Good & fair review. Personally, i got the standalone veraion to use at home, away from conputer. Imposing on myself such limitations opens a new creative avenues and workflows to the point that the music i make sounds different. Thats worth everything for me :)
Thanks Artur:) I totally get that. Well, you can always use an 3-5m extention USB cord with a controller , I do that with Maschine all the time so I can relax on the sofa, haha;) But still Push 3 Standalone is not a complete song making tool for me, waiting for some control over the arrangement view, again my personal view. Thanks for sharing!
@@PoloTremoloWell, it's not even been a year since Push 3 was released and I imagine the dev team was pretty preoccupied with Live 12, so I hope the work on P3S ramps up. I'm not really expecting arranger features, but for sure I'd love to see the ability to add & edit the clip and scene follow actions, which would be enough to build a rudimentary song structure. Also, P3S is completely missing anything related to creating & editing of the Racks. Let's give them time (and money 😅).
I went with a dead silent MacBook Air M2 that I found “refurbished premium” for those $1000 with extended SSD instead of getting the standalone, I’m about to receive yet the Push 3 controller but as I see I have now a laptop for some portable tasks and emergencies but of course a dedicated portable CPU for Ableton on priority, no browser windows nor other processes. Yet if I happen to need to run Ableton for a big project or the final arranging part I have also a dedicated Ableton Mac Studio. Sincerely I don’t see any better if I’m going to be around home and not always sitting in the studio. A real possibility for the Push 3 standalone would be the luxury to don’t carry around with the extra laptop, but let’s face it, it gives you a plus but The PC would always be required for some sound design that cannot be done yet on the Push 3 and for the final arrangement of a song. “Standalone” doesn’t mean let your PC go away forever, I don’t see also that to happen but maybe in 5 years and if Push 3 was successful from 3 years as from now and then Ableton would see if it is best to develop Standalone features for a more powerful CPU than the limited one as for today. Let’s bet, 5 years for an upgrade to the Standalone kit, yet today Standalone is nice if you want it but do you beware to also have a good PC with Ableton installed.
Siemka. It is pity that Push3 last on battery only 2h. Mayby when they move to arm procesors it will longer. Convenient it would be around 4,5h and more. I get new one when it will happend.
cheers, mate! Yes, 2 to 2,5h on avarage depending on the load and brightness of the pads backlight. So the battery won't last for a whole day trip etc.This might change in the future if they upgrade Push 3 Standalone kit, which basically is a computer you attach to the controller.
I have had all Pushes as well, and i tried to get Push 2 and 3 to work at the same time as well, but no love. Great idea, would have been awesome to use both, but alas i sold my Push 2. Loving the 3.
You make good music man! Love it. I’m going to get the Push 3 controller not the stand alone. I mean I have an expensive computer might as well use it 😂
Yeah, cograts, it is a beatiful controller, you'll be happy;) Definately it is a sensible solution to go for non-controller, you can always ugprade later, just get an active USB extension cord and it will be like stand-alone;). I might be upgrading from Push 2 and getting Push 3 non-controller version too!
Push 3 standalone is pretty much a Gen 1 device. There is a lot of potential here to really make an impact on the groovebox market but for that it needs a lot more cooking.
Great explanative video! I'm wondering if you could control external synthesisers using the controller version without the use of a computer? given it has anyway a built in audio-interface
No, I am afraid. Anyway the USER MODE has never been developed - it only is useful for some external Max4Live plugins, ie. Push Hacker. But the stand-alone version will work great with built-in AL12
I tried to like Push, I had 1 and 2 from day one, but then I realized I never really liked them. The APC4O plus a little midi keyboard work much better for me. But I like Push standalone, specially if combined with machines and sources that I can control and sample with it. It feels totally different for me that way. As soon as I hook a computer with Live to it I can´t touch the thing anymore.
Whatever works for you is great! Thanks for leaving a comment:) I noticed Akais are preferred by those who play life and improvise. Push is more a compositional aid
@@PoloTremolo Really? I think Push 3 is totally fine in a live context, I have tested somet things already. Adding the Apc40 to the push and 2 or 3 sound devices makes a good setup. Also pairing Push 3 with a good Dj mixer is lots of fun. Someday I want to try 2 Push devices with a good mixer like they were the main players instead of the CDJs. And little chaeper than the CDJS 😄 I can think of lots of ways to experiment with P3.
Way too much money without any software. But the audio specifications are not a problem. They are professional. -111db THD, -115db separation, excellent! Also, most "pro-audio" interfaces wont even test for IMD, let alone actually display the results. So, with another audio interface, you probably will not even know the IMD specification.
15 instances of Wavetable are too little for my projects. But I believe, you've tested this with 32 buffer. Could you test this increasing the buffer to 64, 128 or even more? Buffer size does enhance the CPU but it increases latency.
Oh man, I wish I remember the settings … you are right, in general bigger buffers allow for more instruments, but I guess in this case it doesn’t matter much. It is what it is and basically it is one of the reasons why I prefer to work in the box with a controller like push.
New business model, to charge twice and sell half. Im also with the half that wont buy, because I am fortunate to be with the half that still has employment, under the new business model, but you never know anymore.
![Thoughts on Live Performances [Ableton Push 3 Standalone - Model1 - Octawave ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/RGBHSEZdJSo/mqdefault.jpg)
Thanks, for helping us learn more about the push. It would be good to see more on making music with it from you, thanks Terence
Good & fair review. Personally, i got the standalone veraion to use at home, away from conputer. Imposing on myself such limitations opens a new creative avenues and workflows to the point that the music i make sounds different. Thats worth everything for me :)
Thanks Artur:) I totally get that. Well, you can always use an 3-5m extention USB cord with a controller , I do that with Maschine all the time so I can relax on the sofa, haha;) But still Push 3 Standalone is not a complete song making tool for me, waiting for some control over the arrangement view, again my personal view. Thanks for sharing!
@@PoloTremoloWell, it's not even been a year since Push 3 was released and I imagine the dev team was pretty preoccupied with Live 12, so I hope the work on P3S ramps up. I'm not really expecting arranger features, but for sure I'd love to see the ability to add & edit the clip and scene follow actions, which would be enough to build a rudimentary song structure. Also, P3S is completely missing anything related to creating & editing of the Racks.
Let's give them time (and money 😅).
I went with a dead silent MacBook Air M2 that I found “refurbished premium” for those $1000 with extended SSD instead of getting the standalone, I’m about to receive yet the Push 3 controller but as I see I have now a laptop for some portable tasks and emergencies but of course a dedicated portable CPU for Ableton on priority, no browser windows nor other processes. Yet if I happen to need to run Ableton for a big project or the final arranging part I have also a dedicated Ableton Mac Studio.
Sincerely I don’t see any better if I’m going to be around home and not always sitting in the studio. A real possibility for the Push 3 standalone would be the luxury to don’t carry around with the extra laptop, but let’s face it, it gives you a plus but The PC would always be required for some sound design that cannot be done yet on the Push 3 and for the final arrangement of a song.
“Standalone” doesn’t mean let your PC go away forever, I don’t see also that to happen but maybe in 5 years and if Push 3 was successful from 3 years as from now and then Ableton would see if it is best to develop Standalone features for a more powerful CPU than the limited one as for today. Let’s bet, 5 years for an upgrade to the Standalone kit, yet today Standalone is nice if you want it but do you beware to also have a good PC with Ableton installed.
Siemka.
It is pity that Push3 last on battery only 2h. Mayby when they move to arm procesors it will longer.
Convenient it would be around 4,5h and more. I get new one when it will happend.
cheers, mate! Yes, 2 to 2,5h on avarage depending on the load and brightness of the pads backlight. So the battery won't last for a whole day trip etc.This might change in the future if they upgrade Push 3 Standalone kit, which basically is a computer you attach to the controller.
You can get the controller version for now and then add the upgrade kit when / if it happens.
I have had all Pushes as well, and i tried to get Push 2 and 3 to work at the same time as well, but no love. Great idea, would have been awesome to use both, but alas i sold my Push 2. Loving the 3.
Great video! Does the touch functionality work with the chroma caps?
Nope, I am afraid no. But I only realized it after a while, I don't really rely on this;) And thank you a lot!
You make good music man! Love it. I’m going to get the Push 3 controller not the stand alone. I mean I have an expensive computer might as well use it 😂
Yeah, cograts, it is a beatiful controller, you'll be happy;) Definately it is a sensible solution to go for non-controller, you can always ugprade later, just get an active USB extension cord and it will be like stand-alone;). I might be upgrading from Push 2 and getting Push 3 non-controller version too!
Push 3 standalone is pretty much a Gen 1 device. There is a lot of potential here to really make an impact on the groovebox market but for that it needs a lot more cooking.
Polo Tremolo. Your excellent music would work on any controller. The music is the main thing.
I bought it without the standalone and enjoying it. I may buy the standalone later but just to do some things on the road in between.
Great explanative video! I'm wondering if you could control external synthesisers using the controller version without the use of a computer? given it has anyway a built in audio-interface
No, I am afraid. Anyway the USER MODE has never been developed - it only is useful for some external Max4Live plugins, ie. Push Hacker. But the stand-alone version will work great with built-in AL12
I tried to like Push, I had 1 and 2 from day one, but then I realized I never really liked them. The APC4O plus a little midi keyboard work much better for me. But I like Push standalone, specially if combined with machines and sources that I can control and sample with it. It feels totally different for me that way. As soon as I hook a computer with Live to it I can´t touch the thing anymore.
Whatever works for you is great! Thanks for leaving a comment:) I noticed Akais are preferred by those who play life and improvise. Push is more a compositional aid
@@PoloTremolo Really? I think Push 3 is totally fine in a live context, I have tested somet things already. Adding the Apc40 to the push and 2 or 3 sound devices makes a good setup. Also pairing Push 3 with a good Dj mixer is lots of fun. Someday I want to try 2 Push devices with a good mixer like they were the main players instead of the CDJs. And little chaeper than the CDJS 😄
I can think of lots of ways to experiment with P3.
Way too much money without any software. But the audio specifications are not a problem. They are professional. -111db THD, -115db separation, excellent! Also, most "pro-audio" interfaces wont even test for IMD, let alone actually display the results. So, with another audio interface, you probably will not even know the IMD specification.
15 instances of Wavetable are too little for my projects. But I believe, you've tested this with 32 buffer. Could you test this increasing the buffer to 64, 128 or even more? Buffer size does enhance the CPU but it increases latency.
Oh man, I wish I remember the settings … you are right, in general bigger buffers allow for more instruments, but I guess in this case it doesn’t matter much. It is what it is and basically it is one of the reasons why I prefer to work in the box with a controller like push.
checkout 12.1 its amazing
$1k is too expensive. I'd buy it for $600 to $800, but $1k is too much.
New business model, to charge twice and sell half. Im also with the half that wont buy, because I am fortunate to be with the half that still has employment, under the new business model, but you never know anymore.
adat? weird.