I always enjoy when the customer starts out saying they don't want a bunch of small industries and then as you design plan after plan to incorporate their comments it ends up as a bunch of small industries. Patience is definitely part of the job description!
Really efficient use of the space and a nice operating layout. A lot of work went into learning and creating the big plant, thanks for leaving it in the video for us to see, even though the client you planned it for did not want to use it. I’m sure it will serve as inspiration to one of your other subscribers.
You sir are an artist. I'm always amazed at your ability to render these beautiful layouts in some of the most difficult of spaces. Your imagination, imagery and well planned layouts are second to none. As always I look forward to future videos.
Peter, having lived in Marquette you may have heard of St. Mary’s Paper in the Sault. It ceases to be, but 15-20 years ago it was a bustling industry. And more importantly it was a rather compact facility. Taking in pulpwood and chips and shipping out newspaper grade paper. If you’re ever asked to spec out a paper mill again, check it out.
Well you have done it again, a great layout and even given a lot of great ideas too, looking forward to seeing more nex TV week....thanks for sharing Jack 👍👍👍👍
I need to go out and re check my long staging tracks, but I think that I have 11' to 12' of track. That is in the 25 to 32 car range depending on era with 3 x SD4-2 or 4 GP38 for power. That is a lot of train.
11-12' is a good length train inn N scale, as you said. The longest staging track in this plan, at around 15', is almost half a scale mile. There are only 4 really long staging tracks on this layout; the remainder re restricted to about 7-8'. Thanks for commenting.
Nice plan Peter. I have to agree with not having one large complex here, the final plan shown seems to have a nice mix that could fit in most locals. I really like the idea of using a partial building along the fascia with detailed interior, it could make for a nice focal point. Cheers
I realize you did your part of the job. I wonder how many of the plans you do get built in the long run. Even if someone else does the building of the layout I would think there's a certain satisfaction in seeing your ideas come to life
You truly have quite the talent for planning Peter, and this is ANOTHER superb example!👍 I'm really enjoying your videos, and especially like how you run thru the evolution of the plan, and the specifics of the industrial areas. I would like to see the length in scale miles of mainline run mentioned: from the appearance to disappearance from staging. Kudos! Charlie P.S. Who's the nutjob that gave this a thumbs down???!!!😂
That was amazing what you fitted in, and he was asking for more to be added and what surprised me you could oblige, well done; roll on n gauge it won hands down. Like the small rooms in UK comment and endorse that, my childhood layout was oo gauge, double track main with inner goods all secured permanently to 4 walls bedroom size 8'6" x 8'6" a lift out bridge for access, I slept under it. That lasted several years until my Flying Scotsman got derailed ....... by a maggot and all then pulled down - flour paste used in scenery was food source plus very damp and poorly ventilated room so had to sort room out, redecorate etc! Stephen
This looks really good. Love the development as the thought process changes. I can't understand how the helix is working. In the plan at 16:51you show four parallel track. The inner two are the reversing loop for the left hand end of the layout. The third track is rising with trains coming from the left hand and the fourth is rising with trains coming from the right hand end of the layout. Do these two tracks join at the top of the helix? I can only see the third track emerging from the helix.
The two outer tracks are the helixes. They diverge at the top with no physical connection. The outer helix is the main line crossing in front of the door, while the inner helix makes one additional lap and emerges by the grain elevator.
@mpeterll thanks - that makes sense. So something leaving the storage yards going ant-clockwise would appear crossing the swing gate and continue going anti-clockwise. While something leaving the storage yard going clockwise would appear at the grain elevator and continue clockwise. Neat.
are industries done that way. staggered down the rail line? looks very busy and I ask because I would think you would want them spaced apart to promote the running of the trains for deliveries and pick-ups.
That's almost the exact same dimensions as my high-ceilinged tiny house that I hope to move into in about a month. Though I think I can squeeze in a shelf layout at loft height, I'll have to be far less ambitious than this. The constraints will be severe. Still, nice to see what is possible on this scale. Thanks for the inspiration.
I feel like I'd want to be able to close the door to the room if kids or pets were visiting. Making it swing the other direction or more bifold or pocket style are options too but not always viable for the building or ownership (or spouse!) situation
That's what's puzzling me to...it does not take much to reverse the door and even if it opens into the hallway, it does not say open, on the contrary., you open, enter, close. Would've gained that corner and use a simple lift or draw bridge instead of swing gate at the entrance. Even in a rented house it could be negotiated with the owner.
In most cases, it takes me around three hours to do a critique of a layout design. I bill $50/hr, putting a typical plan critique at $150. If you are interested, please contact me via my web-site: superiormodelrailroads.com
I always enjoy when the customer starts out saying they don't want a bunch of small industries and then as you design plan after plan to incorporate their comments it ends up as a bunch of small industries. Patience is definitely part of the job description!
Really efficient use of the space and a nice operating layout. A lot of work went into learning and creating the big plant, thanks for leaving it in the video for us to see, even though the client you planned it for did not want to use it. I’m sure it will serve as inspiration to one of your other subscribers.
You sir are an artist. I'm always amazed at your ability to render these beautiful layouts in some of the most difficult of spaces. Your imagination, imagery and well planned layouts are second to none. As always I look forward to future videos.
Peter, having lived in Marquette you may have heard of St. Mary’s Paper in the Sault. It ceases to be, but 15-20 years ago it was a bustling industry. And more importantly it was a rather compact facility. Taking in pulpwood and chips and shipping out newspaper grade paper. If you’re ever asked to spec out a paper mill again, check it out.
Well you have done it again, a great layout and even given a lot of great ideas too, looking forward to seeing more nex TV week....thanks for sharing Jack 👍👍👍👍
Great to see a well thought out n gauge layout - thank you
Very informative Peter. I've got a 13' x 11' layout which I may need to repurpose in a room this shape.
I need to go out and re check my long staging tracks, but I think that I have 11' to 12' of track. That is in the 25 to 32 car range depending on era with 3 x SD4-2 or 4 GP38 for power. That is a lot of train.
11-12' is a good length train inn N scale, as you said. The longest staging track in this plan, at around 15', is almost half a scale mile. There are only 4 really long staging tracks on this layout; the remainder re restricted to about 7-8'.
Thanks for commenting.
Nice plan Peter. I have to agree with not having one large complex here, the final plan shown seems to have a nice mix that could fit in most locals. I really like the idea of using a partial building along the fascia with detailed interior, it could make for a nice focal point. Cheers
As always, a great use of space and nicely designed!
I realize you did your part of the job. I wonder how many of the plans you do get built in the long run. Even if someone else does the building of the layout I would think there's a certain satisfaction in seeing your ideas come to life
You truly have quite the talent for planning Peter, and this is ANOTHER superb example!👍
I'm really enjoying your videos, and especially like how you run thru the evolution of the plan, and the specifics of the industrial areas.
I would like to see the length in scale miles of mainline run mentioned: from the appearance to disappearance from staging.
Kudos!
Charlie
P.S. Who's the nutjob that gave this a thumbs down???!!!😂
Dang Peter Just wanted you to know I'm still working towards winter"starting My lay-out
Admire your work !!
That was amazing what you fitted in, and he was asking for more to be added and what surprised me you could oblige, well done; roll on n gauge it won hands down. Like the small rooms in UK comment and endorse that, my childhood layout was oo gauge, double track main with inner goods all secured permanently to 4 walls bedroom size 8'6" x 8'6" a lift out bridge for access, I slept under it. That lasted several years until my Flying Scotsman got derailed ....... by a maggot and all then pulled down - flour paste used in scenery was food source plus very damp and poorly ventilated room so had to sort room out, redecorate etc! Stephen
One hint. Rehang the door to open outwards, giving a clear view as you enter.
This looks really good. Love the development as the thought process changes. I can't understand how the helix is working. In the plan at 16:51you show four parallel track. The inner two are the reversing loop for the left hand end of the layout. The third track is rising with trains coming from the left hand and the fourth is rising with trains coming from the right hand end of the layout. Do these two tracks join at the top of the helix? I can only see the third track emerging from the helix.
The two outer tracks are the helixes. They diverge at the top with no physical connection. The outer helix is the main line crossing in front of the door, while the inner helix makes one additional lap and emerges by the grain elevator.
@mpeterll thanks - that makes sense. So something leaving the storage yards going ant-clockwise would appear crossing the swing gate and continue going anti-clockwise. While something leaving the storage yard going clockwise would appear at the grain elevator and continue clockwise.
Neat.
are industries done that way. staggered down the rail line? looks very busy and I ask because I would think you would want them spaced apart to promote the running of the trains for deliveries and pick-ups.
Great design!!
That's almost the exact same dimensions as my high-ceilinged tiny house that I hope to move into in about a month. Though I think I can squeeze in a shelf layout at loft height, I'll have to be far less ambitious than this. The constraints will be severe. Still, nice to see what is possible on this scale. Thanks for the inspiration.
Always wondered why the door into the room is not either removed altogether, or turned to hinge outwards - gains quite a bit of space.?
Rodger, my guess is either it's a rented house or there would be severe interference with adjacent bedrm/closet doors in the hallway?
I feel like I'd want to be able to close the door to the room if kids or pets were visiting. Making it swing the other direction or more bifold or pocket style are options too but not always viable for the building or ownership (or spouse!) situation
That's what's puzzling me to...it does not take much to reverse the door and even if it opens into the hallway, it does not say open, on the contrary., you open, enter, close. Would've gained that corner and use a simple lift or draw bridge instead of swing gate at the entrance. Even in a rented house it could be negotiated with the owner.
Approximately how many hours does it take to design a layout like this?
When reverse loops are incorporated into a plan do you discuss automation and or what electronics are involved? Thanks Mario
Nice layout, thinking of moving, and the new train room is larger, so i Would expand my 5x91/2 layout
What do you charge to look over plans?
In most cases, it takes me around three hours to do a critique of a layout design. I bill $50/hr, putting a typical plan critique at $150. If you are interested, please contact me via my web-site: superiormodelrailroads.com
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