Palladium recovery from 1.7kg ceramic capacitors (MLCCs)
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Smelting 1.7kg ceramic capacitors (MLCCs) using lead and silver as collector metals, followed by cupellation, silver - palladium separation and palladium melting.
For those who watched this hour long video to not be told the value of these efforts, it's worth about $3000 usd.
My eternal question is, & I've asked it many times, in many places, how do you identify resin dipped capacitors that contain palladium? I can identify resin dipped tantalum capacitors, but no one answers how you identify the RD capacitors that contain palladium.
@@mareecathie2476 no specific way other than knowing your capacitors by look alone.
I usually take a sample of say 10 pieces, weigh them, incinerate, crush, and process to get yield, then add a picture with yield data to my cheat sheet at home. That way I can go after specific grades and save time in the long run.
@@redbaronrefining5322 Thank you so much for your answer, RB. Sort of sticks a hole in my grand plan :-) I scrap a lot of circuit boards & just sell the chips as I'm not set up to refine. I was hoping I could do the same with them. Thank you, again.
@@mareecathie2476 I do toll refines if you ever want to save some samples, and get yields :)
My God that's a lot of work and to work with those acids ? Not me. Lol
Wow what a process respect to the creator for a great video. Also I like your comments! Some of them had me cracking up!
Your knowledge will be invaluable in a few years from now the way the world is going...
Knowledge got no expiry bro its forever 💯
That was a serious amount of propane burned during this video. Awesome video and thank you for showing each step of the process you used.
Actually is quite economical
@@OwlTech333 Economic or not, that was an hour long video, cut and condensed. Those torches were blowin the whole time. All I was saying was that the gas was flowin the entire video.
wow this is absolutely fantastic..I'd love to be able to do this.fair play to you.amazing stuff
Thank you for adding Persian subtitles to the movies
Happy you got rid of the open trash fire to smelt!
شكرا جزيلا استاذنا المبدع... حفظك الرب
After boiling in citric acid to remove excess borax🤔...like a great book,i learn somthing i missed every viewing...thank you😊
Hello and thank you, I would like to add to my experience with your experience, with explanations and small practical tips, thank you❤
Great video....still watching actually.
Right now you're dissolving the Ag-PD alloy in HNO3.
Thank you!
To remove the final led from the palladium, you should add some sulfuric acid after you denox the solution and look for precipitation of lead sulfate. Add more sulfuric acid until there is no more precipitate. That should solve the lead problem for you.
The pink crystals in the filter looked like lead chloride to me, the color was probably from something else included in the white needle formed crystals.
Hi Göran! I don't think there's any lead left in the button or at least there shouldn't be since I took three 3 steps to eliminate it before precipitating the palladium:
1st step was the cupellation itself,
2nd step was chlorination (any lead should have precipitated with the silver as the corresponding chlorides from the chilled solution) and the
3rd step was the de-NOxing with sulphamic acid which converts the free nitric acid to sulphuric in situ thus precipitating any lead that made it this far as lead sulphate.
With the above said I'm more inclined to think that the XRF gun needs calibration... not sure
As for the pink crystals I think it's Vauquelin's Salt ([Pd(NH3)4PdCl4] Lou and freechemist mentioned it on GRF goldrefiningforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=9023#p86042) but again not sure...
@@OwlTech333 Your final XRF reading shows 5.8% Pb. It's a bit much just to come from a badly calibrated XRF.
As you say, a chilled chloride solution should precipitate most of the lead and the rest could easily be taken care of by the conversion of sulfamic acid turning into sulfuric acid. But lead chloride takes a while to precipitate, that's why it can form quite long and thin crystals.
I suspect that you got so much lead nitrate that the denoxing of nitric acid didn't produce enough sulfuric acid to remove all the lead in that step. But that's just a theory of mine.
Putting a few drops of sulfuric into a solution is a cheap and instant way to verify if you have lead in solution or not. And for the few times you got lead it alerts you for a problem that might cost you a lot later on.
But if you don't think you have any lead in your final button then you can just disregard all that I wrote. :-)
I've never seen Vauquelin's salt as crystals, only read about it in articles and on GRF. I don't know if it forms thin crystals just as lead chloride does. If you still have that filter paper a quick XRF should tell you if it is lead or palladium.
Thanks for sharing that video. I have half a kilo of MLCC:s to process in the summer. But I'll probably go the wet chemistry way after incineration. It's worked well for me before.
@@goranaxelsson1409 Thanks! I'll give it a go next time!
@@OwlTech333 I'll wait for the next video. :-)
another excellent job my friend.keep them coming
Thank you buddy!
That's 3900$ worth of palladium for todays prices.
Well done :)
Автору респект!!! Хороший выход!!! За труды лайк!!!!!
Спасибо!
Отличная работа!!!!!!!
Спасибо!
11:17 in the pan where you stir the nitric acid solution you must place a base 1 cm of silicon oxide and pay it with aluminous and activator the rest to cover you will use the same type of silicate that is used for pavement painting is cover the reflective silicate is nitro pearls if silicon and pure silicate this will affirm the heat and distribute it amogenous throughout the pilex base
In English please. 🤣🤗🤗
Wish I was as smart as you 😒
@@jazzdein1 alguna vez os preocupéis en averiguar si es mi idioma o mandé chat traducido tu comentario es basura y si hay algo ilógico en el tratamiento lo digo yo trabajé en I+D Técnico químico de recuperación de metales preciosos . Primero esas técnicas pierden más de 30g de oro al precio variable de 50€ por gramo la recuperación por fuego es basura y hay un pérdida de 500.000€ en oro mensual yo me dedicaba a procesar los desechos para decir de cuánto dinero total perdían en metales preciosos
@@jazzdein1 it's funny that they answer yes to translate
@@alquimiavsmetalica5250 I dont follow, the guy who said "in English please!" Or something that went over my head?
It was quite laborious but it paid off.
You pay for the drinks my master.
You are king of the working
Thank you!
39:11 the base does not scratch piles jewelry trick when it is at room temperature we will add isopropyl alcohol this will detach the metal from the glass creating a mass to which we will add a powder We will add a similar bolomen of liquid borax, this amalgam will prevent metal from being lost during the fusion and I recommend using a granite crucible with Tesla fusion or induction fusion.
I came for the metal but I BE HERE FOR THE RAVE!!!!
Fabulous, will make me work a little more gathering caps. Ty
Good luck!
Excellent yield..
How to Identify Capacitors Containing Palladium?
I’ve seen some poor videos but this takes the crown
Yes in the land of the blind the cockeyed bastard wears the crown
thís ís a rare video , good job .good teacher
Thank you! 😃
It's like watching a miniature sun.
Hi John. Great video
Please stay safe and healthy and take care of yourself and your family members. To all members also. Talk to you later my friend. ☺☺☺😇😇😇
Thank you. Cool. ☺☺☺😣😇😇
Огромная работа. Благодарочка.
Спасибо!
Dear teacher, I hope your heart is happy and your face is smiling. I was asking you to make a video about the recycling of palladium using the Dimethyglio Oxime method with Farsi subtitles. Thank you.❤❤❤❤
I got like close to 3 kilo of these resin dipped ceramic capacitors mostly blue and brown ones with a few mixed odd colors. This votes well to a very good yield when I get the materials to process them. One is always hoping anyway been collecting and saving a long time now. I also have over 2 kilo of ic chips saved up that should be good also.
Sounds promising!
Thank you excellent video
Thanks for watching
I'd like to know what happened to the silver. And what the reactions were at each stage. Thx.
The silver chloride was melted with NaOH to silver metal
Quero aprender a estrair opaladio eoutros mettais
Thanks for that. I didn't like the music in the background. It would have been better without it.❤️
What a great yield. Good stuff mate 👌
Thanks pal!
That dust freaked me out😮😲..platinosis..
dust is from the clay material not from platinum salt so you can't get platinosis from it
It is easier to crack them open as if it walnut, that way it is way less useless material for start.
Good information, thanks 😊🙏
specialist
verry nice
You got different music thank you
Wait, I thought it was only the blue and yellow capacitors that had palladium in them....?
Not at all, there are many others containing Ag, Pd and/or Pt
@@OwlTech333 is platinum in all ceramic capacitors.
Where are these particular capacitors found? Great Video!
ruclips.net/video/jasaey1FZjQ/видео.html
Find yourself a bunch of old circuit boards. Higher end stuff from the 90's and earlier had lots of them.
Jun 25 just ran across this have not seen any thing from you in it seems like a year!
6 months to be exact, been busy with side works. I've prepared a lot of videos though
Took some big chances there, adding the silver contacts from relays that could have contained selenium could have really cause some problems. Also doing pallium group metals is dangerous.
As you can get pantinosis and that will be fatal.
Please go on.
I'm thinking about doing this.
What should I look out for?
So dont melt metals together, check.
Do not get fiberglass in molten, check
Always have ventilation, check
A mask?
Clothing?
Stay away from?
Anything helps thx
Saya selalu menyimak. nice job
Thanks!
Esih campur perak itu Gan.. makanya ga mulus..
Excelente.
Sensacional.Parabéns❤
Thank you!
@@OwlTech333 posso usar o bicarbonato de sódio no lugar do carbonato de sódio?
Yes
Thanks super teacher
Thanks
I love watching your videos. I would appreciate it if you make a video on tin mine recovery from electronic cards. I wish you many successful days in your life, greetings from Turkey.
Excellent
Thanks
Hi, can i use sodium formate instead of using formic acid and sodium carbonate separately??
Yes, even better
Nice job ! How many silver at the end of the process ?
_"...and remember kids, DON'T TRY THIS @ HOME!"_ ~Fire Marshall Bill
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How much did you sold it?
47 grams of pd were obtained from 1.7kg of mlccs?
47g was the weight of the button which was 91% Pd therefore 47x0.91=42.77g Pd from 1.7kg MLCCs
Your torch tip that hot can pop and all palladium lost instantly. care full
noted
Грамотно сделанное купелирование.
Спасибо!
Купелірування зі свенцем на паладій не роблять це помилка треба робити тільки з сріблом і буру кідати не можна тільки сода тоді гарний результат буде
@@andreathebest1986 Я з 78 року цей варіант знаю а ти напевно тоді ще не народився. Пошукай в Гоглі ось по цій назві
Гидрометаллургический способ отделения золота, серебра, платины и палладия из содержащего их материала с одновременным их обогащением, преимущественно из сплава "доре"
також пошукай що таке сплав Доре на основі свинцю
@@radiocomponent не знаю як ви але головна проблема людини що вона все знає а насправді це ілюзія знань. купеляція проводиться не правильно купель з порт цемента це поганий варіант потрібно гріти купель а не сам сплав і подавати окислювач на сам сплав тобто кіслород тоді і метали бистро окисляютьса такщо з 78 року ви нічого не навчилися
@@andreathebest1986 заранее извиняюсь, если вдруг чем обижу, но диванных экспертов как всегда хватает 😁 цемент хуже чем заводская капель с магнезитового порошка, согласен, а вот насколько хуже в процентах например наверное ты знаешь, как знаешь наверное и как сделать магнезитовые тигли на коленке ))) но есть ещё более лучший вариант, предки например делали тигли из золы костей животных 😉 может лучше коров разводить что бы иметь суперклассные тигли... А про иллюзию полностью согласен, знать и уметь разные вещи, автору респект за УМЕНИЕ, знания тут недостаточно будет.
Original, Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Very good
I hope you come back. ☺☺☺😇😇😇
I never left :)
Why do you need to put silver in? Banging tune.
This particular capacitors contain pd and ag adding more ag lowers pd's melting point even further
Close listening.... Steady... 👍👍
You don't need to show EVERYTHING...editing makes a huge difference. If you took away all the useless footage, this video would be 5 minutes long.
what's useless and what's not is highly subjective, there are viewers blaming me for not showing enough
Fast forward.
I appreciate the inclusion of everything's he's shown in this video. Opinions of useless/ useful footage are exactly as he states: subjective. I absolutely appreciate him taking the time, effort, and everything else he had to sacrifice in order to post this informative video. @OwlTech: Thank you for your video! I learn better by seeing and hearing than reading alone, and I'm certain that I would have very limited knowledge on how to process precious metals from electronics without your help. Knowledge is power, and I thank you for sharing.
Thank you for your heart touching comment! Really appreciate it!
Sağol kardeşim çok çok çok teşeķürlér ediyorum size birşey sormak istiyorum bu palladyumu pilastikleri erintikten sonra ateşte bunun tozunu ayırdan sonra nittrik asitdeni direk potada eritsek olmazmı sağol canım kardeşim kolay gelsin sana teşekürler
Plastik derken
Hy how are you brother your videos is very important to me
Hi! Very well, thanks for asking and watching!
What happens with the lead oxide vapor? I would imagine that it will affect health very negative after some time of exposure. How can u make sure to not be slowly poisoned by the lead fumes. Thank you. I would appreciate an answer! Kind regards🖐️
Simple: Wear a mask. Take a shower when finished and don't forget to wash your clothes.
I would suggest making a vent hood with a high cfm volume for drawing away the fumes into some sort of exterior filter box outside the building you’re doing this in.
PPE, such as painters respirator, rubber smock, full face shield and nitrile gloves are a must in any caustic process.
It is very good
Thanks
مرحبا اخي كم المده التي احتاجها البلاديوم الترسيب بكربونات الصوديوم مع الغليان عمل رائع تستحق التقدير والاحترام
15min
Is it possible to specify the names and quantities of the materials used?
He did in the video.
What was the pink looking residue from the nitric hcl filtration? Any idea
Lead chloride someone suggested... I thought it was Vauquelin's salt...
at $50.32 a gram thats a nice cup of coffee for a days work :) hit it with a owl tech stamp and sell it for 3.1k
Great idea!
What metals are in ceramic "disc" capacitors? I've got over 5 pounds of them, would you process them?
Silver only IMHO it's not worth the effort
I know this reply was from a while back but have you watch mount baker monument metals? You may want to check out how he incinerates with a cone mold the cupels to extracts the base.
He may be interested in the 5lb of capacitor you have.
Респект 🔥🔨😎👍🚩📽️🌵💰🌐💥
Wow, Zirconium would of never guessed that unless if these came from boards used for nuclear power but even than thats a stretch
No, I guess it was picked from the crucible
@@OwlTech333 very possible, I only know about boards for nuclear because I bought some. I read up on what they used in the componets and decided to resell, a bunch of metals I have no clue to process once mixed with Precious Metals. Better to be safe than dead.
Awesome video as usual! How much silver was added and then reclaimed?
about 200g contact points, which is about 160g Ag
Shell i use HF+ Nitric to dissolve the dore directly without cupulation
Don't!
Good sir
Thank you!
I might of missed it but how much is it worth.??
43.4g Pd x $56.3(today's spot price) = $2445
Palladium number one Russie 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺
ARE THEY BUYING BACK CERAMIC CAPITATORS CONTAINING PALLADIUM?..HOW MUCH DO YOU NEED TO SELL BACK?..
nice video
Thank you!
This is very interesting, I was surprised to see that the ceramic pods are a manilla colour, as I thought Paladium was in the Turquoise pods?..
Hi Dude doing good..... Put video about cupel making and then about that material .... More expecting pls....
I did already ruclips.net/video/MwDfUxgNxeA/видео.html
Portland cement mean .....is it concrete cement....?
@@stsuresh2010 yes the one you use to make concrete
How much silver did you add?
190g silver contacts x 0.835 or that's about 160g pure silver
Hi my friend. Can you use natric aside directly after burn and granid. Thanks
I suppose so, yes
Hello, if I burn the PCB boards withhout separation all the parts on it, is possible use the cupellation process? and if yes can I get all the precious metals like Au, Ag, Pt, Pd, Ta, and others? thank you for your answer
ruclips.net/video/Ttv-qLxTs90/видео.html
@@OwlTech333 thank you
If palladium is mixed with iron, what is the best way to get rid of iron?
What's the ratio?
Very cool process. Is it possible to get higher purity or at least remove the lead? I know you can't remove the platinum, but would a second refining be worth the effort?
I don't think there's any lead left, more to do with the XRF gun calibration IMHO
@@OwlTech333 So is the xrf gun not all that useful to determine precise composition of alloys?
useful but you can not solely rely on it
why not use the chemical method, it is easy and cheaper
because this method is easier and cheaper
Amazing
How long it took to processing for all ?
Tnx
A day's work in total
About $3500 for a days work?
Wouldnt it be more easier to pour the calcined ground ash into aqua reqia then wash it few times and boil off the water or add some chemicals to precipitate palladium ?
I find this way easier
Gostei eu só deixava guardado os componentes de ouro e prata guardado em garrafas.
Nice
Thanks
Are them the ceramic tiles at power sub stations, that divide the metal disc things. Sorry my electrical engineering knowledge is a little lacking.
Parabéns 👏👏👏👏
excelant
better to watch on 1.5 speed - music and text to speech sounds better also faster
I'll give it try