mate, I havent played any age of empires games for many many years, I've got no real interest in playing it but you are a fantastic caster, can't get enough of these top level games.
I feel like Abbasid should just get one free tech in the house of wisdom each time they age up. I love the theme of it, but having to wait for the wing, then PAY for the upgrade, then wait for the upgrade... sets them so far back. Eco wing to age 2 gets you free foodstuffs. Military to age 2 gets you free camel support, and then if you went eco to age 3 you get free agriculture and have to pay for foodstuffs as before. Eco wing is clearly the best feudal, but even then its not as good as people think. Fresh foodstuffs costs 175 res. Which means it takes 7! vills before it even breaks even. It's not that Abbasid get a good 2 TC boom, they are just forced into it to get any landmark effects.
Yes, it takes a while to pay off, but Fresh foodstuffs is still the best early game eco tech in the game and 2:20 is a pretty fast pay off time for an eco tech. Not even wheelbarrow nets you 75res/min that early into the game or pays off as fast. I don't know who introduced the idea that Abbasid has to 2 TC boom. It's just incorrect. They have a very good feudal eco on 1 TC. Small example: Like this game we play out a long feudal age until ~15:00 minute mark. French get faster villager production and Abbasid get Fresh foodstuffs and golden age. Even with the initial investment Abbasids come out ahead by roughly 200 ressources which makes it pretty even. This does not consider the faster berry gathering rate, not having to walk as much due to double the berries or the french discount on drop-off buildings. Considering these would tip it more towards the Abbasid. In short: Don't play 2 TC vs french. Play 1 TC with horsemen harass and spears.
@@insaneshepherd8678 I don't disagree, but remember it's not 'an eco uograde' it's their landmark. Dome of the faith saves you 75g per scholar, silver tree saves you 75 res per trade card both training faster than 1 Min and neither requiring the initial investment into an upgrade. Rus Golden Gate gets you 50res per Min of your choice. Hell even the meinwerk palace is going to save you a few 100 res on those feudal upgrades not even counting the wood savings from it and the other production landmarks. Now obviously at the end of the day vills are much better than all of those, so it will pay off much more eventually. But it really is that initially investment that seems to trap a lot of people is my point.
@@chronographer It's a bit weird. Yes, it's their landmark, but at the same time it's only a part of it because you unlock more techs in the same wing as you age up. Doesn't help in feudal of course. I get what you're saying, though. It's just too damn slow sometimes to get the bonus going between the age up time and the tech time and cost. I'm mostly trying to get the word out on playing 1 TC Abbasid. It feels like many players are stuck on the 2 TC approach and then complain about the civ being slow which is a bit ridiculous imo. While I don't think the civ needs a buff, maybe shifting some power from fresh foodstuffs into an inherent civ bonus could be good for them to improve their early game pacing and make the other wings more viable.
Yoooo I was busting up when you were talking about the villagers and their little knives 😂 but the guy from Futurama you’re thinking of was Roberto he was the crazy knife guy
The game has so many problems that I just cant play it. I want to but why deal with a broken game when so many better games exist. Just waiting on the fixes that might take a year haha.
If you go by winrate abbasid sits in the middle of all civs on land maps and probably shouldn't be buffed. Their horrible water just drags them down. They mostly look bad in tournaments because everyone plays 2nd TC is rush which is not their only strategy. On one TC Hut would have had a better eco than viper, on two he just loses to the pressure.
@@lucas9430 Sure, but the perception that Abbasids have a low winrate on land maps, and thus need a general buff, seems to be widespread, but it's incorrect. I agree that their water needs buffs, but Water needs bigger balance fixes anyhow.
@@travisdunlap4526 You're probably looking at overall winrate. If you filter for land maps they are consistently placed 5th or 6th out of 8 through all elos.
@@asdfasdfuhf From the last patch notes: "Right now, we’re looking into strengthening the Abbasid Dynasty, improving counterplay vs. siege weapons, tuning demolition ships, ensuring elephants and mounted cavalry units no longer attack faster when their animation is cancelled, and a variety of other changes."
I haven't really thought about it but the fact that Abbasid gets nothing from their landmarks except for the availability of certain techs (which you gotta pay for and wait for it to complete) is really weird. It would make sense if that was balanced by some other strong bonus or unique unit, but the Abbasid don't really have that either.
@@insaneshepherd8678 Based on what data? If you don't go 2 TC you have no meaningful bonuses though except for free siege engineering. So yeah they are bad. That doesn't mean they can't win games or w/e. Of course you can still win and do good as Abbasid. But you would be doing better if you played another civ.
Camels are available at castle age... That's why the Viper wanted to fight at feudal age I think. By the way at castle age you can simply switch to arbalests, that's not a big deal to counter the anti-cavalery units of the abassid dynasty
@@midas-holysmoke7642 camels are light units, crossbow doesn’t do bonus damage to them. Abbasid is generally weak early since they typically go double or triple TC boom, French players got to put pressure to them early, can’t let them comfortably making villagers.
@@midas-holysmoke7642 camel archer is available in feudal but camel riders are castle age, as is healing from keeps. Early French aggression is a pain to deal with and probably impossible if your opponent is decent.
@@fanzhang5568 yes, mass archers will also pick the more expensive and non healing camels apart quite quickly. The abbasid composition just isnt there yet. Maybe in a few more patches.
@@Arrkail people attack Abbasid early cus Abbasid is a slow to build but they are robust. With stone walls in age 2, you can hold more. The camel archer takes long but he is sturdy and reliable, alone can fend off 3 archers, provides the camel buff against Calvary early
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mate, I havent played any age of empires games for many many years, I've got no real interest in playing it but you are a fantastic caster, can't get enough of these top level games.
+1
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I feel like Abbasid should just get one free tech in the house of wisdom each time they age up. I love the theme of it, but having to wait for the wing, then PAY for the upgrade, then wait for the upgrade... sets them so far back. Eco wing to age 2 gets you free foodstuffs. Military to age 2 gets you free camel support, and then if you went eco to age 3 you get free agriculture and have to pay for foodstuffs as before.
Eco wing is clearly the best feudal, but even then its not as good as people think. Fresh foodstuffs costs 175 res. Which means it takes 7! vills before it even breaks even. It's not that Abbasid get a good 2 TC boom, they are just forced into it to get any landmark effects.
Yes, it takes a while to pay off, but Fresh foodstuffs is still the best early game eco tech in the game and 2:20 is a pretty fast pay off time for an eco tech. Not even wheelbarrow nets you 75res/min that early into the game or pays off as fast. I don't know who introduced the idea that Abbasid has to 2 TC boom. It's just incorrect. They have a very good feudal eco on 1 TC.
Small example: Like this game we play out a long feudal age until ~15:00 minute mark. French get faster villager production and Abbasid get Fresh foodstuffs and golden age. Even with the initial investment Abbasids come out ahead by roughly 200 ressources which makes it pretty even. This does not consider the faster berry gathering rate, not having to walk as much due to double the berries or the french discount on drop-off buildings. Considering these would tip it more towards the Abbasid.
In short: Don't play 2 TC vs french. Play 1 TC with horsemen harass and spears.
giving them camel riders for 2nd age will fix the issue of early knights from Russ and French.
@@greyraven9164 Yeah that's actually a really good idea
@@insaneshepherd8678 I don't disagree, but remember it's not 'an eco uograde' it's their landmark. Dome of the faith saves you 75g per scholar, silver tree saves you 75 res per trade card both training faster than 1 Min and neither requiring the initial investment into an upgrade. Rus Golden Gate gets you 50res per Min of your choice. Hell even the meinwerk palace is going to save you a few 100 res on those feudal upgrades not even counting the wood savings from it and the other production landmarks.
Now obviously at the end of the day vills are much better than all of those, so it will pay off much more eventually. But it really is that initially investment that seems to trap a lot of people is my point.
@@chronographer It's a bit weird. Yes, it's their landmark, but at the same time it's only a part of it because you unlock more techs in the same wing as you age up. Doesn't help in feudal of course.
I get what you're saying, though. It's just too damn slow sometimes to get the bonus going between the age up time and the tech time and cost.
I'm mostly trying to get the word out on playing 1 TC Abbasid. It feels like many players are stuck on the 2 TC approach and then complain about the civ being slow which is a bit ridiculous imo.
While I don't think the civ needs a buff, maybe shifting some power from fresh foodstuffs into an inherent civ bonus could be good for them to improve their early game pacing and make the other wings more viable.
viper used the attack speed bug with the knights, they really have to fix that shit
13 mins game, French against Abbasid. I wonder who won?
"The Australian Barbarian" sounds like an introduction to me
5:05 theres a stabby guy in futurama too, i see you
Yoooo I was busting up when you were talking about the villagers and their little knives 😂 but the guy from Futurama you’re thinking of was Roberto he was the crazy knife guy
HuT and Aussie Drongo part of the Aussie Posse
5:15 I immediately knew who he was talking about starting laughing my ass off hahaha, the futurama crazy clamp guy! I'LL GIVE EM THE CLAMPS!
That knight animation cancel is a real problem...kind of invalidates spears.
The game has so many problems that I just cant play it. I want to but why deal with a broken game when so many better games exist. Just waiting on the fixes that might take a year haha.
I still enjoy watching someone play the Abbasid
"the Lord of the wasteland.the ayatolla of rock n rolla" doesnt rhyme but sure worked for the Humongous!
mate, Thunder from Down Under.
Is it the Hut from SC2 times, Idra times?
The Australian Mammalian!
Thunder from down under
always when you say ,, it is the one the only,, i always know its viper
it's sad to see that abassid can just do nothing against french knights. They really need a buff.
If you go by winrate abbasid sits in the middle of all civs on land maps and probably shouldn't be buffed. Their horrible water just drags them down. They mostly look bad in tournaments because everyone plays 2nd TC is rush which is not their only strategy. On one TC Hut would have had a better eco than viper, on two he just loses to the pressure.
When calculating win rate you need to account for all maps... If they are that terrible on water or hybrid maps they need something to bring them up
@@lucas9430 Sure, but the perception that Abbasids have a low winrate on land maps, and thus need a general buff, seems to be widespread, but it's incorrect.
I agree that their water needs buffs, but Water needs bigger balance fixes anyhow.
Looking at the latest patch numbers, at higher ELOs this is no longer correct. Abbasid are just flat out losing.
@@travisdunlap4526 You're probably looking at overall winrate. If you filter for land maps they are consistently placed 5th or 6th out of 8 through all elos.
best comment ever from lidakor reguarding HRE "with a small buff(re demo ships) you can then snipe the opponents TC"
Wait can you still animation cancel after the patch? Didn't they remove that?
Not yet, supposedly coming in the Feb patch alongside Abbasid buffs.
@@BoltHardcheese Oh wait, but so it is true that animation cancelling is going to get removed? :D
I wasn't completely sure on that.
@@asdfasdfuhf From the last patch notes: "Right now, we’re looking into strengthening the Abbasid Dynasty, improving counterplay vs. siege weapons, tuning demolition ships, ensuring elephants and mounted cavalry units no longer attack faster when their animation is cancelled, and a variety of other changes."
The Australian Barbarian?
abbasid are a good team civ to combo with. i wouldnt use in a 1v1. But pair camels with an artillery civ in a team game and they are very strong
Problem is sniping 2 landmarks is way too easy and you can't really build the HoW far apart
@@resil1724 Agreed . Its messed up. Been snipped so easy before.
Playing Abbasid is kind of like playing with a handicap at this point.
Especially against French, which is like playing with cheatcodes.
I haven't really thought about it but the fact that Abbasid gets nothing from their landmarks except for the availability of certain techs (which you gotta pay for and wait for it to complete) is really weird. It would make sense if that was balanced by some other strong bonus or unique unit, but the Abbasid don't really have that either.
It's not. Abbasid winrate on land maps sits in the middle of all civs. They are not bad at all. People just need to stop forcing 2 TCs every game.
@@insaneshepherd8678 Based on what data? If you don't go 2 TC you have no meaningful bonuses though except for free siege engineering. So yeah they are bad. That doesn't mean they can't win games or w/e. Of course you can still win and do good as Abbasid. But you would be doing better if you played another civ.
@@mujmujmuj Honestly even building siege isn't that great.
"Too much for me daddy"
Aussie drongo rhymes well
I love abbasid. I rarely see them win in high level games though. I main them in 1v1 but I'm only 1050 elo.
AUSTRALIAN ALIEN
"Australian Mammalian"
Drongo, you crack me up in nearly every video. Love your videos man
if you are going age 2 with abass, you need to start with military wing. camel archers then buff your infantry
Except that’s not even such a great play because camels are slow, expensive, easy to snipe, and don’t heal.
You can go mil wing vs french, but I'm not sure if it's worth it. I think you'll be fine on eco wing. The big mistake this game was going 2 TC.
@@AgoristDryad Camels are not slow. They are as fast as knights and with their upgrade as fast as horsemen.
@@insaneshepherd8678 They are when your trying to run into or out of archers and realize you have 0 ranged armor.
Love the videos Drongo!
“Australian Maelstrom”
damn that was fast
would love an edit of these videos where you don't give the top 10 professional players advice on how to play lmao
Thunda from down unda 1:00
The Australian mammalian!
Will love to see some castings of AOE-2 DE, by you
What's with the title? Archer and knight is literally the most commonly used combo
Was it not Abbasid has camels? Why not attack using camels both camel archers and camel riders to figbt royal knight
Camels are available at castle age... That's why the Viper wanted to fight at feudal age I think. By the way at castle age you can simply switch to arbalests, that's not a big deal to counter the anti-cavalery units of the abassid dynasty
@@midas-holysmoke7642 camels are light units, crossbow doesn’t do bonus damage to them.
Abbasid is generally weak early since they typically go double or triple TC boom, French players got to put pressure to them early, can’t let them comfortably making villagers.
@@midas-holysmoke7642 camel archer is available in feudal but camel riders are castle age, as is healing from keeps. Early French aggression is a pain to deal with and probably impossible if your opponent is decent.
@@fanzhang5568 yes, mass archers will also pick the more expensive and non healing camels apart quite quickly. The abbasid composition just isnt there yet. Maybe in a few more patches.
Just give them camel riders in Feudal age and they will be good.
Australian Regalian or Australian Pygmalion
THe strength of abbasid comes from their walls and camel archers
but they're super expensive and very slow to train very useless.
not sure what special about abbasids walls?
@@Arrkail people attack Abbasid early cus Abbasid is a slow to build but they are robust. With stone walls in age 2, you can hold more. The camel archer takes long but he is sturdy and reliable, alone can fend off 3 archers, provides the camel buff against Calvary early
@@silver2zilver all civs have age 2 stone walls tho?
@@thefirst165 also a single ram can cut thro them like butter
@@Arrkail
Yeah, a single Ram can cut through them like Butter.
If that Ram is completly ignored for a Minute or so.
The Aussie, Saucey?
THE CLAMPS!!!!
Australian Hellion
Australian Pomeranian !!!
The Viperrrrr love ❤ it man
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17th... Austrailian Mamallian?
Reptilian?
Ah yes the new meta of abusing Animation canceling. So much fun
Australian mammalian
mammalian australian
somebody please tell him its "Die-nuh-stee" not "Deh-nusty" or however he pronounces it
We use UK English in Australia, so it is di-nusty
@@electronicmusicofjapan-emj9882 that was my second thought on perhaps it might be just a dialect thing. fair enough
lets goo
The Austrayn Saiyan
Too early to finish the match.
Weak on viper using animation cancelling on spearmen with his horsemen. Lame.
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