@@tobiascox4607 I think they're making a little bit of a comeback given what I've seen in the last few beer festivals, perhaps. Had some good mid to low strength bests.
Unfortunately, it's nothing with their lack of Brewing knowledge, and everything to do with their profit margins! Glucose syrup is the cheaper option, so profits are increased!
@@NerdAdventurer85 only a tiny fraction of any market's consumer base are connoisseurs, so no. Highest profits will always be in mass produced, mass consumed, type of stuff.
Totally agree with you. Heineken have done the same with this beer as they have with every beer company they have bought. As you have said in other reviews like Newcastle Brown Ale they have sacrificed the standard and quality for overly mass produced cheep beers. To me it looks like they are taking a standard beer and adding colouring and artificial flavours to try and replicate what was one a cracking beer. Unfortunately they have failed and failed big time and it is such a shame. Nice to hear your review and thank you for your honest thoughts. Keep up the good work. M
Newcastle Brown Ale Lagunitas recreated that one.... hence there ran by Heineken don't get me wrong Heineken lager is a great drink ... its just hard to appreciate old beer brands today that have been changed for the worst..
This is one of the reasons Bitter has such a bad rap these days. I wish brewers would rebrand bitter so it appeals to today’s beer drinkers. It’s such a shame that so many brewers sold the land that their breweries were on to developers as most were purposely situated by a river so they could draw water to make the beer as along with the hops the water gave beer it’s unique taste.
No need to rebrand...just put decent beer inside the cans...not watery 3.6% crap...rack it up to 4.5% and it will become a different decent ale...heineken obviously dont give a shit about J Smiths....just focusing on their own lager...
John Smith's isn't meant to be a crafty beer. If you think of Extra Smooth as a lightly alcoholic creamy iced tea it'll stone your crows all day long. Love it.
Should do one on stones bitter. I had a pint in local pub in sheff and was expecting it to taste like shit but it was actually really enjoyable pint. Then I got the stones headache and my mate got the stones chronic shits 😂
Glucose derived from a certain mash schedule , not syrup, can be desirable for certain strains of yeast , so they produce more banana esters (well in the case of hefeweizen). Here it's probably to boost gravity and reduce costs. Shocking .
You’re here slating John Smiths and the state of it. But you will always be remembered for bottling it when it came to giving an honest review of Greene King when stood face to face with them. I bet you would do the same and bottle it, if stood face to face with John Smiths.
Shocking as this beer is, I suspect it’s largely responsible for weaning us 40-somethings off the generic lagers and into bitter, in the late 80s and early 90s. Credit where it’s due - although that does add a bit of irony to the fact that it’s owned by Heineken!
Just to point that John Smith and Sam Smith weren't brothers... John Smith took over an existing brewery in 1847 (the brewery that is now Sam Smith's) but soonafter built his own brewery in the town and left the original building empty. John had two brothers - William and Samuel (Senior). When he died in 1879 he left his assets to his brothers. William took on the John Smith's Brewery but the old brewery was left empty. In 1886 William himself died and left the empty building to his nephew Samuel Junior. It is that Samuel (the nephew) who re-equipped the Old Brewery and started brewing again in the late 1880s/early 1990s. So there was none of this "competition between the two" - they weren't brewing at the same time. John Smith died 7 years before Samuel (Jr) took on the old brewery. One assumes that William's children continued brewing at the John Smith's Brewery which was eventually sold to Courage in 1970.
Drinking a can just now as it's my B-Day John smith's extra smooth has always been one of my favorite Bitters. I remember being kind of intrigued to what a widget was so I cut a can in half to see what I would say resembled a ping pong ball. I was so disappointing. I don't know what I expected to find but I thought it was going to be a little more high tech.
Lol!!!!! "I fear for my health" Lol lol lol... That's how i feel every time I have to choke down a miller, budwiser, or coors beer lol. Been a long time followed of your channel from across the pond. Hope you enjoy your next review a little better!
I am well into my craft beers now, in fact starting to review on my channel. But I still love a pint of John’s especially in a pub garden in sweltering weather
John smiths isn't supposed to be a craft beer. It does exactly whats expected. Smooth creamy easy drinking bitter with very mild taste and no after taste. You can neck this stuff all day long. Its an easy drinking classic.
4:21 They call it ISOHOP - this is used in the big breweries to avoid additional sedimentation of hop leaves during the post fermentation/ malting process.
Being 19, the only beer I've ever really drunk has been craft beer. I decided to buy this to see what was it was like and holy shit is this bad. Honesty just takes like water with a slight malt flavour.
John Smiths Bitter was originally a drink for the masses when there was massive industry in Yorkshire and was there to slay a thirst after hard days shift. It was always an average drink for the average man. In here in the north East we got and still do get Magnet and it was a staple in social/working men’s clubs. Magnet is a better beer but only slightly as again it’s an average beer produced for the average man. During the 90’s lots of beers were bastardised with the “smooth” craze but all it did was ruin the mass, average beers we had. I’ll admit I used to drink johns smiths bitter 20 years ago but once the nitro craze hit I started drinking Magnet or if not available Newcastle brown ale in bottle (that’s a long time ago lol). Even today when I go to my local social club (which is not very often) I will still drink Magnet and although it’s not a patch on any decent craft beers it’s still ok and drinkable for a mass produced average mans beer. John Smiths smooth is absolutely vile and the best description of it I’ve ever head was “a pint of volcano water” !! The biggest problem with John Smiths now is that beer drinkers tastes have progressed and moved on to more complex and flavourful beers. John Smiths on the other hand was an old fashioned industrial thirst quencher British beer 20 years ago and now it’s owned by Heineken they are producing this old fashioned beer down to a price with artificial ingredients and additives. Heineken have done a similar thing with Newcastle brown and it’s not even a shadow of its former self which is sad as these beer in their heyday were some of the best tasing beers of their time. I’m not sure they would cut in it today’s craft beer world but the original recipes would taste a hell of a lot better than these chemical added brown drinks that are being passed of as beer by big mass production breweries. Joff 👍👊🍺🍺
there are still millions of people who do a proper day's shift thanks, and need to slay a thirst, life is still hard for most people when it comes to making a living
chrish12345 I never said there wasn’t mate !! My point was that our taste palettes have changed so the beer that the masses drank years ago doesn’t taste anywhere near as good as we people thought back then. My post wasn’t about work ethnic it was about the changing tastes of beers. I know 20 years ago I drank my fair share of John Smiths Magnet but now it wouldn’t even feature on my to drink list unless there was no other option. If you took work ethic from it then you clearly missed the point of my comment !!
I seem to remember that the John Smith's Original in the 1980's and early 1990's was a reasonable tasting pint, but yes after making my own homebrewed craft beers from kits and the commercially available ones, JS Original tastes like piss water! They send it to the big supermarkets and some people just buy it out of habit even though it tastes crap. They maybe messed about with the receipe in the 90's sometime when Carlsberg too it over? at the same time the ABV was dropped. And you can get still get at least half reasonable canned beers of only 3.2% like Daniel Thwaites Dark Mild - but John Smiths is very watery I find. A similar thing has happened to 'Boddington's Bitter' once brewed down the road from me in Manchester and it was an easy drinking albeit not spectacular session beer - but the Strangeways (Boddies) Brewery was closed in the 1990's and the production moved elsewhere in the country (I think it is now sold in cans and brewed in Luton by InBev?) and it is truly awful and watery like JS. They also dropped the ABV of Boddingtons Bitter - it is available locally to me around the Manchester area on draught but tastes equally as awful as in the cans!
"I fear for my health." That's because of what you eat. This however, is a worthy review and well done for calling Heineken out. I was in a pub last week and the offer was Wainwright (dish water and disgusting) or John Smith's Smooth. I refuse to drink smooth from any brewery, it is vile, disgusting stuff. So I sat in a pub waiting for my comrades to finish their Wainwrights. Dear God. Sam Smiths is a wonderful beacon among the brewing industry. Damn fine piece of work.
I like john smiths on draft, first bitter I drunk & been trying new ones ever since. But weirdly never had it from a can. It will always have a place on my tongue
It's not a bad pint..the extra is smooth but Wothy creamflow is better. Still I don't find it as bad as you say but it's not as good as even the most basic craft ale
I was in London for a time back in 2007 and I always loved getting a pint of JS Extra Smooth at the end of the day. It was malty, slightly sweet, creamy, a very tasty beer. I haven't had one since because I can't get JS here where I am in the USA. I think the Heineken purchase was done in 2008 so that was after my experience with this beer. Such a shame to hear that Heineken ruined such a wonderful beer. Wow, just totally disappointing.
Think there's as many bad real ales out there to be honest. One of the best pints I've ever had was Tetley's back in the day (70's/80's). Just an amazing pint and so smooth and creamy. Trouble is it's no longer brewed in Leeds and has been bastardised by Carlsberg who can't even make a decent larger. Seems the art of great bitter making is vanishing although Holt's in Manchester and Sam Smith's in Taddy are still decent pints.
@Girls on film ....Lol...cold stewed tea....Yeah that sounds absolutely accurate and from someone who has a very balanced view about the different beers from back in the day.
The smooth is a marvellous beer if you really don't want to taste anything. It's quite funny watching this. I was at Northern Monk a few days ago, had a couple of drinks and picked up some cans including the fantastic Even More Death. Beers like this are cheap but aren't any kind of value for money. Most of it's tax anyway so you're way better off spending a little more for something with flavour. Spend 70p a can more, which won't even buy you a chocolate bar and a packet of crisps, and enjoy the experience.
I’m all for big companies helping to facilitate craft brewery’s getting good beer out as far as they can...but they shouldn’t mess with brewing..leave the brewery to do what they do, people will pay for good beer so just make it easily available.
John Smiths, Ruddles, GK IPA, Belhaven Best, Worthington's, Carling, Bierre Moretti and Peroni are the rankest excuses for beer I've ever tasted. Bleugh.
I love all the different styles of craft beers you mention, and maybe its controversial but I quite like a John Smiths Extra Smooth. It's nothing like a craft beer and I don't think it's trying to be to anything like a craft beer... to compare them is a bit dumb IMO.
Lovely beers from Sam Smiths, shame about their pubs. You aren’t allowed on any devices such as laptops, phones or tablets. You cannot swear either. Very bizarre rules, but that’s Humphrey Smith for you!! He shut one of his pubs down a year ago, because he heard a customer swear... bonkers!
Had many JS Magnet in the Station Inn Redcar before it was turned into a Morrisons car park ...😢 .... the taps flowed freely all day ... a drinkers pub and the Magnet was ... well ... magnificent. Sorely missed ... 😢
Also sorry have to say you the bier hooligan and deans reviews are the best you tubers doing this . So much passion so much honesty as a fellow beer lover I have to say carry on the good work . I will be telling all my fellow beer lovers to subscribe to all 3 immediately great stuff!
Thanks James, lots of hard work but totally worth it. On the Doombar question, Sharp's used to brew a Connesuirs (cant spell that word`0 range of beers which they have now stopped to fully focus on Doomar, its not a great beer but better than Worthingtons which it replaced in a lot of pubs.
Worthingtons draught smooth is sold in Irish wetherspoons. Guinness Ireland got on in the 1990’s nitro bitter craze with a 3.7 percent ordinary bitter called Cherry’s a sad end for a name of a brewery in Waterford city (now distillery) that goes back to the 18th century
Funny I live in leeds and have visited tadcaster many times with my grandad and even though John Smith's has the largest brewery in town virtually every single pub is owned by Sam Smith's and are great.
At one time I used to drink John Smiths occasionally in pubs and thought it was ok. I don’t know if it’s changed or I just got older and wiser but I’d never buy it now
For me, the nitrogen is the ONLY redeeming quality of this beer. It's still awful, but drinkable. I couldn't imagine how the standard version tastes...
I remember drinking the smooths in the early nineties! Greenalls,tetleys and worthy woosh😂 thought I was cool at the time, however compared to today’s beers it’s like comparing Man City in both periods! Sad,boring and you feel sorry for them to now stylish,enjoyable and at a times Stone the crows.
I like watching reviews of beers I've already tried, it helps me find out *why* I like or dislike them. John Smith's Extra Smooth was actually one of my first experiences with beer, a cheeky sip from one of my dad's cans when I was a teen. And I never wanted to touch it again, "atrocious" is an appropriate word, and my next beer being Carling years later (which I notice gets mocked for being bland) was a somewhat pleasant step up lol
used to drink this in the late 1990s - along came the real ale renaissance. Sam Smith's have a pub up in Preston as it happens, must visit when the world goes back to normal.
@@pappathescooper yeah bro i got a 4 pack for £10 got smooth and normal its so expensive yeah and they want to do four packs so they can make more money. But bloody worth it i could drink 12 pack easily im salivating smooth is my fav. But i need to try john smiths magnet dad says its better but we could not find it 🤣🤪 its in Stockton and Middlesbrough where I’m from 🤭😏
A lot of these "nitrogen widget" beers are tasteless, they think the creamy smoothness from the nitrogen is enough to make up for the lack of flavour. Even Guinness is like toasted water.
Not seen Magnet before. John Smith's extra smooth is massive here in Cumbria with the older generation. My dad and his mates won't drink anything else.
I worked at John smith's back in 1984 made decent beer then. Sam smith's much better though, even if the owner is a bit of a ladies front bottom !. Both breweries are literally side by side in Tadcaster.
People on minimum wage can't afford craft beers so expensive hey we buy smiths and to be honest I like it, and I've tasted a few craft beers which taste like crap so yes not all craft beers are nice either
@Girls on film I do go out thanks but the bottled ones in shops and most pubs are expensive as you well know ,any beer is cheap in Wethers and to be honest i prefer a better class of pub
I can't see the point of adding nitro to any beer including Guinness ! I remember the days when Guinness original was bottle conditioned. Carbon dioxide is perfectly natural in beer and produced as a by-product of fermentation ! True a lot of beers are pasteurized and then carbon dioxide added later. But a lot of craft brewers managed to keep the carbonation achieved during fermentation process !!
John Smith's was always a terrible beer. Sam Smith's, on the other hand, make a range of fantastic beers from organic lager to imperial stout, wheat beer and more. I'd rate them as one of the world's top hundred breweries, especially if a requirement that the brewery must have stood the test of time to be on the list was a criterion. They were producing great beer one hundred years ago and will still be producing great beer in one hundred years time and they'll still be politely (for a Yorkshireman) declining multi-million pound offers to sell up from Marsden's,' InBev, and Carlberg if they're CEOs haven't learned their lesson by then!
@@gefthetalkingmongoose Well, there are tens or even hundreds of thousands of breweries in the world. To be rated in the top 100 you need to be in the top 1% at least and maybe even the top 0.1% There are some iconic breweries out there so it would be really hard to get into the top 100. They'd share the honour with the likes of Boon in Belgium, Jenlain in France, Traquair House, Thornbridge, Mad River from Humboldt County, California. In fact, Simon, if your reading this I'd be interested in your views on whether these deserve to be in the top 100?
Back in the 90s when it was pretty much just Boddingtons and John Smiths available everywhere as a bitter/ale drinker it was an awful time. I should have turned into a Guiness drinker then at least it was reasonably consistent
Don't like beer in cans, always tastes metallic to me prefere in a bottle or on draft, I have always been a "bitter lady" since my first pint in 1962 at age 17, but I also like an old ale high strength (7.0)
John smiths magnet was a good beer it was 4.2% and i think their original main beer but they stopped producing it on mass in 2011. Now its only distribute to a handful of selected pubs in Yorkshire, if you find it you are lucky and should give it a try 😉
Wouldnt be about their brewing knowledge. All about profit. It's a brand people are very set in their ways. Mass produce something at its cheapest equals 💰💰💰
Although Sam Smith's offerings are way superior in every department, I wouldn't say these are complete garbage; I've drunk both in an emergency and it/they served its purpose. They would by no means be my first choice, but I'd take these over bland gassy lager with the same ABV any day. Marks: JS Original - 4 out of ten; JS Smooth - 3 out of ten.
I had 2 cans of that awful Tadcaster Original a few months ago, [after i had drank all my Timmy Taylors Landlord and other craft beer] and i thought it was bloody awful, tasteless, no aroma at all, all i could taste was a ghastly extract aftertaste, the other 2 cans are still untouched and will remain so...appalling drink...in my defence i had the second can of tadcaster to see if was as bad as the first...and it was :-(
Hey Real Ale Craft Beer , we can get the extra smooth here in Cyprus and that along with Guinness makes a refreshing change from the diabolical Keo & Carlsberg. Go in to Morrisons find Keo on the shelf and start laughing like i did. You got to try it first😆. No Craft beers here. I was thinking of trying John smiths in a mini keg pressured by co2.
I always thought the standard John Smiths was tasteless trash, even back in the 80s. Not a patch on Stones and Wards back then, but even they ended up going the same way. Now John Smiths Magnet on the other hand, was a much better drink, although I haven't had that for years either. In any case Sam Smiths always wiped the floor with them as a brewery.
It's a shame bitters have gone this way, I was a massive fan of Boddingtons when it was in Manchester, but once the were bought out.....it nose dived
totally agree
@@tobiascox4607 I think they're making a little bit of a comeback given what I've seen in the last few beer festivals, perhaps. Had some good mid to low strength bests.
My dad loved Boddingtons, i wondering why he stopped supping it
I love the smooth flow beers, makes them like real ale down the pub and not fizzy and gassy like alcopops.
Unfortunately, it's nothing with their lack of Brewing knowledge, and everything to do with their profit margins! Glucose syrup is the cheaper option, so profits are increased!
Wouldn't they make more profit if they made decent Beer though? 😂
@@NerdAdventurer85 only a tiny fraction of any market's consumer base are connoisseurs, so no. Highest profits will always be in mass produced, mass consumed, type of stuff.
Carlsberg proves your point, nowhere sells it now. Fosters also@@NerdAdventurer85
Totally agree with you. Heineken have done the same with this beer as they have with every beer company they have bought. As you have said in other reviews like Newcastle Brown Ale they have sacrificed the standard and quality for overly mass produced cheep beers. To me it looks like they are taking a standard beer and adding colouring and artificial flavours to try and replicate what was one a cracking beer. Unfortunately they have failed and failed big time and it is such a shame. Nice to hear your review and thank you for your honest thoughts. Keep up the good work. M
Omg brown ale worst beer I've ever tasted
Newcastle Brown Ale Lagunitas recreated that one.... hence there ran by Heineken don't get me wrong Heineken lager is a great drink ... its just hard to appreciate old beer brands today that have been changed for the worst..
Beamish and Murphy’s from what I have read.
This is one of the reasons Bitter has such a bad rap these days. I wish brewers would rebrand bitter so it appeals to today’s beer drinkers. It’s such a shame that so many brewers sold the land that their breweries were on to developers as most were purposely situated by a river so they could draw water to make the beer as along with the hops the water gave beer it’s unique taste.
It is also why breweries used to be limited to certain beer styles. Guinness was limited to Porters and Stouts because of the Liffey water
No need to rebrand...just put decent beer inside the cans...not watery 3.6% crap...rack it up to 4.5% and it will become a different decent ale...heineken obviously dont give a shit about J Smiths....just focusing on their own lager...
Great to see these beers being outed keep on educating 🙏🏾💪🏾
You can fit a temperature controller to a standard perfect draft. It will cost about £5 in parts and let's you choose between 3⁰ and 10⁰.
John Smith's isn't meant to be a crafty beer. If you think of Extra Smooth as a lightly alcoholic creamy iced tea it'll stone your crows all day long. Love it.
Sam Smith's holds up to modern breweries for me. Such a great selection of incredible beers at insane prices.
Sam Smith's extra stout is an amazing beer if its well kept. Like a far far improved guinness
Shame about the owner being a top tw&t
even their organic lager and the wheat beers are amazing
Sam Smith’s chocolate stout is lovely
Not cheap anymore here in Yorkshire
Should do one on stones bitter. I had a pint in local pub in sheff and was expecting it to taste like shit but it was actually really enjoyable pint. Then I got the stones headache and my mate got the stones chronic shits 😂
Glucose derived from a certain mash schedule , not syrup, can be desirable for certain strains of yeast , so they produce more banana esters (well in the case of hefeweizen). Here it's probably to boost gravity and reduce costs. Shocking .
Newcastle Brown ale is another one in Heineken's hands and that is awful these days.
You’re here slating John Smiths and the state of it.
But you will always be remembered for bottling it when it came to giving an honest review of Greene King when stood face to face with them.
I bet you would do the same and bottle it, if stood face to face with John Smiths.
AndyGT1907 sorry mate- care to fill me in on what happened?
@@johncurtis8341 basically he went to the greene king brewery and was nice to them, even though their beer is awful
Shocking as this beer is, I suspect it’s largely responsible for weaning us 40-somethings off the generic lagers and into bitter, in the late 80s and early 90s. Credit where it’s due - although that does add a bit of irony to the fact that it’s owned by Heineken!
Totally agree. I now live in Australia and had a can of this a week ago. It now tastes like complete garbage and watered down flavourless
piss
A lot of stouts are still served on gas with a mix of co2 and nitro though and for certain styles of beer for me the nitro is absolutely required.
Or a sparkler if on cask
Just to point that John Smith and Sam Smith weren't brothers... John Smith took over an existing brewery in 1847 (the brewery that is now Sam Smith's) but soonafter built his own brewery in the town and left the original building empty.
John had two brothers - William and Samuel (Senior). When he died in 1879 he left his assets to his brothers. William took on the John Smith's Brewery but the old brewery was left empty.
In 1886 William himself died and left the empty building to his nephew Samuel Junior. It is that Samuel (the nephew) who re-equipped the Old Brewery and started brewing again in the late 1880s/early 1990s.
So there was none of this "competition between the two" - they weren't brewing at the same time. John Smith died 7 years before Samuel (Jr) took on the old brewery. One assumes that William's children continued brewing at the John Smith's Brewery which was eventually sold to Courage in 1970.
Drinking a can just now as it's my B-Day John smith's extra smooth has always been one of my favorite Bitters. I remember being kind of intrigued to what a widget was so I cut a can in half to see what I would say resembled a ping pong ball. I was so disappointing.
I don't know what I expected to find but I thought it was going to be a little more high tech.
My dad did the same thing years ago to show me the widget in the can when I was about 10 years old, except it was a can of boddingtons
I've tried Magnet. Unfortunately it's very popular in the north. I think it's completely tasteless. You're not missing out on anything.
Lol!!!!! "I fear for my health" Lol lol lol... That's how i feel every time I have to choke down a miller, budwiser, or coors beer lol. Been a long time followed of your channel from across the pond. Hope you enjoy your next review a little better!
I am well into my craft beers now, in fact starting to review on my channel. But I still love a pint of John’s especially in a pub garden in sweltering weather
John smiths isn't supposed to be a craft beer. It does exactly whats expected.
Smooth creamy easy drinking bitter with very mild taste and no after taste.
You can neck this stuff all day long.
Its an easy drinking classic.
4:21 They call it ISOHOP - this is used in the big breweries to avoid additional sedimentation of hop leaves during the post fermentation/ malting process.
It's grim! I used to love Ansells Mild... but that is long gone, such a shame what has happened in the UK.
Being 19, the only beer I've ever really drunk has been craft beer. I decided to buy this to see what was it was like and holy shit is this bad. Honesty just takes like water with a slight malt flavour.
John Smiths Bitter was originally a drink for the masses when there was massive industry in Yorkshire and was there to slay a thirst after hard days shift. It was always an average drink for the average man.
In here in the north East we got and still do get Magnet and it was a staple in social/working men’s clubs. Magnet is a better beer but only slightly as again it’s an average beer produced for the average man.
During the 90’s lots of beers were bastardised with the “smooth” craze but all it did was ruin the mass, average beers we had.
I’ll admit I used to drink johns smiths bitter 20 years ago but once the nitro craze hit I started drinking Magnet or if not available Newcastle brown ale in bottle (that’s a long time ago lol).
Even today when I go to my local social club (which is not very often) I will still drink Magnet and although it’s not a patch on any decent craft beers it’s still ok and drinkable for a mass produced average mans beer.
John Smiths smooth is absolutely vile and the best description of it I’ve ever head was “a pint of volcano water” !!
The biggest problem with John Smiths now is that beer drinkers tastes have progressed and moved on to more complex and flavourful beers. John Smiths on the other hand was an old fashioned industrial thirst quencher British beer 20 years ago and now it’s owned by Heineken they are producing this old fashioned beer down to a price with artificial ingredients and additives.
Heineken have done a similar thing with Newcastle brown and it’s not even a shadow of its former self which is sad as these beer in their heyday were some of the best tasing beers of their time. I’m not sure they would cut in it today’s craft beer world but the original recipes would taste a hell of a lot better than these chemical added brown drinks that are being passed of as beer by big mass production breweries.
Joff 👍👊🍺🍺
there are still millions of people who do a proper day's shift thanks, and need to slay a thirst, life is still hard for most people when it comes to making a living
chrish12345 I never said there wasn’t mate !!
My point was that our taste palettes have changed so the beer that the masses drank years ago doesn’t taste anywhere near as good as we people thought back then.
My post wasn’t about work ethnic it was about the changing tastes of beers.
I know 20 years ago I drank my fair share of John Smiths Magnet but now it wouldn’t even feature on my to drink list unless there was no other option.
If you took work ethic from it then you clearly missed the point of my comment !!
Even the independent regional brewers can be argued to make such beers
I seem to remember that the John Smith's Original in the 1980's and early 1990's was a reasonable tasting pint, but yes after making my own homebrewed craft beers from kits and the commercially available ones, JS Original tastes like piss water! They send it to the big supermarkets and some people just buy it out of habit even though it tastes crap. They maybe messed about with the receipe in the 90's sometime when Carlsberg too it over? at the same time the ABV was dropped. And you can get still get at least half reasonable canned beers of only 3.2% like Daniel Thwaites Dark Mild - but John Smiths is very watery I find. A similar thing has happened to 'Boddington's Bitter' once brewed down the road from me in Manchester and it was an easy drinking albeit not spectacular session beer - but the Strangeways (Boddies) Brewery was closed in the 1990's and the production moved elsewhere in the country (I think it is now sold in cans and brewed in Luton by InBev?) and it is truly awful and watery like JS. They also dropped the ABV of Boddingtons Bitter - it is available locally to me around the Manchester area on draught but tastes equally as awful as in the cans!
"I fear for my health." That's because of what you eat.
This however, is a worthy review and well done for calling Heineken out.
I was in a pub last week and the offer was Wainwright (dish water and disgusting) or John Smith's Smooth. I refuse to drink smooth from any brewery, it is vile, disgusting stuff. So I sat in a pub waiting for my comrades to finish their Wainwrights. Dear God.
Sam Smiths is a wonderful beacon among the brewing industry.
Damn fine piece of work.
I like john smiths on draft, first bitter I drunk & been trying new ones ever since. But weirdly never had it from a can. It will always have a place on my tongue
It's not a bad pint..the extra is smooth but Wothy creamflow is better. Still I don't find it as bad as you say but it's not as good as even the most basic craft ale
I was in London for a time back in 2007 and I always loved getting a pint of JS Extra Smooth at the end of the day. It was malty, slightly sweet, creamy, a very tasty beer. I haven't had one since because I can't get JS here where I am in the USA. I think the Heineken purchase was done in 2008 so that was after my experience with this beer. Such a shame to hear that Heineken ruined such a wonderful beer. Wow, just totally disappointing.
Think there's as many bad real ales out there to be honest. One of the best pints I've ever had was Tetley's back in the day (70's/80's). Just an amazing pint and so smooth and creamy. Trouble is it's no longer brewed in Leeds and has been bastardised by Carlsberg who can't even make a decent larger.
Seems the art of great bitter making is vanishing although Holt's in Manchester and Sam Smith's in Taddy are still decent pints.
@Girls on film ....Lol...cold stewed tea....Yeah that sounds absolutely accurate and from someone who has a very balanced view about the different beers from back in the day.
Ron Pattinson used to drink Tetley’s mild
The smooth is a marvellous beer if you really don't want to taste anything.
It's quite funny watching this. I was at Northern Monk a few days ago, had a couple of drinks and picked up some cans including the fantastic Even More Death.
Beers like this are cheap but aren't any kind of value for money. Most of it's tax anyway so you're way better off spending a little more for something with flavour. Spend 70p a can more, which won't even buy you a chocolate bar and a packet of crisps, and enjoy the experience.
It used be 4 percent alcohol
Love a john smiths when I'm in England, you need to get a pint of heavy when in Scotland e.g Belhaven best , love it
I’m all for big companies helping to facilitate craft brewery’s getting good beer out as far as they can...but they shouldn’t mess with brewing..leave the brewery to do what they do, people will pay for good beer so just make it easily available.
Cuando la probé, pensé, es cerveza? ...... y después pensé, con todo el respeto del mundo , ¿...y esta mierda le gusta a los ingleses...?
John Smiths, Ruddles, GK IPA, Belhaven Best, Worthington's, Carling, Bierre Moretti and Peroni are the rankest excuses for beer I've ever tasted. Bleugh.
Do they still make magnet
I love all the different styles of craft beers you mention, and maybe its controversial but I quite like a John Smiths Extra Smooth. It's nothing like a craft beer and I don't think it's trying to be to anything like a craft beer... to compare them is a bit dumb IMO.
I've always liked John smiths and felt it probably got me onto other ales. I do think it is simple though so i can see why people may not like it
Peter Thompson I liked it
I remember that now the caffreys and Kilkenny beers etc . That breo from Guinness also , rank
My best memory of London 1987.
I’m glad you agree that John Smith bitter is so bad.. my taste notes .. like a cheap bar of soap! Ugh! 🤮
'I think I'd rather have a glass of water' 🤣🤣🤣
What's is the beer do you recommend that is similar to Extra Smooth??
UnderBridge Juice by Kidney Brewers
John smiths is good when you want a drink but are still a bit raw from the crippling stomach acid you get from the stronger ones.
Your pour technique is terrible and John Smith's extra smooth is absolutely beautiful. All I drank when I loved in the UK for 10years.
Guinness Bitter RIP had a nice taste.
It absolutely did.
Such a shame.
Lovely beers from Sam Smiths, shame about their pubs. You aren’t allowed on any devices such as laptops, phones or tablets. You cannot swear either. Very bizarre rules, but that’s Humphrey Smith for you!! He shut one of his pubs down a year ago, because he heard a customer swear... bonkers!
Hopefully the heir is better
Now when I'm buying a beer I stay away from big name stuff. I remember when John smiths from a hand pump tasted great.
Had many JS Magnet in the Station Inn Redcar before it was turned into a Morrisons car park ...😢 .... the taps flowed freely all day ... a drinkers pub and the Magnet was ... well ... magnificent. Sorely missed ... 😢
Also sorry have to say you the bier hooligan and deans reviews are the best you tubers doing this . So much passion so much honesty as a fellow beer lover I have to say carry on the good work . I will be telling all my fellow beer lovers to subscribe to all 3 immediately great stuff!
Thanks James, lots of hard work but totally worth it. On the Doombar question, Sharp's used to brew a Connesuirs (cant spell that word`0 range of beers which they have now stopped to fully focus on Doomar, its not a great beer but better than Worthingtons which it replaced in a lot of pubs.
Worthingtons draught smooth is sold in Irish wetherspoons.
Guinness Ireland got on in the 1990’s nitro bitter craze with a 3.7 percent ordinary bitter called Cherry’s a sad end for a name of a brewery in Waterford city (now distillery) that goes back to the 18th century
Funny I live in leeds and have visited tadcaster many times with my grandad and even though John Smith's has the largest brewery in town virtually every single pub is owned by Sam Smith's and are great.
At one time I used to drink John Smiths occasionally in pubs and thought it was ok. I don’t know if it’s changed or I just got older and wiser but I’d never buy it now
For me, the nitrogen is the ONLY redeeming quality of this beer. It's still awful, but drinkable. I couldn't imagine how the standard version tastes...
I remember drinking the smooths in the early nineties! Greenalls,tetleys and worthy woosh😂 thought I was cool at the time, however compared to today’s beers it’s like comparing Man City in both periods! Sad,boring and you feel sorry for them to now stylish,enjoyable and at a times Stone the crows.
Isn't John Smith's and Samuel Smith's from the same family? *Edit, Never mind that. Also which brewery do you prefer?
honest and brutal assessment
Both cack beers, wasn't as harsh as you but still was particularly complimentary
I like watching reviews of beers I've already tried, it helps me find out *why* I like or dislike them. John Smith's Extra Smooth was actually one of my first experiences with beer, a cheeky sip from one of my dad's cans when I was a teen. And I never wanted to touch it again, "atrocious" is an appropriate word, and my next beer being Carling years later (which I notice gets mocked for being bland) was a somewhat pleasant step up lol
To me I find carling and a carlsburg tastes the same litrilly
I reccomend Timothy Taylor's cook lane IPA. Absolutely fantastic
Those beers AREN'T beers. I'm with you, I rather have a stout!
I love this beer, the one with nitrogen especially. But you know: de gustibus non est disputandum ;-)
Widget, it’s got a widget, it’s got a widget, it’s got a widget, a widget it has got.
Will be in my head all day now!
It’s the worst beer of all time , and glad you thought the same 🙏🏻👌🏻😂🍺
All tastes the same when your pissed anyway🤣
used to drink this in the late 1990s - along came the real ale renaissance.
Sam Smith's have a pub up in Preston as it happens, must visit when the world goes back to normal.
Chances are it is not open
when i went back to the uk i drank that all the time i loved its delicious
YES MATE!!!! I always look for it when I go back but you have to go to the most random places to find it. God bless 🙏
@@pappathescooper yeah bro i got a 4 pack for £10 got smooth and normal its so expensive yeah and they want to do four packs so they can make more money. But bloody worth it i could drink 12 pack easily im salivating smooth is my fav. But i need to try john smiths magnet dad says its better but we could not find it 🤣🤪 its in Stockton and Middlesbrough where I’m from 🤭😏
Bitter should be drunk from pumps, not cans
FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT.
The lowpoint of the Smooth beers was Carling Premier!!!!
Still find it amazing that Heineken bought a stake in Beavertown and left the beer untouched
Where I live in Spain the beer is all lager so when you get sick of it we only have horrible John Smiths smooth ,piss
A lot of these "nitrogen widget" beers are tasteless, they think the creamy smoothness from the nitrogen is enough to make up for the lack of flavour. Even Guinness is like toasted water.
Had Guinness nitro in a can the other day, exactly how you described it , just utterly flavorless and watery
Not seen Magnet before. John Smith's extra smooth is massive here in Cumbria with the older generation. My dad and his mates won't drink anything else.
I worked at John smith's back in 1984 made decent beer then. Sam smith's much better though, even if the owner is a bit of a ladies front bottom !. Both breweries are literally side by side in Tadcaster.
good for cleaning the patio with
Our kid loves that JS smooth buys it every week ten bob a wagon load happy days 😄
People on minimum wage can't afford craft beers so expensive hey we buy smiths and to be honest I like it, and I've tasted a few craft beers which taste like crap so yes not all craft beers are nice either
@Girls on film I do go out thanks but the bottled ones in shops and most pubs are expensive as you well know ,any beer is cheap in Wethers and to be honest i prefer a better class of pub
@Girls on film yes I supose
I can't see the point of adding nitro to any beer including Guinness !
I remember the days when Guinness original was bottle conditioned. Carbon dioxide is perfectly natural in beer and produced as a by-product of fermentation ! True a lot of beers are pasteurized and then carbon dioxide added later. But a lot of craft brewers managed to keep the carbonation achieved during fermentation process !!
I've just read on the can that John Smith's Extra Smooth contains glucose syrup!! I will NEVER ever drink it again!
John Smith's was always a terrible beer. Sam Smith's, on the other hand, make a range of fantastic beers from organic lager to imperial stout, wheat beer and more. I'd rate them as one of the world's top hundred breweries, especially if a requirement that the brewery must have stood the test of time to be on the list was a criterion. They were producing great beer one hundred years ago and will still be producing great beer in one hundred years time and they'll still be politely (for a Yorkshireman) declining multi-million pound offers to sell up from Marsden's,' InBev, and Carlberg if they're CEOs haven't learned their lesson by then!
Ha top hundred? They'll be thrilled
@@gefthetalkingmongoose Well, there are tens or even hundreds of thousands of breweries in the world. To be rated in the top 100 you need to be in the top 1% at least and maybe even the top 0.1% There are some iconic breweries out there so it would be really hard to get into the top 100. They'd share the honour with the likes of Boon in Belgium, Jenlain in France, Traquair House, Thornbridge, Mad River from Humboldt County, California. In fact, Simon, if your reading this I'd be interested in your views on whether these deserve to be in the top 100?
Back in the 90s when it was pretty much just Boddingtons and John Smiths available everywhere as a bitter/ale drinker it was an awful time. I should have turned into a Guiness drinker then at least it was reasonably consistent
Now awful consistency in the Uk
love those Welsh real ales..
I like john Smiths beers nice
Used to drink this back when I was a wee boy.
I think you’re wrong, they weren’t brothers … the Samuel Smith brewer was the son of Johns brother Sam, apparently?
I love a pint of johnsmiths extra smooth
I was waiting for the glug-glug-glug of it being poured down the sink...
Don't like beer in cans, always tastes metallic to me prefere in a bottle or on draft, I have always been a "bitter lady" since my first pint in 1962 at age 17, but I also like an old ale high strength (7.0)
Tried some of the nitro ones a few months ago wasn't for me gave the brother in law the other three cans he'll drink dishwater😳 wasn't impressed 🤪
You just saved me €50, thank you.
John smiths magnet was a good beer it was 4.2% and i think their original main beer but they stopped producing it on mass in 2011. Now its only distribute to a handful of selected pubs in Yorkshire, if you find it you are lucky and should give it a try 😉
I remember Magnet in the early 90's...im sure it was 4.5%...superb beer on tap....seriously drinkable beer!
This review still makes me laugh. Such true words!!
yes Jake Pearson he's right. But why does he keep on drinking a beer that he has just called "atrocious"?
Samuel Smith was actually John Smith's nephew.
Wouldnt be about their brewing knowledge. All about profit. It's a brand people are very set in their ways. Mass produce something at its cheapest equals 💰💰💰
Although Sam Smith's offerings are way superior in every department, I wouldn't say these are complete garbage; I've drunk both in an emergency and it/they served its purpose. They would by no means be my first choice, but I'd take these over bland gassy lager with the same ABV any day. Marks: JS Original - 4 out of ten; JS Smooth - 3 out of ten.
I had 2 cans of that awful Tadcaster Original a few months ago, [after i had drank all my Timmy Taylors Landlord and other craft beer] and i thought it was bloody awful, tasteless, no aroma at all, all i could taste was a ghastly extract aftertaste, the other 2 cans are still untouched and will remain so...appalling drink...in my defence i had the second can of tadcaster to see if was as bad as the first...and it was :-(
Hey Real Ale Craft Beer , we can get the extra smooth here in Cyprus and that along with Guinness makes a refreshing change from the diabolical Keo & Carlsberg. Go in to Morrisons find Keo on the shelf and start laughing like i did. You got to try it first😆. No Craft beers here. I was thinking of trying John smiths in a mini keg pressured by co2.
I always thought the standard John Smiths was tasteless trash, even back in the 80s. Not a patch on Stones and Wards back then, but even they ended up going the same way. Now John Smiths Magnet on the other hand, was a much better drink, although I haven't had that for years either. In any case Sam Smiths always wiped the floor with them as a brewery.