Another great video full of useful information. I see some comments from leaf owners giving their opinion on the 5 year battery degradation. Thought I'd add mine. 2014 24kwh Leaf, now done 45k, always serviced yearly. Driven 60 miles daily and charged at home nightly. The battery percentage in the car is 12 bars and leaf spy says 98.4% as confirmed by my recent Nissan service. I think the battery will just be fine after 5 years. In fact you can debunk this myth simply by telling people to look at the used market. I've seen genuine 2013 leafs with full 12 bars and 2012 with 10 bars capacity. So replacing every 5 years is a myth.
Nice video and good numbers. The only thing that still puts me of is the initial purchase price.. A new Leaf is almost £30k new when a new petrol hatch back is circa £12-15k... Your video and numbers certainly make a good case for buying a used Leaf though👍🏁
That battery question is so freaking frustrating. I drive a Tesla and that is how people will poo poo my car. They say. Well how much is a new battery or of course. What do you do when you run out. I answer them by comparing to an ice car. How much does it cost to replace your gas tank or what happens when you run out of gas. ? I don’t know a single Tesla person that had to replace their battery. I have 67000 miles in my model S and it’s degrade 4%
Chris Bates it has to be the most frustrating argument people use against EVs. Yes they have their shortfalls but Battery replacement isn’t one of them.
Hi Chris 17 years ago I bought a Peugeot 406 2 ltr diesel executive estate auto and sold it this year :( It cost £21000 to buy and I did 130,000 miles in it so you can see even keeping it 17 years it still cost £1250/year in depreciation I extended the warranty twice which was just as well because it needed two automatic gearboxes on warranty which would have cost £2000 each time never mind the rest of the maintenance costs, cam belts, brake disks etc I loved that car , it never rusted but it was not cheap to own and run Motoring is expensive, so like you I think it needs to also be fun I would love to be able to own a Tesla but a Leaf is pretty great as well Just point the doubters to ruclips.net/video/kGFiaWvD-KI/видео.html
I have a Zoe, bought the battery, warranty 70% for 8 years (it won't lose that). The thing is the battery is modular and you would be unlikely to have to replace the whole lot if it does lose a lot of capacity. I believe Nissan are offering refurbed batteries in some markets already at around £2.5k. Perhaps the old Top Gear where they slagged off the early EVs was repeated the other day?
Just playing devils advocate for a moment. If 3 years has seen a 9% loss, at 5 years that might be 16% (ish) and the loss of a capacity bar in the offing so, whilst there are scare stories around, battery degradation is still an issue. I read advice somewhere to the effect that you should take this into account when buying second hand because the 80 mile range might be a more realistic 65 in the real world. Such a car may be useable (it would do 90% of my stuff) but the reality is that the car's range is on a downwards trajectory and that will be an issue for many. Yet another good video by the way - really helpful.
No different than a clutch/transmission/ most cars don't have issues but some do. Similar cost My Highlander cost from Toyota was 6700cdn Used a crashed doner tranny for 3000. I get the same argument about my Prius battery. Yet you can have em rebuilt for 1000, 4yrs 220,000 kms no issues. Work car,drive it hard. No issues at all, 70% brakes left. Fuel savings 24000 vs my Highlander. I wish I had a full electric also
My 2012 hit 64 percenr SOH after 58k and 5.5 ish years. I think it has to do with the a full 3.3 kw charge when its 15°F ... The pack heater only comes on at -14° F according to the manual. That is not good to charge a battery at those low temps :( anyway, thanks for sharing your experience and numbers!
Age may more important than just mileage. I’m curious what SOH is after 5 years. My 2012 went fron 78% to 61% from year 5 to 6 while 80% charging. A hot summer in Nebraska with many 100 days probably didn’t help. Didn’t lose 10th bar until the first 15 F days of Winter.
I've got a -13 Tekna in Norway. 50'km (30' miles) SOH is 86.49 last I checked, still 12 bars. My car got a Nissan update in -15, after that one it showed worse numbers on Leafspy. When I bought it in -15 it showed around 100%, and dropped around 10% that summer (lower numbers in "warm" summer, and "lost" % because of the update). Also I've seen worse numbers after some Leafspy-updates. Therefore I don't fully believe that mine has got almost 14% degredation. But anyway, it's safe to say it's held up good and the 5-year replacement myth is just that, a myth. Here in Norway I believe that myth is created from the factory waranty of 5 years/100,000 km. So the petrolheads started saying that's when you'll have to replace the battery. Try asking them, well, did you have to replace the engine of your car at the end of warranty?
so under your conditions it should last the life of the vehicle- a nice long life to! even say in a place like arizona i imagine it should still be a good story
my 24kw is just coming up to 1 year old, only 2300 miles, was 95 soh when I had it about 10 weeks ago and already dropped to 90%! just hoping it needs a good charge cycle or at this rate I will be getting a new battery under warranty.
A few questions 1) Do you have to charge your car every night? 2) and do you happen to know how long it takes for battery to lose a noticeable amount of charge just sitting there? Because during my work far away from home I could be leaving the car sitting there for ~2 months at a time without moving it once. 3) Have you noticed any significant difference in range in the UK winter or summers?
Hi G P in the order you asked No you don't have to charge an electric vehicle every night it depends how far you intend to travel the next day and there are always rapid chargers which will have you up to 80% in half an hour on route If you are leaving the car for a couple of months just charge to between 60 and 80% before leaving and it will be fine in a UK climate anyway If its very cold you will lose a fair bit of mileage range maybe 20% or so but usually less
thank you for the video, love your channel. Can you do your US followers a favor? When you talk about prices can you translate to dollars? much appreciated! Keep up the good work my friend!
Clarkson started this thing about needing to replace batteries. Some say he’s stupid, some that he hangs upside down before a show-all we know is he’s called Jezza! Not sure I spelt that right but thanks for a common sense attiude when you make these videos.
I loath Jeremy Clarkson with a passion, his shows are just last of the summer wine with cars. His hatred of bicycles is irrational also, being the most used vehicle on the planet, by many multiples of the car. Top Gear's catch phrase should have been , why let the truth spoil a good story.
Aaaaah that Jeremy he was at the BBC a bit too long and properly full of himself what he says just can’t take him too seriously he’s a properly over paid Jester is what he is he really makes this old yank split me sides on occasion 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mentioned briefly to a friend, that my next car would be fully electric. Now this guy wouldn't be able to afford a Tesla; tows a biggish trailer a few times a week over short distances; hauls all manner of things on & off-road; uses his pickup for all his road transport; and is generally tough on his vehicles. So at present, there not an EV that would suit all his needs and he has no intention if owning anything other than a 3.5 litre pickup. Given his circumstances, I won't hold this against him. When he heard my decision, his only reply was, "But the batteries don't last." He said this in an earnest manner and in a way that he thought, would steer me away from some foolhardy action. Though he is an intelligent and considered person. He hasn't really researched EVs, as he knows that for his present needs, a big engined pickup, with serious off-road capability suits his needs. However, for him, he just knew in his heart of hearts, that EV batteries were/are short lived things. And by dint of this inherent knowledge, buying an EV was a fool's act of insanity and one to be avoided. He's not the first person to think this way. And without the relevant info getting through to the masses, changing over to most drivers being EV drivers, is going to be a slower process. In my personal experience, the franchised dealers are a major contributor of disinformation regarding EVs, their true capabilities and their tech as a whole. Also some, (not all) motoring journalists, reviewing, (in a recent comparative review) of the 64kW Kona, 40kW Leaf and the BMW I3 REX. That they were all very good and worthwhile purchases. But only useable as second cars, to petrol or diesel cars. And only really any good, for doing the shopping once a week. Im often amazed, that humans made it out of the trees and like more than just bananas.
Really good video. It’s crazy that people even talk about the batteries. Very long warranties on them. 40000 miles with 91% remaining. What more could anyone possibly need to know?
There's a very famous Norwegian, Bjorn Nyland.Now since he's had his model x for few years(and he had model s for LONG time to) I think he's done around 116.000 kmh on his first battery before it was replaced,because of a fault. Now this person I watch for many years.He absolutely punishes car and does far more than even a driver doing 20/30 Thousand per year,he shows BATTERY teck even when abused can last along time,and can be reused . IF that's not enough then watch FULLYCHARGRD, first of its kind EV event at Silverstone.
I wanted to go to Fully Charged live, but my niece had her quinceanera at the same time. I also live in Texas, so it would have cost a little over $2000 just to make the trip.
Mark Portch I have seen Bjorn and you’re right, he does punish his cars and gives very honest feedback. Fully charged live was a fantastic event. I would definitely recommend making the trip next year 👍
Hi EV, I'm looking at a 2015 nissan leaf xe model, it has 100000 kms on it, I've requested a health check from Nissan as it is a main dealership I'm buying from, what should I be looking for in regards battery life? A new battery is €5000 here in Ireland and I'm a bit concerned. Thanks and great vid!
Do u use the fast charger mostly. Im new to this and was wondering if by always using a fast charger would be ok for the battery. I gather it is, otherwise why offer it. Sorry if it sounds a stupid question, but if u dont ask, u dont get 🤣🤣
YA-NU DIDDLEESQUATS HAPPY GAMING I use my 7kw home charger every day. I rapid charge a couple of times a month. They say not to rapid charge too often but I know of taxi companies who have covered 100’s of thousands of miles just rapid charging.
NEW to LEAF - SERVICING HELP? Hey, I am a new the leaf user. I have a 2016 Tekna model that I have bought used. I had an outlander PHEV before and so loved the electric idea I have now switched to full electric. I want to know about servicing. Should i sign up for the NISSAN pre service plan or just turn up to the dealers???
@@EVOpinion it costs 15 per month. Includes seevice breakdown cover and updated maps. I am not sure what a normal service would be though. Alsk 10% of parts.
David Mckeown a minor service is £150 and a major £200. Over 4 years that’s £700. The service plan is £720 over 4 years. Both give you breakdown cover but the service plan gives you maps as an extra. Hope that helps 👍
Hey Ryan, thanks for your help. In one of your videos you talked about driving modes? Do you really drive with the B mode on all the time? Does this really work. Also could you direct me on what is the best app to use with an iPhone and an android? If there is another place or way to ask these types of questions let me know? Thanks
Glad you are back and more importantly that you took time off with your family! Truly appreciate the time and dedication and looking forward to what is coming .
They are selling me a 2015 leaf s for $9000 at a dealer with 66,230 miles...or should I buy a 2019 SL with 18,994 miles for $18,197 with one accident though.?? My commute is sometimes 40 miles and other days 60 miles round trip Monday through Friday. Car will be park in driveway here in Fresno California. I will be trading my 2009 Prius for a Nissan leaf
£79pm... thats about what I put in my car just on fuel each month 😄 my running costs for my extreamly reliable C180 for the last 30 months works out at £130.66 a month, and ive only done about 9000 miles in this time too!!! Petrol, road tax all adds up. Im seriously considering going electric
My figures are pretty similar to yours as far as electricity costs go. My wifes Leaf has covered 42000 miles I worked it out at costing us around £12 a week to do 300 miles. I am in the trade so servicing is done by me. MOT done by me at the place I work . It still has three of the original four tyres with 3mm tread I monitor them weekly. Never had a single mechanical issue. Paint work has some marks due to it being parked in a public car park during the day. Due to my job I am pretty cynical about cars in general but the Leaf is a very impressive car. Do not have Leaf spy but still got the full 12 bars.
i wanna get a nissan leaf. i am aiming at the 30kwh 2018 version.. my concern is that i live on a tropical island and it gets to like 30 - 33 degrees here with s speed limit of 65 mph.. does anyone have any thoughts on temperature and battery degradation ?
I have a 2017 Tekna Leaf which I love. What are the chances that one day an uprated battery will be available for it. Say like 50kwh? I would probably buy that if the price was ok.
we have got a 2013 leaf lost 1 bar and done 46000 but it still charges to 80 so its really not an issue and the other leaf is 2014 44000 and got full bars best cars we have had just waiting the leaf nismo to come out really like the sporty look it will be good competition on other ice cars
Your Leaf's battery degradation is coming out at 2% per 10000 miles, which is typical according to figures I can find on the web. However, there are reports that the 30kWh battery degrades faster than the 24kWh, possibly due to extra heating during rapid charging.
@@williamlorimer060867 The 40 kWh battery should be better than the 30 kWh, because Nissan prevent it from overheating during rapid charging. Check out the video from fancyabevmate, where he reports his battery degradation after 10000 miles (about 2% I think). It is certainly worth rechecking your SoH after a few more months to see if there has been any change.
Great video. My 2016 24kwh TEKNA just completed 20k miles today, SOH is around 95%, but the figures do vary, seem to improve after a long run. Surprised you didn’t mention your number of QCs vs L1/L2s, interesting to note you’ve done a lot of rapids ( over 300). My Leaf has well over a thousand L1/L2s - previous owner must have connected at least twice per day, whereas I often only charge once a week at home. On longer journeys I often use a rapid 2/3 times in a day and now have done almost 40 rapids, I was concerned that might be degrading the battery but heartened to see you’ve done over 300.... It seems to me that battery degradation will indeed be an issue for second hand EVs over 5years old, but not a critical issue, just a factor that will be worked into the market price like anything else. I also guess that many older EVs will be bought second hand purely as local run-arounds anyway.
Oops, just checked and you’ve actually only done 108 rapids, not over 300, not sure how I got confused. Anyway, that’s still quite a lot of rapids, more than twice the number I’ve clocked up so far...
My 2014 24Kw Ascenta has 36K and still full 12 Bars. Would give you the %SoH but the dongle I bought doesn't support iPhone. Will come back when I have that sorted :)
The reason EVs are cheaper is because FUEL TAX is not paid. 70% roughly of the pump price of ordinary fuel is tax. When the government isn`t getting enough tax, because too many people are driving EVs, they`ll put one on EVs.
paul m it will be very interesting to see how the government of the day compensates for the loss of revenue. I think it will be a permanent loss of some sort. Maybe car tax that is collected by mileage and vehicle classification, mileage monitoring via MOT. It would have to somehow capture usage, otherwise it becomes unfair for some and not for others.
And that’s the issue. How will they load electricity prices for EVs without putting it up for domestic users (unless the push for range starts to need a dedicated high amperage spur...) so it may have to be another way.
BikingChap I have a friend who just bought his first EV. He’s getting fed up with looking for his nearest fast charge that he’s petitioning for a fast charge in the street. My guess is that he will be billed separately and that’s the route to tax usage.
I purchased a 2015 Nissan Leaf last September 2020 with very low mileage- 10,274 mls recorded- showing SOH 87.19%. It had only 84 QC,s, and 202 L1/L2,s. since new. Can anyone explain why the the battery has lost nearly 13% and why the battery in your leaf in this video with more QC,s and L1/L2 charges and 40.170 mls has only lost under 9%- appreciate your comments on this?
Obviously there are lots of reasons but have you tried a couple of rapid charges? Sometimes this can rejuvenate a battery. I’m also told resetting the BMS via Leaf Spy sometimes helps. I ha e never done this and would ha e to research how to. I am recording a 76500 mile update on my car at the moment so keep an eye on the channel as I discuss how I use my battery on that 👍
I own a Leaf and one extra cost was to change the disk breaks because I do not use the breaks much due to regenerative charging. In order to reduce that cost I have to use the breaks from time to time. I also have to change the disk breaks of our petrol car because we do not use it much and get rusty. That was around 300 UK pounds.
If you did 1000 miles in an ICE that managed 60 mpg (and let's face it hardly anyone manages that in reality) it would still be £100 per month in fuel alone (assuming the current price of around £6 per gallon). I do 500 miles per month in my Zoe and it costs £15 per month in electricity (no Polar subscriptions and in 18 months I've only needed a public charger three times though I plug in if I stop by a free one). I paid £90 for my first service and I think that is a rip-off considering how little work is required.
My LEAF is a Jan 2015 registration bought secondhand from Nissan Cared 4 with just over 14000 miles on the clock in August 2017. One year on and I'm now on 27768 miles, so I do a similar sort of milage to you. Had a recent, free service with the Nissan dealership, the battery got a 5 star rating and I still have all 12 bars. I put Nokia all weather's on before winter last year at a cost of about £500, let's face it the tyres supplied by Nissan are pants in mud and snow! Don't regret spending on the Nokians, they are excellent in snow and other conditions and are wearing extremely well, thanks Nikki at Transport Evolved for the recommendation. I haven't monitored my electricity use as closely as you, I just plug in when I get home, and we are not on any special tariff, although it is supposed to be from renewables. I recon the increase in my domestic electricity bill to be about £50 due to the car. Signed up for the vehicle to grid pilot at Fully Charged Live so that may well make a difference when it is installed. I'm very happy with the running costs and have no qualms about the battery degradation. My interest free car loan (two years left) costs me about the same as my monthly diesel costs for the previous car (Peugeot Partner) for the same monthly travel - £209/month. My insurance cost, including recovery, is only slightly more than for the Partner and I'm no longer paying road tax. Considering I'm buying a much more luxurious and comfortable car, albeit slightly less practical than the Partner, in immaculate condition, I think I've got a pretty good deal. When the loan is paid off in two years I'll be enjoying some cheap motoring I think.
That seems very affordable running cost wise. I'm just thinking about my petrol car which is a 2003 Nissan and I think per week not that I drive much but just fuel, which is currently over $1.50/L here(AUD) is about $20AUD but I only drive weekends mostly taking public transit the rest of the time. Having an EV though would be nice as my fuel gauge is usually between 1/4 and empty so I could leave the EV trickle charging all week and drive out Friday morning with a full 'tank' and no more engine noise either, probably only be $20AUD for an entire month. Unfortunately here in Australia the initial outlay is high due to no or very few at least government incentives and the lack of options for EVs or the ongoing 'coming soon' from manufacturers.
Hi looking to buy a 2017 24kw accenta leaf with 17500 miles. Car looks like new in and out but my only concern from your video is the battery health is 91%, same as your 40000 miles. Should that make me worried?
Hello from yank land mate did enjoy the video what it cost u to own the car let me say those are impressive figures,I’m thinkin bout the leaf and watching your video has moved me research along nicely Happy New year mate👍🏻👍🏻👋🏻👋🏻
What is normal Temperatures & normal family ??? 🤔 . Today there was 44 celcius in London 🙄 . Does it mean we are all Abnormal as result of UK unpredictable whether
Interested to know if you see any major effect on range with the 9% drop in battery. My 30kWh has done 18k and showing SOH around 94-96%, and range is as I'd expect (not owned it from new)
I plan to get a 2018 Leaf next month. I keep cars on average 10 years so I wonder about battery degradation. The manual says that to honor the battery warranty, a yearly battery check must be performed. Has anyone had the warranty cover a battery where this battery check wasn't done?
Watch out when it gets to 60000 plus. Your Air Con PTC Heater will go Nissan quoted 3100 for the part. Don't worry about the battery its other expensive parts that no one wants to talk about.
@@bloccospirale4280 Wrong/ guy you probably know who has a you tube channel was able to sell me one. It was from a salvaged 2015 nissan leaf Also other EV garage well known gave me a salvaged ptc part from a 2015 leaf also. They have probably changed the name changed slightly the part but ultimately it will cost you a lot of money. Stop talking about the battery other parts can cause a lot of money maybe not relative to you cause you sell it on but for someone buying an old leaf a real issue.
The 2015 Tekna (the car in this video) uses a heat pump not a PTC heater, which is an entirely different thing, and yes, I'm sure it would be expensive to replace
@@bloccospirale4280 Aware of this the point is its going to cost you a lot of money to replace this. Aware what a Heat Pump does got a ASHP in my house plus solar.
I have been to the Sunderland assembly plant and whilst there I was shown that all outside facing steel panels are galvanised, so rust is not a problem.
I wouldn't put too much emphasis in the Leaf Spy readings. At least you need to compare readouts taken under the same temperature conditions and see how it develops. My assumption is that the current measurement is compensated for temperature. Still each 'resistor' varies and this leads to errors. When the current is not measured correctly the capacity is gauged incorrectly either exaggerating the kWh in the battery og underestimating it. This leads to wrong SoH's. A tell tale of this is if you have either very large or small consumption figures compared to similar cars and driving styles. Also major deviations between summer and winter SoH's is a giveaway. Battery wear... Well the first years 2011.12 and partly 2013 were not impressive - outright catastrophic in hot climate. My own 24 kWh has now done 30000 km's I can't detect any deterioration - it has constantly been doing 130 km with 25-35 km to spare this summer as long as there is no headwind.... Even at 100 km/h on the speedo it does >130 km. I hope it stays that way... It is a fantastic car.
Couldn't resist taking old data and comparing to new. At 4300 km and bat temp at the 20-21 degrees C level. It read SoH 89% and Hx=90,87%. Just now 29597 km bat temp 19-21 degrees C readings are SoH 92,22% and Hx=90,27%. In both cases cell voltages hovered around 4,040 volts equal to 79% SoC (I limit to this level in weekends). I have data in showing SoH over 100% in January (cold).
I wonder how many people watching this realize that the first model S taxi is still going and has over 100,000 miles on it and still at about 90%. If a taxi can make it, a "regular" EV can get you through 10 years which funnily enough, ICE owners don't usually keep theirs for that long. So, I think your Nissan will be just fine for at least double the time you have had it for currently and will get a new one because you ICE is just too expensive and more brands and availability will come to market.
That Tesla had a battery swap, but they say it was nothing to do with the high mileage it was just a faulty battery that was replaced under warranty, it also had a motor replaced under warranty too, so if you ask me its not as impressive as they make out, but a lot of the first model S cars had there motors replaced as they had bearing problems.
Hi Ryan, nice to see you back. I have a 2017 30kw Tekna with 26,110 I've had it since December last. I cannot charge at home so rely on Polar which I find excellent to be fair. I keep a close eye on leaf spy and I'm a bit concerned the other day it showing my SOH at 89.93 it has since creeped up to 90.32 when I bought it it was showing 100%. I've done approximately 4500 miles since I bought it.. It has done 332 QC & 338 L1/L2 . I must admit compared to your I am a little concerned at the drop in 8 month. What do you think, am I over reacting to these figures ? Love the channel by the way keep up the good work.. . Cheers Mike......
Nissan have released a BMS update for the 30kw Leaf as some of them are showing a large drop in SOH when actually they are fine and its a firmware bug. Might be worth looking into to see if thats whats causing your drop.
Hi Ryan, I have a 2015 Leaf S, with 58,000 miles now. Got it Nov2014. I track it with LeafSpy every 6-8 weeks. SOH is 92.7 as of last week. I’m pretty happy with that. I’m in upstate NY in USA, so a mix of temps (going to be 95F late heat wave this week, and we routinely get to 10F in winter) Thank you for sharing your battery numbers, that is helpful. Always enjoy your videos. Glad you’re getting back in to them! Take care.
EV Opinion Ryan, no, I don’t use a quick charger very often at all. Only like a dozen times in the last 4 years. We have a regular 240v charger in the garage, and we actually charge to 100% almost every day. But I do time the charge (using a delay timer on the Siemens charger we use) so that the car is done charging as close as possible to when my wife is ready to leave for school. So the car does not sit at 100% for much more than 30mins before she is off to school. She has a 50mile round trip commute, and it’s our main vehicle on the weekends too. We love it, planning to keep it for a couple more years and then trade up to a M3 most likely.
I have just bought a Nissan leaf 30kw. Now the winter is coming on is it best to leave the a/c on auto instead of fiddling about with the different controls or does it use to much battery buy leaving it on auto.
There are a lot of these "cost of ownership" videos on RUclips, but nobody seems to include one very major cost - insurance. How much is that? I hear things like 30%-50% more than ICE. Is it?
The Last Remaining Moderate nope. It doesn’t cost me any more. Lots of people compare an EV to their current ICE runabout. Don’t forget, even the basic EVs generally have more power and cost more so the insurance reflects this. My 2015 Leaf Tekna with 12k per year fully comp is about £250 a year.
@@EVOpinion I forgot to mention USA. But still... My current ICE, Hyundai Elantra GT (I don't what it's called in Britain), 6 years old, $20,000 new, $6600 current, costs me about $1100/year (873 Pounds) to insure. So obviously, insurance is a much bigger concern over here than there. Which brings up another problem. There are at least a dozen Brits with EV channels on RUclips, but only one or two (that I can find) on this side of the pond, and they tend to be in California, which might as well be a foreign country. Us poor Yanks really have no good source of information, nor do we really have many available EVs in most of the country. Frustrating.
Ive got 16 reg Accenta+, with 21000 miles on it. And battery SOH only 90%. Should I need to worry? Mileage is twice lower than yours, and it your Leaf is 1 year older. But my battery degraded more..
I've just reserved a used 2016 30Kw Tekna with 53k miles on it. I am not entirely worried about the battery, but what would be interesting to know is at what degradation level would nissan replace it within the 8 year warranty that it comes with?
ah found it on the web site where they say **The Nissan LEAF & eNV200 lithium-ion battery state of health guarantee protects against battery capacity loss (less than 9 bars out of 12) as shown on the in vehicle capacity gauge for a period of 8 years / 100,000 miles* for 40 kWh vehicles and 8 years / 100,000 miles* for 30 kWh vehicles and 5 years / 60,000 miles* for 24kWh vehicles. For LEAF flex customers, the battery state of health guarantee applies for the duration of the battery lease.
You mentioned you measured the wattage used by your Leaf. I assume that you have a separate meter of some kind. Could you give me some details of how you do it.
The range of an ICE car is NOT the maximum amount of fuel in the tank. Say 250 or 300 or 350 or whatever. It`s INFINITE. Because you just refill the tank in 5-10 minutes at most. And off you go again. Whereas the EV is grounded. For many hours. Probably overnight. Which means you cannot add an unplanned trip to your planned ones. You have to plan everything, every trip, in great detail. Fine for some people but I don`t want to lead a stultifyingly boring life like that. I want to be able to jump in my car and take off. To anywhere at anytime. Just leaving it to chance to find fuel in the middle of nowhere. Knowing that you cannot ever do that, doesn't appeal to me.
paul m it’s better with the newer EVs. I found the new Leaf covered 150 real world miles for me. There are rapid chargers everywhere where meaning a max of 30 mins before your back on the road again 😁😁
Thirty minutes at best, probably much longer, is not OK if you`re running late. It`s that account gone. Probably the sack. There`s just no room for any fluidity of plans.
DC charging = at 40kW takes 20 to 25 min max. Thats not overnight. Itsvtakes thisblong if you charge with a domestic plug. Owning a EV is also investing in a walbox, chargetime reduced to 5 hours max. It takes a different set of mind driving an EV. Like a phone , i start charging round 40%, same with EV. Up to 80% takes less than 3 hours. EV still mostly used for short distances but 40000 miles in 3 years is not bad at all. I do less with a diesel car.
Great videos. I'd love to find a reasonably priced EV that would suit my needs, as I already buy my home electricity from a renewable supplier. Sadly, until there's an EV that will tow a caravan 200-300 miles in a day without too much hassle and until the caravan sites are providing recharging points as standard, I'll have to stay with dirty old diesel! Perhaps the answer is for caravans to incorporate additional battery capacity to boost the car. Now THERE'S an idea for the future!
British "proper English" pronounces "Battery" as "Bat-ree".... Ha ha. Leaf SL bought used a year ago. I have approx 28,000 statue miles (not Kilometers). My battery lost 10%. Not sure what abuse it experienced before I bought it, not sure.
The only reason why I watched this video was to find out how many miles you were actually able to Drive on a single charge. After 13 minutes of babbling you failed to do so .Thumbs down
Another great video full of useful information. I see some comments from leaf owners giving their opinion on the 5 year battery degradation. Thought I'd add mine. 2014 24kwh Leaf, now done 45k, always serviced yearly. Driven 60 miles daily and charged at home nightly. The battery percentage in the car is 12 bars and leaf spy says 98.4% as confirmed by my recent Nissan service. I think the battery will just be fine after 5 years. In fact you can debunk this myth simply by telling people to look at the used market. I've seen genuine 2013 leafs with full 12 bars and 2012 with 10 bars capacity. So replacing every 5 years is a myth.
Nice video and good numbers. The only thing that still puts me of is the initial purchase price.. A new Leaf is almost £30k new when a new petrol hatch back is circa £12-15k...
Your video and numbers certainly make a good case for buying a used Leaf though👍🏁
That battery question is so freaking frustrating. I drive a Tesla and that is how people will poo poo my car. They say. Well how much is a new battery or of course. What do you do when you run out. I answer them by comparing to an ice car. How much does it cost to replace your gas tank or what happens when you run out of gas. ? I don’t know a single Tesla person that had to replace their battery. I have 67000 miles in my model S and it’s degrade 4%
Chris Bates it has to be the most frustrating argument people use against EVs. Yes they have their shortfalls but Battery replacement isn’t one of them.
Hi Chris
17 years ago I bought a Peugeot 406 2 ltr diesel executive estate auto and sold it this year :(
It cost £21000 to buy and I did 130,000 miles in it so you can see even keeping it 17 years it still cost £1250/year in depreciation
I extended the warranty twice which was just as well because it needed two automatic gearboxes on warranty which would have cost £2000 each time never mind the rest of the maintenance costs, cam belts, brake disks etc
I loved that car , it never rusted but it was not cheap to own and run
Motoring is expensive, so like you I think it needs to also be fun
I would love to be able to own a Tesla but a Leaf is pretty great as well
Just point the doubters to
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I have a Zoe, bought the battery, warranty 70% for 8 years (it won't lose that). The thing is the battery is modular and you would be unlikely to have to replace the whole lot if it does lose a lot of capacity. I believe Nissan are offering refurbed batteries in some markets already at around £2.5k. Perhaps the old Top Gear where they slagged off the early EVs was repeated the other day?
@@EVOpinion here in Ireland we get most of our electricity from coal power plants so an electric car isn't much more environmentally friendly.
Steve 30x it is still better than refining fuel. The electric required to do that is huge!
Just playing devils advocate for a moment. If 3 years has seen a 9% loss, at 5 years that might be 16% (ish) and the loss of a capacity bar in the offing so, whilst there are scare stories around, battery degradation is still an issue. I read advice somewhere to the effect that you should take this into account when buying second hand because the 80 mile range might be a more realistic 65 in the real world. Such a car may be useable (it would do 90% of my stuff) but the reality is that the car's range is on a downwards trajectory and that will be an issue for many. Yet another good video by the way - really helpful.
No different than a clutch/transmission/ most cars don't have issues but some do.
Similar cost
My Highlander cost from Toyota was 6700cdn
Used a crashed doner tranny for 3000.
I get the same argument about my Prius battery.
Yet you can have em rebuilt for 1000,
4yrs 220,000 kms no issues.
Work car,drive it hard.
No issues at all, 70% brakes left.
Fuel savings 24000 vs my Highlander.
I wish I had a full electric also
My 2012 hit 64 percenr SOH after 58k and 5.5 ish years. I think it has to do with the a full 3.3 kw charge when its 15°F ... The pack heater only comes on at -14° F according to the manual. That is not good to charge a battery at those low temps :( anyway, thanks for sharing your experience and numbers!
I can’t fault the Nissan Leaf for our needs. It’s so cheap to run and super reliable. Plus we paid penny’s for it.👍😜
Age may more important than just mileage. I’m curious what SOH is after 5 years. My 2012 went fron 78% to 61% from year 5 to 6 while 80% charging. A hot summer in Nebraska with many 100 days probably didn’t help. Didn’t lose 10th bar until the first 15 F days of Winter.
I've got a -13 Tekna in Norway. 50'km (30' miles) SOH is 86.49 last I checked, still 12 bars.
My car got a Nissan update in -15, after that one it showed worse numbers on Leafspy. When I bought it in -15 it showed around 100%, and dropped around 10% that summer (lower numbers in "warm" summer, and "lost" % because of the update). Also I've seen worse numbers after some Leafspy-updates. Therefore I don't fully believe that mine has got almost 14% degredation. But anyway, it's safe to say it's held up good and the 5-year replacement myth is just that, a myth.
Here in Norway I believe that myth is created from the factory waranty of 5 years/100,000 km. So the petrolheads started saying that's when you'll have to replace the battery. Try asking them, well, did you have to replace the engine of your car at the end of warranty?
No need to worry about batts. Its other things you need to worry about. My Leaf only has 15,800 on it. The air bag warning light has started flashing.
David Fox oh no! Hopefully just a reset and nothing serious 🤞
lets hope. Will let you know
so under your conditions it should last the life of the vehicle- a nice long life to! even say in a place like arizona i imagine it should still be a good story
my 24kw is just coming up to 1 year old, only 2300 miles, was 95 soh when I had it about 10 weeks ago and already dropped to 90%! just hoping it needs a good charge cycle or at this rate I will be getting a new battery under warranty.
A few questions
1) Do you have to charge your car every night?
2) and do you happen to know how long it takes for battery to lose a noticeable amount of charge just sitting there? Because during my work far away from home I could be leaving the car sitting there for ~2 months at a time without moving it once.
3) Have you noticed any significant difference in range in the UK winter or summers?
Hi G P
in the order you asked
No you don't have to charge an electric vehicle every night it depends how far you intend to travel the next day and there are always rapid chargers which will have you up to 80% in half an hour on route
If you are leaving the car for a couple of months just charge to between 60 and 80% before leaving and it will be fine in a UK climate anyway
If its very cold you will lose a fair bit of mileage range maybe 20% or so but usually less
What app do you use to check vehicle stats?
Leafspy. If you search my videos you will see one that looks at it in full 👍
thank you for the video, love your channel. Can you do your US followers a favor? When you talk about prices can you translate to dollars? much appreciated! Keep up the good work my friend!
Mark Levenson I’m sorry. I know I’m really bad at remembering to convert. I do it for a few videos then forget again! I promise I’ll do better 😁👍
Thank you so much! Hope some day we can meet, and you can teach me how to drive on the other side of the road!
My 30kwh Leaf is now on 45k miles, still going strong with little noticeable drop in range.
Clarkson started this thing about needing to replace batteries. Some say he’s stupid, some that he hangs upside down before a show-all we know is he’s called Jezza! Not sure I spelt that right but thanks for a common sense attiude when you make these videos.
Michael Summers ha! Whilst I enjoy the grand tour it’s only recently they have started to acknowledge that EVs are an alternative. 😁👍
I loath Jeremy Clarkson with a passion, his shows are just last of the summer wine with cars. His hatred of bicycles is irrational also, being the most used vehicle on the planet, by many multiples of the car. Top Gear's catch phrase should have been , why let the truth spoil a good story.
Aaaaah that Jeremy he was at the BBC a bit too long and properly full of himself what he says just can’t take him too seriously he’s a properly over paid Jester is what he is he really makes this old yank split me sides on occasion 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mentioned briefly to a friend, that my next car would be fully electric. Now this guy wouldn't be able to afford a Tesla; tows a biggish trailer a few times a week over short distances; hauls all manner of things on & off-road; uses his pickup for all his road transport; and is generally tough on his vehicles. So at present, there not an EV that would suit all his needs and he has no intention if owning anything other than a 3.5 litre pickup. Given his circumstances, I won't hold this against him.
When he heard my decision, his only reply was, "But the batteries don't last." He said this in an earnest manner and in a way that he thought, would steer me away from some foolhardy action. Though he is an intelligent and considered person. He hasn't really researched EVs, as he knows that for his present needs, a big engined pickup, with serious off-road capability suits his needs. However, for him, he just knew in his heart of hearts, that EV batteries were/are short lived things. And by dint of this inherent knowledge, buying an EV was a fool's act of insanity and one to be avoided.
He's not the first person to think this way. And without the relevant info getting through to the masses, changing over to most drivers being EV drivers, is going to be a slower process. In my personal experience, the franchised dealers are a major contributor of disinformation regarding EVs, their true capabilities and their tech as a whole.
Also some, (not all) motoring journalists, reviewing, (in a recent comparative review) of the 64kW Kona, 40kW Leaf and the BMW I3 REX. That they were all very good and worthwhile purchases. But only useable as second cars, to petrol or diesel cars. And only really any good, for doing the shopping once a week.
Im often amazed, that humans made it out of the trees and like more than just bananas.
Really good video. It’s crazy that people even talk about the batteries. Very long warranties on them. 40000 miles with 91% remaining. What more could anyone possibly need to know?
The price to replace the whole battery?
There's a very famous Norwegian, Bjorn Nyland.Now since he's had his model x for few years(and he had model s for LONG time to) I think he's done around 116.000 kmh on his first battery before it was replaced,because of a fault. Now this person I watch for many years.He absolutely punishes car and does far more than even a driver doing 20/30 Thousand per year,he shows BATTERY teck even when abused can last along time,and can be reused . IF that's not enough then watch FULLYCHARGRD, first of its kind EV event at Silverstone.
I wanted to go to Fully Charged live, but my niece had her quinceanera at the same time. I also live in Texas, so it would have cost a little over $2000 just to make the trip.
Mark Portch I have seen Bjorn and you’re right, he does punish his cars and gives very honest feedback. Fully charged live was a fantastic event. I would definitely recommend making the trip next year 👍
I baught a Nisaan Leaf for $7,000 dollars US back in December 2015. So far I have only lost one bar of battery capacity.
Hi EV, I'm looking at a 2015 nissan leaf xe model, it has 100000 kms on it, I've requested a health check from Nissan as it is a main dealership I'm buying from, what should I be looking for in regards battery life? A new battery is €5000 here in Ireland and I'm a bit concerned. Thanks and great vid!
Do u use the fast charger mostly. Im new to this and was wondering if by always using a fast charger would be ok for the battery. I gather it is, otherwise why offer it. Sorry if it sounds a stupid question, but if u dont ask, u dont get 🤣🤣
YA-NU DIDDLEESQUATS HAPPY GAMING I use my 7kw home charger every day. I rapid charge a couple of times a month. They say not to rapid charge too often but I know of taxi companies who have covered 100’s of thousands of miles just rapid charging.
NEW to LEAF - SERVICING HELP?
Hey, I am a new the leaf user. I have a 2016 Tekna model that I have bought used. I had an outlander PHEV before and so loved the electric idea I have now switched to full electric. I want to know about servicing. Should i sign up for the NISSAN pre service plan or just turn up to the dealers???
David Mckeown I tend to just book in when I need a service. Do you save any money by signing up for a plan?
@@EVOpinion it costs 15 per month. Includes seevice breakdown cover and updated maps. I am not sure what a normal service would be though. Alsk 10% of parts.
David Mckeown a minor service is £150 and a major £200. Over 4 years that’s £700. The service plan is £720 over 4 years. Both give you breakdown cover but the service plan gives you maps as an extra. Hope that helps 👍
Hey Ryan, thanks for your help. In one of your videos you talked about driving modes? Do you really drive with the B mode on all the time? Does this really work. Also could you direct me on what is the best app to use with an iPhone and an android? If there is another place or way to ask these types of questions let me know? Thanks
I'm driving an Outlander PHEV, looking at these Leafs, after a year, any regrets?
Glad you are back and more importantly that you took time off with your family! Truly appreciate the time and dedication and looking forward to what is coming .
They are selling me a 2015 leaf s for $9000 at a dealer with 66,230 miles...or should I buy a 2019 SL with 18,994 miles for $18,197 with one accident though.?? My commute is sometimes 40 miles and other days 60 miles round trip Monday through Friday. Car will be park in driveway here in Fresno California. I will be trading my 2009 Prius for a Nissan leaf
£79pm... thats about what I put in my car just on fuel each month 😄 my running costs for my extreamly reliable C180 for the last 30 months works out at £130.66 a month, and ive only done about 9000 miles in this time too!!! Petrol, road tax all adds up. Im seriously considering going electric
My figures are pretty similar to yours as far as electricity costs go. My wifes Leaf has covered 42000 miles I worked it out at costing us around £12 a week to do 300 miles. I am in the trade so servicing is done by me. MOT done by me at the place I work . It still has three of the original four tyres with 3mm tread I monitor them weekly. Never had a single mechanical issue.
Paint work has some marks due to it being parked in a public car park during the day.
Due to my job I am pretty cynical about cars in general but the Leaf is a very impressive car.
Do not have Leaf spy but still got the full 12 bars.
i wanna get a nissan leaf. i am aiming at the 30kwh 2018 version.. my concern is that i live on a tropical island and it gets to like 30 - 33 degrees here with s speed limit of 65 mph.. does anyone have any thoughts on temperature and battery degradation ?
I have a 2017 Tekna Leaf which I love. What are the chances that one day an uprated battery will be available for it. Say like 50kwh? I would probably buy that if the price was ok.
seems you got lucky with your battery but its not the same for everyone, read this report flipthefleet.org/2018/30-kwh-leafs-soh-loss/
we have got a 2013 leaf lost 1 bar and done 46000 but it still charges to 80 so its really not an issue and the other leaf is 2014 44000 and got full bars best cars we have had just waiting the leaf nismo to come out really like the sporty look it will be good competition on other ice cars
Your Leaf's battery degradation is coming out at 2% per 10000 miles, which is typical according to figures I can find on the web. However, there are reports that the 30kWh battery degrades faster than the 24kWh, possibly due to extra heating during rapid charging.
Adrian Pike just checked my 2018 40kw leaf battery and was shocked to see the battery soh is at 98% and I have only done 3000 miles
@@williamlorimer060867 The 40 kWh battery should be better than the 30 kWh, because Nissan prevent it from overheating during rapid charging. Check out the video from fancyabevmate, where he reports his battery degradation after 10000 miles (about 2% I think). It is certainly worth rechecking your SoH after a few more months to see if there has been any change.
I am planning on getting a 2019 Nissan leaf in a few months, until then I have an electric scooter and a pedal assist electric bicycle.
joshua smith I rode a e-bike a few weeks ago. It converted me! I had a brilliant day out on it 😁👍
Great video. My 2016 24kwh TEKNA just completed 20k miles today, SOH is around 95%, but the figures do vary, seem to improve after a long run. Surprised you didn’t mention your number of QCs vs L1/L2s, interesting to note you’ve done a lot of rapids ( over 300). My Leaf has well over a thousand L1/L2s - previous owner must have connected at least twice per day, whereas I often only charge once a week at home. On longer journeys I often use a rapid 2/3 times in a day and now have done almost 40 rapids, I was concerned that might be degrading the battery but heartened to see you’ve done over 300.... It seems to me that battery degradation will indeed be an issue for second hand EVs over 5years old, but not a critical issue, just a factor that will be worked into the market price like anything else. I also guess that many older EVs will be bought second hand purely as local run-arounds anyway.
Oops, just checked and you’ve actually only done 108 rapids, not over 300, not sure how I got confused. Anyway, that’s still quite a lot of rapids, more than twice the number I’ve clocked up so far...
Hi. Can we have an update for this year, please?
My 2014 24Kw Ascenta has 36K and still full 12 Bars. Would give you the %SoH but the dongle I bought doesn't support iPhone. Will come back when I have that sorted :)
Am about 200 a month for fuel for my diesel car lol
Thanks for the info. Planning on buying a used Leaf.
Grant Botto glad to help. I’m actually just about to hit 50k miles so keep an eye on the channel for an update 😁👍
The reason EVs are cheaper is because FUEL TAX is not paid. 70% roughly of the pump price of ordinary fuel is tax. When the government isn`t getting enough tax, because too many people are driving EVs, they`ll put one on EVs.
paul m it will be very interesting to see how the government of the day compensates for the loss of revenue. I think it will be a permanent loss of some sort. Maybe car tax that is collected by mileage and vehicle classification, mileage monitoring via MOT. It would have to somehow capture usage, otherwise it becomes unfair for some and not for others.
And that’s the issue. How will they load electricity prices for EVs without putting it up for domestic users (unless the push for range starts to need a dedicated high amperage spur...) so it may have to be another way.
BikingChap I have a friend who just bought his first EV. He’s getting fed up with looking for his nearest fast charge that he’s petitioning for a fast charge in the street. My guess is that he will be billed separately and that’s the route to tax usage.
Absolutely
I purchased a 2015 Nissan Leaf last September 2020 with very low mileage- 10,274 mls recorded- showing SOH 87.19%. It had only 84 QC,s, and 202 L1/L2,s. since new. Can anyone explain why the the battery has lost nearly 13% and why the battery in your leaf in this video with more QC,s and L1/L2 charges and 40.170 mls has only lost under 9%- appreciate your comments on this?
Obviously there are lots of reasons but have you tried a couple of rapid charges? Sometimes this can rejuvenate a battery. I’m also told resetting the BMS via Leaf Spy sometimes helps. I ha e never done this and would ha e to research how to. I am recording a 76500 mile update on my car at the moment so keep an eye on the channel as I discuss how I use my battery on that 👍
@EV Opinion Thanks- Have tried to avoid rapid charges but as you say this maybe what it needs- will let you know.👍
I own a Leaf and one extra cost was to change the disk breaks because I do not use the breaks much due to regenerative charging. In order to reduce that cost I have to use the breaks from time to time. I also have to change the disk breaks of our petrol car because we do not use it much and get rusty. That was around 300 UK pounds.
If you did 1000 miles in an ICE that managed 60 mpg (and let's face it hardly anyone manages that in reality) it would still be £100 per month in fuel alone (assuming the current price of around £6 per gallon). I do 500 miles per month in my Zoe and it costs £15 per month in electricity (no Polar subscriptions and in 18 months I've only needed a public charger three times though I plug in if I stop by a free one). I paid £90 for my first service and I think that is a rip-off considering how little work is required.
My LEAF is a Jan 2015 registration bought secondhand from Nissan Cared 4 with just over 14000 miles on the clock in August 2017. One year on and I'm now on 27768 miles, so I do a similar sort of milage to you. Had a recent, free service with the Nissan dealership, the battery got a 5 star rating and I still have all 12 bars. I put Nokia all weather's on before winter last year at a cost of about £500, let's face it the tyres supplied by Nissan are pants in mud and snow! Don't regret spending on the Nokians, they are excellent in snow and other conditions and are wearing extremely well, thanks Nikki at Transport Evolved for the recommendation. I haven't monitored my electricity use as closely as you, I just plug in when I get home, and we are not on any special tariff, although it is supposed to be from renewables. I recon the increase in my domestic electricity bill to be about £50 due to the car. Signed up for the vehicle to grid pilot at Fully Charged Live so that may well make a difference when it is installed. I'm very happy with the running costs and have no qualms about the battery degradation. My interest free car loan (two years left) costs me about the same as my monthly diesel costs for the previous car (Peugeot Partner) for the same monthly travel - £209/month. My insurance cost, including recovery, is only slightly more than for the Partner and I'm no longer paying road tax. Considering I'm buying a much more luxurious and comfortable car, albeit slightly less practical than the Partner, in immaculate condition, I think I've got a pretty good deal. When the loan is paid off in two years I'll be enjoying some cheap motoring I think.
That seems very affordable running cost wise. I'm just thinking about my petrol car which is a 2003 Nissan and I think per week not that I drive much but just fuel, which is currently over $1.50/L here(AUD) is about $20AUD but I only drive weekends mostly taking public transit the rest of the time. Having an EV though would be nice as my fuel gauge is usually between 1/4 and empty so I could leave the EV trickle charging all week and drive out Friday morning with a full 'tank' and no more engine noise either, probably only be $20AUD for an entire month. Unfortunately here in Australia the initial outlay is high due to no or very few at least government incentives and the lack of options for EVs or the ongoing 'coming soon' from manufacturers.
Hi looking to buy a 2017 24kw accenta leaf with 17500 miles. Car looks like new in and out but my only concern from your video is the battery health is 91%, same as your 40000 miles. Should that make me worried?
Hello from yank land mate did enjoy the video what it cost u to own the car let me say those are impressive figures,I’m thinkin bout the leaf and watching your video has moved me research along nicely Happy New year mate👍🏻👍🏻👋🏻👋🏻
What is normal Temperatures & normal family ??? 🤔
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Today there was 44 celcius in London 🙄
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Does it mean we are all Abnormal as result of UK unpredictable whether
Interested to know if you see any major effect on range with the 9% drop in battery. My 30kWh has done 18k and showing SOH around 94-96%, and range is as I'd expect (not owned it from new)
I plan to get a 2018 Leaf next month. I keep cars on average 10 years so I wonder about battery degradation. The manual says that to honor the battery warranty, a yearly battery check must be performed. Has anyone had the warranty cover a battery where this battery check wasn't done?
Watch out when it gets to 60000 plus. Your Air Con PTC Heater will go Nissan quoted 3100 for the part. Don't worry about the battery its other expensive parts that no one wants to talk about.
The 2015 Tekna doesn't use a PTC heater.
@@bloccospirale4280 Wrong/ guy you probably know who has a you tube channel was able to sell me one. It was from a salvaged 2015 nissan leaf Also other EV garage well known gave me a salvaged ptc part from a 2015 leaf also. They have probably changed the name changed slightly the part but ultimately it will cost you a lot of money. Stop talking about the battery other parts can cause a lot of money maybe not relative to you cause you sell it on but for someone buying an old leaf a real issue.
The 2015 Tekna (the car in this video) uses a heat pump not a PTC heater, which is an entirely different thing, and yes, I'm sure it would be expensive to replace
@@bloccospirale4280 Aware of this the point is its going to cost you a lot of money to replace this. Aware what a Heat Pump does got a ASHP in my house plus solar.
I have been to the Sunderland assembly plant and whilst there I was shown that all outside facing steel panels are galvanised, so rust is not a problem.
Hello please may I ask does it matter which OBD2 I buy as they seem to vary a lot in price?
Time to get rid just before you lose a battery bar, youll probably lose your first bar in the coming winter got rid of mine at 43000 with full bars
Excellent quality videos, keep it up my man!
AlphaMatt Fitness thank you 😁👍
I wouldn't put too much emphasis in the Leaf Spy readings. At least you need to compare readouts taken under the same temperature conditions and see how it develops.
My assumption is that the current measurement is compensated for temperature. Still each 'resistor' varies and this leads to errors.
When the current is not measured correctly the capacity is gauged incorrectly either exaggerating the kWh in the battery og underestimating it. This leads to wrong SoH's.
A tell tale of this is if you have either very large or small consumption figures compared to similar cars and driving styles. Also major deviations between summer and winter SoH's is a giveaway.
Battery wear... Well the first years 2011.12 and partly 2013 were not impressive - outright catastrophic in hot climate.
My own 24 kWh has now done 30000 km's I can't detect any deterioration - it has constantly been doing 130 km with 25-35 km to spare this summer as long as there is no headwind.... Even at 100 km/h on the speedo it does >130 km.
I hope it stays that way... It is a fantastic car.
Couldn't resist taking old data and comparing to new.
At 4300 km and bat temp at the 20-21 degrees C level. It read SoH 89% and Hx=90,87%.
Just now 29597 km bat temp 19-21 degrees C readings are SoH 92,22% and Hx=90,27%.
In both cases cell voltages hovered around 4,040 volts equal to 79% SoC (I limit to this level in weekends).
I have data in showing SoH over 100% in January (cold).
I wonder how many people watching this realize that the first model S taxi is still going and has over 100,000 miles on it and still at about 90%. If a taxi can make it, a "regular" EV can get you through 10 years which funnily enough, ICE owners don't usually keep theirs for that long. So, I think your Nissan will be just fine for at least double the time you have had it for currently and will get a new one because you ICE is just too expensive and more brands and availability will come to market.
That Tesla had a battery swap, but they say it was nothing to do with the high mileage it was just a faulty battery that was replaced under warranty, it also had a motor replaced under warranty too, so if you ask me its not as impressive as they make out, but a lot of the first model S cars had there motors replaced as they had bearing problems.
Hi Ryan, nice to see you back. I have a 2017 30kw Tekna with 26,110 I've had it since December last. I cannot charge at home so rely on Polar which I find excellent to be fair. I keep a close eye on leaf spy and I'm a bit concerned the other day it showing my SOH at 89.93 it has since creeped up to 90.32 when I bought it it was showing 100%. I've done approximately 4500 miles since I bought it.. It has done 332 QC & 338 L1/L2 . I must admit compared to your I am a little concerned at the drop in 8 month. What do you think, am I over reacting to these figures ? Love the channel by the way keep up the good work.. . Cheers Mike......
Nissan have released a BMS update for the 30kw Leaf as some of them are showing a large drop in SOH when actually they are fine and its a firmware bug. Might be worth looking into to see if thats whats causing your drop.
Hi Ryan, I have a 2015 Leaf S, with 58,000 miles now. Got it Nov2014. I track it with LeafSpy every 6-8 weeks. SOH is 92.7 as of last week. I’m pretty happy with that. I’m in upstate NY in USA, so a mix of temps (going to be 95F late heat wave this week, and we routinely get to 10F in winter) Thank you for sharing your battery numbers, that is helpful. Always enjoy your videos. Glad you’re getting back in to them! Take care.
Sean Reidy thank you and great figures. Out of interest do you rapid charge very often?
EV Opinion Ryan, no, I don’t use a quick charger very often at all. Only like a dozen times in the last 4 years. We have a regular 240v charger in the garage, and we actually charge to 100% almost every day. But I do time the charge (using a delay timer on the Siemens charger we use) so that the car is done charging as close as possible to when my wife is ready to leave for school. So the car does not sit at 100% for much more than 30mins before she is off to school. She has a 50mile round trip commute, and it’s our main vehicle on the weekends too. We love it, planning to keep it for a couple more years and then trade up to a M3 most likely.
I have just bought a Nissan leaf 30kw. Now the winter is coming on is it best to leave the a/c on auto instead of fiddling about with the different controls or does it use to much battery buy leaving it on auto.
Bob Chambers to be honest I just use mine the same as I would in an ICE car. The drop in range is minimal.
There are a lot of these "cost of ownership" videos on RUclips, but nobody seems to include one very major cost - insurance. How much is that? I hear things like 30%-50% more than ICE. Is it?
The Last Remaining Moderate nope. It doesn’t cost me any more. Lots of people compare an EV to their current ICE runabout. Don’t forget, even the basic EVs generally have more power and cost more so the insurance reflects this.
My 2015 Leaf Tekna with 12k per year fully comp is about £250 a year.
@@EVOpinion I forgot to mention USA. But still...
My current ICE, Hyundai Elantra GT (I don't what it's called in Britain), 6 years old, $20,000 new, $6600 current, costs me about $1100/year (873 Pounds) to insure. So obviously, insurance is a much bigger concern over here than there.
Which brings up another problem. There are at least a dozen Brits with EV channels on RUclips, but only one or two (that I can find) on this side of the pond, and they tend to be in California, which might as well be a foreign country. Us poor Yanks really have no good source of information, nor do we really have many available EVs in most of the country. Frustrating.
Ive got 16 reg Accenta+, with 21000 miles on it. And battery SOH only 90%. Should I need to worry? Mileage is twice lower than yours, and it your Leaf is 1 year older. But my battery degraded more..
If its a 30kw it might need the BMS updated to show the correct SOH
its a 24 kWh
I've just reserved a used 2016 30Kw Tekna with 53k miles on it. I am not entirely worried about the battery, but what would be interesting to know is at what degradation level would nissan replace it within the 8 year warranty that it comes with?
ah found it on the web site where they say **The Nissan LEAF & eNV200 lithium-ion battery state of health guarantee protects against battery capacity loss (less than 9 bars out of 12) as shown on the in vehicle capacity gauge for a period of 8 years / 100,000 miles* for 40 kWh vehicles and 8 years / 100,000 miles* for 30 kWh vehicles and 5 years / 60,000 miles* for 24kWh vehicles. For LEAF flex customers, the battery state of health guarantee applies for the duration of the battery lease.
Glad you found it 😁👍
how much time it takes to charge full at home?
You mentioned you measured the wattage used by your Leaf. I assume that you have a separate meter of some kind. Could you give me some details of how you do it.
Robert Wood when my charger was installed they put a meter between my fuse box and the charger which records KwH’s used 👍
Great video! thank you
The range of an ICE car is NOT the maximum amount of fuel in the tank. Say 250 or 300 or 350 or whatever. It`s INFINITE. Because you just refill the tank in 5-10 minutes at most. And off you go again. Whereas the EV is grounded. For many hours. Probably overnight. Which means you cannot add an unplanned trip to your planned ones. You have to plan everything, every trip, in great detail. Fine for some people but I don`t want to lead a stultifyingly boring life like that. I want to be able to jump in my car and take off. To anywhere at anytime. Just leaving it to chance to find fuel in the middle of nowhere. Knowing that you cannot ever do that, doesn't appeal to me.
paul m it’s better with the newer EVs. I found the new Leaf covered 150 real world miles for me. There are rapid chargers everywhere where meaning a max of 30 mins before your back on the road again 😁😁
Thirty minutes at best, probably much longer, is not OK if you`re running late. It`s that account gone. Probably the sack. There`s just no room for any fluidity of plans.
@@EVOpinion Not around my home town in Derbyshire there aren't sadly!
DC charging = at 40kW takes 20 to 25 min max. Thats not overnight. Itsvtakes thisblong if you charge with a domestic plug. Owning a EV is also investing in a walbox, chargetime reduced to 5 hours max. It takes a different set of mind driving an EV. Like a phone , i start charging round 40%, same with EV. Up to 80% takes less than 3 hours.
EV still mostly used for short distances but 40000 miles in 3 years is not bad at all. I do less with a diesel car.
Another great video, thank you for sharing.
What is gonna happen if EV getting to water like in flood?
It will be salvaged just like any other car. Water is not good for any car.
Nothing that wouldn't happen to an ICE car. The electrics are all sealed away.
Great vid
Great videos. I'd love to find a reasonably priced EV that would suit my needs, as I already buy my home electricity from a renewable supplier. Sadly, until there's an EV that will tow a caravan 200-300 miles in a day without too much hassle and until the caravan sites are providing recharging points as standard, I'll have to stay with dirty old diesel!
Perhaps the answer is for caravans to incorporate additional battery capacity to boost the car. Now THERE'S an idea for the future!
Great report thanks.
Andy Hiscock thank you 😁👍
British "proper English" pronounces "Battery" as "Bat-ree".... Ha ha. Leaf SL bought used a year ago. I have approx 28,000 statue miles (not Kilometers). My battery lost 10%. Not sure what abuse it experienced before I bought it, not sure.
The only reason why I watched this video was to find out how many miles you were actually able to Drive on a single charge. After 13 minutes of babbling you failed to do so .Thumbs down
Dominic Held 80 if I’m careful 50 if reckless 👍.