John Lennox: How Math and Science Point to God | Kirk Cameron on TBN
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Takeaways: John Lennox, renowned speaker/debater and professor of mathematics at Oxford University, joins Kirk Cameron to discuss how math and science point to the existence of God and how math led to his faith in Jesus.
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My calculus professor, a retired Navy Captain and engineer, back when I was a young Airman taking night classes, once said to us, "If you want to study man, study law, politics, or even religion. If you want to study God, study math and science." He had a great point.
No he didn't.
Numero pondere et mensura Deus omnia condidit.
God created everything by number, weight and measure.
- Sir Isaac Newton
On more than one occasion, Newton wrote these Latin words as his autograph, with his signature. In Gilles Personne de Roberval's Aristarchi Samii de Mundi Systemate (1644), he frequently uses the abbreviation “P.N.E.M.” standing for “Pondere, mensura et mensura.” It was adopted as the motto of the Smeatonian Society of Engineers as “Omnia in Numero Pondere et Mensura.”
@@ianardeant so what?
Don't reply to desperate atheists trying haplessly to deny the Creator! They're under condemnation and destined for Fire!
@@Bullcutter grow up.
Why would I be desperate? Why would anyone not convinced to share your weird beliefs be “desperate”?
what a wonderful mind he is, Sir John Lennox.
He doesn’t have a knighthood.
The one subject where he has any expertise is algebra. I’ve never heard him utter a syllable about it, have you?
I totally agree. Thanks
Is it only for me this man looks like Vinsten Churchill😅😅😅😅
This man John Lennox has just helped me regain my Faith in Christianity, I felt lost and defeated because most of my colleagues around me who were in Science would often mock me for being “The Christian Physicist” however, seeing this made me realise how right I’ve been about God the whole time and how wrong the people who berated me truly are.
Science isn't about god(s), it purposely restricts itself to the truths about the material world, which is an important part but far from the entirety of human experiences.
Science can merely inform a human being about what is the case, never about whether or not a human being should do something about it nor what a human being should do about it if so. This self imposed restriction doesn't go for religions as religions are mainly about what we ought to do.
@@BlacksmithTWD I understand what you're trying to say however God is not necessarily separate from science but more coexists with it, however lately science has been used as a weapon that it was never intended to be.
The flat earthers who bully, have power of employment or passing uni or school for that matter and mobbing Christians who have spent so many years of study, have poor thinking skills, prejudices or do not define issues, the education level of the general population and science graduates from uni regarding evolution and its facts limitations assumptions is quite appalling, then you combine it with the dreadfully poor standards of our churches makes it a hard slog .... so glad you found John Lennox and his exposition of the bible as I did....
@@kobi219 Science does not make God obsolete, it merely chose to restrict itself to address only those things that don't require a concept of God to explain them. Science and theology are merely different branches of philosophy based on different axioms. If you want to know what is materialistically the case, then science is the best model. If you want to know what to do about it, then you need a religion as science can merely infrom you about what is, not about what you ought to do about it.
Science itself when proporly done is to be admired, as Thomas Aquinas argued over 800 years ago, both nature and scripture have God as their divine author so neither can be at fault. Science studies nature and thus when proporly done it can't be at fault either. Hence when a fallible human being perceives a discrepancy between science and scripture it's not that science or scripture is at fault but instead that fallible human being didn't proporly understand one or the other or possibly didn't understand either.
Scientism on the other hand is an ideology and one of the greatests threats to science.
It's the difference between someone wanting to learn the truth and doing scientific observations, experiments and reasoning for themselves and someone who refers to what some scientist may have said to be taken as authority. It's this ideology that is being used as a weapon, actual science by itself doesn't even provide a motivation to share ones findings. Both science and religion often get hijacked for personal political gains, in both cases the result is similar: corruption.
Personally I don't see God as coexisting, I rather see God as existing itself. I can see a front wheel of a bicycle coexisting with the rear wheel or the saddle of that bicycle, but I can't see the frond wheel of a bicycle coexisting with that bicycle since the front wheel is already part of that bicycle. In order to coexist it must be separate from not part of, but perhaps you have been using the verb 'to coexist' differently.
What do you get when you combine science with politics: politics
What do you get when you combine religion with politics: also politics.
I don’t believe your story, friend. Most in the field of science wouldn’t care…unless you were obnoxious and worthy of “Berating”.
How blessed was he to have heard C.S.Lewis speak!?
He’s a good man that has excellent examples of intelligent design by God.
Just god of the gaps explanations.
@@johnelliott5859there is no Gap in DNA.
It can only come from Intelligence deny it all you want but life has a Creator and it wasn’t Aliens.
I have read C S LEWIS he comes out with verbal diarrhea.intelligent design by god? Have you ever had a wet fart in public? What's intelligent about making us to be able to have a wet fart in public?!
Blessed to have heard a mere man speak? C.S.Lewis was gifted, but only a man. How much greater a gift have we all been given? We have the very words of God. Yet how many people fail to spend even 10 minutes/day truly studying and learning what the God of the Universe has to say to them? They read the Bible through in a year, but how much can they recall three days after reading a passage? How many verses have they 'implanted' in their life so they are an approved workman? How many people have they shared the Gospel of Christ with which we have all been commanded to share? How many people have they discipled after leading them to the Lord of the universe?
It's nice to listen to Dr. Lennox, but our preparation for the life in Christ begins with the Word and the Words of Christ.
@@genegroover3721 careful study of the bible will lead one to question one's belief in the christian god.
LOL My daughter has always loved math and singing. She began her college career with a major in Mathematics while minoring in Worship Leadership. At the time, my thought was "How odd, these seem to be opposing fields of study". But not so, for I now see they work beautifully together!
I'll link you a guy that's mathematician and musician.
ruclips.net/video/kc_Jq42Og7Q/видео.html
There also was a lawyer on here (RUclips) who talked about him knowing a lawyer who was also a musician.
*_God Bless_*
You would also be surprised at the underlying math in music. It's why I don't accept from people who can sing with perfect pitch that they can't do math.
There is actually a lot of math in music theory.
This man helped me one step further. His faith is so deep that he explains things so easily. Thank you sir, i will remember you fondly for your help!!!
Why did god design us to be able to have wet farts?!
@@DrMontague It beats the alternative of dying on the toilet like Elvis from constipation lol.
I just Love De Lennox’s way of describing the science and mathematics with their relation to God and the Creation. It’s just wonderful. God bless this amazing man!🙏
I didn't hear any mathematics.....I never do from Lennox......
@@mcmanustony no, he does not delve into formulae and so on all discussion, but if you really want to hear him speak of mathematics, just search for it and you'll find it.
@@SeekingHisWill77 where?
I was and still am hopeless in maths. I thank my mother for her grounding me in the Bible. 😊. Then I thank the Holy Spirit for coming into my life.
What a sharp mind. Thought provoking to hear Mr. Lennox articulate his faith.
*_God Bless_*
he is simply lying to himself. He has never really checked his own beliefs using his professional tools.
Amen! When I studied Physics in college I was shocked at the natural order of things. That convinced me of the Almighty.
*_God Bless_*
Classical Electromagnetism is my favorite in that regard. It continues to present us with sophisticated fundamental questions in addition to its obvious practical applications.
Also, Michael Faraday & James Clerk Maxwell were both devout Christians.
Why does “order” mean there is an “almighty”?
@@ryana1787What would the odds of the perfect positioning of the earth, sun and moon be to allow life by chance.
@@yasminet6355 Very good! Scientists have already identified many many planets across our galaxy that are in the sweet spot for water and life as we know it.
Just discovered John lenox ,I love how such intelligent people can put into words what I know in my heart.
*_God Bless_*
The heart is a pump.
You are talking about your amygdala 😂
John Lennox is great. I highly recommend you find more about him. He is a great example both of intelligence and moral character. He is one of my favourite senators and lecturers.
@@ProgressIsTheOnlyEvolution can you point to a single video where he talks about mathematics- the one subject where he actually has some authority. All if found is boilerplate apologetics and idiotic lies about evolution being in “crisis”.
This. I just recently discovered John Lennox, too. I just love the way he speaks, the way he teaches. I can't agree with you more. Knowing something and being able to explain it are two different things. He can do both. I can't lol. Well said.
Discovered John Lennox this evening watching Daily Dose of Wisdom where he destroyed atheism in 15 minutes........he is the most intelligent and interesting person I have ever heard........I will be listening to more of his videos
This is one of the reasons why I love homeschooling. You can ask & research the hard topics using Science, Mathematics, the Bible and very educated people in these fields to uncover Truth! The deeper I dig, the more awestruck & in love I become with the Creator. 🙌💞
You have convinced me you haven't a clue as to what constitutes as science.
@@Theo_Skeptomai You seem to be convinced a bit too easy for someone who understands and applies the scientific method to get to ones conclusions. (
Absolutely love Homeschooling for the same reason. Certainly in awe of the creator!
I once had a wet fart in public, I stopped believing in a supernatural intelligent creator!
John Lennox is a brillant man. I love how he explains things. Admire his faithfulness to the Lord and how he explains the connection between God and Science. 🙏
He didn’t really explain shit though…
@@Jaryism "Indoctrination of children by parents and care givers, school teachers etc. during the formative years of cognition subvert the natural inclination toward reason and understanding from experience i.e. reality, and replace it with a predisposition for evasion, mysticism, and emotionalism as adolescents and adults.. from which only a few escape ."
-Anon-
If made-up superstitious religious nonsense can fool the educated Dr. John Lennox, imagine what it could do to not-so-educated ordinary folks.
@@Jaryism Maybe you didn't listen if you think he didn't explain shit. LOL here's one. Human DNA contains the longest word humanity has ever discovered.
@@kurtwinslow2670 Human DNA like all DNA is a molecule not a word. It is orders of magnitude shorter that that of an onion. It is mostly junk.
Lennox is a retired mathematician. He is an expert on the theory of infinite soluble groups. Outside of that he's a dishonest arrogant fool.
Word based universe. Interesting. Absolutely like John Lennox, Mathematician and amazing Christian apologist. God is definitely real and the Bible is absolutely true. Created universe defined by laws and personal testimonies of Christ transforming our lives, including mine. God bless you all and fascinating discussion!
Excellent, Dr. Lennox helps Christians and atheists see that there is no discrepancy between science and the Bible 🙏❤️
Where did adam and eve shit?
Thank you for interviewing one of my favorite Christian scientists! Praise Father God Almighty for John Lenox! Shalom from Ecuador 🇪🇨
*_God Bless_*
I love listening to Mr. Lennox. He is such a blessing and you can just see and feel the love of Christ in him and his work.
Now, I have an even better analogy for the comparability of math to a vegetable: brussel sprouts. I despise them with a purple passion. Everything about them. Their taste, their smell and even how they look, and even their name. LOL!
the fact that you don't like brussel sprouts proves the existence of God. You're a genius!
@Lloyd Holiday I feel sorry for sad young atheists like you, trawling the Christian sites, and trying to prove your pathetic atheist beliefs.
I have expounded on Johns "Word based universe" explaination. Everything in existence is Energy at its basic level. Mass, movement, thoughts and sound. All energy. Energy is vibrations. Vibrations are sound. When God said "Let there be light" His voice, literally, was the Big Bang.
Before the universe there was God! Nothing has ever existed before God .
What are the mathematical odds that God existed before the universe and has no beginning and no end?
@@SteveV1960 There is no beginning and there is no end .
God was here before time,and God will be here after time.
The concept of time is irrelevant.
Time doesn't exist in heaven.
Scientists cannot grasp the concept of our Holy Creator .
I just discovered this guy randomly on RUclips. I love him!!
Same!
What do you love about him? Is it the irrationality or the lack of critical thinking skills?
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711Can you point out anywhere in the video where anything he stated was irrational? Or perhaps can you point out a place in the video where you believe he was not critically thinking?
@deebrightassociates Yes I can; all within the first twenty seconds of the video. He states that atheism gives him no explanation of why mathematics works. If he were using critical thinking skills to be rational, he would understand that atheism does not have anything to do with why mathematics works. Atheism only addresses one proposition; whether or not one is convinced in the existence of a god or gods. Whether or not mathematics works is irrelevant to being convinced of said proposition; an unfalsifiable proposition, that is. Also, it is irrelevant that Newton, Faraday, Kepler, etc were theists as that is an argument from authority.
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 I appreciate your perspective on this matter, but I believe there are a few points that need further examination. While it is true that atheism, in its most basic definition, deals with the lack of belief in gods or deities, it is important to acknowledge that worldviews often encompass more than just a single proposition. Atheism, in practice, often involves a naturalistic worldview, which seeks to explain the world and its phenomena without reference to the supernatural.
In the video when he mentions that atheism provides no explanation for why mathematics works, he is likely referring to the broader philosophical implications of atheism, particularly within a naturalistic worldview. Without invoking a higher intelligence or a transcendent foundation for the universe, some atheists find it challenging to account for the existence of abstract entities such as mathematical principles and the laws that govern them.
Now, it is true that the he might have misattributed the problem solely to atheism. It would be more accurate to say that naturalism, a philosophical position often associated with atheism, struggles to provide a satisfactory explanation for the existence and efficacy of mathematics. This point is not intended to prove or disprove the existence of God, but rather to highlight a perceived limitation within certain atheistic worldviews.
Regarding your mention of Newton, Faraday, Kepler, and other theistic scientists, it is true that appealing to authority alone does not prove a position. However, their beliefs are relevant in this context because they serve as examples of highly influential and accomplished scientists who found harmony between their faith and their scientific pursuits. Their belief in a rational Creator provided them with a framework to understand and explore the order and precision of the natural world through mathematics.
Sorry, Lennox is going down his usual "God of the Gaps" argument in his usual simplistic style. He uses his (considerable) knowledge of mathematics to bamboozle and obfuscate, hoping the slight of hand isn't noticed.
If he simply said "I don't know, neither does anyone, so I'm simply depending upon faith" that would be fine. His obvious intelligence only leads to the conclusion he is being deliberately insincere at best...
Thanks for bringing this man on your channel to share his knowledge about God. A few people can do this. God bless both of you 🙏🙏
Lennox at 1:47: “I was a teenager at the time when I discovered that it was quite clear that science didn't give us a full picture.”
This is an amusing statement. Christianity and the Bible give no picture of reality only, only fables, myths, and no knowledge or information on the world and the universe.
I am an engineer.
And I am also a Pastor.
The more I study science and the bible, I realise they confirm each other.
The bible explains science even better than most mad Scientists do.
Ohhh yess, you know those Kabbalists that wrote the Bible such as the KJV? Yeah, Quantum physics is based on the Kabbalah. Fractal Flower of Life right?
Same here, I am an engineer and a Preacher.
It's amazing to me that anyone can look at the design of this world and think it happened by accident.
Maybe if you cherry pick a few small places. There are numerous science errors in the bible.
@@johnelliott5859 Where?
John Lennox is so silly. Math works therefore god. Has not proved: That there is a god. What god's properties are. Why math and god are connected. Why the universe should not be rational without god. John Lennox is the king of non sequiturs. Debunking his arguments is the work of seconds.
There are several books that do a nice job discussing this. One is "The Language of God" by Francis Collins. Learning the reality of science and creation has buttressed my faith like nothing else.
I lost faith in God and became (I thought) an atheist while still a teen. It was science that led me to this decision simply because I did not understand faith. One who understands faith can see God's logic in science and math. When John Lennox mentions the human genome, he nails it! Faith comes only to those who allow it and don't fight it. Facts like how unlikely the human genome simply "happened" by chance can lead us to explore faith. As a young adult, I realized that faith comes to those who explore it. Once we comprehend faith, God becomes obvious.
I love mathematics and pretty good at it and I'm a believer too.
2 + 2 = 5 when you throw god into the equation. Nothing makes sense then.
"Personally, I look forward to the day that religion is merely a matter of historical reference. "
-Anon-
@@bruha321 2+2=5 makes about as much sense as 0+0 equaling a universe. Yet we're here, someone is wrong.
Here's one for you. I can prove from a scientific prospective that life only comes from life i.e. that's the observable phenomena.
Based upon this fact as we currently know it through observation. What is the most rational belief for the creation of reality as we know it? Nothing + nothing = reality or life + life = reality for life not rocks perceive existence.
@@kurtwinslow2670 Bro, we are literally already standing on 70 years of growth in a field of science called prebiotic chemistry. Appealing to an unknown creator just because you don't know something is complete intellectual bankruptcy. The absence of knowledge is not evidence of a creator, it is only evidence of lack of knowledge.
@@raulhernannavarro1903 Bro, life is much more complicated than simple sequestration of amino acids in the proper order. Seventy years as you say and what do you have? Seventy years of intelligence poured into a process and still no results. Either the intelligence is lacking or the task is daunting.
One of the issues facing current scientists is that there's so much information and many are concerned and consumed with their little corner of knowledge.
A broader application of the current knowledge of known molecular biology is needed and rarely considered by many in their quest for knowledge and truth.
For instance, the next time you consider the mixing and creating amino acids to form the building blocks of life. intertwine amino acid formation with the formation of biological machinery.
Biological machinery is what the amino acids are formed into.
I doubt you'll look at this video because you already have your mind made up. This isn't a religious video it's Ted Talk and it's a 9 min presentation\ animation of the molecular machinery needed in order to unravel DNA for new cell division and growth.
70 or 70 trillion years, it's highly improbable that random processes could achieve this one necessary step of life i.e. the unwrapping of DNA.
The video link is below, just copy and paste.
ruclips.net/video/WFCvkkDSfIU/видео.html&ab_channel=TED
Dr. Lennox is such a blessing to believers. May God bless his words to penetrate the hearts of unbelievers.
If you are a that good why haven't you legalized inset then if science is that good
Don’t forget about music. Music is literally math and science. Anyone who has studied music theory will see this. His fingerprint is on everything. Also, did you know the element carbon “man” has 6 protons 6 electrons and 6 neutrons? 666. The number of a MAN. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
Distribution of Nobel Prizes by religion between 1901-2000, the data tooks from Baruch A. Shalev, 100 Years of Nobel Prizes (2003), Atlantic Publishers & Distributors, p.59 and p.57: between 1901 and 2000 reveals that 654 Laureates belong to 28 different religion. Most 65.4% have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference. Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards.
While separating Roman Catholic from Protestants among Christians proved difficult in some cases, available information suggests that more Protestants were involved in the scientific categories and more Catholics were involved in the Literature and Peace categories.
Atheists, agnostics, and freethinkers comprise 10.5% of total Nobel Prize winners; but in the category of Literature, these preferences rise sharply to about 35%. A striking fact involving religion is the high number of Laureates of the Jewish faith - over 20% of total Nobel Prizes (138); including: 17% in Chemistry, 26% in Medicine and Physics, 40% in Economics and 11% in Peace and Literature each. The numbers are especially startling in light of the fact that only some 14 million people (0.2% of the world's population) are Jewish. By contrast, only 5 Nobel Laureates have been of the Muslim faith-0.8% of total number of Nobel prizes awarded - from a population base of about 1.2 billion (20% of the world‘s population).
according to the data judeo/christians who invented mordern science when the greatest monastiry (oxford, yale, harvard, stanford, ...) became the most highest universities praising god and searching for truth inherit ~85% of ALL nobel prizes.
in contrast atheism (the religion of deny) has less then 5% most of them in litrature and not even scientific.
now ask yourself what "litrature" atheism gave
Your operation system was designed by an atheist
The structure of your DNA was discovered by two atheists
Christianity was The murderously enforced state religion across much of Europe for many centuries. I grew up in a place called “Gallowhill” where Christians routinely murdered “heretics” including notoriously small children.
This might have something to do with its prevalence.
Rather than your bigoted sneer at atheists why not ask what role religion actually played in any of the physics/ chemistry/ medicine prizes
I totally believe you can’t separate God from science as HE is the greatest scientist of all!. It is astounding and uplifting to hear Mr Lennox share this. It resonates with my spirit! Thank you both for sharing God, yes, HE is the Word!
Well I wouldn't say God is a scientist, as he doesn't need to discover the universe or conduct experiments on creation. He created everything perfectly, including the materials, forces and laws by which everything exists and is held together. He does however test the hearts of men.
@@actorjay "At any moment, and across any lifetime, the choice is always either/or: either follow your reasoning mind, or abandon it and place something above it. There is no “middle-of-the-road.”
-Peter Schwartz-
…..& unicorns really exist because u cannot prove otherwise. There is absolutely no evidence of God so u could claim ur imaginary God to b anything. Do u have any objective evidence to support ur claim? That the God u describe is real & that it is the ultimate scientist?
@@friedricengravy6646 Hey, I actually lost sleep last night contemplating my reply to you. I am no theologian, and it looks like I commented on this video about 8 months ago. It’s only been about 12 months since I responded to God….I had ignored that relationship for about 37 years….so my personal experience with God is one that has included, like any relationship, some challenges. If a relationship is ignored, not nurtured in any way, it easily leads to disaffection. I would say that is how my relationship with God was, until February of 2022. I had moved forward with life at age 23 and didn’t include God, didn’t seek Him and although Christian principles had been ingrained in me as a young person I know first-hand now that it’s not possible to live those principles without Christ! I just heard someone say that Christ knocks loudest when we’re young, and the longer we ignore Him, the fainter it becomes. I didn’t hear a knock last year. The word “surrender” was in my thoughts. I wasn’t in crisis, I wasn’t “seeking God, but I knew what it meant. And I knew where it came from. It was the most unnatural thing to do, try to close my eyes and pray. My dog was staring at me, I was distracted. But I did, and I asked Christ to forgive me. I wanted to surrender my life to him. I wanted to re-establish our relationship. Again, this came seemingly from nowhere, but I do believe it was now or never last February. I had been to the point of mocking God and Christians as I had walked this life without Him for so long. I told my husband the next day that I was prepared to be rejected for my decision to dedicate my life to Christ but I had responded to God and I could no longer ignore Him. I am grateful he didn’t reject me. I mean really, I invited someone else into our marriage, lol, it isn’t just he and I! But my husband encourages me. He is not feeling the same conviction at this time. He does believe, but walking the walk so-to-speak is not foremost on his mind. So this is my experience. There is no object that will prove God’s existence to someone. God’s Word, the Bible, is what we’ve been given to learn the heart of God. My heart has been changed, is still changing and my relationship with God, through His Son Jesus Christ, is a daily relationship! I would point anyone to the source, God. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Let Him know you want to know Him. I was voicing things out loud I came to question, things I inherently believed as a young person, being raised in a Christian home, attending church, experiencing God at a young age. God didn’t reject me for it. It’s like He was waiting for me to even care again. So my comment about God being the greatest scientist is my acknowledgment that God is my creator, the Creator of everything (Genesis 1-11).
@@anitathompson6571 With the upmost respect, couldnt u have replied no, there is no objective evidence to prove the existence of God? To show good intentions, I’ll offer u a shorter answer, faith can only exist without evidence. If there was objective evidence of God, it would b truth/fact, not faith. Stay well & best of luck with ur relationships. Sincerely.
A brilliant author & teacher I have had the privilege of meeting. The laws of science suggest a Law Giver makes a great deal of sense to my mind. Rather than asking is it God or the laws of science behind the origin of the universe, we can see best explanation is both. God ('agency') uses scientific laws ('mechanism') to create an orderly universe out of nothing. John Lennox helped me understand that many years ago.
As an artist with a gallery - I often refer to the beauty of the world as 'God's business card.' Nothing can't make everything, nor can nothing create everything & make it as beautifully & complex as the world we live in.
I kept waiting and waiting for some brilliant explanation like you guys are saying, nothing happened and the interview was over. Lennox just name dropped Enlightenment scientists who believed God was responsible for math, gave zero examples, done. I thought he’d bring up some crazy shit like perfect circles, the infinite, integration of time, and some crazy paradoxes pointing to God… nope, just inserts “math exists, it must be God”. What a damn waste of 10 min
so what do you want to see? a miracle to believe?
@@miguelchavez8347 No... convincing either philosophical argument or empirical argument. I got neither, just a lot generalizations of "said things exist... we can't seem to explain them in the physical world easily, we've been puzzled over this metaphysics for thousands of years.... therefore--> Christian God is true". Again, I'm all for hearing Kalam Cosoligical, Teleological, Congingency arguments, arguments for design/complexity, etc. or even GOOD Van TIlian Presuppositional arguments, but this was absolute bullshit, just a waste of time and question begging by Lennox.
@@miguelchavez8347
Yes! That's not much to ask, or is it?
@@TestequipIt probably wouldn't help you.
The Children of Israel saw God perform the ten plagues in Egypt, walked through the Red sea on dry ground, then stood under mount Sinai as God Himself descended on it in fire and smoke then they heard the actual voice of God speak the ten commandments. They fell away less than two months later. Seeing does not give one faith.
It's a heart issue.
@laststand6420
It seems you quoting from the Bible.
The Bible also has talking snakes, talking donkeys, and people climbing out their graves.
Concocted phantasmogorical beliefs/stories spread by word of mouth by Bronze Age hunter gatherers and sheep herders and copied and pasted numerous times ad infintium doesn't make something true. It's akin to stating that Harry Potter can walk through walls and the evidence is on page 17 paragraph two in JR Rowlings book; The Philosophers Stone.
I'm referring to actual evidence - not something written in a Bronze-Age Encyclopaedia Britannica book.
An all powerful deity will know exactly what "miracle" it will take to convince present day mankind. There are no excuses. Period!
Hi
The original Hebrew text of the Bible is mathematically constructed, as Ivan Panin the great Russian mathematician discovered to his chagrin! He WAS an atheist wanting to DEBUNK the Bible and God, but was humbled and saved in the process! HalleluYa
Shalom to us only in Christ Yeshua returning soon to reign over the world from Jerusalem forever.
Panin wasn’t a mathematician at all.
Just speechless in listening to this Godly man! Praise The Lord for such Genius Servants of God
In College, I carried a double Major--Biology and Art. It was Biology that brought me to the conclusion that God Is, has been, and will always be. I believe that those people who do not want to believe is because they do not want to give up the they enjoy the pleasurable habits they have formed. Just my opinionate belief.😁 😁 😁.
So your education pointed you to an invisible deity who created everything?
Jesus Christ is coming back friends, all the signs are here! Repent today, choose heaven. Romans 10:9-10, you are loved!!!
Maranatha
Modern Quantum Physics has shown that reality is based on probability:
A statistical impossibility is defined as “a probability that is so low as to not be worthy of mentioning. Sometimes it is quoted as 1/10^50 although the cutoff is inherently arbitrary. Although not truly impossible the probability is low enough so as to not bear mention in a Rational, Reasonable argument." The probability of finding one particular atom out of all of the atoms in the universe has been estimated to be 1/10^80. The probability of just one (1) functional 150 amino acid protein chain forming by chance is 1/10^164. It has been calculated that the probability of DNA forming by chance is 1/10^119,000. The probability of random chance protein-protein linkages in a cell is 1/10^79,000,000,000. Based on just these three cellular components, it would be far more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the cell was not formed by un-directed random natural processes. Note: Abiogenesis Hypothesis posits that un-directed random natural processes, i.e. random chance formation, of molecules led to living organisms. Natural selection has no effect on individual atoms and molecules on the micro scale in a prebiotic environment. (*For reference, peptides/proteins can vary in size from 3 amino acid chains to 34,000 amino acid chains. Some scientists consider 300-400 amino acid protein chains to be the average size. There are 42,000,000 protein molecules in just one (1) simple cell, each protein requiring precise assembly. There are approx. 30,000,000,000,000 cells in the human body.)
Of all the physical laws and constants, just the Cosmological Constant alone is tuned to a level of 1/10^120; not to mention the fine-tuning of the Mass-Energy distribution of early universe which is 1/10^10^123. Therefore, in the fine-tuning argument, it would be more Rational and Reasonable to conclude that the multi-verse is not the correct answer. On the other hand, it has been scientifically proven numerous times that Consciousness does indeed collapse the wave function to cause information waves of probability/potentiality to become particle/matter with 1/1 probability. A rational and reasonable person could therefore conclude that the answer is consciousness.
A "Miracle" is considered to be an event with a probability of occurrence of 1/10^6. Abiogenesis, RNA World Hypothesis, and Multiverse would all far, far, far exceed any "Miracle". Yet, these extremely irrational and unreasonable hypotheses are what some of the world’s top scientists ‘must’ believe in because of a prior commitment to a strictly arbitrary, subjective, biased, narrow, limiting, materialistic ideology / worldview.
Every idea, number, concept, thought, theory, mathematical equation, abstraction, qualia, etc. existing within and expressed by anyone is "Immaterial" or "Non-material". The very idea or concept of "Materialism" is an immaterial entity and by it's own definition does not exist. Modern science seems to be stuck in archaic, subjective, biased, incomplete ideologies that have inadequately attempted to define the "nature of reality" or the "reality of nature" for millennia. A Paradigm Shift in ‘Science’ is needed for humanity to advance. A major part of this Science Paradigm Shift would be the formal acknowledgment by the scientific community of the existence of "Immaterial" or "Non-material" entities as verified and confirmed by observation of the universe and discoveries in Quantum Physics.)
This is simply incredible and awesome. Never ever knew this side of math and science
There is no such side of mathematics or science.
Lennox is a pompous l, dishonest fool.
Okey, explain how mathematics works to explain Christianity......not inspiration or fascination etc. Please give factual examples, an equation would be good.
What a brilliant man, blessed by God what an amazing interview!!
Which god?
@@andrewfrank7222 the one that gave you the probability of 1:400trillion chance to live. Hitting the lottery was easier than that haha
@@ash210ify Wasn't 1 in 400 Trillion chance... My parents live in neighboring cities and had sex.
@@andrewfrank7222 that sex produced you.. 1:400trill chance yet again lol
PASSOVER, WAY TO ETERNAL LIFE.
(Please open the Holy Bible and read the undermentioned Biblical verses 'real time' to understand this write up better).
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The observance of the Passover is God's command.
Exo 12:10-14
God's command in Old Testament times.
Matt 26:17-19
In New Testament times as well.
Why did God issue such command ?
Jn 6:53-54
To raise us up on the last day.
How does he plan to effect his plan?
Lk 22:7-8 & 19-20
Through the passover of the New Covenant.
What happens to those who obey this command?
Rev 21: 4
They go to Heaven.
Those who don't ?
Matt 7:21-23
They don't go to Heaven.
Therefore, the Holy Passover of the New Covenant is the only way to eternal life.
Amen !
To learn more, please type WMSCOG on your browser or contact a member of the Church of God World Mission Society.
Note: These verses are only to enhance your already existing knowledge about the scriptures, not to hurt anyone's feelings.
Nice, I watched several John Lennox videos and get a new one in my feed the same evening. Love it.
"Throughout history, wherever religion has dominated, freedom has disappeared."
-Peter Schwartz-
@@BeefT-Sq Whenever government dominates freedom is reduced historically too. What this indicates to me is that balance in life is essential. I don't think throwing out all forms of governance is an acceptable answer to the issue. The same goes with religion in my opinion. Balance is the key with most things in life. Each can and should have a place in humanity.
Noah and His Ark Problems...
Even if Noah could acquire the impossible amount of wood needed to construct it, however, we run into further problems. The Ark would have been a sizeable fraction of the size of an aircraft carrier or a battleship, and a wooden boat that size would have been too leaky and flexible to withstand the stresses of global flood conditions.
1. ~7.77 million species of animals (of which 953,434 have been described and cataloged)
2. ~298,000 species of plants (of which 215,644 have been described and cataloged)
3. ~611,000 species of fungi (moulds, mushrooms) (of which 43,271 have been described and cataloged)
4. ~36,400 species of protozoa (single-cell organisms with animal-like behavior, eg. movement, of which 8,118 have been described and cataloged)
5. ~27,500 species of chromista (including, eg. brown algae, diatoms, water moulds, of which 13,033 have been described and cataloged)
Conclusion: Noah supposedly took two pairs of each animal. That means Noah at least has to fill and feed more than 10 million animals in his ship (if we exclude animals living in sea and include insects). Neither description of ark in Bible can satisfy this demands nor any ship ever builded in human history. Story of Noah is probably written by people who thought there were at most several hundreds of species living in the world. Using The Evidence Shows The Ark Could Not Be True... It's Just a Made up Story's “No amount of Evidence will Ever Persuade an. Ignorant Person.”
Dr. Lennox expresses classical apologetics, evidential apologetics and presuppositional apologetics. It would be better, I believe, for Christians to stop arguing about one of these as opposed to the others. We have and can properly use and testify to all beginning points of apologetics. I am glad to see Kirk giving thanks for all forms of apologetics. May Jesus Christ be praised!
Guys watch Chuck missler if this intrigues you, come holy spirit move among us 🫶🙏🙌
Missler was a crook and a halfwit
Really enjoyed this. Sharing it with my Bible Study group.
"Formally, I call it Objectivism, but informally I call it a philosophy for living on earth. You will find an explicit presentation of it in my books, particularly in Atlas Shrugged."
-Ayn Rand-
" Imagine the Gideon Bible being replaced by Atlas Shrugged on the hotel nightstand as a source of spiritual inspiration for the weary traveler."
-Anon-
"Atlas Shrugged came significantly later in my exposure to Objectivist literature. It is only as of late that I am gaining an appreciation for some of the more subtle intricacies of Miss Rand's nuances."
-Anonymous-
How about this... how God's Son and the spirit point to God STOP WITH CARNALITY you cannot understand God with the carnal mind... I don't think Jesus was teaching math and science in any thing he said HE WAS TEACHING HIS FATHER...
One of the fascinating facts for me about math is that we have a finite number of numerals (0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9) who coincide with the numbers of fingers we have, that enable us to express infinity in multiple dimensions (positive numbers, negative numbers and fractions). And that’s just elementary school math. It’s like God build into our body a clue that is so simple yet it can help us grasp eternity/infinity. Math is beautiful.
Now if we can only find some evidence for God...
Sounds like u appreciate math. That is not objective evidence for God or the God described by the Christian faith.
@@friedricengravy6646 You said math doesn't prove the existence of God, Your correct. Yet math infers the existance of something. Show me observable evidence where conscience come from anything but consciousness. No one has observed rocks that are self aware. Simple math at it's basic foundation demands that nothing + nothing will always equal nothing contrast with what we observe concerning consciousness. That consciousness + consciousness will always = consciousness.
There's no proof but a strong inference based upon present observation that there's something out side of this universe that's conscience. The same could be said for motion, entropy and energy too.
@@friedricengravy6646 In the 70s, Hawking and others came to the conclusion that there was a definite beginning for time and space (up until that point, secular scientists believed there was no beginning and the universe had always been.) Upon discovering there was a beginning based on the fact that light is still expanding outwards from a specific moment in time, many scientists thought this discovery was devastating to their atheism, and the term Big Bang was originally used as a derogatory term. Somehow these scientists reconciled their beliefs to the discovery and decided something came from nothing. They had to suppress their own knowledge that this has never happened before and cannot be explained, but in order to keep their “faith” alive and not believe in god, that’s what they did. The Christian God said “Let there be light, and there was light.” And the universe was created. I do not have to reconcile my faith with the science. They work perfectly together.
@@christianpitman5185 Nothing u wrote provides any evidence for God. Its as if u all really don’t understand that there is not a God default option. If science has not explained something, this does not prove magic or God to b real.
It's the HOLY SPIRIT that's make you a believer in CHRIST, not science, the creation declares HIS handy work
Thank you for addressing the severity of the teaching of evolution. Most people don't realize how effective this lie has been. The real tragedy is that the creation model is much more credible. As a Bible teacher, I've also had many mothers coming to me and telling me that their children left the faith due to the teachings of evolution. A common remark, "Mom, how can you still believe that stuff?" And for the most part, the church does very little to combat this. I have devoted much time and energy to fighting this lie of the devil. If any anyone is interested, I have an in-depth presentation with an accompanying slide show in which I have argued and pointed out the absurdities of the beliefs of many icons of evolution, i.e. Dawkins and Krauss. I would be more than happy to share this with anyone interested. I can assure you that it's laid out in a format that would be easy for anyone to present. And with the help of a Hebrew scholar, it presents views that incorporate modern day physics in a way that actually verifies the Genesis account.
Evolution is an established fact. Religions hates it because it does away with "an invisible sky wizard poofed everything up one day using a magic spell". Genesis is a primitive bronze age myth. Education is pulling peopel away from primitive supersitions? Good!
Lenox, atheism is not meant to explain any thing, It simply means refusing to praise any of the gods invented by men, which is all of them
What a stupid worldview lol
This man is seriously a legend, he singlehandedly puts a stop to atheist giants like Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher hitchens too.
Even Hitchens brother Peter is anti atheist
I will give it to John Lennox, he certainly has the ability to lie with a straight face. But when John Lennox mixes with people like Kirk Cameron any credibility he thinks he has goes right out of the window.
It seems that believers today are not satisfied with just "faith", they need to be shown "evidence", and it's why there are people like Lennox and WCL around to manufacture it. All religions are called 'faiths' for a reason, there is no evidence for any of them. If you prove one you prove them all.
Finding out the earth is stationary and that the Bible backed that up is how my faith in Jesus jumped through the firmament.💕💕
The earth is stationary? Who told you that? The earth is rotating around it's axis (through North and South pole) and it's circling arund the sun. Additionally the axis somehow tumbling. It's position in reference to the (possibly infinite) universe depends on where you put the reference point.
If John loves math so much, and it supposedly convinced him to believe in God, why does he reject the Genesis 1 account of creation ? Since he loves math, he should count the genialities in Genesis chapter 5 and 11. He will see the biblical timeline is about 6,000 years, not 13.7 billion years. Then he should reason God is correct, and the Big Bang is a myth, right ? No, because apparently Lennox holds secular timelines as more authoritative than Gods holy word ! He has a Very serious foundational problem !
if math and science made john lennox a christian, why then don't most mathematicians and scientists arrive at the same conclusion?
praying for you. Delusions of grandeur is a symptom of psychosis. Seek help now!
@@bruha321 agreed. Believing that the architect of the universe cares about what you do, what you think, what you eat, is the highest form of narcissism and self-importance imaginable. Yes those people need professional help.
Why ask why?
@@freddyfurrah3789 because the unexamined life is not worth living.
Valid question
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John Lennox is exemplary and his books are magnificent.
Trinity is not that mysterious if one have God in him or in her. Simply, if there's God that caused the Universe, bigger than Universe, then He can be whatever He wants be, human inclusive. Any body doubting the ability or the willingness of God to be human, to be whatever He chooses to be, does not truly believe in the existence of God.
I have always struggled with math. Even to the point that as an adult I would freeze up when numbers were needing to be used. But then I went back to college (Christian college) at 40. I found out about the golden ratio and how amazing numbers and God are. It was from this my love of math developed. I can now fully understand number sequencing and formulas once my perspective was in alignment with Gods word.
This is utter nonsense
@@mcmanustony why would that be nonsense? I struggled to understand math until it was connected to something I love. It made it concrete for me. This is basic knowledge of working with children. If they struggle with a subject you connect it with something they enjoy.
@@crystalgilliam3006 You can no more demonstrate the "word of god" than you can raise the dead. You struggled with mathematics then you you found something that clicked. Well done. I had a similar experience. failed until age 14 when I realised the cosine rule was a generalisation of Pythagoras's Theorem, I found it beautiful and went on to study mathematics to the research level. No word of god, Shiva, Allah, Mithras, Ganesh, Wotan etc. was involved. There is not word of god you can point to....
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Amen, awesome. Intelligently explained. Bless you. 🙏😊
Fine Tuning for life is very controversial, it isn't accepted by all scientist
8:08 He actually spoke of the fine-tuning of the UNIVERSE for carbon-based life, which it totally wrong. So far we know of only ONE place in this universe which allows carbon-based life - our earth.
Math and Science can't make anyone a Christian.
Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
"If there's any sensible question to answer, I believe that it is done via philosophy. Whatever it is that makes religion "religion" -- mystical claims to knowledge, a belief in the supernatural, etc. -- are mistaken. Whatever is left over that is good about religious institutions, including a sense of community, artistic inspiration, charitable organization, etc., is no less available to the secular and the rational."
-Anonymous-
This is true it always boils down to your belief system we reject or accept what coincides with what we believe.
Don't know why math works? It must be god. That is a god of the gaps and we know what has happened to all the other gods who were used to explain unknowns.
The fact that all those scientists were believers is meaningless since the church controlled societies at that time and virtually everyone would have been considered a believer.
Lennox is a lovely speaker, but his god is just a gap filler.
Thank you for having this great discussion gentlemen!!
I love John Lenox's explanation of science
, math, the creation is word based;
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God..", "...and God said"
That explains nothing ….it’s just pompous assertions delivered without evidence
*_God Bless_*
Please stop saying 'math' - it's 'maths' which is an abbreviation of what John calls 'mathematics' (note the plural),
Wow, math and science leads me to the complete opposite…how illogical religion, all of them are. How you can square the religious fantasy with math and science continues to astound me.
That's a fallacy, to think that math and science point to God. It just doesn't.
as time progresses, and we learn more about the world with science, Gods existence is only seeming less and less likely.
Love how easily this conversation slides into worship. Praise God!
Amazing how selfish God if he exists is. Imagine if you told your spouse or someone you love if they did not worship you, you would make them suffer forever! That is ultimate selfish behavior. Wake up. God is clearly evil if he exists at all
Energy is constant its neither created nor destroyed it just takes another form! Dr Albert Einstein If we believe that Our mind our soul our spirit is Energy it is immutable cannot be destroyed! K
Glory to God!!
Psalm 119:89 - For ever, O Lord, thy *word* is settled in heaven.
John 1:14 - And the *Word* was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Once try to know about the secret behind the origin of the natural numbers - Hindutwa encoded - what to talk of its real significance that brings humanity face to face with all. the eternal truths and realities represented by them ,when decoded successfully and realized!!
As a mathematician I can only agree with John Lennox, there are good arguments for God. And among these, one by Leibniz convinces me the most: a version of the argument of 'eternal truths' put forward by Augustine and ultimately going back to Plato. Leibniz argues that spaceless and timeless immaterial truths, such as the laws of logic or mathematical theorems, apply independently of any real world and can therefore only be grounded in the Logos of God. Following Leibniz, there must be something that this non-material reality is based on: that something is God »as the ultimate basis of the being or nature of things that are possible - and of necessary or eternal truths: 'If there were no eternal substance, there could be no eternal truths'. God is seen as the root of what is possible, for his spirit is the realm of ideas or truths.« [ Maria Rosa Antognazza, »Leibniz, a very short introduction«].
It is not without a certain irony that materialist atheists, for whom thought is ultimately mere "reflexes" (as Dennet once explained), claim "truth" and logic (obviously two immaterial categories) for their supposed 'knowledge'. And if they think that using logic and mathematics, they can explain a naturalistic materialism in which neither of them actually exists (or is ultimately just "reflexes"...). 😆😆😆
As a mathematician, don't you wish he'd shut up about Jesus for five minutes and talk about group theory?
@@mcmanustony No! (I am not so narrow minded ... 😉)
@@Sfenx_Muenchen what branch of mathematics do you work in ?
2+2 = 4.. how does that prove the existence of a personal savior? Lennox talks much and says little.
I always thought complexity in something suggested a designer but apparently alot of ppl apply that to everything except God for some reason.
God created us in his image therefore we are like God not the other way around. We aren't making God in the image of a man to make us feel good, but God made us like him, and everything is a reflection of his creativity such as math and science. Not to mention the god head of the trinity explains our relationships with each other and why we love. God is love and we are given a little piece of it to share with each other like the god head does with each other.
“What you manifest now is a reality of what was inside you”
-Prophet Joel
Well, NO .. mathematics does not prove a creator. I am certain many other professors of mathematics would totally disagree with his claim. Still, if people wish to believe in him because he is a dear old man who tells a good story with a certain persuasivenesss then so be it.
If you can't explain something it must be God.
IF YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN YOU MUST BELIEVE IN REALITY AS A FRAMEWORK CREATED BY GOD, IN WHICH HUMANS ONLY EXIST AS SINNERS. THE CHRISTIAN GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MATH AND SCIENCE.
I heard of a college professor who would tell his class at the beginning of the semester: "Before GOD created anything, He created algebra." You have to give praise to GOD for those things that don't require faith, but are tangible to establish and build one's faith.
Before giving my heart to Christ I went to see a fortuneteller at the recommendation of a friend. This woman used Tarot cards to read my fortune. She laid them down on the table in front of me and told me according to the meaning of the cards what was in my past, present, and future.
Everything she stated was perfectly precise in what was transpiring in my life at that time: everything from recent events in my life to the decisions I had just made for my future. I was just an immature kid out of high school; but I had enough sense to ask, “Who shuffled the deck?” This clearly was no coincidence-no random stroke of luck.
This experience taught me a very important lesson even though I was not a Christian at this time: there are controlling forces outside of our ability to control our own destiny.
A mind like yours can be tricked into believing anything. I strongly recommend that you take two courses: Mathematics 101, Physics 101. Pay careful attention to the PROOFS and to the concept of EVIDENCE.
Take a course in magic and mentalism to discover how easily you were fooled
Didnt offer one reasonable example of how science of math point to a God. Thats because there aren't any!
I've taken 6 classes of Prof Lennox's. One of the most influential and instrumental men in my life.
What a waste
@@MrChiangching Yes, every life, that rejects the blood of Jesus ..is an ETERNAL life wasted indeed.
@@kee7678 I don't believe in blood magic and their associated cults. Neither do I believe in child sacrifice.
@@MrChiangching "There are none so blind, than those who refuse to see". Ignore the evidence if you choose. I pray you wake up and realize you soon, you have a savior who paid your price so that you don't keep on your path to hell. I used to think just like you. Be warned, ....you're a sinner, and can be saved. Good luck.
@@kee7678 There's no such thing as luck. Get help,these delusions can be cured.
Physics is a description of our universe. So of course it describes our universe.
Why can’t the universe be described if there is no god?
John Lennox should also be taught in schools and college!
Neither atheism nor theism holds a position on math. Math doesn't hold a position on the supernatural.
Scientists, Mathematicians are simply observers of His creation.
if you want it to be... but not really
Not one "scientific" hypothesis that is pro god points to a particular religion. Oooopps
Oh absolutely gold hearing Johns explanations.. I’ve just come across him - nearly said ‘by accident’ then realised def not by accident but purposefully thru the Holy Spirit directing me today. Kirk I’ve liked & subscribe because I can’t wait to watch more wonderful videos about our Awesome creator God 🙏🏼❤️
This guy might have eaten books what a knowledge he got.👍
Studying physics and the light came on… impossible without a creator.
That's an opinion not a fact
@@mcmanustony so what exactly is the fact?
@@iblivs21 your question is meaningless
@@mcmanustony if you think that it's an opinion and not a fact; then you must know what the fact is, right?
@@iblivs21 I know plenty of facts. That’s not what you asked. You asked what “the fact” is. You might as well ask what “the number” is.
Your question is meaningless.
Have another go.
Didnt god create everything? So why do so many doubt science?
The more you discover about science and math and our world around us, the more you see how Great is our God
Speak for yourself
I spent 7 years studying mathematics at the university level.
I began as an atheist and am still an atheist.