The Magnus Archives vs. Bury Your Gays
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Also one thing I didn't make clear enough: Gay people just exist in the world of TMA, casually and all the time as statement givers, family of statement givers, etc. There's no One Gay or One Episode Where They Acknowledge The Gays Exists. It's just a fact of life. Which makes it less likely for me to latch on to any one character as The Representation the way I've latched onto Melanie for her disability.
And then there's The Mechanisms, which if you ask me their entire discography is a masterclass in how to write tragedy that involves queer people and Jonny's obviously very involved with the writing there. I just didn't mention it in the video because I hadn't started listening to them yet when I wrote and recorded it.
And to be clear, I don't necessarily agree that Daisy is queer-coded, but if you want to make that argument I literally cannot stop you, knock yourself out.
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Technically speaking the podcast did bury its gay protagonist. He just uh, didn't die before he got buried.
I absolutely cackled thank you so much
PLEASSEEEEEE rip jon
I don't know I feel like the All but braindead coma between seasons three and four should count?
@@kristinaschulz7540 nah, he was too spooky to die
Wasn't Daisy buried as well?
Summary, they died in tma cause their in tma not cause they’re gay
Just saying this probably wouldn't have even happened if they'd unionized in season 1
obsessed with this comment
LMAO FUCK YOU"RE RIGHT
How do you unionize against someone that can quite literally scramble your brain?
@@sevendeadlysins5303 he can't scramble all of their brains at once
I... wow.
This comment kinda shocks me because IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. We also know of two sister locations to the magnus institute: The Usher Foundation and the Pu Songling Research Centre. This job of archiving supernatural statements is big enough that there really should already be a Supernatural Archivists Union
Bravo
I know he’s not a particularly major character (ok, he’s only in five episodes but he’s my favorite character so shh) but Oliver Banks is one of my favorite queer characters in the podcast. I just love that the grim reaper is a gay ex-accountant turned metaphysical shop employee with several fake identities. absolute madman.
tbf Oliver isn't the grim reaper. We get to see the grim reapers in MAG 29. I love the fact that no matter what, every single grim reaper carries tabletop games in order to gamble with souls
@@torcaace Yeah imagine dying and the Grimm Riper pulls up and goes: "Ay bro, wanna play Jenga?"
@@pessoaaleatoria2586 "i challenge you to a game of Warhammer 40k/AoS. Winner gets to keep my soul." And then the Grim Reaper pulls out an entire wargaming table and warhammer army out of their ass.
And then the soon to be dead guy just keeps doing That Guy moves, stalling the game as much as possible
@@torcaace lol
"Bury your gays" Jon and Daisy, episode 132:
I think its easier to excuse some things that John has done because he legitimately had no power over the entities controlling him, and despite unknowingly ending the world, he himself had no real authority, while Daisy explicitly and admittedly used the Hunt to abuse her authority and power as a police officer
But like thats the whole point of post-coffin Daisy. She knows she fucked up, she knows she did terrible things, and she doesn't want to sugarcoat it. She accepts her own responsibility in doing those things because she actually had agency over her actions.
The worst things John did in his own agency were force people to relive their traumatic experiences, and that's horrible, but the worst things Daisy did of her own agency were literally hunt down and kill innocent people.
I think this really discounts the pull both of them had from their respective patrons.
Daisy's ties to the Hunt definitely led her to being a authority figure but Jon's ties to the Eye definitely kept him searching for information even after he found out he could leave the institute. It's been a bit since I listened to the end of season 4 but Jon knew that Jonah needed him and if Jon really wanted to take himself out of the equation, he knew how and didn't because of his desire to know. Inversely Daisy was abstaining and letting herself wither away because she had decided she wasn't going to aid the Hunt anymore and only did so as a last resort to protect those she cared about.
Also Daisy admitting to giving in to the hunt is a lot different than her "using the hunt" to abuse her authority. Trevor was also taken in by the Hunt and he was able to use his status as a tramp to his advantage so I would just view it as the Hunt making use of whatever the target has at their disposal.
I would also argue that sometimes, death is not the worst thing you can do to a person.
Daisy is definitely more outwardly and aggressively hostile and damaging but Jon is too, it's just more subtle. When I think that sometimes the eye might not be so bad to have happen to a person, I think about that statement from the woman Jon accosted in the coffee shop. It sounds lingering and traumatic.
@@leamteam ok but like, jon had to blind himself to escape. That's not easy.
@@leamteam also let's not forget about the fact that each person Jon targeted had to see him in their dreams as they relive their trauma each night and feel as if he was watching them in the day time as well. That's basing of what the woman said and some extra stuff season 4.
Frankly both did awful stuff, and the debate of agency is always abundant, but yis, I don't think Jon's torture is any better than Daisy's
I am a firm, "Jonah is gay but cares more about immortality than anything else" believer
I think the thing with Daisy & Basira that differentiates them from other people controlled by the powers is that they engage in police brutality, and the institutionalized system of that is really triggering and harmful for a lot of people, so yes the point of the show is to question their power and agency as characters - but also there are extremely valid reasons not to like or trust Daisy and Basira as characters even given the show’s nuance
i agree. i also think a good question to ask is what has john done vs what has daisy done and the impact it has had on people. also johnny has said himself that he has characters in here like daisy so that explore the topic of police brutality bc he himself has been impacted by it. so i don’t think daisy is really in the story to be redeemed. she’s there to be a sort of question/exploration on this topic.
Yeah cuz it's one thing to excuse someone turning a blind eye to their girlfriend committing murders and it's another thing to excuse turning a blind eye to your friend/partner
Tma is like: everyone gets to be buried :)
Tma: the buried doesn’t discriminate
but that homophobic vase is still around.
😭
The fact that barely anyone remembers it-
The vase that takes stuff?
How is it homophobic?
@@jennifervan75 it's a joke, it took the male statement giver's husband
@@jennifervan75It ate that guy's husband
"They're both arguably still alive"
Gjgjjk who's here after 179
Bsjdhdhd meeeee
ME NSJRIWJRJAR
Ha, I’m here after 200…
I AM NOT OKAY
If I'm being honest, I think Melanie and Georgie are the lowest on the "Probably Going to Die" list tbh. The 2 of them are the most far removed from The Powers that, in addition to what you said and the fact that I feel like Jonny wouldn't do that, I just don't even think it'd be like. A logical move at this point
And you were right
LESBIAN TUNNEL CULT
Jon being Ace was one of the absolute moments that cemented my love for Jon and the series.
Well, we now know how it ends, but I also feel the same about John's fate. Jonny has said that he himself flip flops on whether or not he thinks they both died of if they went somewhere else, so I guess it depends on what you think happens in the end. Personally, I'd like to think they survived, but I also agree that if they for sure died I'd still be satisfied with the end, because it fit with the story. It feels like a natural ending to the story and not a jab at the audience for some sort of reaction.
I think it makes the most sense for him to be dead. The Web got what it wanted out of him, so there was no longer any reason to keep up the pretense of him having agency anymore and he became what he had always ultimately been since it first marked him: a corpse.
1:42 From what I’ve heard, the podcast was originally intended to be a strict anthology series with Sims playing himself as a kind of Crypt Keeper who reads the stories. Then they turned it into this epic, long story, but they kept the character’s name
in an interview they said that Alexander newall asked Jonny Sims if he wanted to change the character's name and Jonny was like "nah it'll be fine" and now we have Confusion (which gets even more confusing if you're into the mechanisms bc Jonny DVille)
Actually, from what I heard on the podcast itself- TMA was always going to have this huge epic meta narrative that they'd planned out from basically the beginning. I think the IRL Jonathan Sims never actually thought the podcast (and he himself) would become as popular as it has.
Spoilers
Absolutely love how gorganie’s character arc went from “girlfriends who drive to therapy” to “girlfriends who lead a cult of survivors in post-apocalypse London”.
I think Georgie’s going to have some significance later, with her inability to feel fear
Especially since the reason she can't feel fear is because she was touched by the End, which is supposedly the entity responsible for the fact that the "closed circuit" of the fear world is doomed to fail. There's a lot they can do with that connection.
reading this now,,
I genuinely think this is the first analysis/video essay I've seen on TMA. And I've been looking for them! thank you!
I think Jon and Martin are going to die and I'm slowly becoming okay with that.
I JUST WANT MELANIE AND GEORGIE TO LIVE HAPPILY WITH THE ADMIRAL
Welp
Hey! Omniscience isn’t supposed to let you see the future!
Ok well I guess it wasn’t completely right
Late to the party, but my headcanon is that Martin didn't kill him, just cut John's eyes out and they live happily ever after in another dimension 😅
@@teszter704I like that headcanon.
Only got half way through so I might comment again but the comparison of Melanie/Georgie to a wild crackship Cecil/Ryan mashup just... I lost it, thanks so much for pointing out the bizarre way that would look to the public at large
I know this is so very late, but this video single handedly validated my Ace identity. I came out to a group of individuals about a year ago and they were all supportive. That was until I made an off handed comment about me not being sure if I was lesbian Ace or bi Ace or whatnot yet, and one of them went off on me, telling me that wasn’t how it worked, you can’t be Ace and Bi at the same time, etc. etc. They demanded proof for my understanding, told me my source wasn’t one (how am I supposed to get a source for that kinda thing? Dig up a scientific study about it?) and never provided their own. By the end of it I was legit crying because I felt like I was wrong about my identity and like I was just trying to get attention. They didn’t say that, but that’s how I felt. When you off handedly said Jon was also either bi or pan, my entire being felt so validated. Thank you. Thank you.
As a biromantic asexual myself I've been there. I had known I was bi for years, just never came out about it (I have now about both identities, most of the responses have been positive so that's nice), as I delved a bit deeper into the LGBT+ community I very quickly realized I might be ace. I got so worried about it, started thinking I had to choose one or the other or that I'd never find anyone because my identity would be too specific. It was only until I was watching some random video and was scrolling through the comments that I found a comment thread about biromantics, I accepted the identity in an instant and haven't looked back since. I didn't really tell people about any of this as when I did come out it was as biromantic (although at first I just said I was bi and ace in the hopes that it would make it easier to understand, it unfortunately did the opposite in some cases), but I'm so sorry it's been hard for you. It's hard enough to figure these things about yourself out without people second guessing you about it. In case no one's told you yet, you're valid and can be more than one thing.
I don't understand why they would say you can't be both (well... technically I do. Technically speaking it is unrelenting ignorance but that isn't the point of my comment). The Aspec is a completely different stackable category of LGBTQIA+. Everyone has some location on four spectrums (that I specifically know about, there may very well be more and there may very well be different interpretations of the same spectrums I know): Cisgender to transgender, Heterosexual to Homosexual, Allosexual to Asexual, and Alloromantic to Aromantic. They are completely separate spectrums of identity so your location on one does not effect your location on another. Even the classifications I give are classifications so there are probably exceptions, anyone that tells you that you cannot be both Lesbian/Bi and Asexual is someone that probably needs to re-evaluate their understanding of sexual identity
You don't find Jon's sexual issues problematic as all hell? I always got the sense he was supposed to be "damaged" by his childhood encounter with Mister Spider, that maybe it was a foreshadowing of how nobody can reproduce after the apocalypse. Also, I suspected he might have been molested by that creepy teenager he (maybe) inadvertently fed to it, but that probably says more about me than it does about Johnny Sims and/or Alexander J. Newall.
@@Anon26535 I’m… confused- what about John’s sexuality is problematic? That’s really weird to say. He didn’t assault anyone, he’s done nothing wrong. Maybe you just didn’t word this correctly?
@@crystalcrusader8832 That him being ace is implied to be the result of a supernatural evil. Seems kind of invalidating when you think about it.
Daisy being a unrepentant sadist kinda fits the themes of the story, John is constantly trying to prove that his actions are no longer his own while daisy aggressively holds onto everything she dose bieng her choice alone.
There basically approaching the same personal disaster from opposite ends.
Post coffin daisy is coming to realise that the little voice in her heart telling her that what she's doing is good and right may just be completely wrong.
John meanwhile is struggling to accept that there is nothing at all sopping him from just.. not doing any of this.
Did we listen to the same podcast?
Jon was a full avatar, if he cut himself off from the eye HE WOULD DIE. He has a responsibility to mitigate the damage as much as that's actually possible, yes, but not to kill himself just so other people don't have to suffer.
Daisy, on the other hand, didn't become a full avatar until the season four finale. Before that point, fully cutting herself off would be extremely painfully but still survivable. Jon just doesn't have that option.
@@caitlinanzovin1146Martin points that out to Jon and I've always believed he's right. Jon will die properly if he tries to cut himself off from The Eye. We see in ep.131 that Jon doesn't just heal rapidly but trying to injure himself is near impossible.
It always surprised me how many people seem to miss that Jon, like Annabelle Cain and Oliver Banks, physically died at the ebd of season 3 and from then on is running off eldritch fear power to live. I don't think Jon would have survived the world changing back. Annabelle Cain is very cagey about if Jon will actually survive and stated she can't live without The Web.
great analysis! i love tma so much, but sometimes i forget widely accepted fanon like cane user jon isn’t canon. i wish there were more trans/disabled characters, but as a whole i think it’s pretty good rep. i love daisy, and it breaks my heart that people trash her so much. yeah she kinda sucks, but especially if you’re an elias/peter lukas stan, it’s pretty trashy to fixate hate on her.
How would he even need a cane? His arms instantly heal and he can’t even cut a finger off?
@@esoopthederp7672 I think the implication is that he needed a cane before as well so that wouldn't be, for lack of a better term, "fixed" once he became an avatar?
personally i like to think daisy is gay because she growled one time and it was very hot and i’m gay. yes her violent acts are irredeemable and her character development is very complex but she’s a werewolf and she growled so i want her to be gay because, please bite me lol!!! also she’s a little too fruity about basira for being a police partner but that’s a whole other can of worms 🐛
What?
I think the funny thing is there's pretty much 0 confirmed straight characters.
Julia is probably the closest as only ever showing interest in men (and has multiple mentions of relationships) or Jerred since he made a homophobic jab and jon/martin.
I'm super late for this comment but WHEN WAS GERRY HOMOPHOBIC WHATTT
@@Dumpsterfire_Duck They meant Jerred the meat dude. He had a really deep voice and took out John’s ribs
The fact that Jonny pronounces both "Jared" and "Gerard" the same way is so confusing, I totally understand the confusion. But yeah, like the above person said, Jared Hopworth did make a comment in his final episode.
Rosie?
The homophobic pot?
Came back to this and this discourse is hella funny because the only survivors were 2 canon and 1 heavily coded queer women
also daisy being commonly head cannoned as a butch lesbian/trans woman/gnc is just sus to me because everyone just decided to hc the violent cop as gnc... wonder why none of the well loved female characters (melanie, georgie, og sasha) are characterized as such
@@xclaudgilesx5873hi! the commentor's point is that more headcanon daisy as that, not that other characters aren't. in that sense their logic still stands
Hi as a person watching this after 192 was released melanie and georgie are canonically dating! Also the amount of people I see headcanoning melanie as butch/gnc is a lot sooo
Also her chosen name is Daisy kinda fem
I saw much of headcanons of Georgie being enby and og Sasha being trans and I really like it
I mean but that's not why she's headcanoned as that, is it? Its just another part of her character
Watching this after the full podcast has ended really hits different
It HURTS
Jon’s death was mostly hinted at in season five. It was heavily implied that he could not survive without the eye
It's implied throughout season 4 and practically confirmed by Annabelle Cain. She's damed cagey about if Jon will survive the plan to pull the fears through the gap on Hill Top Road. Jon's deterioration without the Eye in Upton House was like a trial run to see what would happen.
I'm convinced all true avatars that wasn't strong enough to accompany their patron through the gap died after the fears left.
Daisy's redemption arc (of sorts) was a very interesting twist on the usual idea of redemption. usually, redemption arcs center around forgiveness, changing oneself for the better and apologizing to the people one has hurt, so they can be forgiven and move on. but with Daisy, she can't be forgiven and she isn't.
even though the avatars are heavily influenced by the fears, it is clear that they have some kind of agency. Daisy still went on to do horrible things and misuse her power as a cop. and after getting back from the coffin, she KNOWS that she can't ever be a truly good person again. she can't undo all of her wrongdoings and they aren't actions that can be forgiven easily, or at all. but Daisy feels so horribly guilty and she still tries to be a better person, just for the sake of being a good person. not to be forgiven (mainly bc most of her victims are implied to be dead lol), not to be seen as a hero or to convince anyone else. she does it because it's the right thing to do, period.
this doesn't automatically make her a good person. she engaged in police brutality and it was at least partially her choice to do so. but it doesn't make her a horrible monster either because she is willing to take responsibility for her crimes and work on being a better person, even if she can't go back and undo everything she's done. she's simply a morally dubious and complex character and i love that about her so much. this is what redemption arcs should be like. regardless of how bad the character's mistakes were, the intent of their redemption must be to do it because it's the right thing to do.
francis is canonically enby
francis? sorry, who were they again?
@@cinnamonro3344 theyre in the web episode about addictions. mag 172
I love the 100% correct readings of the themes in this.
And yeah, Daisy and Basira not being canonically confirmed as a couple is for the better given what they did before the archives, especially with the parts of Basira's perspective being illuminated right after this video came out.
Paraphrasing Jonny from the post S5 QnA, having each other's back in the us vs them dynamic of police work including making excuses for the other's engaging in police brutality is a very different story to having each other's back and making excuses for each other out of a felt obligation born of love.
I like that despite this intention of Jonny's it ended up ambiguous in a way that allows thinking about it for literal hours at a time.
the virgin bury your gays versus the chad gays trapped in The Buried
I agree so much with your opinion on LGBT character deaths. It seems like “bury your gays” can be blanketed for any lgbt character death without nuance difference between TMA vs Voltron Legendary Defender (despite Shiro still lived an moved on) vs Supernatural (straight up disrespectful).
I’ve been really interested in TMA due to it sounding like it could scratch a similar itch WTNV does, hearing LGBT well written in there certainly helps tick a box to do so (now I just need my adhd to focus and motivate to do it)
I hopped on because of a video he did about accepting being bi and ace. And I was like eh why not do some horror? I will tell you that it scratches an itch but not the same as WTNV. I would say TMA is very very good horror, often episodic in nature, but not as much in the absurdist conspiracy vein of WTNV. I'm also a big fan of Alice Isn't Dead. Instead of a radio show or a bunch of tape recordings, the show is done via truck radio. It's cool, and made by the WTNV creators and is horror plus ruminating on the uncanny of the American highways. What's nice about TMA is that in the first season, you just get different stories and you don't have to invest a lot of time back to back to follow what's happening.
Boy, this video aged pretty well.
The real question is “is it really bury your gays if Jonny sims personally relishes in killing every single one of his characters he can (he killed off his actual immortal character too so. Not even exaggerating) in new and unique ways, regardless of whether or not they’re queer.” Also he and his partner are both bi and we love that for them
So. I just binged all of TMA last week so finding old content discussing it is filling the new void in my heart from the shows finale. I totally agree with this analysis and you were absolutely spot on with everything despite the show not being completed yet. I adore all of the characters in TMA because they are real people. Daisy and Jon dealing with the feeling of being pushed into being nonhuman even tho they didn't ask for that (it feels akin to when in genocides and wars many ppl have to make the choice to keep or abandon their humanity to stay physically and mentally safe). And Basira excusing and even defending police brutality because she loves Daisy is a very human thing to do, despite how messed up it is.
This show to me never really felt like a bury your gays thing, bc like u said most of the characters are queer. Jonny didnt want to stamp out the happiness of queer chacters and fans, he wanted to tell a supernatural horror story full of real people who just happen to all be queer.
I def agree tho that the show as a whole was missing disability and trans rep. I think easily some of the main characters could be trans or gnc and i def love the hc of jon using a cane (espeically assume after the Prentiss attack when he hurt his leg and didnt have full Archavist powers yet).
I wish that some of the characters were described more or we got more of their story, but i also respect leaving it open and allowing space for fans to project onto the characters.
I think overall that the queer representation was brilliant and i love seeing queer rep in my fav genres. Dont get me wrong i love dramas and romantic queer media, but it hits different in a supernatural horror show.
Also cannon ace jon was so so good i felt very seen as a romance loving asexual bc jon and martin interactions were exactly how i feel about partners ive had.
Im ranting a bit but i have so many thoughts after binging this show and i just adore it and all it's characters. Great vid and i love seeing im not along in a lot of my thoughts on this.
... Why did you have to be so spot-on? Why!?
*proceeds to sob in a corner*
sldjfhsdkdhf
don't worry, as satisfied as I am with the finale, I am right there with you.
@@Oakwyrm I mean, it is still my favorite piece of horror fiction ever, but that doesn't mean I won't be an emotional wreck for the next week or so. Good video by the way.
@@Anarchomancer Oh yeah no big mood. And thank you ^^
Great analysis! I personally think that Martin will survive but he will lose Jon but that's my opinion. Also YES people in this fandom get so dang protective of their hcs as if they are gospel truth. Like yes this hc is good and valid but y'all it is not canon and I am allowed to disagree.
Anyways, totally agree with all that you say and the "We are the new Archivist" theory is so cool 😲
tim's bi too
Wait he is? AWESOME!
"Apparently, [Tim] is involved both with one of the young ladies there, as well as the gentleman who manages the other shift."
also watching this after the podcast finished is heart warming cause every time youre like “i hope this person lives” i can be like yes!! yes they do!!
Do you know of The Mechanisms, a band that includes Jon Sims (writer/va/game designer) as well as the voice actors for Basira, Nikola, and that pest control guy.
Very q33r sci-fi retellings of classic stories. That all end in tragedies. And are quite violent (but no sexual violence!).
(read the description. Turns out you do. But I know at least I would be interested in a video about them!)
sakjdhs yeah I actually did make a video essentially just talking about how much I love the Mechanisms because it's a lot.
Wait which of the mechs voiced the pest control guy?? I've listened to all of their work and didn't recognize the voice
@@allgoodnamesaretaken6145 Gunpowder Tim!
Asexual John gave me so much life
The way he was outed was kinda crappy but narratively speaking it was really impressive as a way of showing that the Dread Powers will do their thing to everyone involved even their most loyal of servants
Literally made me SO HAPPY when I found that out
"We buried some gays but only because we had to bury someone and everyone was gay."
I feel like it's not burying your gays if it's given the same weight as other character deaths and if it's relevant to the plot. As long as they're not obviously being killed off because they're queer...
i think i remember hearing the jonny is bi too. its probably why there is so much representation in tma
You’re probably right about Jon’s death but oH GOD NO, I LOVE HIM TOO MUCH
Also the fact you don’t have more subscribers is stupid
How does this only have so little views? I love it.
"Are you happy, you insufferable Victorian prick?"
I personally understood jon as sex-indifferent. But at that point it's an issue.
I am just happy to have representation .
Agreed with this! That is how I read it, too. Both sex-indifferent and sex-repulsed Jons are valid hcs
@@CreatoroftheChibis totally
I went back and checked the transcript and the dialogue of melanie and basira, aren't direct quote from georgie, and they say like 2 words.
So like are already working with very little material so divergence in interpretation is bound to happen.
THANK YOU I WAS SO CONFUSED ABOUT JONATHAN SIMS AND JONATHAN SIMS
And then you throw in Jonny D'Ville as well.
I really like this analysis, and I feel like most of the points still stand even after the end of the show.
Great video but it is voided because you called Jonah victorian but he is from the regency era. You died on the Oregon Trail. Epic fail.
Jokes a side it really is a great vid, lov it :)
dskhasdkasd well in my defense he did also live and was active in the Victorian era, and "insufferable Victorian prick" just has a bit more punch to it than "insufferable regency prick". (granted, I could also have called him Georgian because that's when he'd have been born, but Victorian still has more punch). And thank you ^^
I didn’t know about the fandom criticizing on the Daisy is lesbian thing. That feels really really disingenuous especially considering what Jonathan Sims has said about why he will not say yes or no to Daisy being gay.
Minor spoilers if not caught up:
Oh god to accurate on the theory count
so i was rewatching this video and i just noticed the OpenDyslexic you used throughout and , as a dyslexic person, i really appreciate that , thank you💜
It’s very funny to me to watch this after the end of the podcast
Maybe I'm just sleep deprived but the analogy with Ryan and Cecil Baldwin actually killed me. I have no idea why it was so funny, but it really was
Listening to this after 179 h u r t s. RIP :(
Hell, now that I know there are queer characters and that it's a cosmic horror podcast, I'm gonna go listen to the podcast. Remind me to check back when I'm done listening to it
how's it going?
This is a very well thought-out analysis, and very well presented! I completely agree!
How dare you not mention the homophobic vase
Homophobic vase? I remember a homophobic meat man but not a vase.
@@an8strengthkobold360It stole a man's husband!
Okay I’m caught up now lol. This was a very good analysis and I basically just agree with everything you said. I also think there should be more trans characters though haha. Also??? I didn’t know people were being so terrible to Daisy how dare they :0
Aah, thank you ^^ And yeah they could've done a lot better with trans and disability stuff. I really do love how many trans headcanon the fandom has and cane user Jon lives in my brain rent free.
i mean. police brutality thingie. i love her dearly but this is a fucked up thing and she did hurt innossent and bazira covered it up. i do not get the extreme hate either but like. this is a thing that hurts a lot especcialy now so yeah, dats the thing
@@Oakwyrm u cant make me believe that jon And gerry arent he/him nonbinaries
and that tim, sasha and martin arent the trans gang
also autistic & eds & cane user jon and ocasional wheelchair/cane user gerry, anyone?
oh and adhd/dyslexia tim and hoh sasha. fight me.
Yeah good point, I agree completely it needs to be a balance of appreciating the good parts of a character and acknowledging the fucked up things they’ve done
shocked at how spot-on that prediction was
I decided that if Martin dies then Jon has to go with him. However, if Jon dies then Martin goes on as the new head of the institute or the new head archivist but I do like your theory that the audience is listening to the tapes because were the new head archivist. I don't know I'm still not done with Season 4 and I'm binge listening as fast as I can so I can make it to the finale with everyone else.
It's so funny reading these comments of these people who I think genuinely can't remember if things are canon or not.
8:19 the emotion in the "my life" is sending me for some reason XD
am delighted when i see yur breakdowns of rep in shows and media I find
I dont consider it a bury your gays if its a tragedy, point blank. Their ending was always intended to be tragic
I love the series so far
Great video! Cant get enough TMA content
Watching this after listening to episode 179: 👁️👄👁️
When all your characters a gay, all your deaths are gonna be buried gays
“because i love them” yeah same
I realise that this video was posted a year ago but PLEASE TALK ABOUT WELCOME TO NIGHT VALE
I don't think banishment of the entities is really an option. For it to feel earned the consequences for the cast would have to be truly awful. And I think the entities are simply too big. They have been around for at least 4000 years and it is implied they have been around since there where humans. The watcher's crown could only succeed because the entities wanted it to succeed and I think it can only be reversed with help from an entity. It is cosmic horror, humans have to be insignificant and unable to change anything. Hell, in all of season five Jon has been unable to make any meaningful change. Sure he can kill Avatars and change those being watched into watcher but the vast majority of humanity still suffers and is trapped in hellish fear prisons.
If you've heard the finale, I'd like to ask you about the extent of your prophetic ability
Bury your gays? No, send them to The Buried!
First tma analysis video I have found. Thank you for making this
very well made and thoughtful video! My only criticism is that the audio quality could be improved a bit :)
Omg i love this! Its the first video essay I've seen on tma!
one thing you got wrong but im not sure if it was known when you were making this video. People can die only in The End domain which still means you were right that everyone would die and its a closed system but it would be more like 3000 years into the future rather than like 80
Both gorgie and melonie are bi or pan not lesbian because melonie thorght the guy from 86 was attractive
lesbians can tell if a person is attractive even without being attracted to them...
Hemming Ways yeah that’s true the impression I got from it was that she was attracted to him because of her tone of voice and stuff but that’s just my reading and your right it’s not canon
I see Melanie as bi but I think that’s literally just because I somehow got it into my head that she has purple hair and the bi flag has purple so like
underrated comment, it's got wiggle room for multiple gender attracted or same gender attracted. to sweep one headcanon under the rug would be unfair!
Wow I read this title to times. I just now realized the word grays wasn't in there.
Arguably fifteen entity's with the apocalypse one semi confirmed
Nooo I can’t watch it till I’m caught up, only 7 more episodes to go XD
TMA doesn’t bury its gays because everyone in the main cast is gay. It’s inevitable.
i am so anxious for the end of tma, i love this show and the rep it has (despite 98% of the trans rep being headcanon). i really want a lovely happy ending but i know that clearly wont happen, i just hope its not too devasting
TFW John and Martin are a couple now.
*finishes a tma episode*
*opens youtube to find this video*
Hey I am letting every Ace creator I know that the Aces are invading Denmark we have a discord and a subreddit
I would say that as long you have both hetro and gay main cast who dies. But I don't know that much about this trope. So please teach me
It's the pattern of media introducing gay characters only to kill them off.
This way they get to brag about representation but also don't make the homophobes too upset.
It's just generally scummy.
I really enjoyed this! Especially your last section; I’m also making a video about the LGBT elements in this show, and I’d love to quote you from around 14:00 onward, if you’re okay with that? I have a pretty similar outlook on the series
Oh yeah sure absolutely
how were you some how completly on point??
i would love to hear your opinions on the end 👀
Wait, which characters were alluded to at the beginning? Two dead queer characters, one of whom is an antagonist. Tim and Peter? Tim and... Graham? Tim and??? ? ?
Lets be honest if the entities existed in our universe a new one would pop up every weak given all the constant new fear mongering of literally any and everything
hey, what do you think about daisy having or not having a redemption arc, especially since when she was in police she did stuff that where awfull. Is that excused by her being controlled by the hunt?
How're y'all feeling about Oh... Hello?
17 mins and 4 seconds of happy listen :)
Ooo here we go!
Wait aren't Elias and Peter ex husbands??
No. No, all that's just fandom shipping.
Wasn't Jerry both dead and gay?
Gerry may be dead but he was not canonically gay.