lot like the hellbat armor from the comic "Robin Rising" that was created by the justice league for batman to have enough power to face deities like darkseid on his own. It gives him shadow powers, super speed, super strength, claws, massive wings to fly, and is near indestructible. If that is in fact what we saw, then that is a direct connection to the justice league and opens up more possibilities for more games in the future.
This is what I think happened:
At the end of the game just before Batman blows up the Wayne Manor, he tells Alfred that it's for them or something like that. Batman and Alfred fake their death and go into the Batcave before the Manor blows up. Bruce now becomes a full-time Batman and uses the fear toxin to his advantage.
The End
They died dude Wayne Manor blew up when the doors shut they can't get to the batçave that fast
Dude they would check everywhere for the batcave and even if bruce and alfred didnt die then they would be found
I think it's Jason Todd, as he would have access to the new fear toxin due to his role as the Arkham Knight as well as him turning good at the end and saving Batman, perhaps having a revelation and realizing that he was the bad one, therefore making him want to repay Batman by taking up his mantle.
Only way I can explain it without the loose ended story of Azrael
But Jason Todd became the Red Hood after the events of Arkham Knight. So idk how he could be batman...
Rocksteady might revel who is the new batman during the six month dlc for the season pass
When I first seen this ending I was literally crying lol near the ending was so cool play as joker with shot gun ect so cool
I believe that batman is dead but the work he has done left an image in the minds of Gotham's criminals and that he has become a symbol that the criminal's can't shake. Batman may have died physically but what he represented to Gotham's criminals lives on.
Maybe nothing happened at all, maybe bruce actually died, and those criminals are still being affected by a long term effect of the fear gas and they think they're seeing batman, when there isn't actually anyone standing on that roof, because the fear that batman put into the criminals of Gotham still exists in their minds, because they know that batman is a symbol and cannot be killed whilst Bruce obviously can be killed, and they are still warey of a new batman, even if there isn't one. Just my theory, it's probably incorrect but it's a thought worth sharing.
CamzFiftyFive Nah, that's not Bruce's style. The plan was for him to kill Bruce (fake his death) so that Batman can live. He uses the fear toxin as a weapon now.
Greatest ending to the greatest series ever.
So long Rocksteady.
during the scene where Jim Gordon is driving through the city, you can see many large posters the say "the all new mayor of Gotham city, James Gordon"!
i still get shivers from how epic the ending was
Unbelievable how u completely finished the game in one day
BATTLE FOR THE COWL DLC PLEASE!
CabooseXBL there's a solomon grundy easter egg in Arkham Knight, there's a secret door you can open in the city and it has a gramophone playing the chant, "born on a monday...etc" with a wanted poster for solomon grundy.
All the criminals in Gotham were exposed to the fear toxin by the cloud burst, the lingering effects of it make them permanently vulnerable to fear/panic (not to mention a nasty case of ptsd) so Batman can use a much less potent toxin which will trigger them without harming civilians
what happens after u activate the nightfall protocol? Do u just end it and can't free roam or can u free roam after the nightfall protocol
Theyre for sure making a superman game next, i heard another mention for the 4th time. Two thugs were betting on the batmans identity and one of them lost because he said batman was a refugee from a dying planet, then the other ones like :" i feel like i heard that before"
I dont remember where it was at, but there is a scene where batman is watching the tv moniter in GCPD and Zsasz is seen on the sidewalk in the camera footage. So this confirms that Zsasz is in Arkham Knight.
it's a hint to a new beginning, and he tells gordon to take care of his loved ones! He is also told "the best hero is one that's isolated with no one close." so he dies now he can hunt people down in this new persona, without needing to fear for his loved ones lives!!!
Caboose I think,like the Commisoner said.Criminals are supersititious and coward.Batman is long gone maybe,but they still have the fear that he will show up in someday,
Knight fall is this program batman started when his back was broken in the comics. Obviously it might be different for rocksteady, but I believe that maybe Bruce passed on the mantel of being batman to azrael, because in the comics, azrael becomes the "knight fall" batman, as Bruce couldn't be batman, it's just a theory, but a very likely one too
If you read the comics you would know that batman passes the cowl to Azrael but then comes back after Azrael goes abit crazy and becomes batman again. It looks like this is Azrael at the end as if you compare to the outfit he wore it looks very similar
I feel like it's either Batman using fear toxin or maybe Batman Beyond, as explained in comics, Bruce Wayne makes a clone based on his dna to create a younger version of him and trains the clone to become the new batman or batman beyond
I'm still not convinced that Bruce is dead but if you look closely, the explosion happens just as the front door closes, would that give both Bruce and Alfred enough time to find some way out of the manor? also wouldn't detectives find a secret passage that would have been used to escape? also i dont know but wouldn't there have been some sort of forensic evidence left behind that could prove that there was a body or something left in the building.
Why are people that haven't beaten the game here? Why spoil it for yourself?
Exactly, these people don't even know why Oracle is alive.
Because I'm too impatient to wait for those idiots to fix the pc port lol. This didn't spoil all of it though. I'll still enjoy the game once it becomes playable
it sucked that Twitch cut off the blocked scenes. 6 months of DLC and we know everything that has been released.. so.. what will the 6 months be? so hype.
I think it's Michael Lane(Azrael). Bruce has decided to pass the torch to him and Azrael uses the fear toxin. What an amazing ending to one of the best video game series of all time.
what will u do after arkham knight. I mean u know its the last game and your channel
is all about arkham games.
Great another batman story with a endings that you have to interpret! I thought you was better than this rocksteady!
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Guys I need your help! You know the "All Who Follow You" trailer where it shows the shot of Nightwing, Batman and Robin looking over Gotham, I'm trying to find that cutscene!!!
We could find out who the batman figure is at the end of knighfall in the gotham city stories dlc when it comes out, it said you will control batman's allies in story missions before and after the story
I think it could be knight wing taking on the role of batman and that Bruce isn't dead. Batman in the (azreal side missions) did say (basically) he was looking for a replacement and I think knight wing would be a perfect fit the only problem with this is what happen to Tim did he become red robin and protect bludhaven? or it possibly could be red hood and then pick up the battle of the cowl story line. Caboose could you please comment and tell me what you think of this theory any holes that I missed or if you think it's right or wrong thank you and keep up the good work.
I think I saw Sefton Hill again in the background on the right when Vicki Vale is reporting outside of Bruce's house. At 1:59
Nice eye. Lol
In the end batman killed himself to protect his family. Thus the knight fall protocol as you could see the city wasn't safe yet, so Bruce came back as a bat like spirit to save his city.(definitely not fear toxin)
When Bruce said its the only way to protect them, I'm pretty sure he's talking about Dick, Jason, Tim and Barbara. That way no one will ever come after them.
Maybe Batman is dead, it could be fear toxin, remember when the whole city populated by criminals was hit with fear gas from the Cloudburst, maybe they're afraid that Batman didn't die, I think I remember Batman saying something like when he's gone the Batman will still live, maybe they're hallucinating from the fear gas from before because that batman is called Nightmare Batman, it says so on the concept art for it
Plot twist when scarecrow drops his fear bomb on every one everyone thinks batman dies but in reality batman is still hiding in the rooftops
My take on it is that the family were identical to bruce's family, obviously. I think this is to symbolise that because of batman, there is now someone to stop what happened to bruce and his parents. That's what he set out to do from the beginning. And that means his goal is finally complete.
***** My first thought seeing this ending was that the family was that of Terry McGinnis (Batman Beyond). In the comics and animated tv show, Terry's parents were almost killed, but the violent act was stopped by something. The symbol of Batman is what lives on, as all the other characters have their own missions and personas, and the Knightfall Protocol must have taken Bruce Wayne out of the cowl.
Because of the "Heir to the Cowl" side mission, and the "KinghtFall Protocol" comic, I think it was surely azrael... I don't see how Batman wouldn't die from that explosion, as soon as the door closed, everything blew up, so he wouldn't have anywhere to go, he actually killed himself
Bruce faked his death but still didn't come back to being the bat, it's azrael because I mean it is called KnightFall Protocol which is when Azrael became the batman
You missed that Gordon was the new Mayor of Gotham.
Caboose , I've never bought an Arkham game with DLC and bonus suits and all that (specifically the red hood story pack) does it come directly with the game or do you have to buy it differently ?
It's evidently Azrael. That's the whole point of his rather ridiculous side mission is to prove that he is a worthy successor. Even Joker gives it away at Ace Chemicals "We are going to give this city what it deserves. A new Batman. A better Batman. A darker, more..".
Hey, a little off topic, but when are you uploading that video that you announced on Twitter? Something polarizing in the community...? Is this it?
Hey Caboose! Check out Sefton Hill at 1:58- 2:01!!! That's pretty cool!
This is where we find out that the kid was the Rocksteady version of Terry McGinnis...
If you look up Batman knight fall protocol ending explained it explains what really had happened. When scarecrow injected the fear toxin into Batman it killed BRUCE WAYNE. Not BATMAN. For clarification, Batman and Bruce Wayne were two different people that were trying to outwit one another. In Batman Arkham city Bruce Wayne was trying to help Gotham city without getting help from Batman. Fast forward to this game, again when scarecrow had injected the toxin for the first time it only killed Bruce Wayne . Bruce Wayne’s main fear was the joker. In Bruce’s hallucination, it shows us joker destroying Gotham. This concludes that the JOKER HAD WON. That’s why the joker had appeared in the trap instead of Bruce Wayne . Then scarecrow injected the joker aka Bruce Wayne and then we were introduced to Joker’s fear. His fear was being forgotten. At the very end of the hallucination we see BATMAN not BRUCE WAYNE. At the end of the hallucination we see what we think is Bruce Wayne but really is BATMAN. When “Bruce Wayne “ looked at scarecrow he had that stone hard expression on his face who had no reaction. Even when he was fighting scarecrow he had no reaction on his face whatsoever. That was Batman. This concludes that the struggle on who will see daylight between Batman and Bruce Wayne was over. Batman had won. So this youtuber was correct BATMAN faked is own death. Bruce Wayne as Batman wanted himself to die, but he wanted the legend to live. He was talking about Batman. In conclusion to all of this, the flying bat at the end was the ACTUAL BATMAN. Again if you guys do not believe me then look up knightfall protocol ending explained.
Thus Knightfall Batman begins
I think that Jim had no choice other than to let Azrael out and be the new 'Batman'. If not that then maybe they inject everyone with criminal records with toxin that only takes place when they're doing something bad?
Maybe there will be DLC's to clear things up like a DLC of Oracle given an antidote to be un-paralysed? So it could lead onto a Batgirl and Robin game? I dunno.
Hopefully Rocksteady carry on with the DC games such as The Flash, Superman, Green Arrow or the Birds Of Prey since there was hidden Easter eggs about them.
Going out with a bang
I knew it wasn't Bruce and his parents because one of the thugs, when talking, their name was Two Face Thug
Hey Caboose, now that Arkham Knight is out what are you going to do next on your channel? What are you going to do in the future?
When is your next livestream ? And I think its defiantly azrel
I think bruce wayne's dead because he had not the time to get safe when the manor exploded ( look the video again: the manor blows 15 seconds after batman has entered in it ).
For the batman we see in the end of the cutscene it looks like the batman scarecrow sees when he his under the toxin's effects so I think Rocksteady wanted to show us through this game that batman is not just a man it's a legend and it never die.
This batman could be anybody. It could be a person unknown like someone who has lost his parents or azrael or nightwing or robin or red hood.
If he died them this would either look like battle for the cowl or hinting a new batman such as natman beyond or a nightwing batman
That is azreal because he says start protocol knightfall and in Arkhangelsk origins azreals skin is called knightfall. Plus in the comics azreal becomes batman when Bane breaks Bruce's back. Then Bruce takes the angle back because azreal was too brutal as seen there using the toxin. Eventually Bruce will come back
Hey CabooseXBL have you found the Copperhead easter egg at Ace Chemicals?
*Batman takes off mask*
-Caboose:Oh he is taken off the mask!
-Me:NO SHIT.
It wasn't the fear toxin because batman would either use a syringe to give to the thugs but he never did that or he could use the gas but that would also effect the kid and his parents and he wouldn't do that so its most likely someone new over all I think they should make another game about that batman.
This was amazing I got 100 percent to and I had the same reaction now my question tho is the season pass were is all my content all I get is the Thomas Wayne batman costume please tell me I need to know
He's died but his soul came back
Dead dumbass not died go back to 1st grade
Hey guys in the gcpd there is a news report that says Arkham City to be renovated for 300m by Wayne enterprises maybe this isn't the end after all what do u think?
Hopefully they explain it in the DLC story missions.
Here is my theory, ok so since bruce died..He is not feared anymore right?So listen i think bruce's soul wa s transfered to azarel to become knight fall and that when knightfall dies,bruce will be ressurected from the lazurus pit and become bat man again..
Okay when I was roaming around the gcpd I came across a news article reading 'Wayne enterprises deposits 300m for new Arkham City renovation' could this be a lead on I mean we had one in asylum for city the secret office and we had one in city for knight which was azreals speech so what do you Arkham fans think
caboose I didn't get that ending because I had two villains were riddler and deathstroke the only ending I got was that Alfred or Bruce destroy the mansion, did they show that part in the ending of the credits??
2:25 a hero ends but a legend is triumphant
I have dedicated my belief within three theories of the ending in Arkham Knight:
1. Bruce blows up Wayne Manor and kills himself and Alfred for real, with Azrael becoming the new Batman, taking into consideration that you choose to break the Sword of Sins in his Most Wanted mission. A small indication that makes this theory more believable is the "Knightfall" story arc where Bruce is unable to fight crime and Michael Lane(who's identity is Azrael) takes up the mantle of the Dark Knight until he is healthy again. Seeing as this is the KNIGHTFALL Protocol, it is theorised that Bruce had known for some time who his successor to the Batman mantle would have been.
2. Bruce Wayne, like before, blows up his manor and kills himself and Alfred, but the ending is a metaphor where as the civilians with their son that resembles Bruce and his parents are in a similar situation with Bruce's parents murder, but a strange "Bat-like" creature saves them, therefore a new myth of a supernatural creature or entity is protecting the innocent and strikes fear into the heart of criminals, and this is a metaphor to indicate that even after Batman's legacy, there will always be someone that will take his place in being a vigilante/myth, and that what happened to Bruce as a child during his traumatic experience of his parents would never happen to anyone else ever again.
3. Bruce activates the Knightfall Protocol and intentionally blows up Wayne Manor, but unknowingly survives some how and forever remain to live in secrecy while letting the whole world to believe that him and his trusted butler are gone forever, Bruce then secretly reinstates himself as a vigilante whom we see stopping the assault to the citizens with their son who are in the process of being robbed, and as everyone believes batman to be dead, he uses a controlled dose of Fear Toxin to apprehend criminals using literal fear instead of the old fashioned brawl, therefore not becoming a vigilante, but a myth of a protecter, a legend of Gotham's newest saviour.
These are the three theories that I believe are the most plausible! Feel free to agree or disagree with my beliefs.
CabooseXBL Can you still free roam after you activate Knightfall Protocol, or does the game lock you out of free roaming?
***** That sucks. I'd like to be able to just run around and fight random thugs after the game ends.
Yes you can I saw Caboose do it. After you watch the ending you press "continue game 100%" and you go on from the bat signal and free roam.
baugh3 He did it on his live stream?
***** Good.
It's sad to see batman die,but azrael takes batman place as the new batman and protector of Gotham City. To support this,SPOLIER ALERT!!!! in one of the side missions batman meets up with azrael, and azrael talks with batman saying that he wants to be the new batman. With that being said batman puts azrael to the test to see if he is worthy to be the next batman. Barman said, and I quote, "If you can prove that you are worthy I'll consider it."
Hey caboose I don't have footage but there is a thug that comments in the game that says "So Wayne's batman he's not one of the trusty billionaires like Oliver Queen or Alex Luthor. " So I believe that's a green arrow Easter egg
I think its batmans ghost at the end because he went through a simeler thing to the spectre
My thoughts if anyone remembers people kept saying that "they are not scared of batman anymore because they know he is a man" so he faked his death, and now uses the fear toxin to cause fear.
Explanation batman is not really dead because in the end you see him batman has faking skills so he faking his death and his life restarts or either batman did die and his spirit went back in time to when he was a child and tried to stop the death of his mother and father
Well wasn't the Knightfall Protocol what happened at the end of the Dark Knight Returns Part II? Bruce fakes his own death after everyone finds out he is Batman and has Alfred blow up Wayne Manor. Bruce kept running his fight against crime underneath his grave with the Sons of Batman.
Bruce Wayne destroyed his home to fake his death but still protect Gotham as The batman but within the fear in criminals.
To me that was AWESOME
After you complete do protocall nightfall are you still able to freeroam?
I would have loved to see a reaction to the ending of the actual story mode
I dont know if anyone has seen batman the brave and the bold but wouldnt it be cool if Tim Dick Jason and Azreal were all batman at the same time kinda like in the show where a bunch of the other heroes became batman like green arrow and aquaman ctfu
In any good incarnation of batman, with a writer/ developer that knows the character well, there are only two ways a batman story has, can and ever will end. Either Bruce ends up an old fuck and everyone hates him, or an open ending. I prefer this way.
And about all that Azrael stuff, in his side mission you can choose to kill Batmamln with a sword you pick up or break it. If you choose to kill Batman, Batman locks Azrael in jail. But if you choose to break your sword Azrael goes to follow The Order of St. Dumas to punish them for what they have done to him. So there is no way it could possibly be Azrael, sorry...
I really think it's azrael in the suit Bruce may actually be dead it's called (knightfall) but if not then maybe another form of Batman do to it looks like blackest night to me
Has anyone noticed the new symbol on bats at the end?
You know what they should've done? That Bruce fakes his and Alfred's death and Bruce finally believes in the Bat Family to protect Gotham.