Interesting how different countries around the world have very different electrical systems, the US uses an impedance controllered ground return, this can make your earthing system quite nosiy, but it makes for a safe system to reduce the current flow during earth faults, reducing the risk of electric shock. The majority of Europe uses a similar system but at 230V. In the UK we do not have impedence restricted ground returns, we have direct connections to the distrbution transformers, meaning a high fault current, so faults clear much more quickly, we control the earth residual voltage using Restidual Circuit Devices, limiting earth faults to 30mA, which do not imped the ground return, so we get little to no noise on the earth. So no need for these in the UK or other countries that have direct return non-impedance systems. I hope this helps 😀 However, be very careful with adding additional grounds to these impedance controlled systems, as you can change the way the systems deals with faults and can cause danger from stray voltages. these types of ground control systems works very well, but they must be installed correctly to avoid danger during faults.
I can't speak to the Puritan gear but I've hooked up every component in my system to Entreq grounding boxes and I'm very happy. A distinct improvement in coherence, tonal subtlety and tonal weight. Easy to pull the cables out in about 20 seconds, listen again, and hear how badly the sound loses its mojo.
Although I can not speak for the Puritan system itself, I had a whole home generator and auto-transfer sub-panel installed last year. At the same time, I asked the electricians to also install a whole house lightning arrestor to the panel. That uses a double 20-amp breaker, and also had a dedicated ground wire and rod. The install of the Generator and sub-panel also required a ground rod. I asked if they had to be separate rods, and they said they didn't, but they still installed separate, but didn't charge any more. I didn't think too much about it, but I did realize that after the install, the audio hi-fi system was better. Cleaner, clarity and better impact. I believe the various grounding aspects are what made the improvements.
It's not ok to have two or more separate ground points (rods). It's even against the electrical code. The reason is you can have an electrical current between the two ground rods as they cannot have the same impedance (the places where you put the rods are not of equal properties...some dirt has less humidity than others). The definition of electrical current is actually a difference in potential between two points!
I thought the more rods the better. As long as bonding is done correctly and the rods connected to each other. The codes says minimum of two rods and minimum of 6 ft apart. He has 3 but I don’t think he connected the third laterally into the existing ground grid he has created.
Do you feel the GroundMaster CITY and Ultimate power cable need burn in? Just upgraded my PSM 156 with both, and my system has improved in many ways, but it is slightly more piercing and a little less warm. Hoping a little smoothness and warmth returns.
Really interesting. I have to say I am a little confused though. I get the copper rod install and all that. Is the Routemaster absolutely needed? It seems that the Routemaster is basically acting as a hub for connections to the electronics. Theoretically, can one connect the green groundwire on the Groundmaster to a crafted star ground hub (that I could easily create myself various ways) and then run wires from the star ground to the chassis or unused RCA jacks on my equipment and achieve the same result as the Routemaster?
Be very careful when changing or adding to an electrical ground/earth system, please seek expert advice, adding an earth rod may seem straight forward, however, different electrical systems could be impacted negatively and your installation could become unsafe due to unforeseen stray voltages due to fault conditions and transient events, earths is safe when connected correctly and very dangerous when not !
All who really want to win at this game should read the "solidly grounded" writings by Henry W. Ott, Bill Whitlock, Neil Muncy, Ralph Morrison, et al. The NEC (in the USA) is an excellent resource, especially if you have any interest in the safety of you and yours. Happy listening!
Halo , sir can i ask this tweak earth grounding for hifi sound system , do this effect the equipment when lighting strike will the ground current reverse back to the system and where do you plug at the equipment ? Kindly share some info ! Tq
Correction (sorry): Connections made to the Grounding must be made without using the soldering process, due to the problem of future corrosion at thosepoints. The appropriate procedure is to crimp. Never solder.
Have you tried the REL sub with the little guys?. Space like - not everyone can have two or four. BOBs. One or two RELsubs that many have. Seems logical. Appreciate your feed back.
A grounding copper sheathed spike in the ground takes any lighting strike on your house to ground if linked to the house electrical system. Save your house and everything inside. TV antennas should be grounded too. All by qualified electricians
Question: I get grounding the PSM156 through the Ground Master, however why was a 2nd one required to do so (and in turn then the 2nd wire run)? Why couldn't this all be accomplished using only one Ground Master? Thank you.
I didn't notice you using de-ox, a de-oxidation grease that aids conduction, but more importantly decreases the oxidation of copper. I do industrial work, but I believe that even in homes, you are supposed to use de-ox unless the wires state that they don't require it. Even if you used this newer cable, the grounding rod and connector probably should coated. Otherwise great information. Thanks!
That's the way to get a real & you're best ever Earth / ground reference point. A long copper rod with the best interface to the thickest copper wire of a low AWG number, the type your electric cooker hangs off, better 2lines in parallel to half ghe wire resistsnce. My father was a radio Ham & spoke to folk worldwide, he had a 6'ish foot copper rod hammered into the ground & earthed to his radio gear to improve transmitting & recieving by lessen extraneous noises in both modes, I won't pretend to know how or why it helped in his hobby, but I know how it improves the noise-floor of my lowest output M.C. (0.12'mv) phono csrtridges & tube phono stage & pre'amp. The electrical earth of the house wiring is inferior & causes a mild hum on M.C. that all but disappearsunless you whack the pre's vollume up & beyond 'normal' while the tonearm is cued up. Even a radiator bare metal connection beats my (I bet others too) earth line on house wiring.
A separate grounding rod will be safe, if installed properly. However, using the existing grounding rod is also an option, as you can clamp another lead connector to it to then run to your system directly. If the current clamp is at the very end of the rod, and close to the ground, you may need to dig a bit to expose enough rod to slide on the second clamp, but that would be fine too. The clamps can be above or below ground.
Be careful not to interfere with your main house earth return, as I have explained in an earlier comment, seek expert advice, as the ground return can be a source of danger during fault or transient conditions, these types of power frequency noise reduction systems need to be correctly integrated into the existing ground connections.
Dude this is basic electrical stuff. Grounding is 101 when it comes to audio, its not like he's pushing graphite diamond zinc isolating air frequency purifier blocks that cost $15K a piece and 'totally open up the top end.' Its freaking grounding, less resistance to ground, cleaner electronics. Its not that complicated.
Still don't get it. Assuming many (also expensive) HiFi gears are _that_ sensitive to (that) _bad_ electricity and grounding in the US... you would actually _never_ listen to real HiFi without these... black boxes, right...? You would just listen to an e.g. 50k audio gear humming and giving noise. This doesn't make sense. Now, take the same audio gear to e.g. Western Europe and plug it into a different/proper electricity network there. Would it produce the same sound distortion...? If you hear such huge differences with and without these boxes, then your electrical power or your audio gear must be _really_ bad, i.e. being of really bad quality. And instead of solving the issue on one of the two sides you recommend (advertise) adding these over-priced magic boxes, promising a next level of experience. There's a gigantic black hole in this logic 😉. For sure, only if these boxes would actually be of any benefit for the consumer 😉. But... I remember a long forgotten British TV spot. It ends with "Advertising - the right to choose" 😉
T-weak! That is. Fix your house electrics first, properly. Fix the root instead of patching tweeks in with tweek gear stuff. Ground, right? Ground is root, root is your house-electrics. Once that is fixed and you still have to burn cash or create tube-clicks buy whatever expensive tweek gear you want. Ridiculous.
Interesting how different countries around the world have very different electrical systems, the US uses an impedance controllered ground return, this can make your earthing system quite nosiy, but it makes for a safe system to reduce the current flow during earth faults, reducing the risk of electric shock. The majority of Europe uses a similar system but at 230V. In the UK we do not have impedence restricted ground returns, we have direct connections to the distrbution transformers, meaning a high fault current, so faults clear much more quickly, we control the earth residual voltage using Restidual Circuit Devices, limiting earth faults to 30mA, which do not imped the ground return, so we get little to no noise on the earth. So no need for these in the UK or other countries that have direct return non-impedance systems. I hope this helps 😀 However, be very careful with adding additional grounds to these impedance controlled systems, as you can change the way the systems deals with faults and can cause danger from stray voltages. these types of ground control systems works very well, but they must be installed correctly to avoid danger during faults.
Great info! Thanks!
Interesting that Puritan is indeed British 😊
Thanks 😊 for the information ℹ️
I can't speak to the Puritan gear but I've hooked up every component in my system to Entreq grounding boxes and I'm very happy. A distinct improvement in coherence, tonal subtlety and tonal weight. Easy to pull the cables out in about 20 seconds, listen again, and hear how badly the sound loses its mojo.
Although I can not speak for the Puritan system itself, I had a whole home generator and auto-transfer sub-panel installed last year. At the same time, I asked the electricians to also install a whole house lightning arrestor to the panel. That uses a double 20-amp breaker, and also had a dedicated ground wire and rod. The install of the Generator and sub-panel also required a ground rod. I asked if they had to be separate rods, and they said they didn't, but they still installed separate, but didn't charge any more. I didn't think too much about it, but I did realize that after the install, the audio hi-fi system was better. Cleaner, clarity and better impact. I believe the various grounding aspects are what made the improvements.
Do you still use this system sir?
It's not ok to have two or more separate ground points (rods). It's even against the electrical code. The reason is you can have an electrical current between the two ground rods as they cannot have the same impedance (the places where you put the rods are not of equal properties...some dirt has less humidity than others). The definition of electrical current is actually a difference in potential between two points!
I thought the more rods the better. As long as bonding is done correctly and the rods connected to each other. The codes says minimum of two rods and minimum of 6 ft apart. He has 3 but I don’t think he connected the third laterally into the existing ground grid he has created.
Now you have to repeat all your reviews! 😉
Do you feel the GroundMaster CITY and Ultimate power cable need burn in?
Just upgraded my PSM 156 with both, and my system has improved in many ways, but it is slightly more piercing and a little less warm. Hoping a little smoothness and warmth returns.
Oldest trick in the book, emphasis on “trick”.
Really interesting. I have to say I am a little confused though. I get the copper rod install and all that. Is the Routemaster absolutely needed? It seems that the Routemaster is basically acting as a hub for connections to the electronics. Theoretically, can one connect the green groundwire on the Groundmaster to a crafted star ground hub (that I could easily create myself various ways) and then run wires from the star ground to the chassis or unused RCA jacks on my equipment and achieve the same result as the Routemaster?
You could hook a wire to - of the RCA and to earth of a plug on the other side
Hey, I know you.. LOL
Be very careful when changing or adding to an electrical ground/earth system, please seek expert advice, adding an earth rod may seem straight forward, however, different electrical systems could be impacted negatively and your installation could become unsafe due to unforeseen stray voltages due to fault conditions and transient events, earths is safe when connected correctly and very dangerous when not !
All who really want to win at this game should read the "solidly grounded" writings by Henry W. Ott, Bill Whitlock, Neil Muncy, Ralph Morrison, et al. The NEC (in the USA) is an excellent resource, especially if you have any interest in the safety of you and yours. Happy listening!
What camera do you use, its incredible.
Halo , sir can i ask this tweak earth grounding for hifi sound system , do this effect the equipment when lighting strike will the ground current reverse back to the system and where do you plug at the equipment ? Kindly share some info ! Tq
Halo , sir.! can share how to put grounding wire from where to hifi stuffs ? tq
Hilo, you mae Cher to put wire to stoufs. Tank you.
Have you thought about putting a little solder on the ends of those copper wires after you twist them, might give an even better connection?
Correction (sorry):
Connections made to the Grounding must be made without using the soldering process, due to the problem of future corrosion at thosepoints. The appropriate procedure is to crimp. Never solder.
But guys our homes already have grounds do they not? I certainly have, I installed it myself. All the componentr run to ground...
I probably missed something, but why did you have to use two Groundmaster boxes when you only have one rod?
you know why .
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@@Paul-dn7cb No, Imma need how first, thxs!
Have you tried the REL sub with the little guys?. Space like - not everyone can have two or four. BOBs. One or two RELsubs that many have. Seems logical. Appreciate your feed back.
A grounding copper sheathed spike in the ground takes any lighting strike on your house to ground if linked to the house electrical system. Save your house and everything inside. TV antennas should be grounded too. All by qualified electricians
Did you try the Telos?
Question: I get grounding the PSM156 through the Ground Master, however why was a 2nd one required to do so (and in turn then the 2nd wire run)? Why couldn't this all be accomplished using only one Ground Master? Thank you.
2 cables. 1/2 the resistance. 2 paths to return to ground.
However simply uping the gauge of the wire does that... and so my question still stands as to - Why use the two Ground Masters.
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I didn't notice you using de-ox, a de-oxidation grease that aids conduction, but more importantly decreases the oxidation of copper. I do industrial work, but I believe that even in homes, you are supposed to use de-ox unless the wires state that they don't require it. Even if you used this newer cable, the grounding rod and connector probably should coated. Otherwise great information. Thanks!
But why is it so hard to buy this product, I can’t find any pricing on it
Look up Jaguar audio I believe the guy sells Puritan products
I can not find a way to purchase these, any help would be appreciated. Thank you 🤓
Look up Jaguar audio I'm pretty sure he sells Puritan products
This is better than Entreq?
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Did you happen to try just the city by itself?
You need your own Transformer from the Power Co. That’ll solve everything!!
Link?
Call your local power company to see if they can do this in your area .
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Did the Ground Rods Long Ago!
That's the way to get a real & you're best ever Earth / ground reference point. A long copper rod with the best interface to the thickest copper wire of a low AWG number, the type your electric cooker hangs off, better 2lines in parallel to half ghe wire resistsnce. My father was a radio Ham & spoke to folk worldwide, he had a 6'ish foot copper rod hammered into the ground & earthed to his radio gear to improve transmitting & recieving by lessen extraneous noises in both modes, I won't pretend to know how or why it helped in his hobby, but I know how it improves the noise-floor of my lowest output M.C. (0.12'mv) phono csrtridges & tube phono stage & pre'amp. The electrical earth of the house wiring is inferior & causes a mild hum on M.C. that all but disappearsunless you whack the pre's vollume up & beyond 'normal' while the tonearm is cued up. Even a radiator bare metal connection beats my (I bet others too) earth line on house wiring.
I already have a grounding rod in the ground for my house. So its safe to install another rod in the ground with the groundmaster?
A separate grounding rod will be safe, if installed properly. However, using the existing grounding rod is also an option, as you can clamp another lead connector to it to then run to your system directly. If the current clamp is at the very end of the rod, and close to the ground, you may need to dig a bit to expose enough rod to slide on the second clamp, but that would be fine too. The clamps can be above or below ground.
Be careful not to interfere with your main house earth return, as I have explained in an earlier comment, seek expert advice, as the ground return can be a source of danger during fault or transient conditions, these types of power frequency noise reduction systems need to be correctly integrated into the existing ground connections.
You should’ve had a talking Head song playing in the background while you recorded this
Not buying this crap sorry.
It works and it works VERY well.
@@jc51373 so do placebos , they work two, so does praying, same effect.
It's just a ground, how is that crap? Any electrician will tell you a dedicated ground is best.
Dude this is basic electrical stuff. Grounding is 101 when it comes to audio, its not like he's pushing graphite diamond zinc isolating air frequency purifier blocks that cost $15K a piece and 'totally open up the top end.' Its freaking grounding, less resistance to ground, cleaner electronics. Its not that complicated.
Very dangerous
You need to connect your new ground rod to your existing ground.
Regardless of the filter, your system is at a different potential .
Still don't get it. Assuming many (also expensive) HiFi gears are _that_ sensitive to (that) _bad_ electricity and grounding in the US... you would actually _never_ listen to real HiFi without these... black boxes, right...? You would just listen to an e.g. 50k audio gear humming and giving noise. This doesn't make sense. Now, take the same audio gear to e.g. Western Europe and plug it into a different/proper electricity network there. Would it produce the same sound distortion...?
If you hear such huge differences with and without these boxes, then your electrical power or your audio gear must be _really_ bad, i.e. being of really bad quality. And instead of solving the issue on one of the two sides you recommend (advertise) adding these over-priced magic boxes, promising a next level of experience.
There's a gigantic black hole in this logic 😉. For sure, only if these boxes would actually be of any benefit for the consumer 😉.
But... I remember a long forgotten British TV spot. It ends with "Advertising - the right to choose" 😉
I think that you need some grounding yourself. (Oh, the delusions of audiophiles.)
EcoFlow is better
Which product would you suggest?
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T-weak! That is. Fix your house electrics first, properly. Fix the root instead of patching tweeks in with tweek gear stuff. Ground, right? Ground is root, root is your house-electrics. Once that is fixed and you still have to burn cash or create tube-clicks buy whatever expensive tweek gear you want. Ridiculous.
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You have bad electricity sir