Phil your videos are the BEST on youtube, all realist benchmarks with meaningful content instead of £2000 cpus and £800 motherboards. this is for people here on planet earth that actually use such realistic priced machines daily.
I really enjoy my amd 7570 GDDR5! I found it for only $20 CAD and it's great for older games using windows 7 as well. My Steam and GOG games run really well. The Ghostbusters game from 2009 runs so smoothly. On emulators, it's really fast with my i5 2400. Windows XP was an excellent OS as well. I ran it on an older laptop for 4-5 years that came with Vista. XP was made for older games.
HD 7570 1gb gddr5 - i5 2400 - 8gb ram Same setup as yours, i can BARELY run apex legends but almost all of my other games like arma 3 space engine and civ6 run just fine
Glad I found you bud. I,m in the middle of just building the same rig running XP. Graphics card is next, so this vid has been a great help. Love how clear and in-depth your vids are. thank you.
I really respect the effort you put in your videos. I wish i could send you some stuff to test. But Germany to Australia is hell in terms of packaging.
I keep an old GT 730 2GB (Zotac fanless) around as a backup card. Because it's low profile and has only a 23W power draw I call it "ol' reliable". I use a GT 1030 2GB (30W) in my sff "Linux box", and a GTX 1050 Ti 4GB full sized (75W) in my Windows 10 tower. The late nights with my GT 730 playing L4D2 and CS Source, oh the memories...
i got a low profile 750ti last year. the card still holds up very well - even with recent games (although nothing high-end). quite possibly best purchase for its price.
@@lukassbeataddicts 7570 is one of the cheapest and easiest to find low profile cards. i know its not as good as a 750 ti but for retro games it does very well.
@@nekaroamemiya lol I've exchanged it a couple months back with an HD3870X2 and a GTX550Ti. I figured it wasn't a real 750 (performed like one though) but a 650Ti with a 750 bios; brand was Afox (beware).
@@KARAOTI23 hmm I've seen that one before. Yea I've heard of last gen-Ti flash to next gen regular versions before. Same thing with Radeon Rx cards. Now in my main rig is ryzen 7-3700X 32GB ram with rtx2060. Best deal I ever had. Traded a 1050ti for a 2060 before this whole price increase. People called me an idiot fit buying rtx2000 series when rtx3000 series was gonna launch.
Another gpu worth considering is the firepro v3800, it's basically a hd 5570 and can be had for super cheap on ebay, it should perform somewhere around or better than the quadro 600 and other GF108 gpus and absolutely blows any Caicos (hd 64xx/74xx/84xx) gpu out of the water. It's a good choice for those with motherboards that run pcie x8 cards at x1 speed, like a dell optiplex 360.
Lovely video. I didn't know I had one of the better cards out there! I use an i3 2100, a mini itx asus h77 board and a GT 730 in my winxp retro. Works beautifully!
The Dell OEM HD7570 1GB ddr5 shows only 800Mhz for the memory clock. It should be 1000MHz per AMD specs. Did Dell underclock their cards and should they be safe to overclock atleast to 1000Mhz? I have one in a Dell Optiplex 360 at the moment.
@@retromaniac4563 Mine overclocks to 930 at any temps and 1040 (won't let me set it higher) in a cold environment (5C ambient with ridiculously high airflow) core wont go above 725 without artifacting
Hi All, dam i missed this video release last night and just flicking through it while having a coffee at work. Nice work on the variety of cards. I have read all the comments to now, and i just need to add that the HP8200 and I5-2400 is a bit modern for a retro computer, but the beauty of these machines is that they are plentiful and cheap, also they wont really have the capacitor plague problem. I purchased one of these machines after watching Phils video almost 12 months ago, it was originally set up with fresh windows 10 and i used dos box for the older games. Since then i have reformatted the hard drive , installed Dos 6.22 on the first partition, Win XP on the second and Win 10 on the third. Obviously old dos games will run but the speed sensitive will not even doom 1 and 2 crashes as the clock speed is to fast but that is what Zdaemon is for as well as the fan made recompiled windows versions of Duke Nukem and Command and Conquer engines. Back to the point, having a modern machine that can play the older win95-XP games is a excellent proposition, my machine has the GT1030 SFF card, but for XP i just use the standard VGA drivers it is a bit of a compromise as i might as well be using the onboard video chip, but the GT1030 is great for when using Win10 When i get home i will watch it all and also listen to it. Regards George
Hi Phil, great video like always! I really enjoy the thorough analysis you do in these kinds of tests. One thing I would like to point out, which can perhaps be a topic worth exploring in the future, is that Nvidia cards usually have far less cpu utilization over OpenGL and DirectX8-11 than AMD. Although I really like AMD, their architecture definitely shines the best with newer APIs like Vulkan or DX12. But building retro gaming PCs however, Nvidia has always had the edge when it comes to removing CPU and memory bandwidth bottle-necking, since their DirectX and OpenGL implementation has always been far more efficient on software side of things. The reason for this is basically that GPU instructions are constantly checked with the CPU main thread on these older APIs. (OpenGL being even worse than DX11) This wasn't really a problem with high clocked single- or dual-core CPUs when most people were running 480p-768p, but as graphics hardware grew stronger, our screen resolutions larger, the main thread got much easier filled up with GPU-instruction checks. Especially since these low profile systems tend to have lower clocked CPUs. Because of this nvidia is usually a safer bet when creating retro systems if you want to get the most out of your CPU. Unfortunately I have no experience in this matter when it comes to Windows XP. But perhaps it's worth checking out.
Thanks for all the great feedback and tips. It made me write a dedicate page on our website for this project. It will allow me to add more cards in the future :D Here is the link: www.philscomputerlab.com/low-profile-video-cards-xp.html
I really appreciate the effort you put into these videos. The optiplex I have with an i7 3770 & Radeon 7470 gets GPU bound in most 3D games & emulators. Great for media playback though!
7570 can be had for less than 15 bucks on ebay, at least last time i checked. I use it to play War Thunder and get 75-85 fps even at 1080p! (with minimum settings, however it still looks decent)
Gt 710, 720, 730, 740 and gtx 750 + ti, all of them available in 1GB flavor, for your perfect win xp experience. 1GB dedicated video ram, 2GB sys ram and almost 1GB free adress space for anything else to be enumerated, like hdd cache, sound card ram and various other bits and pockets of adressable system storage. What would you want more?
Excellent video! Very detailed and informative. Using a Radeon HD 7470 in my retro-gaming station Small Form Factor Dell 9010. Pretty happy with it. Definitely worth the $5 I paid at a local electronics recycling outlet. For the most part it has pretty good compatibility with older games, on Windows 7.
Thanks for making this video. Just bought another Dell Optiplex 980 and this one is specifically for XP gaming. Just got tired of trying to make old XP games work on Win 10.
I have the And Radeon Hd 8570 with this same exact PC. I love my build and I am planning on buying more games in the future. I love your Hp Elite 8200 videos. They are super high quality and amazing!
You could add the HD 8570 and potentially some of the K series of Quadro cards…not 100% sure on XP driver availability for all of them but might be worth a look. 😊
You do such a good job on your comparison videos Phil. I would like to add... Best and most allround compatible for a SFF PC, I think is the GT 730. Make a note that Some of these older HP's LGA775 SFF boards, dosn't have 75W available on the PCI'E slot. So we want something that only draws about 30W. The GT 730 GDDR5. But if you are sure that the board can deliver 75W, a GTX 750(ti) LP is really good. Say welcome to a Crysis 60pfs PC !
I have a few HP Compaq Elite 6300 SFF machines that only have 25W available to the PCIe x16 slot. It's a shame, because they are quite nice little machines. The best card that I could find for it is the AMD Radeon HD 7450.
I wish you would have thrown the AMD Oland cards into this mix. The HD8570, R5 240 and R7 240 would have compared favorably with the GT630/710 and the R7 250 has similar performance to the 7750 but is pretty much guaranteed to be low-profile. I’ve also found the 250 super easy to overclock all the way, safely, with a dual-slot cooler (also easy to find on ebay).
...BUT CAN IT RUN CRYSIS?! YES, but not always smooth. And now just add the X-Fi Xtreme Gamer low profile soundcard with EAX5 & OpenAL and there you have a full-blown XP dream machine in a business form factor.
P.S. Absolutely try overclocking these cards to anybody who picks one up. (of course Phil had way more than enough to do just benching them, so I don't feel like he should have or anything) I have a GT 740 that OCs about 22% faster than base on most applications/games on average! That's the difference of ~45 fps up to nearly 60 on some games!
Dell Radeon 7570 1GB GDDR5 for the win!! I use a 7570 on my retro rig (paired with an AMD Phenom 2 x4 940, and 8GB DDR2) and run games at mid to high settings at 1680x1050.
Hey Phil, have you heard Valve is dropping support for Windows XP in Steam at the end of the year? I know a lot of people making Windows XP retro gaming machine have a lot of their old games purchased through Steam, now might need to find alternative sources for all those purchases.
Picked up 3 quadro 600s for $20. Overclocked to 825 core and 900 memory with msi afterburner. Just spent a few hours playing portal 2 no problem at 1080p on a sff elite 8300. Have a good ryzen 5 system too but this is oddly more satisfying...
I found the HD7570 to be a really good card for the money. Only about $20 and a hell of a low profile card. I've not done any real gaming on it, but I use it on an old AMD Athlon machine and it can play 1080p youtube videos with h264ify now with it. EDIT: It seems to bench near my old HD4670 in tests, and my old HD4670 wasn't a bad card at all despite no DX11 support.
Another option for a low profile XP video card is the Nvidia Quadro K1200. This card is basically a 5% faster GT750, and works fantastic in Windows XP.
Thank you Phil! This is awesome! What is of particular interest to me is the comparison of the Radeon HD 7750 and the HD 7570 (both with 1GB of GDDR5). This is a very close direct comparison of the AMD Graphics Core Next architecture vs AMD Terrascale architecture. I also just picked up two matching EVGA 8800 GT Superclocked 512MB single slot cards to run in SLI. Which is era appropriate and will perform about like the 60 FPS group, maybe a little better. I use the 750 Ti 2GB for modern gaming. It's still relevant for modern gaming.
They may perform worse... 2x the cards doesn't mean 2x the frame rates. It's not always about throughput, it's the increasingly powerful GPU's of the newer generations.
Hi Phil, I love your really informative, premium-presented content very much & you've helped me out in several cases to choice parts for my Retro-System-building. I'm hoping now, that I can give you an advice for the GTX 750 in low profile format for the HP SFF and it's weak PSU from my own experience: Don't search for it, because it's not only rare, the available models mainly doesn't fit the HP-specific power-support of the PCI express-slot (only 35W in opposite to the mainly specified 65W). My own, with high expectations bought KFA2 GTX 750 TI OC in low profile format (but 2,5 slots widht, no extra power-cable needed) ran like a racehorse, but in the first benchmarking it frozes my whole PC after only 1,5 minutes or so. No BSOD or error-message, just frozen - only to "shutdown" via unplug the power cable in "the hard way"was possible. I did a little bit investigation and I found out, the "spikes" in power-consumption are too high for the HP-PSU (you know, we have to live with this in such SFF-builds), so that I've to bought another card. Luckily I found a pretty good alternative, the GTX 745 from an OEM-build (in germany called Medion), which will do the job in very good manner. A little bit lower performance, but no freezes of the system and only 1 Slot width. It's offering DVI-I and HDMI only, but who cares about VGA? The best wishes from Germany to the wonderful Australia - keep up the great work, Phil!
Please during making a charts for next videos put more points, like 30fps, 90fps. Because it's quite difficult to read if card reached 30 fps in some title if there is no level for it and it's even heard on the video that you have troubles with that
I’ve still got my OEM HP Radeon HD 6570 and it’s a good overclocker and it ran in my dell optiplex 780 sff just fine and I did video editing with it and it was just fine
I picked up an OEM GT 640 with GDDR 5 a while ago from a Goodwill type of shop for 10 dollars. I've got it connected to a slim HP desktop (that i paid 30 dollars for) with one of those pci-e x1 to USB adapters. It plays older games surprisingly well but the C2D e6700 really chokes on newer games like GTA V for example
I use a GT430 in my low profile XP machine. It's faster than the GT610 but probably not as fast as the 630. It's amply fast for everything I need it to do. It's most demanding application is to serve as an extra machine for the kids to play multiplayer Minecraft. With the GT430 it runs that game basically just as smooth as my "heavy" gaming PC. It was a significant improvement from an HD4350 that I already had (and wasn't satisfied with). It also handles H.264 acceleration in the MPC-BE player. I found some old reviews which showed the GT430 used very little power at an idle desktop, and that was a key concern of mine. The whole point of my low profile XP PC is that I use it as an everyday low power system. If I'm going to play a demanding game, then I fire up the heavy tower XP machine. My "heavy" is a power hog, and it's S3 standby mode doesn't even work (it wakes up dead), so I prefer not to run that machine all day long, at least not in the summer months. The funny thing about GT430 cards is that the models that the review sites reviewed have faster memory than the cards that actually exist. So do research on the clock and RAM configuration of whatever specific card you look at buying. In my case I found that the fastest readily/cheaply available model was one from Asus. But open buying the Asus, the seller sent me a Zotac. I was irritated because I knew it had slower memory. However, it turned out to be a fantastic overclocker, reaching the Asus' speeds without any issue, so I kept it and have been happy with it. There is a major caveat with some nVidia cards when using multiple monitors. At least with the GT2xx and GT4xx cards that I've used, nVidia's drivers will lock the card into it's high power state when there are multiple monitors. There is 3rd party software called "nVidia Inspector" which can be used to override this behavior. You can then give it a list of executables that should trigger the high power state. The software can also switch power states based on the amount of GPU load that it detects, but I found that results in some irritating visual effects when it keeps switching too much, so I prefer to use the method of listing .EXE files. I don't think ATI has this problem.
I would just like to mention that the intel integrated graphics on Ivy Bridge (HD 4000) will equal the 60 FPS cards like the GT 710 and GT 630. Haswell (HD 4600) will equal the performance of the Radeon HD 7570 or there abouts, being faster than the 60 FPS group but slower than the GT 730. Sandy Bridge (HD 2000) integrated graphics will be slower than your 30 FPS group, but not by much...and should offer playable performance on most titles, even if you have to turn the resolution and detail levels down on some of the more demanding AAA tittles. Before Sandy Bridge = forget it. Also the AMD APUs should offer similar performance range from 30 FPS all the way up to HD 7750 levels of performance depending on the specific model, for example, the A10-7850K Kaveri APU about equals the HD 7570. The new AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 4c/4t APU with RX-Vega 8(compute unites) $99 runs about equal to the HD 7750...maybe slightly faster.
I was hoping to get an APU and motherboard from a Chinese shopping site, but I think they thought I would be selling clothes or something, because it never eventuated :D
The Quadro 600 is essentially a GT630... in fact you might cross flash it and confirm.. would allow people to happily buy the (generally cheaper) Quadro
Very good video! if you have to go low profile I bet this will help people alot :) But me personally I prefer to go with something from the XP time, like a X1800 or X1900 series card from ATI or a high end 7000 or even better a high end 8000 series card. It just makes me feel better when all the parts in the computer match timewise :)
Yea that was the plan. I like how you can't buy anything recent anymore that is XP compatible. Also the form factor and power limits the choices. So it's a nice little project with boundaries. But still lots of cards to explore that I don't have.
But when you want killer frame rates for period correct games, nothing beats computer "future parts!" I used to be a "period correct" guy, but got tired of paying a premium for lesser hardware. :)
I have now installed an Asus AH3450 i.e. Radeon HD3450 with 512 MB DDR2 and AGP 8x interface in an MSI Mega PC400 with Pentium 4 2.8 GHz. Found it by chance for 5 euros. Works despite being connected to power. The PC only has a small 250 watt power supply and everything is very tight inside. Probably the best AGP low end card.
Hey Phil. Love your videos man. Your efforts and enthousiasm really shine through. Will you be testing any of the new gen. 1650 lp cards? Perhaps a 1650 oc lp or even better as soon as available a 1650 ti lp. Grtz.
Got it off eBay! There will be a "upgrade my SFF" type video, and if all goes well, featuring fan replacements as well from a reputable cooling company :D
Hilariously i have a GT 720, its a pretty decent little card with an overclock. I'd love to drop it in my old Pentium 4 box but that computer only has 3 PCI slots.
i tried the hd 7570 on my xp computer and i had to manually install the drivers through the device manager. it's really good when it works unfortunately the one i got may be near death because this particular card likes to crash to a solid blue or green screen with relative frequency.
Id have to say if this is your scenario, stick to radeon forget nvidia, then use a socket am2 motherboard, most of these motherboards have built in Crossfire support from the chipst graphics to the gpu, and it works well too.
I have a Low Profile Quadro K620 nearly as fast as the GTX 750, it's also cheap and got Nvidia Windows XP drivers in 2016 (although they are no longer officially supported but are readily available online).
@@philscomputerlab Would those be more AMD cards for XP? I look forward to that video :) . Btw is the advantage of AMD cards that much more for Windows XP gaming? I'd really rather stick to NVidia.
Yes they will all work with XP. I review these AMD cards because they are cheap on eBay for some reason. There isn't much from Nvidia, so not much to review!
Just an FYI, the HD 7750 overclocks like crazy. I have a LP and single slot version, both will do 1000mhz stock on the gpu and 1337mhz on the ram, with a bit of modding (100k resistor and an old CPU cooler on it) I was able to get 1250mhz GPU + 1400mhz ram (Not super stable though)
I grabbed one of those 7570 cards a while back on a whim for $10 (USD) off Ebay. The listed price was $15 and I offered $10 and they took it. They were selling a ton of them so they must have had a pile of old OEM stacks they were getting rid of on the cheap. I was VERY surprised by it's performance even on Win7 in somewhat modern games. I threw it in a cheap little Fortnite machine for my nephew and he still uses it. It runs a clean 60fps at 720p and good details. It looks as good as the console version, tbh.
You're getting 60fps? I've got a G4400 and this GPU on Fortnite with the 7570 too and it's only getting 30fps average at 720p low details. The G4400 isn't even getting maxed out on both cores and the gpu shows constant 90%+ utilization. It doesn't seem like it, but perhaps my processor is holding it back? I just find it hard to believe.
I have some of these cards, mostly the radeon's kicking around with stuck or missing fans. Interesting the timing since I was just looking at 710's - 750's. There sure are a lot of variants on newegg of the 710 & 730's. I can see why the 750 especially the ti version are still bidding for a pretty penny on ebay.
The Chinese are upgrading their internet cafe / gaming video cards, so there are now legit 750s and other cards making their way onto Chinese online platforms. Those two Gigabyte cards are from AliExpress, I am considering doing a video on this.
Nice! Yea I can see that, there is a massive market for used workstation parts. For LOLs you can also get CrossFire going, but it was only really good for 3DMark. Games were all over the place.
What about a PNY NVIDIA Quadro P400 (30 watts)? I do not know how it is for gaming but for it has given me a 5:1 improvement in encoding MPG video files.
Good video as usual Phil.Are there any more low profile cards that still support XP?I understand 1030 doesn't,t. Does this one R5 340X or any other ones that do? Any under 70 pounds , Unfourynatly my SFF 3020 can only take thin ones because the slot is close to the power supply. Keep up the good work.
Nice video, I had a few of these cards in my mediacenter :) It now has a Radeon Pro WX 4100 (basically an RX560), which to my knowledge is the fastest low profile, single slot graphics card. Would be nice to see a follow up with the highest end stuff like a 1050 ti's....
The Maxwell architecture has an advanced delta color compression technology that handles memory bandwith very efficiently. Due to this feature can these 750 cards push out a huge amount of fps in older games. ;-)
Breakbeat0420 From Nvidia's site: Turbocharge your gaming experience with the GeForce GTX 750 Ti. It’s powered by first-generation NVIDIA® Maxwell™ architecture, delivering twice the performance of previous generation cards at half the power consumption.
Just picked up a 7570 ddr5 128 bit 1 gb off ebay for 17.99 shipped. Going to throw it in my dell optiplex gx280 (SD). Which i am upgrading to a 300w psu. And I have a pentium 4 HT 530 with 2gb ram for now. But i plan on putting 4 in it. Which is the max anyways. Thanks for the video i enjoyed it.
Ohh, I just realized, when some ports are added with a ribbon cable, does that mean you can detach those ports and switch the end plate to make the card fit for small form factor machines?! I was not aware of that! At 19:50 you can see that the ASUS card is the same size as the Radeon next to it but the plate is larger and the ASUS has this detachable extra bit.
@@philscomputerlab Cool! I always thought it was just some cost cutting measure but I'm not sure which is less expensive, having the cable or a slightly larger PCB.
GTX745 OEMs are still kinda expensive, even the 750 and 750Ti, in the low-profile format of course. But lately i found some Radeon HD7750s and R7 250s low profile for cheap on Ebay, which have Windows XP drivers available. the HD7750 may not be as good as the GTX745, but more affordable and good enough for XP games in a low-profile setup. I would recommend your low-profile computer, with a HD7750, to have a minimum of 250W or more for the power supply. I know most branded low-profile PCs have a power supply that's not that high in wattage, so this is why i'm saying this. For the Radeon R7 250, i would recommend 300W minimum, since it takes a bit more power than the HD7750.
I dont worry about low profile, just cut a slot in the lid with a hacksaw or tin snips and sanpaper the rough edges away, bingo full size card options open up literally for no extra cost!
Thanks for this video. I have been looking for a cheap XP gaming pc and found a Dell Optiplex 780 SFF Core 2 quad Q6600 cpu with 4Gb ram, 1Tb hard drive and a 2Gb GT 710 video card for what looks like a reasonable price but keep putting off buying it because of doubts about the GT 710 not being any good for gaming, so I'm glad to see it in this video. Would I have any compatibility problems with earlier XP games though and would Win 95/98 games be out of the picture?
Windows 98/95 on a dual core has problems you will only see 1 core and you will need a modded chipset driver and 512mb RAM only for install, also it only really supports AGP/PCI not PCI-E, you can get a universal VESA driver seach "VBEMP" not for gaming but works for full colour and res. Sound "DOS games" like Duke nukem you would need OPL3LPT or COVOX card via parallel port. Overall you would be better of with XP and DOS dual boot with a parallel sound !not currently a way to get Sound blaster for most S effects! . going back to XP if in the UK low profile GTX 745 or a K620 currently for around £35 the gtx 745 LP uk.webuy.com/ £33. Not sure on the k620 windows xp driver i think it is JUST ABOUT going to work drp.su/en/devices/video/nvidia/nvidia-quadro-k620?os=windows-xp-x86 and is near the GTX 1030 SPEC
AMD Firepro is also a great option, such as the Firepro W5000. It is the same profile and wattage as the HD 7750, but much higher specs. With 2GB GDDR5 and 768 shading units, it sometimes beats the GT1030 and GTX 650 ti for not even $40 in my region.
Phil your videos are the BEST on youtube, all realist benchmarks with meaningful content instead of £2000 cpus and £800 motherboards. this is for people here on planet earth that actually use such realistic priced machines daily.
I really enjoy my amd 7570 GDDR5! I found it for only $20 CAD and it's great for older games using windows 7 as well. My Steam and GOG games run really well. The Ghostbusters game from 2009 runs so smoothly. On emulators, it's really fast with my i5 2400. Windows XP was an excellent OS as well. I ran it on an older laptop for 4-5 years that came with Vista. XP was made for older games.
hi ,run sfv with this card video hd 7570 bro?
HD 7570 1gb gddr5 - i5 2400 - 8gb ram
Same setup as yours, i can BARELY run apex legends but almost all of my other games like arma 3 space engine and civ6 run just fine
Glad I found you bud. I,m in the middle of just building the same rig running XP. Graphics card is next, so this vid has been a great help. Love how clear and in-depth your vids are. thank you.
I really respect the effort you put in your videos. I wish i could send you some stuff to test. But Germany to Australia is hell in terms of packaging.
Considering his accent I assume he is in Germany then? 😜
I keep an old GT 730 2GB (Zotac fanless) around as a backup card. Because it's low profile and has only a 23W power draw I call it "ol' reliable". I use a GT 1030 2GB (30W) in my sff "Linux box", and a GTX 1050 Ti 4GB full sized (75W) in my Windows 10 tower. The late nights with my GT 730 playing L4D2 and CS Source, oh the memories...
@@MrJohnLongbow phils lives in Australia
I read that as Germany to Austria 😂.
i got a low profile 750ti last year. the card still holds up very well - even with recent games (although nothing high-end).
quite possibly best purchase for its price.
Could u send me the link for it in Ali express
@@amalsankar8522 could u use search for it in the google
@@virtualtools_3021 dude the comment itself is 1 year old and I've already bought a gt1030 and it does the work on 768p 🤷
Impossible to find in low profile this days.
@@lukassbeataddicts 7570 is one of the cheapest and easiest to find low profile cards. i know its not as good as a 750 ti but for retro games it does very well.
You have practically convinced me to keep my GTX750 2gb for ever!
absolutely not. sell it to me :)
Lucky bastard
@@nekaroamemiya lol I've exchanged it a couple months back with an HD3870X2 and a GTX550Ti. I figured it wasn't a real 750 (performed like one though) but a 650Ti with a 750 bios; brand was Afox (beware).
@@KARAOTI23 hmm I've seen that one before. Yea I've heard of last gen-Ti flash to next gen regular versions before. Same thing with Radeon Rx cards. Now in my main rig is ryzen 7-3700X 32GB ram with rtx2060. Best deal I ever had. Traded a 1050ti for a 2060 before this whole price increase. People called me an idiot fit buying rtx2000 series when rtx3000 series was gonna launch.
@@KARAOTI23 onda,hunanzhi avox yellow Nvidia, kiv gotta watch out
If these cards want to keep a low prifle, why do they have such flashy colors? :3
Lol!
They are meant for smaller cases
@@leolifestyle6470 you missed the joke dude.
@@leolifestyle6470
Low profile as in unnoticeable
Another gpu worth considering is the firepro v3800, it's basically a hd 5570 and can be had for super cheap on ebay, it should perform somewhere around or better than the quadro 600 and other GF108 gpus and absolutely blows any Caicos (hd 64xx/74xx/84xx) gpu out of the water.
It's a good choice for those with motherboards that run pcie x8 cards at x1 speed, like a dell optiplex 360.
Thanks for the tip, I'll keep an eye out for one!
Lovely video. I didn't know I had one of the better cards out there! I use an i3 2100, a mini itx asus h77 board and a GT 730 in my winxp retro. Works beautifully!
I love the 7570 for budget huilds, it's usually about half the price of a GT 730 (in the US anyhow) and they overclock fairly well. Nice roundup Phil.
The Dell OEM HD7570 1GB ddr5 shows only 800Mhz for the memory clock. It should be 1000MHz per AMD specs. Did Dell underclock their cards and should they be safe to overclock atleast to 1000Mhz? I have one in a Dell Optiplex 360 at the moment.
@@retromaniac4563 Mine overclocks to 930 at any temps and 1040 (won't let me set it higher) in a cold environment (5C ambient with ridiculously high airflow) core wont go above 725 without artifacting
Hi All, dam i missed this video release last night and just flicking through it while having a coffee at work.
Nice work on the variety of cards. I have read all the comments to now, and i just need to add that the HP8200 and I5-2400 is a bit modern for a retro computer, but the beauty of these machines is that they are plentiful and cheap, also they wont really have the capacitor plague problem.
I purchased one of these machines after watching Phils video almost 12 months ago, it was originally set up with fresh windows 10 and i used dos box for the older games.
Since then i have reformatted the hard drive , installed Dos 6.22 on the first partition, Win XP on the second and Win 10 on the third. Obviously old dos games will run but the speed sensitive will not even doom 1 and 2 crashes as the clock speed is to fast but that is what Zdaemon is for as well as the fan made recompiled windows versions of Duke Nukem and Command and Conquer engines.
Back to the point, having a modern machine that can play the older win95-XP games is a excellent proposition, my machine has the GT1030 SFF card, but for XP i just use the standard VGA drivers it is a bit of a compromise as i might as well be using the onboard video chip, but the GT1030 is great for when using Win10
When i get home i will watch it all and also listen to it.
Regards
George
Hi Phil, great video like always! I really enjoy the thorough analysis you do in these kinds of tests. One thing I would like to point out, which can perhaps be a topic worth exploring in the future, is that Nvidia cards usually have far less cpu utilization over OpenGL and DirectX8-11 than AMD. Although I really like AMD, their architecture definitely shines the best with newer APIs like Vulkan or DX12. But building retro gaming PCs however, Nvidia has always had the edge when it comes to removing CPU and memory bandwidth bottle-necking, since their DirectX and OpenGL implementation has always been far more efficient on software side of things.
The reason for this is basically that GPU instructions are constantly checked with the CPU main thread on these older APIs. (OpenGL being even worse than DX11) This wasn't really a problem with high clocked single- or dual-core CPUs when most people were running 480p-768p, but as graphics hardware grew stronger, our screen resolutions larger, the main thread got much easier filled up with GPU-instruction checks. Especially since these low profile systems tend to have lower clocked CPUs. Because of this nvidia is usually a safer bet when creating retro systems if you want to get the most out of your CPU. Unfortunately I have no experience in this matter when it comes to Windows XP. But perhaps it's worth checking out.
I do recall there are more low profile cards, for example there are some R7 250s in that form, also HD 7750 low profile as well
I have a low profile, GTS450 still going strong in an old 775 system, it’s significantly better than many of the cards in this video.
Thanks for all the great feedback and tips. It made me write a dedicate page on our website for this project. It will allow me to add more cards in the future :D Here is the link: www.philscomputerlab.com/low-profile-video-cards-xp.html
I really appreciate the effort you put into these videos. The optiplex I have with an i7 3770 & Radeon 7470 gets GPU bound in most 3D games & emulators. Great for media playback though!
Wtf same PC I'm watching this because I'm looking for good low profile GPU so it can fit in my PC
7570 can be had for less than 15 bucks on ebay, at least last time i checked. I use it to play War Thunder and get 75-85 fps even at 1080p! (with minimum settings, however it still looks decent)
Gt 710, 720, 730, 740 and gtx 750 + ti, all of them available in 1GB flavor, for your perfect win xp experience. 1GB dedicated video ram, 2GB sys ram and almost 1GB free adress space for anything else to be enumerated, like hdd cache, sound card ram and various other bits and pockets of adressable system storage. What would you want more?
Excellent video! Very detailed and informative.
Using a Radeon HD 7470 in my retro-gaming station Small Form Factor Dell 9010. Pretty happy with it. Definitely worth the $5 I paid at a local electronics recycling outlet. For the most part it has pretty good compatibility with older games, on Windows 7.
I love Radeon cards and I had the same findings where most are all around the same performance. Wonderfully put together round up Phil! 🙂
Thanks for making this video. Just bought another Dell Optiplex 980 and this one is specifically for XP gaming. Just got tired of trying to make old XP games work on Win 10.
nice vid . you deserve more subs and views for sure
I was looking for good VGA options for my PC, and stumbled upon this video and guess what, instant sub 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Great thorough work.
Welcome aboard!
I recommend the 750 ti. i used it along with a g3258 to play GTA V at 60fps
i use 7570 to run gta V at 90 fps, i used low spec gamers guide XD
@@virtualtools_3021 how many fps for my rig,
i7 3700(not k)
radeon 7500 4gb, 1gb integ
Thanks for this video helped me a lot to decide what card to buy.
I have the And Radeon Hd 8570 with this same exact PC. I love my build and I am planning on buying more games in the future. I love your Hp Elite 8200 videos. They are super high quality and amazing!
You could add the HD 8570 and potentially some of the K series of Quadro cards…not 100% sure on XP driver availability for all of them but might be worth a look. 😊
You do such a good job on your comparison videos Phil.
I would like to add... Best and most allround compatible for a SFF PC, I think is the GT 730.
Make a note that Some of these older HP's LGA775 SFF boards, dosn't have 75W available on the PCI'E slot. So we want something that only draws about 30W. The GT 730 GDDR5.
But if you are sure that the board can deliver 75W, a GTX 750(ti) LP is really good. Say welcome to a Crysis 60pfs PC !
I have a few HP Compaq Elite 6300 SFF machines that only have 25W available to the PCIe x16 slot. It's a shame, because they are quite nice little machines. The best card that I could find for it is the AMD Radeon HD 7450.
Hello from the U.S.! This is EXACTLY the info I have been looking for! Super well done! Thank you sir!
I wish you would have thrown the AMD Oland cards into this mix. The HD8570, R5 240 and R7 240 would have compared favorably with the GT630/710 and the R7 250 has similar performance to the 7750 but is pretty much guaranteed to be low-profile. I’ve also found the 250 super easy to overclock all the way, safely, with a dual-slot cooler (also easy to find on ebay).
Dude this video explained exactly what I wanted to know! I took notes! Thanks a ton!
I was looking for a video like this for months. With a PC like this
Got a GT730 with a Q9650, can play Driver Parallel Lines at 1080p just great. Haven't really tried with demanding games.
Very much appreciate this video, I was on the hunt for the right low profile card for my dedicated windows XP rig. Thanks.
...BUT CAN IT RUN CRYSIS?! YES, but not always smooth.
And now just add the X-Fi Xtreme Gamer low profile soundcard with EAX5 & OpenAL and there you have a full-blown XP dream machine in a business form factor.
Yup that's it :D
P.S. Absolutely try overclocking these cards to anybody who picks one up.
(of course Phil had way more than enough to do just benching them, so I don't feel like he should have or anything)
I have a GT 740 that OCs about 22% faster than base on most applications/games on average!
That's the difference of ~45 fps up to nearly 60 on some games!
There is also a unobtainium kfa 950 low profile(xp driver on the nvidia website)
Thanks for the great guide! It's still helpful in 2020.
Glad it helped!
Dell Radeon 7570 1GB GDDR5 for the win!! I use a 7570 on my retro rig (paired with an AMD Phenom 2 x4 940, and 8GB DDR2) and run games at mid to high settings at 1680x1050.
I likewise have the 2GB model 7850 that I use on a Core i5-750 Precision T1500 to play an heavily modified Fallout 3.
Hey Phil, have you heard Valve is dropping support for Windows XP in Steam at the end of the year? I know a lot of people making Windows XP retro gaming machine have a lot of their old games purchased through Steam, now might need to find alternative sources for all those purchases.
what about a gtx 745? i got one of them today and it seems to be a pretty solid performer. i'd be interested in seeing a review of it someday
Picked up 3 quadro 600s for $20. Overclocked to 825 core and 900 memory with msi afterburner.
Just spent a few hours playing portal 2 no problem at 1080p on a sff elite 8300. Have a good ryzen 5 system too but this is oddly more satisfying...
I know the feeling :D
Oh! I have one of those Single Slot Low Profile HD7750s. Proper little trooper it was, sits on my shelf now.
I found the HD7570 to be a really good card for the money. Only about $20 and a hell of a low profile card. I've not done any real gaming on it, but I use it on an old AMD Athlon machine and it can play 1080p youtube videos with h264ify now with it.
EDIT: It seems to bench near my old HD4670 in tests, and my old HD4670 wasn't a bad card at all despite no DX11 support.
Another option for a low profile XP video card is the Nvidia Quadro K1200.
This card is basically a 5% faster GT750, and works fantastic in Windows XP.
And costs 4 times more than 7570
thanks a lot for this video, I really love your channel!!!
do appreciate the work you put into this. it helped me immensely
This is a great video, I wanted some more information on a low profile GPU for my HP t610 plus. Planning to use it for older games.
I use a OEM GT740 in my ThinkCentre M58p SFF with the Core2Duo E8400
Thank you Phil! This is awesome!
What is of particular interest to me is the comparison of the Radeon HD 7750 and the HD 7570 (both with 1GB of GDDR5). This is a very close direct comparison of the AMD Graphics Core Next architecture vs AMD Terrascale architecture.
I also just picked up two matching EVGA 8800 GT Superclocked 512MB single slot cards to run in SLI. Which is era appropriate and will perform about like the 60 FPS group, maybe a little better.
I use the 750 Ti 2GB for modern gaming. It's still relevant for modern gaming.
They may perform worse... 2x the cards doesn't mean 2x the frame rates. It's not always about throughput, it's the increasingly powerful GPU's of the newer generations.
Hi Phil, I love your really informative, premium-presented content very much & you've helped me out in several cases to choice parts for my Retro-System-building. I'm hoping now, that I can give you an advice for the GTX 750 in low profile format for the HP SFF and it's weak PSU from my own experience:
Don't search for it, because it's not only rare, the available models mainly doesn't fit the HP-specific power-support of the PCI express-slot (only 35W in opposite to the mainly specified 65W).
My own, with high expectations bought KFA2 GTX 750 TI OC in low profile format (but 2,5 slots widht, no extra power-cable needed) ran like a racehorse, but in the first benchmarking it frozes my whole PC after only 1,5 minutes or so. No BSOD or error-message, just frozen - only to "shutdown" via unplug the power cable in "the hard way"was possible.
I did a little bit investigation and I found out, the "spikes" in power-consumption are too high for the HP-PSU (you know, we have to live with this in such SFF-builds), so that I've to bought another card. Luckily I found a pretty good alternative, the GTX 745 from an OEM-build (in germany called Medion), which will do the job in very good manner. A little bit lower performance, but no freezes of the system and only 1 Slot width. It's offering DVI-I and HDMI only, but who cares about VGA?
The best wishes from Germany to the wonderful Australia - keep up the great work, Phil!
Please during making a charts for next videos put more points, like 30fps, 90fps. Because it's quite difficult to read if card reached 30 fps in some title if there is no level for it and it's even heard on the video that you have troubles with that
at least we got more than two colors! :))) Im a big fan of Phils blue line, red line, blue line with dots, blue line with crosses graphs :P
I’ve still got my OEM HP Radeon HD 6570 and it’s a good overclocker and it ran in my dell optiplex 780 sff just fine and I did video editing with it and it was just fine
I picked up an OEM GT 640 with GDDR 5 a while ago from a Goodwill type of shop for 10 dollars. I've got it connected to a slim HP desktop (that i paid 30 dollars for) with one of those pci-e x1 to USB adapters. It plays older games surprisingly well but the C2D e6700 really chokes on newer games like GTA V for example
Excellent video, thanks for posting!
I use a GT430 in my low profile XP machine. It's faster than the GT610 but probably not as fast as the 630. It's amply fast for everything I need it to do. It's most demanding application is to serve as an extra machine for the kids to play multiplayer Minecraft. With the GT430 it runs that game basically just as smooth as my "heavy" gaming PC.
It was a significant improvement from an HD4350 that I already had (and wasn't satisfied with). It also handles H.264 acceleration in the MPC-BE player.
I found some old reviews which showed the GT430 used very little power at an idle desktop, and that was a key concern of mine. The whole point of my low profile XP PC is that I use it as an everyday low power system. If I'm going to play a demanding game, then I fire up the heavy tower XP machine. My "heavy" is a power hog, and it's S3 standby mode doesn't even work (it wakes up dead), so I prefer not to run that machine all day long, at least not in the summer months.
The funny thing about GT430 cards is that the models that the review sites reviewed have faster memory than the cards that actually exist. So do research on the clock and RAM configuration of whatever specific card you look at buying.
In my case I found that the fastest readily/cheaply available model was one from Asus. But open buying the Asus, the seller sent me a Zotac. I was irritated because I knew it had slower memory. However, it turned out to be a fantastic overclocker, reaching the Asus' speeds without any issue, so I kept it and have been happy with it.
There is a major caveat with some nVidia cards when using multiple monitors. At least with the GT2xx and GT4xx cards that I've used, nVidia's drivers will lock the card into it's high power state when there are multiple monitors. There is 3rd party software called "nVidia Inspector" which can be used to override this behavior. You can then give it a list of executables that should trigger the high power state. The software can also switch power states based on the amount of GPU load that it detects, but I found that results in some irritating visual effects when it keeps switching too much, so I prefer to use the method of listing .EXE files.
I don't think ATI has this problem.
I would just like to mention that the intel integrated graphics on Ivy Bridge (HD 4000) will equal the 60 FPS cards like the GT 710 and GT 630. Haswell (HD 4600) will equal the performance of the Radeon HD 7570 or there abouts, being faster than the 60 FPS group but slower than the GT 730. Sandy Bridge (HD 2000) integrated graphics will be slower than your 30 FPS group, but not by much...and should offer playable performance on most titles, even if you have to turn the resolution and detail levels down on some of the more demanding AAA tittles. Before Sandy Bridge = forget it.
Also the AMD APUs should offer similar performance range from 30 FPS all the way up to HD 7750 levels of performance depending on the specific model, for example, the A10-7850K Kaveri APU about equals the HD 7570. The new AMD Ryzen 3 2200G 4c/4t APU with RX-Vega 8(compute unites) $99 runs about equal to the HD 7750...maybe slightly faster.
I was hoping to get an APU and motherboard from a Chinese shopping site, but I think they thought I would be selling clothes or something, because it never eventuated :D
I have a GDDR5 version of the 7570 and it's a great card, I use it in my Q8300 Dell HTPC
ay we have the same setup, except mine is a Q8400
do you mean core 2 quad q8400 ?
@@funstopguy5572 yea
The Quadro 600 is essentially a GT630... in fact you might cross flash it and confirm.. would allow people to happily buy the (generally cheaper) Quadro
Very good video! if you have to go low profile I bet this will help people alot :)
But me personally I prefer to go with something from the XP time, like a X1800 or X1900 series card from ATI or a high end 7000 or even better a high end 8000 series card. It just makes me feel better when all the parts in the computer match timewise :)
Yea that was the plan. I like how you can't buy anything recent anymore that is XP compatible. Also the form factor and power limits the choices. So it's a nice little project with boundaries. But still lots of cards to explore that I don't have.
But when you want killer frame rates for period correct games, nothing beats computer "future parts!" I used to be a "period correct" guy, but got tired of paying a premium for lesser hardware. :)
I have a sandy bridge i5 that I still use for gaming now on modern games with no issues.
hmm would have been neat to see the quadro k2200 on here but awesome video
I have now installed an Asus AH3450 i.e. Radeon HD3450 with 512 MB DDR2 and AGP 8x interface in an MSI Mega PC400 with Pentium 4 2.8 GHz. Found it by chance for 5 euros. Works despite being connected to power. The PC only has a small 250 watt power supply and everything is very tight inside. Probably the best AGP low end card.
Hey Phil. Love your videos man. Your efforts and enthousiasm really shine through. Will you be testing any of the new gen. 1650 lp cards? Perhaps a 1650 oc lp or even better as soon as available a 1650 ti lp. Grtz.
Phil may i know where did you get the 5.25 drive bay adapter?
Got it off eBay! There will be a "upgrade my SFF" type video, and if all goes well, featuring fan replacements as well from a reputable cooling company :D
Hilariously i have a GT 720, its a pretty decent little card with an overclock. I'd love to drop it in my old Pentium 4 box but that computer only has 3 PCI slots.
i tried the hd 7570 on my xp computer and i had to manually install the drivers through the device manager. it's really good when it works unfortunately the one i got may be near death because this particular card likes to crash to a solid blue or green screen with relative frequency.
Great video, I need low profile so definitely gonna give GT 730 another look. Great score in Far Cry.
Id have to say if this is your scenario, stick to radeon forget nvidia, then use a socket am2 motherboard, most of these motherboards have built in Crossfire support from the chipst graphics to the gpu, and it works well too.
I have a Low Profile Quadro K620 nearly as fast as the GTX 750, it's also cheap and got Nvidia Windows XP drivers in 2016 (although they are no longer officially supported but are readily available online).
Nice! I am working on a video checking out 4 AMD Low Profile cards soon!
@@philscomputerlab Would those be more AMD cards for XP? I look forward to that video :) . Btw is the advantage of AMD cards that much more for Windows XP gaming? I'd really rather stick to NVidia.
Yes they will all work with XP. I review these AMD cards because they are cheap on eBay for some reason. There isn't much from Nvidia, so not much to review!
Just an FYI, the HD 7750 overclocks like crazy. I have a LP and single slot version, both will do 1000mhz stock on the gpu and 1337mhz on the ram, with a bit of modding (100k resistor and an old CPU cooler on it) I was able to get 1250mhz GPU + 1400mhz ram (Not super stable though)
I grabbed one of those 7570 cards a while back on a whim for $10 (USD) off Ebay.
The listed price was $15 and I offered $10 and they took it. They were selling a ton of them so they must have had a pile of old OEM stacks they were getting rid of on the cheap.
I was VERY surprised by it's performance even on Win7 in somewhat modern games. I threw it in a cheap little Fortnite machine for my nephew and he still uses it. It runs a clean 60fps at 720p and good details. It looks as good as the console version, tbh.
You're getting 60fps? I've got a G4400 and this GPU on Fortnite with the 7570 too and it's only getting 30fps average at 720p low details.
The G4400 isn't even getting maxed out on both cores and the gpu shows constant 90%+ utilization.
It doesn't seem like it, but perhaps my processor is holding it back? I just find it hard to believe.
I recently buy a 2nd hand Radeon HD 6570 and it's not bad. I planned to buy a GT 710 but I cant find it at my local shops.
I have some of these cards, mostly the radeon's kicking around with stuck or missing fans. Interesting the timing since I was just looking at 710's - 750's. There sure are a lot of variants on newegg of the 710 & 730's. I can see why the 750 especially the ti version are still bidding for a pretty penny on ebay.
The Chinese are upgrading their internet cafe / gaming video cards, so there are now legit 750s and other cards making their way onto Chinese online platforms. Those two Gigabyte cards are from AliExpress, I am considering doing a video on this.
Thanks for all the info Phil, Those Radeon HD7570 are a good buy here in the U.S.
Nice! Yea I can see that, there is a massive market for used workstation parts. For LOLs you can also get CrossFire going, but it was only really good for 3DMark. Games were all over the place.
What about a PNY NVIDIA Quadro P400 (30 watts)?
I do not know how it is for gaming but for it has given me a 5:1 improvement in encoding MPG video files.
Good video as usual Phil.Are there any more low profile cards that still support XP?I understand 1030 doesn't,t.
Does this one R5 340X or any other ones that do?
Any under 70 pounds ,
Unfourynatly my SFF 3020 can only take thin ones because the slot is close to the power supply.
Keep up the good work.
Just check AMD and Nvidia driver site to see if there are XP drivers!
Nice video, I had a few of these cards in my mediacenter :) It now has a Radeon Pro WX 4100 (basically an RX560), which to my knowledge is the fastest low profile, single slot graphics card. Would be nice to see a follow up with the highest end stuff like a 1050 ti's....
None of those are Windows XP compatible, so that's why they aren't featured :D Yea the 1050 Ti is the strongest one for modern gaming.
PhilsComputerLab true, maybe for a retro windows 7 build ;)
I knew that the gtx 750 and Ti were good, but i had *no idea* they would be that good on Windows XP. Like, whoa... 😱
The Maxwell architecture has an advanced delta color compression technology that handles memory bandwith very efficiently. Due to this feature can these 750 cards push out a huge amount of fps in older games. ;-)
Having a raw bandwidth of 80 Gigabytes per second, helps also :D By far the strongest memory of all the cards.
And the Pascal has way better compression and higher bandwith.
The GTX 1050/Ti are able to run older games at 4k also. :)
Breakbeat0420 From Nvidia's site: Turbocharge your gaming experience with the GeForce GTX 750 Ti. It’s powered by first-generation NVIDIA® Maxwell™ architecture, delivering twice the performance of previous generation cards at half the power consumption.
vikramvaranasi: The GTX 760, 770 and 780 based on it, but the 750/Ti are the first Maxwell cards.
You videos are the most informative, my idea of retro means agp
cards not PCI/E 😀
Just picked up a 7570 ddr5 128 bit 1 gb off ebay for 17.99 shipped. Going to throw it in my dell optiplex gx280 (SD). Which i am upgrading to a 300w psu. And I have a pentium 4 HT 530 with 2gb ram for now. But i plan on putting 4 in it. Which is the max anyways.
Thanks for the video i enjoyed it.
i really want a drive bay like you have.
I think you should include the original Bioshock for XP gaming. I played it a lot in my XP days.
I don't think it's got a built-in benchmark, so that's usually what I look for when picking games!
Awesome job! Its very helpful and incredible job.
Can I use all of the cards in my dell optiplex 3010?
Great video!
Hey Phil, great Video as usual! I'm interested for the HDD Drive Bay you use on this PC. Can you provide some Links where to buy it?
No link sorry, but you can find it on eBay coming from China!
rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.de%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183174872441
Ohh, I just realized, when some ports are added with a ribbon cable, does that mean you can detach those ports and switch the end plate to make the card fit for small form factor machines?! I was not aware of that!
At 19:50 you can see that the ASUS card is the same size as the Radeon next to it but the plate is larger and the ASUS has this detachable extra bit.
Yes!
@@philscomputerlab Cool! I always thought it was just some cost cutting measure but I'm not sure which is less expensive, having the cable or a slightly larger PCB.
GTX745 OEMs are still kinda expensive, even the 750 and 750Ti, in the low-profile format of course. But lately i found some Radeon HD7750s and R7 250s low profile for cheap on Ebay, which have Windows XP drivers available. the HD7750 may not be as good as the GTX745, but more affordable and good enough for XP games in a low-profile setup.
I would recommend your low-profile computer, with a HD7750, to have a minimum of 250W or more for the power supply. I know most branded low-profile PCs have a power supply that's not that high in wattage, so this is why i'm saying this. For the Radeon R7 250, i would recommend 300W minimum, since it takes a bit more power than the HD7750.
Фил, I want to buy low profile card for use my old system with TV via hdmi. What about noise and video decoding?
Love the vids - keep them coming =D
Could you try something like this with amds old fx apus I know they weren't great but just curious.
catalyst 12.5 drivers are fine-tuned for radeon graphics cards
The oem 7570's are excellent with 1GB GDDR5
I dont worry about low profile, just cut a slot in the lid with a hacksaw or tin snips and sanpaper the rough edges away, bingo full size card options open up literally for no extra cost!
for my 8100 i bought a GTX1030, pretty cool too, it's passive and doesn't need an additional powerconector
The i3 8100 is a cheap quad core ,,monster". :D
I love it with my GTX 1050. :)
Using an direct x 10 VGA like 9600gt,8600 or hd4670 is super appropriate with XP built up PC gaming.
Could you eventually test the video acceleration with these cards??? Offloading 4k 60fps youtube video, onto GPU could make an old PC new again.
how do you put steam on a xp machine? Great roundup of cards. Are those cards full height or half height?
Thanks for this video. I have been looking for a cheap XP gaming pc and found a Dell Optiplex 780 SFF Core 2 quad Q6600 cpu with 4Gb ram, 1Tb hard drive and a 2Gb GT 710 video card for what looks like a reasonable price but keep putting off buying it because of doubts about the GT 710 not being any good for gaming, so I'm glad to see it in this video. Would I have any compatibility problems with earlier XP games though and would Win 95/98 games be out of the picture?
Windows 98/95 on a dual core has problems you will only see 1 core and you will need a modded chipset driver and 512mb RAM only for install, also it only really supports AGP/PCI not PCI-E, you can get a universal VESA driver seach "VBEMP" not for gaming but works for full colour and res. Sound "DOS games" like Duke nukem you would need OPL3LPT or COVOX card via parallel port. Overall you would be better of with XP and DOS dual boot with a parallel sound !not currently a way to get Sound blaster for most S effects! . going back to XP if in the UK low profile GTX 745 or a K620 currently for around £35 the gtx 745 LP uk.webuy.com/ £33. Not sure on the k620 windows xp driver i think it is JUST ABOUT going to work drp.su/en/devices/video/nvidia/nvidia-quadro-k620?os=windows-xp-x86 and is near the GTX 1030 SPEC
Great video, still trying to figure out what to get. Anyone can think of something better, but cheaper, than the 8500 GT being low profile?
AMD Firepro is also a great option, such as the Firepro W5000. It is the same profile and wattage as the HD 7750, but much higher specs. With 2GB GDDR5 and 768 shading units, it sometimes beats the GT1030 and GTX 650 ti for not even $40 in my region.
Drivers for Windows XP?
would you be able to do another bench marks using the gt1030, the GTX 1050ti and the gtx1650? Enjoyed the video.
I find Asrock QC500M (QC5000-ITX/PH) and support Windows Xp. The performance is good and low power apu without fan make no noise.