Innuendo Studios said it best: "There is no rule or evidence that proves that the left and right are both equally valid, there is only the liberal sentiment that saying otherwise is poor sportsmanship, which is a standard that the right does not hold itself to."
It's crazy how "I don't want to entrust my health and well being to an *inept* government" is *never* applied to the police, the military or the fire department
Not to mention the fact they also don't pay for it. The infrastructure crumbles since the working class ponies up the tax money the middle class escapes by their cuts.
I don't trust an inept government with my health care. So I'd rather just not have any health care because I'm not rich enough to afford it, and trust the inept government with nuclear weapons and unlimited surveillance powers. Seems legit.
@@cutecommie not really. I mean, sure, we tend to go more for political leanings that actually think we exist and should have rights but that's only natural. Doesn't mean being trans in and of itself is a political opinion, or an opinion at all, frankly.
That isn't hypocritical. He finished that by saying "If you want strong female characters, write one." He wanted a conservative black dude, so he wrote one.
Also I can guarantee that some of the people who make that argument are fans of DC, or Marvel Comic Books. You know, the media institutions that have seen countless retcons and restructurings.
When the condescending centrist man said that the liberals were being “the real bigots” for wanting trans people to live in peace I nearly lost it lmao
Right? Are we bigots for calling Nazis and social conservatives bigots simply because we have a "difference of opinions?" Like, dude. Words have meaning.
grapebuilding when he said “the only people that call others fascists are fascists” I laughed so hard because the French resistance often said stuff like “death to fascism” which by his logic makes them more fascist than the Nazis lmao
the real arsonists are the firefighters. Look up "backburning" by fire fighters to see firefighters start the very fires they wish to fight! I am extremely smart.
I'm going to have to agree. The video is about liberals, not leftists.. though some people really think liberals are actually left, when they're more like, conservatives with a little identity politics flare.
The craziest I have seen, and I have seen this a lot, is the claim that if you just ignore the racism, it will go away. Otherwise, you're enabling it. So just ignore the white nationalists calling for genocide, and they'll get bored and quit...
The Right think Jeff Bezos should keep all his money. The Left think he shouldn't keep any of it. The Centrists want to take half... wait, they don't? :shocked pikachu:
It really can’t be stated enough that to this guy “ruining film franchises with SJW stuff” is equally as bad as “not accepting climate change” Like. Yeah. Totally. Those are equally bad bro. The planet dying is just as bad as Laura Dern in Star Wars. Fuck everything.
That is like saying that leftism is always Holodomor and the right wing is always free speech. If you actually look at both sides holistically you’ll find equal parts bad and good. Except libertarianism- that’s always based.
Those two things are equal to incredibly privileged people who make videos about people kind of sort of playing D&D as a thinly veiled excuse to rant about things that bother him.
Notice how this production that seems pretty light on props has nothing to signify the """"""""""liberals""""""""" except that one guy with american flag peace sign glasses (which I wouldn't even say counts) whereas they had plenty of MAGA hats and a don't tread on me tshirt to spare for the right wing side. I wonder why
Whereas if you say anything even remotely social-democratic like "rich people should pay more taxes", that's so literally insane that no matter how you dress up or act, it's to be dismissed instantly. Man, it's almost like this centrist actually skews right or sth.
“Wow, as an enlightened centrist, it was amazing that we could have this dialogue and freely exchange I D E A S! My brain is in recovery mode from all these HIGH-LEVEL IDEAS! ... IDEAS!!!”
I like how the DM's conservative character literally casts a spell to silence the PC's and then goes on to complain that they hate free speech and never listen lol
You've never been to a Starbucks in Portland, have you? Large chunks of our population are being lied to by therapists, surgeons, and pharmacies leading to sterilization, extreme cognitive dissonance, permanent deformation, and no positive affect on suicidal ideation while creating more patients. That is a problem.
"I'm not transphobic, I just don't think I should be socially obligated to respect trans people and if they're upset by that I'll start repeating a certain statistic."
When I see media like this, I stop to think, "Who is this even for?" And realize the answer is - people who want to delude themselves into thinking their lack of involvement in politics is apolitical."
Yeah, it gets even more ludicrous when they accuse me of "bringing politics into things" for such radical positions as, "I should be allowed to shit in a public bathroom"
@Βασιλης Οικονομιδης No, because that's still an inherently politically motivated decision. If you (HYPOTHETICAL you) decide not to do anything about an issue like climate change and global warming, you're making the conciencious choice to not do something about the issue of the Earth literally dying. Your silence admits that you don't see it as an issue worth your time. The decision not to be involved is an inherently political decision because you've ultimately stated, "This is not an issue for me". And that's where the lack of involvement being the lack of an opinion will always trip up. The implications of your actions speak volumes about your priorities, and so too does any non-action. What you will and will not consider a priority worth engaging with and dealing with when in regards to politics IS a political opinion, no matter how little you actively engage in voting or signing petitions for bills.
@Βασιλης Οικονομιδης Apply it to yourself if you feel so inclined. Just remember that it's still a political choice. Very little of the choices that you make in government policies are apolitical, and like this video stated, what is neutral is still political because the idea of political neutrals are inherently contentious. Things with elements of politics are political, and the politics don't even need to be overt. Media can have incredible influence on people, even if it's fictional media, and often is rooted in politics and themes about them. How we view the world and what we think society should be, how we value people will root in politics. The art we enjoy or consider worthy of meaning is political as well. Even science gets political. Politics are in most things. It sounds like a propagandist phrase, but, you can't really escape politics. And while the word TECHNICALLY can be used and while things can in THEORY and without context be considered apolitical, the context, reality, and practice is what matters. "Some things don't need to be political", or, "it's not THAT political, you're making mountains out of molehills", are common phrases in this case, but they feel more like Ben Shapiro's, "let's say, let's say" arguments than anything else. Because the thought experiment while, in theory, sounding neutral and agreeable, is a pure hypothetical. It negates the real-world factors that would make this simple "political, apolitical" binary all the more incorrect and potentially even dangerous.
"in a way yeah, you all have the same dice" Using D&D and completely disregard modifiers, the one thing that would show you that not everything is equal.
I mean as Thought Slime points out in the video they clearly have as shoddy and superficial knowledge of the game as they do the political positions they're trying to argue lol
@@darkeimp555 Based on their other content I don't think they lack DnD knowledge, they just purposefully ignore certain aspects of the game to support a narrative, which is arguably worse. However it is a neat parallesims to how they purposefully ignore certain aspects of reality to support their political stance.
“I don’t want to be required by law to use certain terminology for people, I want to be allowed to call people whatever I want.” 0.5 seconds leter “Calling me a bigot it bigoted!!”
Tristan will have his revenge... Yeah... the trouble with Centrism it forgets that some people are literally fighting for their rights or lives. It's not a little bicker with 'the other side'
"Centrism" is about setting the bounds of "acceptable" political opinion. The proud "centrists" never really frame themselves as the middle ground between the center-left and the center-right, or between left-wing and right-wing -- instead, they're the "middle ground" between the right wing and a just-a-hair-left-of-the-right version of liberalism. The whole point of "centrism" is shifting the acceptable range of opinion to the right by insisting on approaching extreme right doctrines seriously and respectfully while ridiculing anything solidly leftist as inherently ridiculous.
I'm honestly struggling to get through this video because the comedy bit is sooooo bad. Like this guy deadass just filmed himself winning arguments against his friends playing dress up.
No it’s because presenting yourself in a fictional work solely as the good rational guy spreading truth, rather a a flawed individual with internal goal and conflicts and quirk and flaws, is cringe. Even when you’re spreading truth about defending trans people of something. Hyping yourself this way is cringe either way.
I'm actually legitimately happy to be "politically illiterate". Everyone I've ever known that even somewhat kept up with politics and current affairs was absolutely miserable at the time they were doing so. There was a time when I tried to keep up with the news and what's going on in the world. I decided it was only negatively affecting me and my life, and knowing all of this information was pretty useless for my day to day, not to mention how basically impossible it is to be constantly up to date with unbiased, actual meaningful news. I plan on being "politically illiterate" forever, even if I'm actually not, because it makes for a better life. I've got opinions and beliefs like anyone else, but even the handful of people closest to me will hardly ever hear about it.
@@joaquinvideo2959 Well let’s see, are the majority of people out there completely brainwashed, or are they intelligent, well informed individuals who aren’t manipulated at all? I’m supposed to what, believe what the government and the media tells me is going on and base my actions from there? To actually keep up with what’s going on would require constant research of each topic and how they connect much further beyond keeping up with the news. You’d have to know the biases of every group reporting on it, why they’re reporting on it, to who’s actual benefit etc. it’s not as simple as “oh so and so is running and this bill was approved”, these people have handlers. What we’re shown is what we’re allowed to be shown. It’s not about ignoring problems, it’s about choosing which problems to spend my energy and time on.
I don't have a quote to hand, but it's often pointed out that conservatives always ask us to meet them in the middle, so we step forward. And then they step back two steps, and ask us again to meet them in the middle.
I believe it's a title/concept of one of Howard Zinn's books. I remember it forever because of System Of A Down's song Deer Dance, has it tucked into the 2nd verse. @darthbob88 that's what is known as 'moving the goalposts', a tried and true tactic of conservative power dynamics..
@@darthbob88 - I've seen it in a sort of story format: > "Meet me in the middle" says the unjust man. You take a step forward, he takes a step back. "Meet me in the middle", says the unjust man.
“Meet me in the middle,” the unjust man says. You move a step towards him. He moves a step away from you. “Meet me in the middle,” the unjust man says.
Ugh see comedians that are this dishonest in the era of rush Limbaugh and fox news being tmz like stare tv making us all dum dums post Jon Stewart in the news is why I tend to mock comedians as then they become socialist racism Marx and Engels like snowflakes at the top when they get attacked by those below them in ideology! Give me a break you comedians and be more honest with yourselves before accusing us of being self centered in our poverty and misery by choice as you comedians being self aggrandizing like that is pure bs and you know it too as we see you people as fox news lite now in Hollywood when we expose your narassistic ways.
Me, a leftist D&D player: "It should be interesting to see how this comedian translates political opinions held in our modern world to a D&D game, which is not only set in a vastly different setting but also focuses on people unlike anyone in our world." Sketch: "It's election season..." Me: "Never mind." Sketch: "Liberals redistributing wealth? Let's represent that by having a player's feat literally let them steal other peoples' numbers, which they're entitled to because of different opportunities, even though it's completely random! That represents how both liberal politics and D&D work." Me: "WHYYY?!?"
Also: 1. I don't want to admit how long it took me to realize this "D&D game" took place in the contemporary USA. Which would make it d20 Modern a decade or so ago, but I don't think there's a 5e version of that, so who knows what the hell is going on. 2. The "sectarianism bad, can't we all just get along" sentiment is nice, and I used to agree. Then I realized that no, we _can't_ all just get along, because one sect is arguing that another shouldn't be allowed to exist. You cannot have complete freedom for all if some people will use their freedom to deny others' freedom. 3. Mr. DM. You're angry that the players "restructured" your adventure around their "political agenda". Your adventure about _an election,_ one couched in modern political terminology. And apparently set in the fucking United States?!? What did you _expect_ the players would do? 4. For that matter, why are you getting mad about players trying to assert their agency in the story? Isn't that what TRPGs are _supposed_ to be about? Especially ones with the open-ended structure that political adventures lend themselves to? Were you going to piss and moan if the players didn't want to support the candidate you thought would make the best ruler for your campaign setting? 5. If you're going to have players break out into political arguments in the middle of your "D&D" sketch, just make it a political-argument sketch.
@@timothymclean _The "sectarianism bad, can't we all just get along" sentiment is nice, and I used to agree_ i still kind of agree that it's bad ... the problem being that bad actors just call everything "sectarianism" or "tribalism", anything that requires you to "take a side". If you argue against nationalism (nationalism being the prototypical sectarianism) then nationalist sectarians will call you a sectarian. same with being anti-racist. same with being pro-lgbt. there is one side this is in favor of cooperation (the left), and one side that is anti-cooperation. and the side that is anti-cooperation WILL complain that the people that cooperate are against cooperating with them.
It'd be hilarious in Forgotten realms. "So Trans rights." "What's that?" "When one person feels they are not their correct sex and should be legally protected in their emotional, spiritual and physical feeling." "What? That's a right? Isn't that just normal? You know like, almost every temple genderchanges as a free service in the Heartlands? Cormyr nobility are MANDATED BY LAW to experience life as the opposite sex to 'figure out' their gender." "Gay marriage!!" "what that?" "Two same sexed people getting married?" "Dude marriage is only for politics and money and it doesn't care about gender... I fuck three dudes and nine girls and also a cow. I'm a little elfish that way." "The dudes?" "NO, WHAT? THE COW!"
The funniest thing about the roll redistribution skill is that the DM acts outraged about it. Like how dare you use a power your character has that won't affect anything but the turn order, you bastard.
I really appreciated that. My leftist radicalization came from learning about nomadic tribes and the way they live and behave, which is non heirarchiclal, peaceful, and easygoing. Goes to show that our natural condition is to be violent and greedy. By that definition I WANT to be tribalistic
I study cultural anthropology, and the word tribe in general sucks, because it's used to describe all types of non western societies, while in fact, cultures don't split into we vs. the primitives
@@WanderingIdiot81 I’m pretty sure tribal peoples also murdered the shit out of each other all the time. Like at a much higher rate than people kill each other now. Native Americans weren’t all holding hands singing kumbaya until white people showed up lol.
@@Gum_Cuzzler That is true. Ever since we were hunter- gatherers we have engaged in war and violence and it is a common trend throughout all human societies. Tribal groups, including those of the americas, have been violent just like any other human civilisations. Violence and war are ‘hardwired traits’ (according to War in Human Civilisation by Azar Gat), a behavioural trait shared by evolution. The idea that tribal groups are peaceful utopias is wrong.
@@a105-t5m It's not just applicable to the Overton window, it's also just generally a manipulation tactic to get concessions out of people even while those people may still intuit those concessions to be unfair. If you can't articulate to yourself why something that feels unfair is unfair, you tend to be in a weakened position to negotiate. And in the case of self-proclaimed "centrists", the constant need to view themselves as "reasonable" makes them particularly prone to giving concessions so as to be "fair" and means they very quickly cease to *be* centrist. It's how "why won't you debate me bro?" becomes seen as a legitimate political query when discussing actual harm to actual people that is actually happening. The trend is particularly problematic if the default assumption of the political system you're in is that you have to pick between one of two evils anyway. You can get away with some pretty shitty stuff without even moving the Overton window that way. This is why politics so often wildly diverges from what the public actually believes should be happening. Also I *am* a wizard genius. Got the pointy hat and Elemental Savant prestige class and everything.
And then we all died inside when we realized that the conservative equal to women in movies is not accepting global warming. Like fuck dude. Priorities.
Lmaooooo "It's bigoted to call someone a bigot!!" My mans just unironically regurgitated that whole paradox "a truly tolerant society would tolerate intolerance." Maybe I'm just really good at staying away from certain corners of the internet, but I had only ever seen that shit in like leftist meme circles. I cant believe he just . . . said it. And then like mic dropped.
It's also really paradoxical in and of itself. By that logic, wouldn't he be bigoted for calling liberals bigoted for calling conservatives bigoted? According to his own reasoning, there'd be no way to point out actual bigotry without turning into a bigot yourself, thus accidentaly proving the paradox of tolerance.
@@quadpad_music The whole "it's bigoted to call a bigot bigot" thing reminds me of Hyperbole and a Half's "pleestop" story, in which kids have an agreed-upon phrase "Please stop!" to settle disputes. Someone realizes they can say "Pleestop saying pleestop!" and the order of the universe is upset. The infinite regression only ends when the disagreeing parties can't shout anymore.
It's really big with prageru and the whole "diversity of opinion" is the real diversity" crowd insisting colleges to teach unfounded climate change denial beside real science
To be fair they were doing this as satire/parody but some parts make it seem like they think these are good comebacks or at least think that people in those arguments would feel they were lol
Fr, that's so true, if they don't really care that the world is literally fucking dying because of their policies, of course they won't bat an eye to people dying from lack of healthcare, "they are poor after all, it's on their fault!"
This reminds me of that meme: Right wing: "Let's do a genocide!" Left wing: "No! No genocide!" Centrist: "Okay guys, let's have /some/ genocide." Right wing: "I guess I can live with that for now." Left wing: "No!" Centrist: "Liberals are so unreasonable."
Yes! Thanks for posting this, to show how illogical centrism is. Either you're fighting for a data based, ethical system or you're not--and if you're not you're either ignorant or evil.
@@calmingwaves3134 I don't think you can have a data-based, ethical system. Any system that is data-based would be defined by the data which is inherently free from morals. Any morality that you inject into such a system will cause it to move away from being truly data-based.
@@antaresmaelstrom5365 While data is free from morals, data is true. The importance of data is in that it can used to define what an ethical system actually is, given we have some factors we consider it ethical to pursue. So like, a non-data based ethical system could be anything that just kinda sounds like it would be good for a lot of people. But a data-based one would actually accomplish the stated ends. I don't think it makes sense to argue that data and ethics are separate ideas.
@@kitsunin4690 Except the greatest weakness of data is input. If I thought up a game that's literally just me slapping you, after the 5th round the data would show that it's only you who's being slapped, and an army on Facebook appears to explain that red faced people slap way more red faced people that non-red faced ones in Chicago, therefore you must be a hypocrite. Either one acknowledges that slaps hurt and wouldn't want to get one, or the practice gets discontinued.
Right, because ALL right wing people want literal genocide. And centrists are contractually obligated to take the middle ground in literally every argument. What an informed opinion on other people's political views! Kinda makes me wonder if you've ever actually talked to a centrist in your life.
“Calling someone a bigot because they have a different 0PiNoN than you, makes you a bigot” “Calling someone a fascist because they have a different oPInOn than you, makes you a fascist” This argument is the equivalent of a 5 year old saying: No, you.
Why are most arguments against centrism just "appealing to extreme" fallacies. A lot of these people whose view of the world & ability to critically analyze a situation is so tainted by their emotions
Wondering why they even went with fascist, pretty sure the big go to insult with conservatives is communist. So he should have said "calling someone a communist yada yada" how he went about it, he's using stereotypival liberal buzzwords for both
This sums centrism better than anything. "Meet me in the middle" said the dishonest man. You take a step forward, he takes a step back. "Meet me in the middle" said the dishonest man.
They always do because if one side isn't gonna compromise, that side is gonna become the status quo. The democrats are just gonna keep going further right. We need an actual left in America
@@misterdemocracy3335 normally you roll a d20 (basically just a 20 sided dice) and add your characters dex modifier (typically somewhere between -2 and +5 when starting out, if it's a negative you subtract instead of adding). D20's are incredibly common among d&d players, they are needed for like half the rolls. The dex modifier is determined based on your characters dexterity stat (determined based on character creation, plus any modifiers from equipment or magical bonuses or some other kind of bonuses. The modifier part comes from taking a supposed average of 10 where 11-12 is +1, 13-14 is +2, 15-16 is +3, etc. 8-9 is -1, 6-7 is -2 etc.). I realize this sounds incredibly complicated and obtuse but it's actually pretty easy to get used to. Honestly, if you're interested at all but unfamiliar with the rules, my recommendation is just jump into it with a group with at least one friend. Just have the friend teach you as you go. Be willing to roleplay and just try to learn the rules as you go, the roleplaying is way more important than the rules.
@@misterdemocracy3335 In D&D, initiative determines what order people take their turns in a fight. To roll initiative, you roll a 20-sided die, but the one they rolled only has six sides. This might seem like a tiny mistake but rolling 20-sided dice is like the core mechanic around which most of D&D is based so getting this wrong is kinda weird.
When slavery was legal, centrists would say "I wouldn't own a slave, but I see no problem with other people owning slaves." When Jim Crow laws were in effect "I have no problem with black people, but for some people it is too much to have them trying to live with us, and it would be wrong to ignore their views" As LGBT people fought for their rights "I dont care if you're gay. But could you not be gay in the open? The poor conservatives dont like it when you show you exist and it is disrespectful to them for you to exist. But I have no problem." Centrists now on transgenders "I dont care that you think you're a woman. I'm going to call you by sir. But hey, at least I dont think you should be killed. Aren't I enlightened?" Centrists. Proudly siding with the wrong side of history, always.
Also don't forget, centrists want to fight for the free speech of Nazis, because yknow, it's not like they're dangerous or anything, freedom of speech am I right? "I know it's upsetting to see people advocate for the eradication of our Jewish population, but just hear them out they have some other reasonable policies"
@@seanegan8150 they're always saying how freedom of speech is the most important thing ever and should have no restrictions whatsoever and are the first to proudly say to nazis "I dont agree, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it". But somehow they never say that to leftists. For nazis it is "I dont agree with you", for, say, feminists and gender studies they say "you're just crazy. I consider myself black then so I can't be racist." While to socialists they say "your ideology killed 100 billion people. Everyone like you should be sent to prison."
Folks: "It's terrible that our discourse has become so poisonous" Me: Who poisoned it? It didn't happen on it's own. The people who poisoned it have names.
@David Orozco Hobbs had a pretty compelling case... Meaning the USA aren't sufficiently better than the UK under Cromwell and voided their claims over governing people more likely to die in their system than without any protection.
The government IS ineffective BECAUSE the corporate world exists and controls it meaning it is no longer in service of the people, and instead in service of private corporations
@@hellothere3114 Oligarchy isn't meant to be serving the people. Government is a iterative process towards less suffering or invalid (I love to use Hobbes on neoliberalism) and should be able to overcome corporate interest in the cooperate interest (Roaming free European travel increased competition AND revenue of the mobile phone market).
Had that happen with a conservative friend. He was always poking fun at me for being leftist and I never answered because I didn't want to make a scene, but one day it was just to much and I listed what his party actually does. He was like "Bro, I thought you could have a reasonable, calm discussion" and I'm like *"How am I supposed to be calm when were literally talking about life and death and you're just fine with letting people drown"*
In addition to the fact that you're (we're all) completely justified in opposing conservatism passionately, I just want to note that making fun of someone's politics isn't normally associated with wanting a "reasonable, calm discussion". Sounds like your friend just retreated to his safe little tower of tone policing.
conservatives: "but theyre bad people tho, they deserve bad things (such as child cages and drowning). I THOUGHT WE COULD HAVE A REASONABLE DISCUSSION WAAAAH"
"Boy, these two groups really piss me off. One of them keeps putting ladies in movies, and the other one wants to end all life on Earth. Wooo, just a real couple of jerks." This made me laugh loud enough to wake my slumbering dog. This is my new favorite channel.
More like “woah both these groups really piss me off. One of them wants to limit freedom of speech and want an economic system I don’t agree with and the other doesn’t care for the environment and doesn’t have basic respect” both sides can have things u disagree with WITHOUT being the extreme. Putting women in movies is not extreme, its basic shit thats been done for the past half century now, not believing in climate change is decently extreme. 70% of moderate republicans are for helping against climate change and that isn’t even centrists so i fail to see ur point.
@@curse4384 “doesn’t have basic respect” is a pretty disingenuous way to frame a group of people who are against tons of kinds of people having basic human rights, and who support policies that criminalize poverty and homelessness and make life difficult and dangerous for queer folks and minorities. People who complain about their freedom to incorrectly and damagingly refer to other people how they see fit, while actively trying to take away those same people’s right to exist and not taking violence against them seriously. People who are patently against democracy and science. People who want to ban books to hide a racist history so that inequalities will be harder to identify and challenge today. This is not anywhere close to equivalent to a group of people trying to get equal and fair treatment of all peoples.
@@dumbumbumbum8649 and if i asked a republican what they believed on these topics most would say that they have to focus on themselves as those people should as well, i do not see people who are being actively hateful, at most just not having the respect to acknowledge someone as they are, this is not try to take ones “human rights away” as you say, i do not understand the idea of someone’s human rights being taken in America, is it unbalanced? Yes, but the more people who just label the republicans as people who hate everyone besides them needs to take a step back and evaluate their actual policies, just as i would say leftists aren’t all communists who hate white people, I wouldn’t say all rights hate all non-white men and dont believe people should have rights
@@curse4384 I don’t care what they believe. The policies they want hurt other people. And you say they “just want to focus on themselves.” Yes. They support the status quo that hurts other people and they don’t care because they’re better off. Even in your defense of them, you’ve framed them as inherently selfish and protective of an abusive system.
@@curse4384 “I don’t understand the idea of someone’s human rights being taken away in America.” Jeez, ignorance. So policies that lead to the deaths of the homeless, poc, the disabled, and lgbt people have nothing to do with human rights? The fact that trans people are literally still arguing their own existence? The fact that are k ille d at such high rates? The fact that gay people couldn’t marry until a few years ago and that has been argued since. The restrictions on lgbt people from various jobs and military service that is only now being addressed? What do you even think a human right is that you can’t imagine it being infringed on by America?
When mr centrist genuinely used """tribalism""" I was ready to actually rip him to shreds He can listen to my native ass teach him a few things about """""""""tribalism"""""""""
@@maxgrozema1093 Tribalism is when people are organised in tribes (or viewed as such by the colonising eye, I don't how useful the concept of tribe is in anthropology for instance, but it's certainly an exogenous view rather than a concept coming from the people in question, but I digress), which does not mean "constantly warring factions", as the dude in the video uses it. The way it's used here equates people living in tribal systems to savages, and also gives credence to the notion of savage people, which is a myth born, as far as modern times are concerned, from white dudes observing customs they did not comprehend. The intro of the wiki on "Tribe" is enlightening: "The term tribe is used in many different contexts to refer to a category of human social group. The predominant usage of the term is in the discipline of anthropology. The definition is contested, in part due to conflicting theoretical understandings of social and kinship structures, and also reflecting the problematic application of this concept to extremely diverse human societies. The concept is often contrasted by anthropologists with other social and kinship groups, being hierarchically larger than a lineage or clan, but smaller than a chiefdom, nation or state. These terms are equally disputed. In some cases tribes have legal recognition and some degree of political autonomy from national or federal government, but this legalistic usage of the term may conflict with anthropological definitions."
"Restructuring characters from existing storylines to fit your agenda is lazy" And complaining there is too much gays in your soup, and it's not how mommy used to make them is whiny.
So I'm a trans man. I don't always pass and I wouldn't consider myself hyper masculine at all. If someone says "I support trans people, i just don't think I should be forced to use *certain terminology*" it's LITERALLY just them saying "I don't want to get shit for saying I don't respect trans people, so I'll say that I support them. But i won't do anything to actually help them feel like themselves, because my perception of their gender is far more important than their own identity, and i don't want to be forced to use their pronouns and actually show respect for them." It's bullshit, you CAN'T support trans people but refuse to learn a few fuckin words to describe a few concept, AND/OR just use the pronouns someone tells you they use. If you can't do those 2 basic fundamental things, you are not in any way supporting the trans community. That is bigoted because you insinuate that YOUR OWN perception of someone is more important to you than their ACTUAL identity.
But their identity is not real. No identity is. Identity exists within the individual mind and nowhere else. Other individuals can choose to affirm my identity or deny it. Individuals have a freedom of association- meaning that they can hold not only any beliefs but also any position. Your constant denial of OTHER peoples identity and freedom of association while crying for the defense of your own is why so many people are against trans activism. If you allowed centrists the freedom to disagree with you they might actually cozy up to your ideology instead of moving further right.
@@spehhhsssmarineer8961 let's put it another way. say i'm named Dan. but i don't like the name dan, because i don't think it suits me. so, next time i see you, i'm like "hey, kinda wanna be called arthur, y'know?" .. and if you were like "i'm not gonna call you arthur cus that's just in your head", you'll be a weirdo. same thing for trans people. if someone you know came up to you and was like "hey, i think i'm a girl. could you refer to me with she/her please?" and you also refuse to do that, you're also a weirdo. why's changing your identity perfectly fine for stuff like names but when it changes to gender suddenly you can't infringe on other people's identity. it's nobody's identity to call me dan, just like it's nobody's identity to misgender that other fellow.
@@post-leftluddite Tool is a great band, but there's definitely a contingent of fans who think they're hot shit because they listen to songs based on the fettuccine sequence.
Brynden Rivers I agree. Lots of tool fans are tools. But I still love Tool. But I don’t think OP is dissing tool. If you think liking tool makes you the smartest person in the room, you are one of the shitty fans.
@Irish Jester "...Rather, it means looking at each issue individually for the best policy approach, rather than being succumbed to ideologies" I take this approach, too. It's how I ended up a leftie. And the definition of a centrist is someone who opposes most major political change. Using that definition, any person who claims to be a centrist in the modern United States is very right-wing.
And even clearer, the idea of reporting said harassment is seen as blasphemy, censorship and a First Amendment violation by the Alt-Right, which makes the argument of "legal compliance to "forced terminology", (which is just a fancy way of saying, "I value 'biology' over feelings, stop telling me what to do) an extremely FAR RIGHT framing of the issue, and very much so not a political neutral.
@@briekepsiom92 if they valued biology they'd stop misrepresenting it by screaming that sociology terms have biological meanings when they definitely do not.
@@SavageGreywolf True. They value a prelapserian version of biology that never existed to continue harassing LGBT people, passing it off as legitimate.
I just finished watching a video called “When Wokes and Racists Actually Agree On Everything.” Because apparently anti-racists are the REAL racists, guys! Centrist comedy is just bad.
@@chavaspadaI appreciate the use of tankie as a derogatory term for someone who is over-eager to support regimes that call themself communist, even when those regimes are totalitarian in nature and do not serve the interests of the people, however the word "tankie" is generally used by anarchists to describe people who like the USSR and Mao's china. "Tankies" as a group are not characterised as liking Putin's Russia. I don't think saying so is a "no true scotsman fallacy" because I am not trying to prove a point by saying this, nor do I think anyone (appreciate the conversational hyperbole) identifies by the term "tankie" - it is an insult, so people tend not to identify with it or defend it as a reasonable position. In short, there is no real political force that supports modern russia.
"Stop restructuring existing characters and storylines to fit your agenda. It's lazy." That's...that's literally why we still have classic comic characters like Superman. The characters and storylines are constantly being updated to evolve with the times. The agenda: profit, pretty much.
@@23Magistere Creative freedom to write as many straight white males... Maybe one of them has brown hair, maybe one of them has blonde hair. The diversity is endless.
The bit where he smugly explains why he can be shit to trans people hit me especially hard since today in hell Britain the House of Commons tweeted asking in the same smug 'neutral' tone how conversion therapy affects the LGBTQ+ community and if we think it should be made illegal? Like its some sort of rational discussion?
The fact that anyone considers it the rational centre to want to actively misgender trans people is so disheartening, to me feels like cryptofascism and it disappoints me that Slime thought it was still okay to recommend viewers check out their other videos after that, it kinda hurts. I wish Slime had argued that it's not so bad if people were to be made to respect people's pronouns, there's other protected speech, like you can't go using slurs against people in a workplace.
IMO there's been a pattern of far-right ppl claiming that hormones and proper treatment increases our odds of suicide and that "the only proven way to help" is conversion therapy. Obviously, they always say that garbage, but IMO there's been a coherent shift in strategy from just flat-out saying we're crazy and they hate us to implying that we're sick, they know best for us and they're doing it out of love. but this is just my experience from arguing with randos in poorly moderated spaces so maybe it's just something I'm noticing more.
Does this stuff even deserve to be called "comedy" though? I'm not even talking about it's quality, or lack thereof, I just mean that the things said are barely even jokes, and the endings shown here were such blatant mask-off political diatribes that using the term comedy seems more like a cowardly smoke screen ("please don't rip into us, we're just clowns/it's just a joke roflmao') than something sincere. They can't even be bothered to commit to the D&D bit properly.
yeah no sorry i’m not going to have “calm civilised discussions” about my right to live as a trans person with someone who thinks i should continue to live as a woman when i’m not, be denied access to healthcare bc i’m trans, and (albeit a rare opinion) be murdered/violated bc i am trans.... i’m not going to argue with people who don’t think i (should) exist at all.
But, just think about their rights! Your existence might make them slightly uncomfortable, and you're completely oppressing their freedom of speech when you demand them to say the word "he". Do you really believe that your health, safety and autonomy are anywhere near as important as preventing mild inconveniences to others?
@@spehhhsssmarineer8961Denying respect to trans people and denying them access to gender-affirming care is leading to increased violence against them, both from others and from self-harm. You don't get to have some little disagreement about whether they deserve fair treatment just because it would be slightly bothersome to you to have to challenge your preconceived notions. Grow the fuck up.
It's often looked to me like being a centrist is, in reality, just being a conservative who doesn't want to own the baggage that comes with that label.
Andrew Paddock I think being a centrist/independent is someone who doesn’t want the baggage of any label, left or right. Like, someone willing to have a conversation instead of a shouting match.
@@arozeisarozie Leftists have been having conversations for fuck knows how long now, centrists literally think they're the only people to have ever discussed or debated politics. I would argue maintaining centrist beliefs in this day and age suggests a resistance to meaningful discussion, not an openness to it.
Rosie A. LOL!! How I start conversations: 😏 I’m smarter than you people and you other people because I don’t have any passionate views heh heh heh. I’m going to talk down to you about how you actually don’t need to do anything, unlike you plebs. I talk to racists and a black person. 😎
@@arozeisarozie Centrists aren't interested in discussion, they think they've already got it basically all worked out due to being Rational and Reasonable.
"i believe that everybody should be trated equally. i just don't think i should be compelled by law to use certain terminology" so... he thinks he should be allowed to treat transgender people in a way that would denigrate and hurt them? that's... not what equality is
CW: sarcastic censored transphobic slur no, no, no, you dont get it, It doesnt hurt CIS people when I call them tr*nnies so CLEARLY that means I can call ANYBODY tr*nnies!
Person 1: "People should have basic medical care, a roof over their head, and a planet to live on." Person 2: "Movies are becoming too political and woke!" Idiot: "I'm glad we both heard each other out. Now let's discuss why person 1 is a silly, hysterical moron and why person 2 has some valid points."
Exactly! Centrism never works because the harm caused by listening to the right is always significantly greater than the good caused by listening to the left. Not to say that our policies don't do a lot of good, but their policies do A LOT of harm.
It's funny that this guy claims he's a "Centrist" but obviously, like most Centrists, are conservatives who don't want the stigma associated with the ideology
they also have a “gender” edition from three years ago that follows almost exactly the same format except the solution is that the DM destroys his players with the facts and logic of “why are language and pronouns so important i just respect you as people” 🙄
"Why are language and pronouns important to you" and "I want to respect you as people" are two completely different talking points afjsdgfhras did he seriously write that in a script and think that sounded good?? Using the right language for us * is * respecting us!
@@cromchychipdip5982 yeah, not like every cis person is cool with all pronouns. usually they like the pronoun that matches their gender. gender is obviously important to a lot of cis people, i think when like a cis guy is accidentally called ma'am and then the other (cis) person corrects themselves and is really apologetic (that happened to me except i'm not actually cis just pre-transition) normally i don't think it ever crosses anyone's mind to think what's in anyone's pants, it never crosses anyone's mind about chromosomes or any of that, it's usually _gender and not sex_ that they are worried about here.
@@austinfernando8406 I hadn't ever thought of that (accidentally calling someone cis by the wrong pronoun) in relation to the whole "why does it matter?"/the dumbass attempts to fight against simply being asked to, y'know, respect people/their identity. Especially in recent months, I usually encounter the bigots when they're using it to try and "diss" someone for something unrelated - usually the RW/WS/Dim Pool types trying to troll so they check a Twitter bio just to see if pronouns are listed so they can then go "of course you, an effeminate soyboy breadtube socialist liberal, would list your pronouns!" Anyway, great observation and definitely spot on. Also when someone is unsure of another's gender, they will even go out of their way to not offend/embarrass them by asking someone else or avoiding pronouns as much as possible.
DM guy's whole stance is basically "if you're going to discuss politics, don't bother having anything you want to accomplish, because it annoys me and there's nothing wrong with the status quo." Gimme a conservative over a centrist any day. At least conservatives actually have something they want, and we can duke it out. A centrist not only doesn't want anything, but wants everyone else to stop wanting anything. Centrists are basically the political equivalent of the zero-tolerance policy. Both the bully and the victim get suspended because we can't be bothered to figure out who the aggressor is and who was just minding their own business.
@@playtimeplay4518 I mean, he's defining the group by that bad opinion. If you've got a problem with his statement, either provide a definition of centrist that doesn't include Fabrizzo's criticisms or explain why the bad opinion isn't bad.
To centrists, any political position that's even somewhat different to their own is biased and irrational. By contrast, they believe they've found the god of all political opinions, and thus, they're the only non-biased people. Because of that, centrists like this tend to believe that any opinion apart from their own is inherently wrong, not for any logical reason, but by nature of being different to their own. They don't come to their opinions because they think they're correct, the opinions become correct by virtue of being theirs
right? if i were in this game and the DM was like "here's an NPC who's liberal/conservative" my response wouldn't be a bunch of wild assumptions about them, it'd be "why are you telling me this. why is this relevant. why are there modern US politics in my fantasy game."
Someone actually creates a D&D campaign setting called Murka on Kickstarter which is supposedly a campy satire of America. The book is called Monsters of Murka I think.
I can't help but point out that "Roll Redistribution" makes perfect sense in D&D, and there's even some actual feats that does something essentially identical in Pathfinder. (Including "Socialist" Teamwork Feats that straight up allow initiative roll swapping.) As D&D is a cooperative game, if, say, the wizard gets a low roll on initiative, but the fighter gets a really high one, the wizard might say, "I have a feat that lets us swap initiative. I'll cast Haste on the party on my first round, so if you let me go first, you can start your first round of combat already moving at double speed and not have to use a double move to reach the monster so you can attack on your first round." If the other player agrees, that's not "crazy welfare gibberish", that's "playing D&D intelligently." It *KIIIIINDA* undermines the notion that these are some "crazy liberals" saying "crazy liberal stuff" if the "rational centrist" DM is just whining about perfectly valid gameplay, especially when the players are cooperating and would be functioning cohesively as a team to do so.
TBH, as bizarrely stupid as it was, both feats...actually resembled real feats. Quicklings as a racial feat always go first, and roll redistribution wouldn't be that weird, though it'd be more likely to give bonuses/swap initiative, or give rerolled initiatives. Ala oracle or other luck manipulation classes.
@@WereScrib i just thought it was hilarious that in the "liberal edition" the DM was like "WHAT you can't redistribute the rolls tHaT'S UnFAiR" but in the "conservative edition" the DM's like "oh you wanna be able to arbitrarily decide whatever roll you want? seems fine to me." at least have equal reactions to both jesus.
Not only that, but in basically every RPG there is a way to delay your action or act on a lower initiative without using any feat. Because in RPGs, like in real life, cooperation is really effective.
I actually like the idea of this feat. It's once a day so it can't really be abused without a slew of other feats. If the DC is 15 and I roll a 12 and my buddy rolls an 18, his (econ lesson) bonus 3 is deadweight loss it does no one any good at all. So I take it for this roll as we both succeed! That seems pretty cool actually. Maybe even weak for a 1/long rest ability.
@@Ozmeth I mean, if it's a stealth check, it doesn't matter if you got an 18: your party member who got 12 (who probably has a lower bonus for a good reason) means you have been spot.
Centrism isn't an ideological position, it is a method of being the least disagreeable in any society. If there were mandatory executions at age 28, and the two main parties argued over whether it should be lowered to 26 or 24, the centrist would say, you're all extremists, I can't believe I'm the only reasonable person left, clearly it should be lowered to 25.
@@torinju Soviet Union: we must try all the Nazis, and execute the worst Churchill: hey, they fought for their country, we shouldn't blame them for that America, enlightened centrists: Operation Paperclip
I love how his "hispanic immigrant" is basically just a Cuban. Also, the "has been paying taxes ever since" bit is nonsense. Undocumented immigrants and other classes of non-citizens (like people on a visa) pay taxes
I enjoyed watching those videos until I came across ‘snowflake edition’. The comments were so full of homophobia, transphobia, and general bigotry, that it made me physically uncomfortable. And guess what. The channel had liked every single comment.
@@dezodroya 4 minutes of "I actually Identify as a X" jokes then the DM uses his big brain to say "Pronouns and language don't matter and are overkill what matters is I respect you" all the libs look confused but accept this powerful knowledge
yes, it is, because the other characters are not constituting a discourse, or even an honest consideration of the logic of conservative or liberal arguments. They are literal straw men that the DM argues with without being prompted to do so and without offering a counter to his deconstruction. Yes, preachy.
@@nickagriesti6708 And there's an easy way to do this which explores ideas (real ideas, not transgender immigrants using climate change to take our guns type ideas) in a humourous way without solidly arguing for one side or another. It's not a new idea to have two opposing, but reasonable, characters have a dialogue where they both poke fun at each other. You don't need the guy in the middle to make 100% sure the audience definitely knows what they should be thinking.
Oh god please don’t remind me of my garbage views when I was a child. Conservative gamer politics poisoned me when I was a teenager and then like one year of learning about American history on my own because I loved APUSH so much turned me into a liberal and eventually a leftist. Oh how the turn tables…
Liberal-Authoritarian and Left-Right are two different scales. You can be left wing authoritarian - Stalin You can be right wing authoritarian - Hitler You can be left wing liberal - Ghandi You can be right wing liberal - genuine cases are rare in politics but not in society; someone like Elon Musk would be right wing liberal
I recently dropped a Pathfinder 1e campaign because they kept making trans jokes. I told them why I dropped and their main defense was, "We don't mean to offend, we're just joking about silly things. Really, it could be anything". "Anything" meaning anything that isn't centrist. 3(*possibly 5)/5 of the people there knew I'm trans and 2 of those people knew that about 75% of my family disowned me for it. Apparently it's silly for me to exist.
I had something similar happen to me in the past, except it by far wasn't as bad since their racist/homophobic "banter" didn't hit me directly. Didn't stop me from being disgusted and dropping those idiots after fruitlessly trying to explain why what they're doing was not just "innocent fun." I hope you'll find better company in the future, stay strong.
Isn't it great when people call a core part of who you are "silly". it's so clear they think trans people are just fucking pretending to be our genders but are REALLY our asab
Sure is hard to write a 'strong female character' when any that are written with half a brain or semi-competent at anything are immediately branded Mary-Sues.
Strong female character but that doesn't know how to use a sword (since women never used a sword in their life and cannot lift one of course, according to critics of the Witcher or Star Wars) and who will not save her boyfriend since he can do it alone (otherwise you're threatening his masculinity like Wonder Woman dared do in a movie, she should have left her boyfriend being in trouble, what a b**** she was) What the sexists mean by strong female character is one who will not cry once she is captured and who will keep faith that her boyfriend will comes to her rescue, otherwise if she does more than that, she is a Mary Sue.
@@thekinginyellow7777 This depends on the character. Women go through a different set of societal pressures challenges and expectations and this can have an effect on the character or be a part of their identity. A well-written character can be masculine, or feminine, or both or neither. The core component is that they should be well written and have personal agency, but this upsets some people.
Fascist: I want to commit genocide Anarchist: i want to stop him from committing genocide by any means necessary Centrist: Wow. Such reasonable arguments on both sides. Maybe we can come to a compromise?
Centrists on this mobile game I've been playing "both sides"-ed so hard that they let a post titled "straight pride" with fanart of a het ship stay up all day yesterday while in the meantime they had deleted a post titled gay pride with a sfw picture of a gay ship. At one point they were making the argument "well if we allow gay pride we have to allow straight pride so it's not a double standard" but I guess they stopped caring about double standards when it was a gay post on the chopping block?
I know, right? When this video was uploaded I only got a few minutes in before the clips TS was showing just got so irritating, I had to shelve it for a couple weeks to come back and finish later. I've never seen a man so shamelessly smug.
i think a "centrist comedy" sketch could work… if it were a series of gags about how centrists are actually just vapid cowards who can only form political opinions by listening to conservatives and saying "well, maybe we should only do _half_ a racism?" and thinking this elevates them over "both sides"
conservative player: "illegals are flooding our country. we should build a wall, and also reintroduce anti-miscegenation laws" centrist genius dm: "whoa there! how's about we build a _fence,_ and… anti-miscegenation laws are crazy! let's just reintroduce them for low-income households. i'm a political genius!"
In France we've got a say that goes: " centrism, that means not from the left and neither from the left". Btw raising the taxes for the wealthiest isn't a socialist idea if you consider that the these people wouldn't have a place in a socialist society.
@@rhyscooper3693 it means that when you say you are a centrist you are not from the left and not from the left, here you would expect not from left and not from right. But when discard the leftist ideas from the spectrum of your apprehension of the politic then position yourself in the middle of what remains you will tend center right. Centrist is an utopian position born of rejecting social conflic. But our society and politic is the materialisation of the conflict between persons, groups and classes, so saying people should find a middle ground is in a way denying the oppressions already happening (poverty, racisme, sexism, ...). So if you search for a middle ground without thinking about these oppression you will tend right no matter how moderate you want to be, no matter how peaceful you want the society to be. I hope it's clearer now (I quite doubt it), these are difficult concepts, hard to explain even harder to explain in English (being a native French speaker)... And I also don't pretend to have understood them deeply enough already.
Raising taxes on the wealthy is called socialist in the US because, you know, the rest of the Western world doesn't exist or something. That alone highlights how far to the right US politics are. Also great quote about centrists!
It reminds me of a ridiculous psych article I read about so called "my side bias" as if an individual's unwillingness to submit to an opposing argument is all about group identity and has nothing to do with an objective understanding of the issues.
"if you want a strong female character, just write one." *writes strong female character* Shockedpikachuface.jpeg For real though, the fit they're currently throwing over -the last of us part 2- is like... over writing a strong female character.
Mann Shorts is throwing a fit? But yeah I agree with the general outrage over Abby. I hate her, don't get me wrong, but the outrage is stupid. my problem with TloU part 2 is more in gameplay-story divide and some of the HOWs not so much the WHATs (and the fact that it drags on in places to me).
The Culture Warriors don't really care about characters. Their fight is against the concept of representation, and ultimately minorities themselves - the outrage about video game boobs is just a way to couch their bigotry in fandom, to make them look like defenders of video games against undue influence.
@@antaresmaelstrom5365 Didn't say manshorts was. but that idea that this is really about revisionism of previous works when they really just dont like women.
Check out the Critical Drinker's review of The Last of Us Part 2 - he does a great job picking it apart while praising its good points and trashing it's bad points.
@@hacksignify I don't even necessarily think it is disliking women so much as the new protagonist that is replacing the old protagonist being a woman replacing a man. Especially in the case of TloU2 where the replacement is violent and happens in-game. I think it is (in this specific case) a matter of having identified with the old protagonist and been made to feel 'badass' but now a female character comes along who not only brutally defeats and eliminates the person they identified it, but does so in a sequence that portrays the previous protagonist as weak (no big fight where he first takes out a multitude of enemies etc). So they take from that an implied message of 'previous protagonist was 'weak and/as shit' and therefore so are you, here now play this new and improved version that is significantly harder for you to identify with or represents someone distinct from what you would aspire to be". Not saying that message is actually intended but it is very easy to come to that conclusion if your mindset is 'they are forcing diversity into my happy place'.
I love that Mann Shorts brands itself as this "centrist voice of reason" and then in the "Liberal D&D" sketch they literally stare into the camera and give everyone a hard right-wing monologue
I've come to realise that when conservatives say "strong female character", they mean "female protagonists of action or horror movies that came out before I was old enough to form garbage political opinions, like Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley". 'Cause anyone after that is a Mary Sue.
@@Phlebas I am left-wing, but I do see their point on this - not always, because I'm aware some people are like "this character isn't a cishet white man! Pandering! PANDERERS!", but some people have good points. It seems too often that female characters are "Mary Sues" because producers don't want to show women as weak or anything, stunting options. Honestly, as someone who reads a lot, some of my favourite protagonists are women, but almost none have been on the big screen. This is coming from a cis white dude that's... a backwards tomboy, I guess.
@@azuregriffin1116 I kind of agree with ya but sadly... The chuds just want to use whatever they can to be sexist. Can't even judge a movie for its writing anymore without them freaking out and making it way more political than it really is. I'd like to leave a fair review for last of us 2 on metacritic but what's the point? They fucked it all up lol.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Skulduggery Pleasant is arguably my favourite example, where the protagonist is a girl but the series is named after her eccentric reanimated skeleton mentor. It's a book for slightly older kids than Harry Potter, and I think I'll re-read them soon. I can never forget the lines (something to the effect of): "I hear whistling. The Girl from Ipanema...?" "Can't be. How does he whistle without lips?" "He talks, doesn't he?" Or the best line from any combat ever: He bravely blocked the punch with his nose.
@@azuregriffin1116 Well said. Lol this is nice. That I can come here and talk about the entertainment world without too many alt right chuds yelling SJW this and CUCK that lol. Not that many spaced on the internet that allow for a reasonable discussion. So I thank you Azure! Pleasant ay? I'll have to check it out : )
Not going to lie the comedy of this comedy show was hard to watch. Like I don't enjoy calling something "cringy" but....well let's just say I rediscovered some emo bands I listened to in high school and I didn't cringe as hard at all of those music videos put together. Ouch
fascism is when censorship, and censorship is when someone says ugly word to a person they dislike. therefore, fascism is when you call other people fascist.
Subtracting from another roll and adding to your own once per day ... sounds like a pretty interesting mechanic that a smart party could leverage to do some ridiculous shit. Like, the barbarian has advantage and +13 to hit and he's gonna hit by miles, so the rogue takes some of that to-hit bonus and then they BOTH hit. Because it turns out sharing when you've got more than you need benefits everybody. They wrote a script where they tried to create a ridiculous ability making fun of wealth redistribution that's actually a really strong argument for wealth redistribution lmao.
Consciously getting lost in the weeds here, but wouldn't you want to prioritize the rogue's roll most of the time? Since they're likely to do more damage, I mean. And isn't that what capitalism does? The rogues being the Wall Street guys and the damage being their capital accumulation? I think the core issues are 1) what we prioritize, and 2) who makes that decision.
@@Disentropic1 ... they both hit. That's the point. Barbarians have extremely easy access to advantage (which is effectively +5ish to the hitmod) so a friend could siphon a bunch off and then everybody hits.
@@polymphus Yeah I don't think that's how the math works. It may be unlikely for either to miss, but that doesn't mean much mathematically. The optimal choice is probably to prioritize one or the other. There's a true scarcity of to-hit mod.
Ugh, these sketches make me cringe. They make it seem like they're above everyone else because they don't think anyone on either side is right, so they must be because they're smarter and therefore, more correct than anyone else.
"What is and is not neutral is itself contested." This is a really good line to sum up the whole argument of centrism. You can't ever truly be unbiased or centrist, because your idea of centre is immediately telling of what you truly believe.
7:00 Also, did they just completely forget about the Divination ability where you can give your dice rolls to other players? “Oh man wouldn’t it be silly if this is how DND worked?” The mechanic you’re describing is literally in the game.
Because, as we all know, showing up somewhere that was already going to platform a fascist, particularly to contest or voice opposition to said fascist, IS platforming a fascist. That's why we need to cancel antifa: they keep showing up to counterprotest fascists, and by doing so they are platforming fascists!
@@Piterdeveirs333 lol I really don't mind people going off the beaten path and abandoning the campaign. If, however, they try to take over and control the entire game, not giving other players a chance to play or have any fun, then an NPC might just reward them with a spiked mead.
I do want to just say the "Repeat catchphrases until they stick!" bit made me laugh. That's the only funny line in the entire video though. Also both these groups need a better DM.
They do , the railroading plus a DMPc, and a surprising lack of DnD. I like to think after this both parties found each other sharing horror stories about the same so called DM and stared playing together. It doesn't last long but evreyone consider it much fun than the DM so called campaign. So in way the DM did succeed in trying to conservaties and liberals to agree on one thing that no D&D is better than bad D&D and bad D&D is better than what ever it is that the DM in that skit considers D&D.
Innuendo Studios said it best: "There is no rule or evidence that proves that the left and right are both equally valid, there is only the liberal sentiment that saying otherwise is poor sportsmanship, which is a standard that the right does not hold itself to."
@@cchapman3193 I think it's "you go low, we go high" or something like that
"sportsmanship"🤮
I am no man
Just be nice to others for fucks sake
@@ColonizerChan but! My opinions!!!!
It's crazy how "I don't want to entrust my health and well being to an *inept* government" is *never* applied to the police, the military or the fire department
Loving the logic here, great point.
Not to mention the fact they also don't pay for it. The infrastructure crumbles since the working class ponies up the tax money the middle class escapes by their cuts.
I don't trust an inept government with my health care. So I'd rather just not have any health care because I'm not rich enough to afford it, and trust the inept government with nuclear weapons and unlimited surveillance powers. Seems legit.
Also, *corporations are just as inept as bourgeois governments*
@@McHobotheBobo yeahhhh. the book _Bullshit_Jobs_ by David Graeber makes that point really well.
Can people just stop acting like being trans is a political opinion? That bit really got under my skin ..
for real. like sorry i wanna take a shit? should i just get my politics out of the bathroom and go shit in the woods?
Yeah, regarding people's existence as political is sort of murderous tbh
It does go hand in hand with some political opinions though.
@@cutecommie not really. I mean, sure, we tend to go more for political leanings that actually think we exist and should have rights but that's only natural. Doesn't mean being trans in and of itself is a political opinion, or an opinion at all, frankly.
@共産ロリ You can thank Blaire White and Sargon for that.
"Compelled by law to use certain terminology" He definitely reads Jordan Peterson.
>"stop restructuring existing stories to fit your agenda"
>creates an imaginary black friend to fit their agenda
And even then I would be like "Bro, have you seen Candice Owens? She's so Republican even Dave Chappelle hates her."
That isn't hypocritical. He finished that by saying "If you want strong female characters, write one."
He wanted a conservative black dude, so he wrote one.
semi colon Why do I get the feeling that this is a strawman take.
@@valenluca3253 You don't really criticize someone's comments just by stating that it's "strawman" based on nothing. It doesn't work that way.
Also I can guarantee that some of the people who make that argument are fans of DC, or Marvel Comic Books. You know, the media institutions that have seen countless retcons and restructurings.
When the condescending centrist man said that the liberals were being “the real bigots” for wanting trans people to live in peace I nearly lost it lmao
Yeah. Saying you want everyone to be treated equally, while simultaneously working actively to block protections against discrimination, is madness.
Right? Are we bigots for calling Nazis and social conservatives bigots simply because we have a "difference of opinions?" Like, dude. Words have meaning.
grapebuilding when he said “the only people that call others fascists are fascists” I laughed so hard because the French resistance often said stuff like “death to fascism” which by his logic makes them more fascist than the Nazis lmao
It literally increased my ideation 🥴
the real arsonists are the firefighters. Look up "backburning" by fire fighters to see firefighters start the very fires they wish to fight! I am extremely smart.
In fairness, the depiction of a self-described liberal actually being a conservative in practice is fantastically accurate.
I'm going to have to agree. The video is about liberals, not leftists.. though some people really think liberals are actually left, when they're more like, conservatives with a little identity politics flare.
@Madalin Grama
Well, less open bigotry when compared to American conservatives.
*Edit: Grammar
This is it! Their video reveals a different thing, than they intended.
More black trans drone pilots
Liberals are different than conservatives insomuch as they will ask you your prefered pronouns as they evict you from your appartment.
He said "tribalism helps no one" then in the next breath "your fellow Americans"
@Domi Macaroni And when I don't see it in myself!!
I think that might be the only joke in the entire sketch!
gotta love that infinite recursion loop of "if you call out bigotry that makes you a bigot".
And "calling out fascism makes you a fascist"
Damn, you really got me, I think black people aren't subhumans and corrected you... Guess I'm a bigot.
if you see racism in racism that means YOU're the one bringing race into it
The craziest I have seen, and I have seen this a lot, is the claim that if you just ignore the racism, it will go away. Otherwise, you're enabling it. So just ignore the white nationalists calling for genocide, and they'll get bored and quit...
By this definition if I call Henrich Heimler a racist ... That makes me....racist?
if USA wanted to be centrist, they would have to move hard left.
@@jasonknott6787 that argument is idiotic...it just might work, quick hack the debate questions!
The Right think Jeff Bezos should keep all his money.
The Left think he shouldn't keep any of it.
The Centrists want to take half... wait, they don't? :shocked pikachu:
If the world wants to become a better place, the left right spectrum should die out.
Bars
@@jasonknott6787 LOL
"If you call me a bigot/fascist, that means *you're* a bigot/fascist!"
ahhh, the classic "I'm rubber and you're glue" argument
Did you know Bungee Gum has the properties of both rubber and gum?
Works like a charm
They usually say "so much for the tolerant left!"
The Towelie defense, “you’re a towel”
@@herickkenalgin4473 afdxshggi
It really can’t be stated enough that to this guy “ruining film franchises with SJW stuff” is equally as bad as “not accepting climate change”
Like. Yeah. Totally. Those are equally bad bro. The planet dying is just as bad as Laura Dern in Star Wars.
Fuck everything.
oh wow “yeah” and oh look “totally” omg hu- **gets killed for my shit**
That is like saying that leftism is always Holodomor and the right wing is always free speech. If you actually look at both sides holistically you’ll find equal parts bad and good. Except libertarianism- that’s always based.
Those two things are equal to incredibly privileged people who make videos about people kind of sort of playing D&D as a thinly veiled excuse to rant about things that bother him.
Notice how this production that seems pretty light on props has nothing to signify the """"""""""liberals""""""""" except that one guy with american flag peace sign glasses (which I wouldn't even say counts) whereas they had plenty of MAGA hats and a don't tread on me tshirt to spare for the right wing side. I wonder why
Haha----suspicious.
Those were actually KAP hats.
Puts a thunker on the ole' bunker
Curiouser and curiouser 🤔
"I'm not a froaming-at-the-mouth fascist, therefore I'm reasonable and smart. Check-mate, liburals."
“I am a fascist, but I’m well-spoken and wear a suit; therefore I’m reasonable and smart.”
Whereas if you say anything even remotely social-democratic like "rich people should pay more taxes", that's so literally insane that no matter how you dress up or act, it's to be dismissed instantly. Man, it's almost like this centrist actually skews right or sth.
“Wow, as an enlightened centrist, it was amazing that we could have this dialogue and freely exchange I D E A S! My brain is in recovery mode from all these HIGH-LEVEL IDEAS!
...
IDEAS!!!”
I like how the DM's conservative character literally casts a spell to silence the PC's and then goes on to complain that they hate free speech and never listen lol
"I'm not transphobic, I'm just upset about a completely made-up issue, *and* I'm transphobic."
- Some dollar store Notch lookalike
You've never been to a Starbucks in Portland, have you? Large chunks of our population are being lied to by therapists, surgeons, and pharmacies leading to sterilization, extreme cognitive dissonance, permanent deformation, and no positive affect on suicidal ideation while creating more patients. That is a problem.
@@evanthesquirrelthey have therapy in starbucks?
"I'm not transphobic, I just don't think I should be socially obligated to respect trans people and if they're upset by that I'll start repeating a certain statistic."
i think that might be just notch
When I see media like this, I stop to think, "Who is this even for?" And realize the answer is - people who want to delude themselves into thinking their lack of involvement in politics is apolitical."
Yeah, it gets even more ludicrous when they accuse me of "bringing politics into things" for such radical positions as, "I should be allowed to shit in a public bathroom"
@@QuicksilverSasha I wish I had the magic wand that dictates what's political and what's not.
Sasha Kolbinger potty talk and politics share three words. Therefore they are the same. This is how words work.
@Βασιλης Οικονομιδης
No, because that's still an inherently politically motivated decision.
If you (HYPOTHETICAL you) decide not to do anything about an issue like climate change and global warming, you're making the conciencious choice to not do something about the issue of the Earth literally dying. Your silence admits that you don't see it as an issue worth your time. The decision not to be involved is an inherently political decision because you've ultimately stated, "This is not an issue for me".
And that's where the lack of involvement being the lack of an opinion will always trip up. The implications of your actions speak volumes about your priorities, and so too does any non-action. What you will and will not consider a priority worth engaging with and dealing with when in regards to politics IS a political opinion, no matter how little you actively engage in voting or signing petitions for bills.
@Βασιλης Οικονομιδης
Apply it to yourself if you feel so inclined. Just remember that it's still a political choice.
Very little of the choices that you make in government policies are apolitical, and like this video stated, what is neutral is still political because the idea of political neutrals are inherently contentious.
Things with elements of politics are political, and the politics don't even need to be overt. Media can have incredible influence on people, even if it's fictional media, and often is rooted in politics and themes about them.
How we view the world and what we think society should be, how we value people will root in politics. The art we enjoy or consider worthy of meaning is political as well. Even science gets political. Politics are in most things.
It sounds like a propagandist phrase, but, you can't really escape politics. And while the word TECHNICALLY can be used and while things can in THEORY and without context be considered apolitical, the context, reality, and practice is what matters.
"Some things don't need to be political", or, "it's not THAT political, you're making mountains out of molehills", are common phrases in this case, but they feel more like Ben Shapiro's, "let's say, let's say" arguments than anything else. Because the thought experiment while, in theory, sounding neutral and agreeable, is a pure hypothetical. It negates the real-world factors that would make this simple "political, apolitical" binary all the more incorrect and potentially even dangerous.
thoose d&d sketches are just a dude saying "EVERYONE IS STUPID EXCEPT ME", literally
And he does it by writing the most passive, easily defeated opponents possible. It’s kinda pathetic, honestly.
@@PlatinumAltaria God I hate it when some misuses 'tribalism '
"Oh yeah as i was saying, tribes are bad"
It's funny because he's fat.
How is this different from TS?
“One of them keeps putting ladies in movies, and the other one might end all life on Earth” lmao
"in a way yeah, you all have the same dice"
Using D&D and completely disregard modifiers, the one thing that would show you that not everything is equal.
Modifiers, ya know, those stats that literally take up a full third of the basic character sheet. Might be handy to bear in mind when analogizing.
Hell you have feats that also does that.
I have rolled a nat 20 on initiative, and gone after the guy who rolled 13 due to feats and modifiers
I mean as Thought Slime points out in the video they clearly have as shoddy and superficial knowledge of the game as they do the political positions they're trying to argue lol
@@darkeimp555 Based on their other content I don't think they lack DnD knowledge, they just purposefully ignore certain aspects of the game to support a narrative, which is arguably worse. However it is a neat parallesims to how they purposefully ignore certain aspects of reality to support their political stance.
@@bjam89 ahh, the classic rogue initiative.
"I rolled a 3, so... Let me add my bonus... That's a 23."
“I don’t want to be required by law to use certain terminology for people, I want to be allowed to call people whatever I want.”
0.5 seconds leter
“Calling me a bigot it bigoted!!”
You're profile pic is great
Catra!!
SandboxArrow In other news, the grass is green and the sky is blue.
Tristan will have his revenge...
Yeah... the trouble with Centrism it forgets that some people are literally fighting for their rights or lives. It's not a little bicker with 'the other side'
Too true. Centrism is a political ideology of societal privilege and blind comfort
Yep, the mainstream news media and creative media pushes the 'both sides bickering' narrative and these brainwashing lies totally worked.
"Centrism" is about setting the bounds of "acceptable" political opinion. The proud "centrists" never really frame themselves as the middle ground between the center-left and the center-right, or between left-wing and right-wing -- instead, they're the "middle ground" between the right wing and a just-a-hair-left-of-the-right version of liberalism. The whole point of "centrism" is shifting the acceptable range of opinion to the right by insisting on approaching extreme right doctrines seriously and respectfully while ridiculing anything solidly leftist as inherently ridiculous.
I'm convinced that the annoying centrist DM is evil mirror universe Tristan
We can't compromise with our lives.
I'm honestly struggling to get through this video because the comedy bit is sooooo bad. Like this guy deadass just filmed himself winning arguments against his friends playing dress up.
It’s because you’re so focused on your party that you can’t possibly believe that not everything you believe is correct
No it’s because presenting yourself in a fictional work solely as the good rational guy spreading truth, rather a a flawed individual with internal goal and conflicts and quirk and flaws, is cringe. Even when you’re spreading truth about defending trans people of something. Hyping yourself this way is cringe either way.
@@thesuperhorton70 That would very well describe the douchebag who made this skit
Funny how "enlightened centrist" and "politically illiterate" are basically synonyms
I’ve never seen someone use the term “enlightenment centrist” who wasn’t a midwit.
I'm actually legitimately happy to be "politically illiterate". Everyone I've ever known that even somewhat kept up with politics and current affairs was absolutely miserable at the time they were doing so. There was a time when I tried to keep up with the news and what's going on in the world. I decided it was only negatively affecting me and my life, and knowing all of this information was pretty useless for my day to day, not to mention how basically impossible it is to be constantly up to date with unbiased, actual meaningful news.
I plan on being "politically illiterate" forever, even if I'm actually not, because it makes for a better life. I've got opinions and beliefs like anyone else, but even the handful of people closest to me will hardly ever hear about it.
@@StumbIingforwardSure, ignoring your problems does tend to make you happy in general
@@StumbIingforward next time just keep it to yourself, buddy.
@@joaquinvideo2959 Well let’s see, are the majority of people out there completely brainwashed, or are they intelligent, well informed individuals who aren’t manipulated at all?
I’m supposed to what, believe what the government and the media tells me is going on and base my actions from there?
To actually keep up with what’s going on would require constant research of each topic and how they connect much further beyond keeping up with the news. You’d have to know the biases of every group reporting on it, why they’re reporting on it, to who’s actual benefit etc. it’s not as simple as “oh so and so is running and this bill was approved”, these people have handlers. What we’re shown is what we’re allowed to be shown.
It’s not about ignoring problems, it’s about choosing which problems to spend my energy and time on.
There is a quote that comes to mind, you can't be neutral on a moving train
I don't have a quote to hand, but it's often pointed out that conservatives always ask us to meet them in the middle, so we step forward. And then they step back two steps, and ask us again to meet them in the middle.
@@darthbob88 that's a good tactic, we should use that 😂 ... After they do that, we take three steps back. Fuckit, ten steps.
I believe it's a title/concept of one of Howard Zinn's books. I remember it forever because of System Of A Down's song Deer Dance, has it tucked into the 2nd verse. @darthbob88 that's what is known as 'moving the goalposts', a tried and true tactic of conservative power dynamics..
@@darthbob88 - I've seen it in a sort of story format:
> "Meet me in the middle" says the unjust man. You take a step forward, he takes a step back. "Meet me in the middle", says the unjust man.
"We can't be neutral on a moving train!"
🎶 Beyond the staples center, you can see America, with its dire, poor, avenging disgrace 🎶
“Meet me in the middle,” the unjust man says.
You move a step towards him. He moves a step away from you.
“Meet me in the middle,” the unjust man says.
Ugh see comedians that are this dishonest in the era of rush Limbaugh and fox news being tmz like stare tv making us all dum dums post Jon Stewart in the news is why I tend to mock comedians as then they become socialist racism Marx and Engels like snowflakes at the top when they get attacked by those below them in ideology! Give me a break you comedians and be more honest with yourselves before accusing us of being self centered in our poverty and misery by choice as you comedians being self aggrandizing like that is pure bs and you know it too as we see you people as fox news lite now in Hollywood when we expose your narassistic ways.
dnc be like "if we shift to the right fast enough, we might be able to catch up to those rascally republicans before they step right yet again!"
Democrats: "You betcha! Whoa, there, feller, you keep backing up. Here, I'll save you... just take a couple more steps here..."
@@toppersundquist *read this in Obama's voice
@@fowlae4414 I defaulted to Ned Flanders...
Me, a leftist D&D player: "It should be interesting to see how this comedian translates political opinions held in our modern world to a D&D game, which is not only set in a vastly different setting but also focuses on people unlike anyone in our world."
Sketch: "It's election season..."
Me: "Never mind."
Sketch: "Liberals redistributing wealth? Let's represent that by having a player's feat literally let them steal other peoples' numbers, which they're entitled to because of different opportunities, even though it's completely random! That represents how both liberal politics and D&D work."
Me: "WHYYY?!?"
Also:
1. I don't want to admit how long it took me to realize this "D&D game" took place in the contemporary USA. Which would make it d20 Modern a decade or so ago, but I don't think there's a 5e version of that, so who knows what the hell is going on.
2. The "sectarianism bad, can't we all just get along" sentiment is nice, and I used to agree. Then I realized that no, we _can't_ all just get along, because one sect is arguing that another shouldn't be allowed to exist. You cannot have complete freedom for all if some people will use their freedom to deny others' freedom.
3. Mr. DM. You're angry that the players "restructured" your adventure around their "political agenda". Your adventure about _an election,_ one couched in modern political terminology. And apparently set in the fucking United States?!? What did you _expect_ the players would do?
4. For that matter, why are you getting mad about players trying to assert their agency in the story? Isn't that what TRPGs are _supposed_ to be about? Especially ones with the open-ended structure that political adventures lend themselves to? Were you going to piss and moan if the players didn't want to support the candidate you thought would make the best ruler for your campaign setting?
5. If you're going to have players break out into political arguments in the middle of your "D&D" sketch, just make it a political-argument sketch.
@@timothymclean _The "sectarianism bad, can't we all just get along" sentiment is nice, and I used to agree_
i still kind of agree that it's bad ... the problem being that bad actors just call everything "sectarianism" or "tribalism", anything that requires you to "take a side". If you argue against nationalism (nationalism being the prototypical sectarianism) then nationalist sectarians will call you a sectarian. same with being anti-racist. same with being pro-lgbt. there is one side this is in favor of cooperation (the left), and one side that is anti-cooperation. and the side that is anti-cooperation WILL complain that the people that cooperate are against cooperating with them.
It'd be hilarious in Forgotten realms. "So Trans rights." "What's that?" "When one person feels they are not their correct sex and should be legally protected in their emotional, spiritual and physical feeling." "What? That's a right? Isn't that just normal? You know like, almost every temple genderchanges as a free service in the Heartlands? Cormyr nobility are MANDATED BY LAW to experience life as the opposite sex to 'figure out' their gender."
"Gay marriage!!"
"what that?"
"Two same sexed people getting married?"
"Dude marriage is only for politics and money and it doesn't care about gender... I fuck three dudes and nine girls and also a cow. I'm a little elfish that way."
"The dudes?" "NO, WHAT? THE COW!"
The funniest thing about the roll redistribution skill is that the DM acts outraged about it. Like how dare you use a power your character has that won't affect anything but the turn order, you bastard.
I want to like this but I can’t because it’s at 69 likes and I don’t wanna ruin it
Dude, no lie, thanks for calling out the "tribalism" thing for me. Didn't see the full context. Had been using it for almost a year.
I really appreciated that. My leftist radicalization came from learning about nomadic tribes and the way they live and behave, which is non heirarchiclal, peaceful, and easygoing. Goes to show that our natural condition is to be violent and greedy. By that definition I WANT to be tribalistic
just say tribadism instead
I study cultural anthropology, and the word tribe in general sucks, because it's used to describe all types of non western societies, while in fact, cultures don't split into we vs. the primitives
@@WanderingIdiot81 I’m pretty sure tribal peoples also murdered the shit out of each other all the time. Like at a much higher rate than people kill each other now. Native Americans weren’t all holding hands singing kumbaya until white people showed up lol.
@@Gum_Cuzzler That is true. Ever since we were hunter- gatherers we have engaged in war and violence and it is a common trend throughout all human societies. Tribal groups, including those of the americas, have been violent just like any other human civilisations. Violence and war are ‘hardwired traits’ (according to War in Human Civilisation by Azar Gat), a behavioural trait shared by evolution. The idea that tribal groups are peaceful utopias is wrong.
Curse you for making me watch that "comedy".
he had to watch the whole thing multiple times to make the video
@@bassednbasspilled6239 😨
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
You take a step toward him. He takes a step back.
Meet me in the middle, says the unjust man.
Love these educational devices.
Not sure where ya got this but I love it! Simple...poetic, idk it sounds cool Haha
Oooooh. Going to remember that one.
Lol, you dumb down the Overton window theory and they think you're a wizard genius. Geeeeeez
@@a105-t5m It's not just applicable to the Overton window, it's also just generally a manipulation tactic to get concessions out of people even while those people may still intuit those concessions to be unfair. If you can't articulate to yourself why something that feels unfair is unfair, you tend to be in a weakened position to negotiate.
And in the case of self-proclaimed "centrists", the constant need to view themselves as "reasonable" makes them particularly prone to giving concessions so as to be "fair" and means they very quickly cease to *be* centrist. It's how "why won't you debate me bro?" becomes seen as a legitimate political query when discussing actual harm to actual people that is actually happening.
The trend is particularly problematic if the default assumption of the political system you're in is that you have to pick between one of two evils anyway. You can get away with some pretty shitty stuff without even moving the Overton window that way. This is why politics so often wildly diverges from what the public actually believes should be happening.
Also I *am* a wizard genius. Got the pointy hat and Elemental Savant prestige class and everything.
the "AND MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN WOMAN CHARACTER" speech from the 'centrist' dude came so out of nowhere for me that i genuinely burst out laughing
And then we all died inside when we realized that the conservative equal to women in movies is not accepting global warming.
Like fuck dude.
Priorities.
Kinda told on himself a bit there didn't he.
Lmaooooo "It's bigoted to call someone a bigot!!" My mans just unironically regurgitated that whole paradox "a truly tolerant society would tolerate intolerance." Maybe I'm just really good at staying away from certain corners of the internet, but I had only ever seen that shit in like leftist meme circles. I cant believe he just . . . said it. And then like mic dropped.
It's also really paradoxical in and of itself. By that logic, wouldn't he be bigoted for calling liberals bigoted for calling conservatives bigoted? According to his own reasoning, there'd be no way to point out actual bigotry without turning into a bigot yourself, thus accidentaly proving the paradox of tolerance.
@@quadpad_music Bigots have no problem being so, they'd just rather you not point it out. Like any predator!
@@quadpad_music The whole "it's bigoted to call a bigot bigot" thing reminds me of Hyperbole and a Half's "pleestop" story, in which kids have an agreed-upon phrase "Please stop!" to settle disputes. Someone realizes they can say "Pleestop saying pleestop!" and the order of the universe is upset. The infinite regression only ends when the disagreeing parties can't shout anymore.
It's really big with prageru and the whole "diversity of opinion" is the real diversity" crowd insisting colleges to teach unfounded climate change denial beside real science
To be fair they were doing this as satire/parody but some parts make it seem like they think these are good comebacks or at least think that people in those arguments would feel they were lol
its a lot harder to be "light hearted" if someone points to the body count of your policies
Great, great point.
Fr, that's so true, if they don't really care that the world is literally fucking dying because of their policies, of course they won't bat an eye to people dying from lack of healthcare, "they are poor after all, it's on their fault!"
why aren't we discussing, first and foremost, that the "comedy" is just supremely unfunny
Political comedy can only ever be funny for people who agree with the politics.
@@vylbird8014 guess you're right lol
@@vylbird8014 My brother finds it funny even though he's an ancom like me
It's probably funnier to people who like to laugh at both nerds and [insert_political_affiliation_here].
Painfully so...just awful
This reminds me of that meme:
Right wing: "Let's do a genocide!"
Left wing: "No! No genocide!"
Centrist: "Okay guys, let's have /some/ genocide."
Right wing: "I guess I can live with that for now."
Left wing: "No!"
Centrist: "Liberals are so unreasonable."
Yes! Thanks for posting this, to show how illogical centrism is. Either you're fighting for a data based, ethical system or you're not--and if you're not you're either ignorant or evil.
@@calmingwaves3134 I don't think you can have a data-based, ethical system. Any system that is data-based would be defined by the data which is inherently free from morals. Any morality that you inject into such a system will cause it to move away from being truly data-based.
@@antaresmaelstrom5365 While data is free from morals, data is true. The importance of data is in that it can used to define what an ethical system actually is, given we have some factors we consider it ethical to pursue.
So like, a non-data based ethical system could be anything that just kinda sounds like it would be good for a lot of people. But a data-based one would actually accomplish the stated ends. I don't think it makes sense to argue that data and ethics are separate ideas.
@@kitsunin4690 Except the greatest weakness of data is input. If I thought up a game that's literally just me slapping you, after the 5th round the data would show that it's only you who's being slapped, and an army on Facebook appears to explain that red faced people slap way more red faced people that non-red faced ones in Chicago, therefore you must be a hypocrite.
Either one acknowledges that slaps hurt and wouldn't want to get one, or the practice gets discontinued.
Right, because ALL right wing people want literal genocide. And centrists are contractually obligated to take the middle ground in literally every argument. What an informed opinion on other people's political views! Kinda makes me wonder if you've ever actually talked to a centrist in your life.
“Calling someone a bigot because they have a different 0PiNoN than you, makes you a bigot”
“Calling someone a fascist because they have a different oPInOn than you, makes you a fascist”
This argument is the equivalent of a 5 year old saying: No, you.
Why are most arguments against centrism just "appealing to extreme" fallacies.
A lot of these people whose view of the world & ability to critically analyze a situation is so tainted by their emotions
Wondering why they even went with fascist, pretty sure the big go to insult with conservatives is communist. So he should have said "calling someone a communist yada yada" how he went about it, he's using stereotypival liberal buzzwords for both
All those two year olds out there are so fascist with their "no, you" argument!
@@kasketbase8741 Is your argument that centrists do not have feelings?
@@havable no and maybe it’s not just emotions. What I meant to say is dogma. Valuing a certain agenda more than finding truth
This sums centrism better than anything.
"Meet me in the middle" said the dishonest man.
You take a step forward, he takes a step back.
"Meet me in the middle" said the dishonest man.
try saying "step towards him" because the forward/backward thing confused my tiny brain
Maher says bohemian rapsody. Rolls eyes as he's just as stupid as back then when abc fired his moronic a$$.
thats not what centrism is tho?
Centrists making things worse again 🤦🏾♀️
Again? When have they ever stopped?
They always do because if one side isn't gonna compromise, that side is gonna become the status quo. The democrats are just gonna keep going further right. We need an actual left in America
@Jack-a-Lopium Fish-hook theory.
"Roll your initiatives, please."
One of the players rolls a d6.
"Fifteen."
That has in-universe reasons and history, but yeah.
In fairness, he was actually running the Zoomies Tabaxi variant race so his characters Dex mod was just nanners.
I don’t play D&D and don’t understand.
@@misterdemocracy3335 normally you roll a d20 (basically just a 20 sided dice) and add your characters dex modifier (typically somewhere between -2 and +5 when starting out, if it's a negative you subtract instead of adding). D20's are incredibly common among d&d players, they are needed for like half the rolls. The dex modifier is determined based on your characters dexterity stat (determined based on character creation, plus any modifiers from equipment or magical bonuses or some other kind of bonuses. The modifier part comes from taking a supposed average of 10 where 11-12 is +1, 13-14 is +2, 15-16 is +3, etc. 8-9 is -1, 6-7 is -2 etc.).
I realize this sounds incredibly complicated and obtuse but it's actually pretty easy to get used to. Honestly, if you're interested at all but unfamiliar with the rules, my recommendation is just jump into it with a group with at least one friend. Just have the friend teach you as you go. Be willing to roleplay and just try to learn the rules as you go, the roleplaying is way more important than the rules.
@@misterdemocracy3335 In D&D, initiative determines what order people take their turns in a fight. To roll initiative, you roll a 20-sided die, but the one they rolled only has six sides. This might seem like a tiny mistake but rolling 20-sided dice is like the core mechanic around which most of D&D is based so getting this wrong is kinda weird.
When slavery was legal, centrists would say "I wouldn't own a slave, but I see no problem with other people owning slaves."
When Jim Crow laws were in effect "I have no problem with black people, but for some people it is too much to have them trying to live with us, and it would be wrong to ignore their views"
As LGBT people fought for their rights "I dont care if you're gay. But could you not be gay in the open? The poor conservatives dont like it when you show you exist and it is disrespectful to them for you to exist. But I have no problem."
Centrists now on transgenders "I dont care that you think you're a woman. I'm going to call you by sir. But hey, at least I dont think you should be killed. Aren't I enlightened?"
Centrists. Proudly siding with the wrong side of history, always.
Also don't forget, centrists want to fight for the free speech of Nazis, because yknow, it's not like they're dangerous or anything, freedom of speech am I right?
"I know it's upsetting to see people advocate for the eradication of our Jewish population, but just hear them out they have some other reasonable policies"
@@seanegan8150 they're always saying how freedom of speech is the most important thing ever and should have no restrictions whatsoever and are the first to proudly say to nazis "I dont agree, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it".
But somehow they never say that to leftists. For nazis it is "I dont agree with you", for, say, feminists and gender studies they say "you're just crazy. I consider myself black then so I can't be racist." While to socialists they say "your ideology killed 100 billion people. Everyone like you should be sent to prison."
@@rafaelneumann8365 Very true. It's worrying how much leverage people give to the right whilst leftists are treated like incarnations of the devil
@@rafaelneumann8365 Only speak for themselves I would fight for your right for freedom speech no questions asked.
@@seanegan8150 Well have otherwise the government has control over people and that opens door to all kinds of terrible things.
Folks: "It's terrible that our discourse has become so poisonous"
Me: Who poisoned it? It didn't happen on it's own. The people who poisoned it have names.
WhY aRe YoU bEiNg sO DiViSiVe !!1!
If government is so ineffective, why does the corporate world pay so much to control it?
same reason why republicans bitch about Big Government while expanding the Executive.
@David Orozco we live in a society
@David Orozco
Hobbs had a pretty compelling case... Meaning the USA aren't sufficiently better than the UK under Cromwell and voided their claims over governing people more likely to die in their system than without any protection.
The government IS ineffective BECAUSE the corporate world exists and controls it meaning it is no longer in service of the people, and instead in service of private corporations
@@hellothere3114
Oligarchy isn't meant to be serving the people.
Government is a iterative process towards less suffering or invalid (I love to use Hobbes on neoliberalism) and should be able to overcome corporate interest in the cooperate interest (Roaming free European travel increased competition AND revenue of the mobile phone market).
Had that happen with a conservative friend. He was always poking fun at me for being leftist and I never answered because I didn't want to make a scene, but one day it was just to much and I listed what his party actually does.
He was like "Bro, I thought you could have a reasonable, calm discussion" and I'm like *"How am I supposed to be calm when were literally talking about life and death and you're just fine with letting people drown"*
In addition to the fact that you're (we're all) completely justified in opposing conservatism passionately, I just want to note that making fun of someone's politics isn't normally associated with wanting a "reasonable, calm discussion". Sounds like your friend just retreated to his safe little tower of tone policing.
conservatives: "but theyre bad people tho, they deserve bad things (such as child cages and drowning). I THOUGHT WE COULD HAVE A REASONABLE DISCUSSION WAAAAH"
Says a lot that you can tell that guy about kids in concentration camps and his first thought was, "yeah, but the REAL sin is that you're YELLING."
"Boy, these two groups really piss me off. One of them keeps putting ladies in movies, and the other one wants to end all life on Earth. Wooo, just a real couple of jerks." This made me laugh loud enough to wake my slumbering dog. This is my new favorite channel.
More like “woah both these groups really piss me off. One of them wants to limit freedom of speech and want an economic system I don’t agree with and the other doesn’t care for the environment and doesn’t have basic respect” both sides can have things u disagree with WITHOUT being the extreme. Putting women in movies is not extreme, its basic shit thats been done for the past half century now, not believing in climate change is decently extreme. 70% of moderate republicans are for helping against climate change and that isn’t even centrists so i fail to see ur point.
@@curse4384 “doesn’t have basic respect” is a pretty disingenuous way to frame a group of people who are against tons of kinds of people having basic human rights, and who support policies that criminalize poverty and homelessness and make life difficult and dangerous for queer folks and minorities. People who complain about their freedom to incorrectly and damagingly refer to other people how they see fit, while actively trying to take away those same people’s right to exist and not taking violence against them seriously. People who are patently against democracy and science. People who want to ban books to hide a racist history so that inequalities will be harder to identify and challenge today. This is not anywhere close to equivalent to a group of people trying to get equal and fair treatment of all peoples.
@@dumbumbumbum8649 and if i asked a republican what they believed on these topics most would say that they have to focus on themselves as those people should as well, i do not see people who are being actively hateful, at most just not having the respect to acknowledge someone as they are, this is not try to take ones “human rights away” as you say, i do not understand the idea of someone’s human rights being taken in America, is it unbalanced? Yes, but the more people who just label the republicans as people who hate everyone besides them needs to take a step back and evaluate their actual policies, just as i would say leftists aren’t all communists who hate white people, I wouldn’t say all rights hate all non-white men and dont believe people should have rights
@@curse4384 I don’t care what they believe. The policies they want hurt other people. And you say they “just want to focus on themselves.” Yes. They support the status quo that hurts other people and they don’t care because they’re better off. Even in your defense of them, you’ve framed them as inherently selfish and protective of an abusive system.
@@curse4384 “I don’t understand the idea of someone’s human rights being taken away in America.” Jeez, ignorance. So policies that lead to the deaths of the homeless, poc, the disabled, and lgbt people have nothing to do with human rights? The fact that trans people are literally still arguing their own existence? The fact that are k ille d at such high rates? The fact that gay people couldn’t marry until a few years ago and that has been argued since. The restrictions on lgbt people from various jobs and military service that is only now being addressed? What do you even think a human right is that you can’t imagine it being infringed on by America?
When mr centrist genuinely used """tribalism""" I was ready to actually rip him to shreds
He can listen to my native ass teach him a few things about """""""""tribalism"""""""""
What do you mean?
Reply for the notifications because I know fuck all about tribalism
@@BlueGangsta1958 Can't wait
@@maxgrozema1093 Tribalism is when people are organised in tribes (or viewed as such by the colonising eye, I don't how useful the concept of tribe is in anthropology for instance, but it's certainly an exogenous view rather than a concept coming from the people in question, but I digress), which does not mean "constantly warring factions", as the dude in the video uses it. The way it's used here equates people living in tribal systems to savages, and also gives credence to the notion of savage people, which is a myth born, as far as modern times are concerned, from white dudes observing customs they did not comprehend.
The intro of the wiki on "Tribe" is enlightening: "The term tribe is used in many different contexts to refer to a category of human social group. The predominant usage of the term is in the discipline of anthropology. The definition is contested, in part due to conflicting theoretical understandings of social and kinship structures, and also reflecting the problematic application of this concept to extremely diverse human societies. The concept is often contrasted by anthropologists with other social and kinship groups, being hierarchically larger than a lineage or clan, but smaller than a chiefdom, nation or state. These terms are equally disputed. In some cases tribes have legal recognition and some degree of political autonomy from national or federal government, but this legalistic usage of the term may conflict with anthropological definitions."
If only we were tribalistic. Decentralized communities free from imperalism, tech tyranny, and being a wagie.
Bruh, I can’t even watch this video, the source material makes me cringe so hard lmfao
Yep, I'm going to try and watch it again in a bit, but it just hurts to cringe so hard.
He's the living embodiment of the "ackchyually" meme.
I don’t cringe, my heart actually hurts. Because I’ve heard these types of arguments from people I love and I just can’t.
It's disgusting
"Restructuring characters from existing storylines to fit your agenda is lazy"
And complaining there is too much gays in your soup, and it's not how mommy used to make them is whiny.
So I'm a trans man. I don't always pass and I wouldn't consider myself hyper masculine at all.
If someone says "I support trans people, i just don't think I should be forced to use *certain terminology*" it's LITERALLY just them saying "I don't want to get shit for saying I don't respect trans people, so I'll say that I support them. But i won't do anything to actually help them feel like themselves, because my perception of their gender is far more important than their own identity, and i don't want to be forced to use their pronouns and actually show respect for them."
It's bullshit, you CAN'T support trans people but refuse to learn a few fuckin words to describe a few concept, AND/OR just use the pronouns someone tells you they use. If you can't do those 2 basic fundamental things, you are not in any way supporting the trans community. That is bigoted because you insinuate that YOUR OWN perception of someone is more important to you than their ACTUAL identity.
agreed
(r)amen
But their identity is not real. No identity is. Identity exists within the individual mind and nowhere else. Other individuals can choose to affirm my identity or deny it. Individuals have a freedom of association- meaning that they can hold not only any beliefs but also any position. Your constant denial of OTHER peoples identity and freedom of association while crying for the defense of your own is why so many people are against trans activism. If you allowed centrists the freedom to disagree with you they might actually cozy up to your ideology instead of moving further right.
@@spehhhsssmarineer8961 Another example of the contradictory, poorly disguised conservative bullshit that centrists love to push.
@@spehhhsssmarineer8961 let's put it another way. say i'm named Dan. but i don't like the name dan, because i don't think it suits me. so, next time i see you, i'm like "hey, kinda wanna be called arthur, y'know?" .. and if you were like "i'm not gonna call you arthur cus that's just in your head", you'll be a weirdo. same thing for trans people. if someone you know came up to you and was like "hey, i think i'm a girl. could you refer to me with she/her please?" and you also refuse to do that, you're also a weirdo. why's changing your identity perfectly fine for stuff like names but when it changes to gender suddenly you can't infringe on other people's identity. it's nobody's identity to call me dan, just like it's nobody's identity to misgender that other fellow.
The DM sounds like me. When I was a 15-year-old dipshit who thought to be a centrist and listening to Tool made me the smartest guy in the room.
Hey, Tool is my favorite band ever, and whatever transgressions may have been committed by their fans shouldn't be held against them
@@post-leftluddite Tool is a great band, but there's definitely a contingent of fans who think they're hot shit because they listen to songs based on the fettuccine sequence.
Brynden Rivers I agree. Lots of tool fans are tools. But I still love Tool. But I don’t think OP is dissing tool. If you think liking tool makes you the smartest person in the room, you are one of the shitty fans.
@Irish Jester "...Rather, it means looking at each issue individually for the best policy approach, rather than being succumbed to ideologies"
I take this approach, too. It's how I ended up a leftie. And the definition of a centrist is someone who opposes most major political change. Using that definition, any person who claims to be a centrist in the modern United States is very right-wing.
Were those supposed to be comedy sketches? I’m not sure there were ever any jokes?
Right wingers don't laugh at jokes. They laugh at human rights and dignity for vulnerable people
@@no_peace Wow, true.
I mean, I already knew this implicitly, but seeing it spelled out so clearly is kind of surprising.
In fairness we didn't see the full videos. I doubt they're any funnier than what we did see, but that may be where the "jokes" are.
11:46 Let's be clear that continuously and intentionally misgendering someone is a form of harassment.
And even clearer, the idea of reporting said harassment is seen as blasphemy, censorship and a First Amendment violation by the Alt-Right, which makes the argument of "legal compliance to "forced terminology", (which is just a fancy way of saying, "I value 'biology' over feelings, stop telling me what to do) an extremely FAR RIGHT framing of the issue, and very much so not a political neutral.
@@briekepsiom92 if they valued biology they'd stop misrepresenting it by screaming that sociology terms have biological meanings when they definitely do not.
@@SavageGreywolf True. They value a prelapserian version of biology that never existed to continue harassing LGBT people, passing it off as legitimate.
I just finished watching a video called “When Wokes and Racists Actually Agree On Everything.” Because apparently anti-racists are the REAL racists, guys! Centrist comedy is just bad.
Tankies and Qultists are Putin simps though.
If you haven't seen it already, thought slime made a video about that guy too! it's called something like "Conservative comedy sucks too"
@@chavaspada no tankie likes putin
@@AbdallahTeach ah the no true scottsman fallacy 🤣🤣🤣
@@chavaspadaI appreciate the use of tankie as a derogatory term for someone who is over-eager to support regimes that call themself communist, even when those regimes are totalitarian in nature and do not serve the interests of the people, however the word "tankie" is generally used by anarchists to describe people who like the USSR and Mao's china. "Tankies" as a group are not characterised as liking Putin's Russia. I don't think saying so is a "no true scotsman fallacy" because I am not trying to prove a point by saying this, nor do I think anyone (appreciate the conversational hyperbole) identifies by the term "tankie" - it is an insult, so people tend not to identify with it or defend it as a reasonable position.
In short, there is no real political force that supports modern russia.
"Stop restructuring existing characters and storylines to fit your agenda. It's lazy."
That's...that's literally why we still have classic comic characters like Superman. The characters and storylines are constantly being updated to evolve with the times. The agenda: profit, pretty much.
Funny how they think people are forcing writers to include more minorities or women. I thought they were all about creative freedom.
These people don't think of profit as an agenda, so much as a natural inevitable pursuit, so universal that it's rarely worth acknowledging .
@@23Magistere Creative freedom to write as many straight white males... Maybe one of them has brown hair, maybe one of them has blonde hair. The diversity is endless.
The bit where he smugly explains why he can be shit to trans people hit me especially hard since today in hell Britain the House of Commons tweeted asking in the same smug 'neutral' tone how conversion therapy affects the LGBTQ+ community and if we think it should be made illegal? Like its some sort of rational discussion?
The fact that anyone considers it the rational centre to want to actively misgender trans people is so disheartening, to me feels like cryptofascism and it disappoints me that Slime thought it was still okay to recommend viewers check out their other videos after that, it kinda hurts. I wish Slime had argued that it's not so bad if people were to be made to respect people's pronouns, there's other protected speech, like you can't go using slurs against people in a workplace.
IMO there's been a pattern of far-right ppl claiming that hormones and proper treatment increases our odds of suicide and that "the only proven way to help" is conversion therapy. Obviously, they always say that garbage, but IMO there's been a coherent shift in strategy from just flat-out saying we're crazy and they hate us to implying that we're sick, they know best for us and they're doing it out of love. but this is just my experience from arguing with randos in poorly moderated spaces so maybe it's just something I'm noticing more.
No he just say that the government shouldn't control people speech.
@@22myguy so we'll control your speech
like what usually happens
@@heartache5742 I don't understand your point.
Hackneyed sketch comedy
+ uninformed strawman politics
+ smug, condescending tone
= perfect storm of centrist cringe
Does this stuff even deserve to be called "comedy" though? I'm not even talking about it's quality, or lack thereof, I just mean that the things said are barely even jokes, and the endings shown here were such blatant mask-off political diatribes that using the term comedy seems more like a cowardly smoke screen ("please don't rip into us, we're just clowns/it's just a joke roflmao') than something sincere. They can't even be bothered to commit to the D&D bit properly.
yeah no sorry i’m not going to have “calm civilised discussions” about my right to live as a trans person with someone who thinks i should continue to live as a woman when i’m not, be denied access to healthcare bc i’m trans, and (albeit a rare opinion) be murdered/violated bc i am trans.... i’m not going to argue with people who don’t think i (should) exist at all.
But, just think about their rights! Your existence might make them slightly uncomfortable, and you're completely oppressing their freedom of speech when you demand them to say the word "he".
Do you really believe that your health, safety and autonomy are anywhere near as important as preventing mild inconveniences to others?
And although it might be a rare opinion, gay/trans panic still being a viable legal defense makes it an option and that's fucked.
B-But we can't let you have certain genitals and be a man! If we don't know your genitals, that's invading our privacy!
No body is defending Trans genocide. They are defending the freedom of association.
@@spehhhsssmarineer8961Denying respect to trans people and denying them access to gender-affirming care is leading to increased violence against them, both from others and from self-harm. You don't get to have some little disagreement about whether they deserve fair treatment just because it would be slightly bothersome to you to have to challenge your preconceived notions. Grow the fuck up.
It's often looked to me like being a centrist is, in reality, just being a conservative who doesn't want to own the baggage that comes with that label.
Andrew Paddock I think being a centrist/independent is someone who doesn’t want the baggage of any label, left or right. Like, someone willing to have a conversation instead of a shouting match.
@@arozeisarozie Leftists have been having conversations for fuck knows how long now, centrists literally think they're the only people to have ever discussed or debated politics.
I would argue maintaining centrist beliefs in this day and age suggests a resistance to meaningful discussion, not an openness to it.
Rosie A. LOL!! How I start conversations: 😏 I’m smarter than you people and you other people because I don’t have any passionate views heh heh heh. I’m going to talk down to you about how you actually don’t need to do anything, unlike you plebs. I talk to racists and a black person. 😎
I dont want the baggage that comes with the left...the left are embarrassing.
@@arozeisarozie
Centrists aren't interested in discussion, they think they've already got it basically all worked out due to being Rational and Reasonable.
"i believe that everybody should be trated equally. i just don't think i should be compelled by law to use certain terminology"
so... he thinks he should be allowed to treat transgender people in a way that would denigrate and hurt them? that's... not what equality is
CW: sarcastic censored transphobic slur
no, no, no, you dont get it, It doesnt hurt CIS people when I call them tr*nnies so CLEARLY that means I can call ANYBODY tr*nnies!
The funniest part of this comedy sketch is that they think CNN is left wing. LOL
It is far left trump for a 2nd term is 100 per cent now.
@@thepenetrator2006 lol
Ah yes anarchist propaganda from CNN once again
What
I, too, remember when CNN said private property is illegitimate
Person 1: "People should have basic medical care, a roof over their head, and a planet to live on."
Person 2: "Movies are becoming too political and woke!"
Idiot: "I'm glad we both heard each other out. Now let's discuss why person 1 is a silly, hysterical moron and why person 2 has some valid points."
Exactly! Centrism never works because the harm caused by listening to the right is always significantly greater than the good caused by listening to the left. Not to say that our policies don't do a lot of good, but their policies do A LOT of harm.
I don’t think there was a single joke in either of these videos. Literally not one
Yeah it was pretty much pure propaganda..
It's funny that this guy claims he's a "Centrist" but obviously, like most Centrists, are conservatives who don't want the stigma associated with the ideology
they also have a “gender” edition from three years ago that follows almost exactly the same format except the solution is that the DM destroys his players with the facts and logic of “why are language and pronouns so important i just respect you as people” 🙄
I did a nose exhale laugh out of exasperation at this
(Btw your name is awesome and I love it)
"Why are language and pronouns important to you" and "I want to respect you as people" are two completely different talking points afjsdgfhras did he seriously write that in a script and think that sounded good?? Using the right language for us * is * respecting us!
"why do I have to call you by your name isn't respect enough?????"
@@cromchychipdip5982 yeah, not like every cis person is cool with all pronouns. usually they like the pronoun that matches their gender.
gender is obviously important to a lot of cis people, i think when like a cis guy is accidentally called ma'am and then the other (cis) person corrects themselves and is really apologetic
(that happened to me except i'm not actually cis just pre-transition)
normally i don't think it ever crosses anyone's mind to think what's in anyone's pants,
it never crosses anyone's mind about chromosomes or any of that,
it's usually _gender and not sex_ that they are worried about here.
@@austinfernando8406 I hadn't ever thought of that (accidentally calling someone cis by the wrong pronoun) in relation to the whole "why does it matter?"/the dumbass attempts to fight against simply being asked to, y'know, respect people/their identity. Especially in recent months, I usually encounter the bigots when they're using it to try and "diss" someone for something unrelated - usually the RW/WS/Dim Pool types trying to troll so they check a Twitter bio just to see if pronouns are listed so they can then go "of course you, an effeminate soyboy breadtube socialist liberal, would list your pronouns!"
Anyway, great observation and definitely spot on. Also when someone is unsure of another's gender, they will even go out of their way to not offend/embarrass them by asking someone else or avoiding pronouns as much as possible.
DM guy's whole stance is basically "if you're going to discuss politics, don't bother having anything you want to accomplish, because it annoys me and there's nothing wrong with the status quo."
Gimme a conservative over a centrist any day. At least conservatives actually have something they want, and we can duke it out. A centrist not only doesn't want anything, but wants everyone else to stop wanting anything. Centrists are basically the political equivalent of the zero-tolerance policy. Both the bully and the victim get suspended because we can't be bothered to figure out who the aggressor is and who was just minding their own business.
*JREGISM INTENSIFIES*
"this one person has a bad opinion, therefore whole group bad" ah yes, you're one of *those*
@@playtimeplay4518 I mean, he's defining the group by that bad opinion. If you've got a problem with his statement, either provide a definition of centrist that doesn't include Fabrizzo's criticisms or explain why the bad opinion isn't bad.
To centrists, any political position that's even somewhat different to their own is biased and irrational. By contrast, they believe they've found the god of all political opinions, and thus, they're the only non-biased people. Because of that, centrists like this tend to believe that any opinion apart from their own is inherently wrong, not for any logical reason, but by nature of being different to their own. They don't come to their opinions because they think they're correct, the opinions become correct by virtue of being theirs
16:50 She immigrated to the United States, which as we all know, is a perfect setting for your D&D campaign.
right? if i were in this game and the DM was like "here's an NPC who's liberal/conservative" my response wouldn't be a bunch of wild assumptions about them, it'd be "why are you telling me this. why is this relevant. why are there modern US politics in my fantasy game."
Ok yeah I agree with that. But personally I loved the conservative edition overall.
Someone actually creates a D&D campaign setting called Murka on Kickstarter which is supposedly a campy satire of America. The book is called Monsters of Murka I think.
Dimension 20's the Unsleeping City campaign proves that the modern United States is actually a pretty good setting for a 5e campaign.
I can't help but point out that "Roll Redistribution" makes perfect sense in D&D, and there's even some actual feats that does something essentially identical in Pathfinder. (Including "Socialist" Teamwork Feats that straight up allow initiative roll swapping.) As D&D is a cooperative game, if, say, the wizard gets a low roll on initiative, but the fighter gets a really high one, the wizard might say, "I have a feat that lets us swap initiative. I'll cast Haste on the party on my first round, so if you let me go first, you can start your first round of combat already moving at double speed and not have to use a double move to reach the monster so you can attack on your first round." If the other player agrees, that's not "crazy welfare gibberish", that's "playing D&D intelligently." It *KIIIIINDA* undermines the notion that these are some "crazy liberals" saying "crazy liberal stuff" if the "rational centrist" DM is just whining about perfectly valid gameplay, especially when the players are cooperating and would be functioning cohesively as a team to do so.
TBH, as bizarrely stupid as it was, both feats...actually resembled real feats. Quicklings as a racial feat always go first, and roll redistribution wouldn't be that weird, though it'd be more likely to give bonuses/swap initiative, or give rerolled initiatives. Ala oracle or other luck manipulation classes.
@@WereScrib i just thought it was hilarious that in the "liberal edition" the DM was like "WHAT you can't redistribute the rolls tHaT'S UnFAiR" but in the "conservative edition" the DM's like "oh you wanna be able to arbitrarily decide whatever roll you want? seems fine to me." at least have equal reactions to both jesus.
Not only that, but in basically every RPG there is a way to delay your action or act on a lower initiative without using any feat. Because in RPGs, like in real life, cooperation is really effective.
I actually like the idea of this feat. It's once a day so it can't really be abused without a slew of other feats. If the DC is 15 and I roll a 12 and my buddy rolls an 18, his (econ lesson) bonus 3 is deadweight loss it does no one any good at all. So I take it for this roll as we both succeed! That seems pretty cool actually. Maybe even weak for a 1/long rest ability.
@@Ozmeth I mean, if it's a stealth check, it doesn't matter if you got an 18: your party member who got 12 (who probably has a lower bonus for a good reason) means you have been spot.
Centrism isn't an ideological position, it is a method of being the least disagreeable in any society. If there were mandatory executions at age 28, and the two main parties argued over whether it should be lowered to 26 or 24, the centrist would say, you're all extremists, I can't believe I'm the only reasonable person left, clearly it should be lowered to 25.
Great post.
Exactly. During WWII, they would be for exterminating only half the Jews.
@@torinju Soviet Union: we must try all the Nazis, and execute the worst
Churchill: hey, they fought for their country, we shouldn't blame them for that
America, enlightened centrists: Operation Paperclip
I love how his "hispanic immigrant" is basically just a Cuban. Also, the "has been paying taxes ever since" bit is nonsense. Undocumented immigrants and other classes of non-citizens (like people on a visa) pay taxes
I enjoyed watching those videos until I came across ‘snowflake edition’. The comments were so full of homophobia, transphobia, and general bigotry, that it made me physically uncomfortable. And guess what. The channel had liked every single comment.
"centrist"
Their "Gender Edition" was so bad. I stopped watching them after that one.
What do they said?
@@dezodroya 4 minutes of "I actually Identify as a X" jokes then the DM uses his big brain to say "Pronouns and language don't matter and are overkill what matters is I respect you" all the libs look confused but accept this powerful knowledge
@@SploshBadger What a moral tho LMAO "I respect you but not enough to use your correct pronouns, THAT'S JUST OVERKILL" Ah yes, so sagacious and wise.
@@ToruKun1 "I respect you but I think your identity is stupid and made up. That's what respect means."
I'm really glad I missed that one. I dropped them after I saw the liberal/conservative eps.
Is it preachy when you literally have the “reasonable” character speak into the camera when everyone else is framed to be speaking to him?
yes, it is, because the other characters are not constituting a discourse, or even an honest consideration of the logic of conservative or liberal arguments. They are literal straw men that the DM argues with without being prompted to do so and without offering a counter to his deconstruction. Yes, preachy.
The only thing more preachy would be an actual preacher
@@nickagriesti6708 I was being sarcastic
@@nickagriesti6708 And there's an easy way to do this which explores ideas (real ideas, not transgender immigrants using climate change to take our guns type ideas) in a humourous way without solidly arguing for one side or another.
It's not a new idea to have two opposing, but reasonable, characters have a dialogue where they both poke fun at each other.
You don't need the guy in the middle to make 100% sure the audience definitely knows what they should be thinking.
@@theomegajuice8660 I think there's a Contrapoint episode like that.
This guy sounds like me at age 14 when I had just discovered anti sjw tube and uncritically repeated every good sounding talking point they fed me.
I was like that too, though it initially started out as atheist tube
@@TheNinthGeneration1 You too, eh?
Oh god please don’t remind me of my garbage views when I was a child. Conservative gamer politics poisoned me when I was a teenager and then like one year of learning about American history on my own because I loved APUSH so much turned me into a liberal and eventually a leftist. Oh how the turn tables…
@@nikki1926 It’s crazy how radicalizing studying history can be.
Welcome to the right side of history
"Centrism":
When right wing extremists try to redefine the acceptable range of debate.
I liked the part where they said liberals were the "political left." That's a real knee slapper.
Center left is about as far as they get
Swole Jeezy center right*
Liberal-Authoritarian and Left-Right are two different scales.
You can be left wing authoritarian - Stalin
You can be right wing authoritarian - Hitler
You can be left wing liberal - Ghandi
You can be right wing liberal - genuine cases are rare in politics but not in society; someone like Elon Musk would be right wing liberal
@@chiip90 That isn't at all what they meant in the original video, and you know it.
@@nicklarocco4178 Well yeah I think the general consensus is that those guys don't know what they are talking about.
I recently dropped a Pathfinder 1e campaign because they kept making trans jokes. I told them why I dropped and their main defense was, "We don't mean to offend, we're just joking about silly things. Really, it could be anything". "Anything" meaning anything that isn't centrist. 3(*possibly 5)/5 of the people there knew I'm trans and 2 of those people knew that about 75% of my family disowned me for it. Apparently it's silly for me to exist.
"I didn't mean it" is the first line of defence of a gas lighter, followed by trying to make you feel guilty for making them (allegedly) feel guilty.
It's hard being reflective.
I'm sorry that happened to you. Your existence is definitely not a silly.
I had something similar happen to me in the past, except it by far wasn't as bad since their racist/homophobic "banter" didn't hit me directly. Didn't stop me from being disgusted and dropping those idiots after fruitlessly trying to explain why what they're doing was not just "innocent fun."
I hope you'll find better company in the future, stay strong.
Isn't it great when people call a core part of who you are "silly". it's so clear they think trans people are just fucking pretending to be our genders but are REALLY our asab
"She owns *rolls dice* 15 guns" is the funniest fucking thing in these sketches and i'm 100% positive it was not intended to be funny
Chuds: "If you want a strong female character, write one"
Naughty Dog: "Hey we wrote this one"
Chuds: "BUT THE PROTEIN"
Sure is hard to write a 'strong female character' when any that are written with half a brain or semi-competent at anything are immediately branded Mary-Sues.
Well-written female characters should be indistinguishable from well-written male characters.
Good thing he didn't specify to write a good one
Strong female character but that doesn't know how to use a sword (since women never used a sword in their life and cannot lift one of course, according to critics of the Witcher or Star Wars) and who will not save her boyfriend since he can do it alone (otherwise you're threatening his masculinity like Wonder Woman dared do in a movie, she should have left her boyfriend being in trouble, what a b**** she was) What the sexists mean by strong female character is one who will not cry once she is captured and who will keep faith that her boyfriend will comes to her rescue, otherwise if she does more than that, she is a Mary Sue.
@@thekinginyellow7777 This depends on the character. Women go through a different set of societal pressures challenges and expectations and this can have an effect on the character or be a part of their identity. A well-written character can be masculine, or feminine, or both or neither. The core component is that they should be well written and have personal agency, but this upsets some people.
Fascist: I want to commit genocide
Anarchist: i want to stop him from committing genocide by any means necessary
Centrist: Wow. Such reasonable arguments on both sides. Maybe we can come to a compromise?
Ha, a centrist would never call an anarchist reasonable.
What anarchism has to do with people's lives?
@@TheBrazilRules
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What do you mean by that question lol. Political philosophy is about how people live their lives.
@@TheBrazilRules Read bakunin Kropotkin and Proudhon, if you want to know what Anarchism means
Centrists on this mobile game I've been playing "both sides"-ed so hard that they let a post titled "straight pride" with fanart of a het ship stay up all day yesterday while in the meantime they had deleted a post titled gay pride with a sfw picture of a gay ship. At one point they were making the argument "well if we allow gay pride we have to allow straight pride so it's not a double standard" but I guess they stopped caring about double standards when it was a gay post on the chopping block?
"if we allow a *slightly* left wing post like 'gay people are okay' we have to allow a far right post mocking their existence!"
It's so pretentious to write a scenario where a bunch of people act like complete buffoons just to write yourself in as the voice of reason.
Dhar mann, anyone?
The clips of this "comedy" routine are almost unwatchable.
Lol I think I hate all 4 of them. Especially the main one who's the dumbest one there actually.
Last time I checked, comedy is supposed to involve jokes.
I know, right? When this video was uploaded I only got a few minutes in before the clips TS was showing just got so irritating, I had to shelve it for a couple weeks to come back and finish later. I've never seen a man so shamelessly smug.
i think a "centrist comedy" sketch could work… if it were a series of gags about how centrists are actually just vapid cowards who can only form political opinions by listening to conservatives and saying "well, maybe we should only do _half_ a racism?" and thinking this elevates them over "both sides"
conservative player: "illegals are flooding our country. we should build a wall, and also reintroduce anti-miscegenation laws"
centrist genius dm: "whoa there! how's about we build a _fence,_ and… anti-miscegenation laws are crazy! let's just reintroduce them for low-income households. i'm a political genius!"
It's like if Strawman Argument was a person and made comedy sketches.
In France we've got a say that goes: " centrism, that means not from the left and neither from the left".
Btw raising the taxes for the wealthiest isn't a socialist idea if you consider that the these people wouldn't have a place in a socialist society.
I don't get it. Can you paraphrase that?
@@rhyscooper3693 it means that when you say you are a centrist you are not from the left and not from the left, here you would expect not from left and not from right. But when discard the leftist ideas from the spectrum of your apprehension of the politic then position yourself in the middle of what remains you will tend center right. Centrist is an utopian position born of rejecting social conflic. But our society and politic is the materialisation of the conflict between persons, groups and classes, so saying people should find a middle ground is in a way denying the oppressions already happening (poverty, racisme, sexism, ...). So if you search for a middle ground without thinking about these oppression you will tend right no matter how moderate you want to be, no matter how peaceful you want the society to be.
I hope it's clearer now (I quite doubt it), these are difficult concepts, hard to explain even harder to explain in English (being a native French speaker)... And I also don't pretend to have understood them deeply enough already.
I actually really like that saying and I think i'm gonna start using it.
@@pakrett ah okay. Thanks for explaining.
"Centrist: neither from the left, nor from the left!"
I quite like that.
Raising taxes on the wealthy is called socialist in the US because, you know, the rest of the Western world doesn't exist or something. That alone highlights how far to the right US politics are.
Also great quote about centrists!
Idk what hurts more: cringe centrism or writing a sketch about d&d while knowing nothing about it.
Wow I never even thought of the word 'tribalism' like that. Yeah I'll definitely stop using it
It reminds me of a ridiculous psych article I read about so called "my side bias" as if an individual's unwillingness to submit to an opposing argument is all about group identity and has nothing to do with an objective understanding of the issues.
Same, and thanks for offering "sectarianism" as an alternative that retains the intended connotations without perpetuating the unintended ones.
@@Rolaran , he also used "factionalism" later on, which may be more generally understandable to people.
A thief thinks everyone steals!
"if you want a strong female character, just write one."
*writes strong female character*
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For real though, the fit they're currently throwing over -the last of us part 2- is like... over writing a strong female character.
Mann Shorts is throwing a fit?
But yeah I agree with the general outrage over Abby. I hate her, don't get me wrong, but the outrage is stupid.
my problem with TloU part 2 is more in gameplay-story divide and some of the HOWs not so much the WHATs (and the fact that it drags on in places to me).
The Culture Warriors don't really care about characters. Their fight is against the concept of representation, and ultimately minorities themselves - the outrage about video game boobs is just a way to couch their bigotry in fandom, to make them look like defenders of video games against undue influence.
@@antaresmaelstrom5365 Didn't say manshorts was. but that idea that this is really about revisionism of previous works when they really just dont like women.
Check out the Critical Drinker's review of The Last of Us Part 2 - he does a great job picking it apart while praising its good points and trashing it's bad points.
@@hacksignify I don't even necessarily think it is disliking women so much as the new protagonist that is replacing the old protagonist being a woman replacing a man. Especially in the case of TloU2 where the replacement is violent and happens in-game.
I think it is (in this specific case) a matter of having identified with the old protagonist and been made to feel 'badass' but now a female character comes along who not only brutally defeats and eliminates the person they identified it, but does so in a sequence that portrays the previous protagonist as weak (no big fight where he first takes out a multitude of enemies etc).
So they take from that an implied message of 'previous protagonist was 'weak and/as shit' and therefore so are you, here now play this new and improved version that is significantly harder for you to identify with or represents someone distinct from what you would aspire to be".
Not saying that message is actually intended but it is very easy to come to that conclusion if your mindset is 'they are forcing diversity into my happy place'.
It's just a reddit "nice guy" "enlightening" the common pleb with his all mighty centrism, nothing new under the sun
he even looks like a redditor
I love that Mann Shorts brands itself as this "centrist voice of reason" and then in the "Liberal D&D" sketch they literally stare into the camera and give everyone a hard right-wing monologue
12:56 "If you want a strong female character, write one" and then they went all crazy about Rey.
I've come to realise that when conservatives say "strong female character", they mean "female protagonists of action or horror movies that came out before I was old enough to form garbage political opinions, like Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley". 'Cause anyone after that is a Mary Sue.
@@Phlebas I am left-wing, but I do see their point on this - not always, because I'm aware some people are like "this character isn't a cishet white man! Pandering! PANDERERS!", but some people have good points.
It seems too often that female characters are "Mary Sues" because producers don't want to show women as weak or anything, stunting options. Honestly, as someone who reads a lot, some of my favourite protagonists are women, but almost none have been on the big screen.
This is coming from a cis white dude that's... a backwards tomboy, I guess.
@@azuregriffin1116 I kind of agree with ya but sadly... The chuds just want to use whatever they can to be sexist. Can't even judge a movie for its writing anymore without them freaking out and making it way more political than it really is. I'd like to leave a fair review for last of us 2 on metacritic but what's the point? They fucked it all up lol.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Skulduggery Pleasant is arguably my favourite example, where the protagonist is a girl but the series is named after her eccentric reanimated skeleton mentor. It's a book for slightly older kids than Harry Potter, and I think I'll re-read them soon. I can never forget the lines (something to the effect of):
"I hear whistling. The Girl from Ipanema...?"
"Can't be. How does he whistle without lips?"
"He talks, doesn't he?"
Or the best line from any combat ever:
He bravely blocked the punch with his nose.
@@azuregriffin1116 Well said. Lol this is nice. That I can come here and talk about the entertainment world without too many alt right chuds yelling SJW this and CUCK that lol. Not that many spaced on the internet that allow for a reasonable discussion. So I thank you Azure!
Pleasant ay? I'll have to check it out : )
Not going to lie the comedy of this comedy show was hard to watch. Like I don't enjoy calling something "cringy" but....well let's just say I rediscovered some emo bands I listened to in high school and I didn't cringe as hard at all of those music videos put together.
Ouch
"Do you think Mussolini went around calling everyone fascist?"
Lmao
Well if he killed everyone around himwgp wasn't then I guess
Didn't Mussolini go around saying that he is Italian Fascism, and that everyone should be fascists, i.e. want to be like him?
No, but he did say Spaghetti like "Pasketti" lol
fascism is when censorship, and censorship is when someone says ugly word to a person they dislike. therefore, fascism is when you call other people fascist.
Socialism is when the government does things.
Subtracting from another roll and adding to your own once per day ... sounds like a pretty interesting mechanic that a smart party could leverage to do some ridiculous shit. Like, the barbarian has advantage and +13 to hit and he's gonna hit by miles, so the rogue takes some of that to-hit bonus and then they BOTH hit. Because it turns out sharing when you've got more than you need benefits everybody. They wrote a script where they tried to create a ridiculous ability making fun of wealth redistribution that's actually a really strong argument for wealth redistribution lmao.
Consciously getting lost in the weeds here, but wouldn't you want to prioritize the rogue's roll most of the time? Since they're likely to do more damage, I mean. And isn't that what capitalism does? The rogues being the Wall Street guys and the damage being their capital accumulation? I think the core issues are 1) what we prioritize, and 2) who makes that decision.
A barbarian will always outdamage a rogue, especially since a good number of foes are immune to crits.
Ah f...thats 3.5 logic. Nvm
@@Disentropic1 ... they both hit. That's the point. Barbarians have extremely easy access to advantage (which is effectively +5ish to the hitmod) so a friend could siphon a bunch off and then everybody hits.
@@polymphus Yeah I don't think that's how the math works. It may be unlikely for either to miss, but that doesn't mean much mathematically. The optimal choice is probably to prioritize one or the other. There's a true scarcity of to-hit mod.
are you implying we should help those in need in order to benefit the society as a whole? WHAT A SOY BOY
Ugh, these sketches make me cringe. They make it seem like they're above everyone else because they don't think anyone on either side is right, so they must be because they're smarter and therefore, more correct than anyone else.
Reminds me of that one image of the wojak sitting in a chair of his own brain
"Every group of friends has a jerk. If you can't find the asshole in your group of friends, you're the asshole."
"Do you think Mussolini went around calling everyone facist" I cried from laughter.
"What is and is not neutral is itself contested."
This is a really good line to sum up the whole argument of centrism. You can't ever truly be unbiased or centrist, because your idea of centre is immediately telling of what you truly believe.
7:00 Also, did they just completely forget about the Divination ability where you can give your dice rolls to other players? “Oh man wouldn’t it be silly if this is how DND worked?” The mechanic you’re describing is literally in the game.
Nolan Jacobs I've literally never played 5e before and even *I* remember this!
They wanted to have a leftist there but no leftist would go because they are against platforming fascists
Nah, that's the same group they always have.
Unless you're Peter Coffin lol
Sure we would.. It comes with a lever, and a trap door. Oh, and a neat neck tie. lol
@@Grrranola no Peter Coffin chickened out and pull out. Now some shitty lib took his place.
Because, as we all know, showing up somewhere that was already going to platform a fascist, particularly to contest or voice opposition to said fascist, IS platforming a fascist. That's why we need to cancel antifa: they keep showing up to counterprotest fascists, and by doing so they are platforming fascists!
“I ruin DMs games for fun”
I see you. And yes, I did just add 100 hp to that dragon because I can. ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
Just get an NPC to roofy the troublemaker, make them sit out the game for awhile...
@@dunningdunning4711 Why do you hate fun?
@@Piterdeveirs333 lol I really don't mind people going off the beaten path and abandoning the campaign. If, however, they try to take over and control the entire game, not giving other players a chance to play or have any fun, then an NPC might just reward them with a spiked mead.
I think you forgot to add zero there
@@dunningdunning4711 The better tactic is to see them hoist by their own petard, not just a straightforward timeout.
I do want to just say the "Repeat catchphrases until they stick!" bit made me laugh. That's the only funny line in the entire video though. Also both these groups need a better DM.
I know, right? What a railroader!
They do , the railroading plus a DMPc, and a surprising lack of DnD. I like to think after this both parties found each other sharing horror stories about the same so called DM and stared playing together. It doesn't last long but evreyone consider it much fun than the DM so called campaign. So in way the DM did succeed in trying to conservaties and liberals to agree on one thing that no D&D is better than bad D&D and bad D&D is better than what ever it is that the DM in that skit considers D&D.