Yeah but the committee has been saying eye test for so many years. And now all of sudden the eye test has gone out the window. Because eye test tells me that Penn State, ND and Indiana are all not better than Bama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee
Folks have short memories (David). The committee used the SOS last year to keep Georgia out of the playoff. Yet here we are this year saying SOS isn’t important. SMH.
Georgia had no business being in that Title Tournament they were eliminated when they went up against Alabama in a play-in game-the nerve it takes to promote a loser team over a Conference Champion with a good or better on field performance. Georgia might have great rosters-appears they have struggles being a good team and winning games. Good luck with UMass-in November no less-the mark of a coward, not a Champion.
@@BetterDays-e8h What a delusion. Two NC's and the only team to beat them in 3 years was Alabama. After Bama beat them in 2021, UGA beat them in the NC. What did UGA do to hurt your feelings?
@@BetterDays-e8h LOL, the CFP chairman stated this week that they will not penalize a team that loses their conference championship. Yet again, another flip flop from what they did last year. Your hate comes off as petty. Youngstown State, Arkansas State or Mercer perhaps are more worthy opponents for you eh? SMH. Try smarter, not harder.
@@boroblueyeshe’s right tho. For one the two NC’s have nothing to do with last year. That’s not and shouldn’t be a factor in deciding if a team gets into the playoffs. 100% irrelevant. Georgia shouldn’t have lost the SEC championship. Last year was the first time there were multiple teams either undefeated or with 1 loss. Someone had to be left out. It’s perfectly fair to leave out the non-conference champion.
And that's just the Big Ten teams, out of conference? Idaho, Kent State, Marshall, Akron, Western Michigan, FIU, Western Illinois. Every conference plays cupcakes, it's just the Big Ten has more cupcakes in their conference.
I get so tired listening to this convo and 99% of the speakers never mention WHERE the game was played! Georgia went on road versus Bama, Texas, and Ole Miss. all 3 games were night games also. These things matter a lot!!
And Green (GA left tackle) was playing with an injured left arm. He was getting beat ever play. Playing a tougher schedule creates more possibilities for injury.
@@BetterDays-e8h Depends on who you're playing. In the SEC it's like a playoff game ever week. Like to see Penn St , Indiana, and Notre Dame play the likes of UGA,BAMA, Texas, Ole MIss, Tenn and heck even South Carolina could beat Indiana and Penn St at the moment. THere's never a week off, like in the Big 10.
By definition the elite teams should be able to separate themselves, but they can’t in 2024 one of the reasons they play Mercer in November. Second losing is not better than winning. Third if the SEC is the elite, next level conference, schedule home and homes with the P4 schools that you dismiss. You don’t-check out the last time a SEC team visited Autzen, it’s fun to score points on the SEC!!! The SEC is running a racket, they want status but avoid competition. It’s all over the board. I’m not alone. CFB don’t want to hype you off the field, if you win on the field great, but the SEC has bad teams, basic teams, good teams, and two or three elite teams every season. Nobody wants to see anything but the elite teams in the National Title Tournament-so stop hyping the SEC good teams as elite anywhere else, doesn’t play. It’s talk. This has been an off season for the SEC the last thing we need is a 12 team National Title a tournament stuffed full of mediocre also ran SEC what are the elite three SEC teams this year? That’s harder than you think and no bearing Arkansas isn’t impressive this year, as Big 12 basement dweller OSU. SEC 2024, no Big Deal.
Bring back the BCS. Strength of schedule should be : win vs a team ranked at the time is 10 points, +5 if the win was on the road, and finally if that team you beat is ranked at the end of the year +10 more points. Ranked victories Must matter.
David is being obtuse bringing up Mississippi states strength of schedule and comparing them to Georgia. Nobody is saying only SOS matters, you have to actually win as well. The point of the committee is to give us the best teams, and nobody on earth thinks Indiana, Penn State, or Miami would beat Georgia, Tennessee, or Ole Miss.
Yea but if Georgia played Indiana or Penn States schedule they would be undefeated, hell if they played Texas schedule they would be undefeated! These rankings are trash
Angie I'm fascinated as to how your mind works! So U believe Georgia would be undefeated if they played vs Ohio State but they were down 28-0 vs Alabama and lost by 18 to Ole Miss who lost to both LSU and a Horrendous Kentucky AT HOME. If u could be so kind please make that make sense? Sincerely
Whoa, back off on Texas, one of the Top 3 teams in the country if not the best team in the country. Texas also has THE two best college quarterbacks in all of football and let me know who will stop them? Like there isn't a team out there that can stop the Longhorns. I'm looking down the list of the TOP 12 and not one can stop them. Georgia deserves to be ranked around 10th.
So the top SEC teams manhandle mid B10 teams? You are championing defeats over a 11th in the B10 5-5 Wisconsin (Iowa beat them at the same margin Bama did) and 10th in the B10 5-5 Michigan (Oregon beat them by a wider margin than Texas) team? USC is 12th in the B10 and 5-5 and beat LSU this year. Same LSU that beat Ole Miss this year. Michigan beat Alabama last year in the playoffs, Washington beat Texas last year in the playoffs. SEC had a losing record against power 4 conferences last year. Georgia wrecking Clemson was immpressive. Outside of that? A really poor Oklahoma St., team, which has not won a conference game in the Big 12, beats Arkansas. Cal, which gave Florida St. it's only win this year, beat Auburn. When it's not the SEC's top teams against other conferences' bottom feeders, and it's more evenly matched relative to their places in their respective confrences, the SEC doesn't come out looking great.
To explain this, wins and loses are important, but you have to see that a SOS of 1 vs SOS 106, shows that one team played great teams and lost, and the other played a cupcake schedule and won all the games. Look, let Vegas take the bias out, and see that Georgia would be a 17 point favorite over Indiana, but Ind is 4 and Georgia is 9. FSU last year was a joke, undefeated and any idiot could see that, but they did get blown out by 55. All conferences and teams are not equal!!
Ooooh-a what if-I think Indiana could best Wofford, even Vanderbilt, maybe Tennessee. Hypotheticals. Let’s leave SEC teams out and let Alabama play one of them and see what happens rather than assume they’ll lose without letting them competed. We already know Alabama couldn’t beat Tennessee. Why do we need a rematch?
@BetterDays-e8h we could go off the eye test and say Idaho neatly handled oregon and oregon beat ohio state. We can also say ohio state is 5-14-1 vs sec 0-3 since 2020. We can also say sans petiti sending a memo to keep the game close, osu should win vs Indiana by 16 possibly 20. But yeah let's just let a undefeated high school team play, I mean they beat everyone on their schedule too
From what I can tell, SoS is ever evolving, but factors like QB health and injuries are also factored in there, so if a team has a QB for game one, and they play well, but they don't have a QB for game two and they play poorly, that is factored in there. It also uses talent composites as one of the starting points of data.
The biggest issue with the committee is that the criteria changes every year so that they ensure SEC teams are in the playoffs. So this year they already said the 2 loss teams can get into the playoff and then Georgia jumped up like 8 places.
“Ranked wins” as a stat should weigh both end of season ranking and ranking at the time. Context matters. Sometimes teams give up / collapse later in the season, that doesn’t mean we should invalidate tough games earlier in the season.
Know what needs to happen is the SEC in the Big Ten need to start scheduling 2 to 3 games a year between each other. And that would put the rest all this bullshit instead of playing Mercer and Charlotte and all these other weak ass teams play each other.
I think a big reason why they don’t release the information is because that analytics company spent a lot of time and money compiling this data. They aren’t just gonna give it up for free.
The fact that SEC is harder than other conferences is more objective than what they lead us to believe in this video. As an objective criterion, just look at the recruiting rankings out of high school.
You have to consider also about it being an evolving or evolving strength of schedule is when you played them was that team healthy was it early in the year? Was it late in the year? There’s a lot of components that have to factor in to strength, but you can’t just say at the end of the year if it wasn’t if their teams not ranked, but they when you beat them because they were healthy?
But that’s the point. GA SOS is 1 with 8 wins and Mississippi St SOS is 3 with 2 wins or whatever they have. So GAs team is clearly handled a tough schedule better and should be rewarded accordingly. Nobody is saying they should be top 5 with 2 losses but if your comparing them vs Texas WHO THEY BEAT and Texas who hasn’t beaten anyone in the top 25 all year - they should be much closer on the rankings.
It should be draw lottery system, within each conference the best teams have to play.. that would also make another rad day to look forward to in the spring... The schedule draw !!
Strength of schedule can be somewhat determined at the time. What if you beat a good team and their Heismen candidate qb gets injured and then they lose games?
We need to look at this as the playoffs in the pros. Division winners (regardless of the record). Wildcards…to include MORE TEAMS! Geez people. The polls should matter maybe 5%.🤠🤘🏼
I say this: No more ranking during the season until after the League Championships and the committee is the only one officially that can rank them. That way there is no bias, and expectation. Make the research transparent and available.
Win and you're in, is in reference to last 4 weeks for the teams at the top. You have to admit that stronger conferences are always going to be at an disadvantage after the realignment. If you don't, they are going to take their ball and create their own system. Not good for college football.
The rankings won't make sense until the regular season is over. They shouldn't even release them until then but they do so out of "transparency." The metrics are evolving week to week as teams play their schedules.
This is why the NCAA ranks many Severely Exaggerated Conference teams, so when they start tanking, the better teams play "ranked" teams. This committee is garbage, and they still have the SEC teams selected and then sprinkle others they deem "worthy." What needs to happen is that every conference champion plays in a bracket and it goes from there.
If you are a program that sells tickets and stuff, then your AD schedules a strong out of conference matchup and tries to get you in a strong conference, because it's revenue generation and brand management for the university. If you're Indiana, why bother?
Florida choked , not sure why Napier is still there. They had Anthony Richardson and he STILL couldn't do anything, ANTHONY RICHARSON, a starting NFL QB and he couldn't do a thing at Florida....it's amazing. SOS can be flushed because everything is relative
Let me shut down this IRRELEVANT argument. Strength of Schedule should matter over win/losses BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BEST TEAMS. Again, win/loss looks differently based upon who you play. Most of the SEC teams UGA played are STILL RANKED. They lost to 2, and they beat the other 2. I get the skepticism from them not showing what goes into SOC; however, if someone ENTIRE schedule is a western Virginia, why should they be rewarded AS BEST over a team that played more gruesome games and have 1 or 2 losses? Like SOC has to matter, and if it doesn't why would the SEC continue to keep playing each other for 5 or 6 games, instead of 4 or 5? Because the SEC beat the SEC. Like tf.
Are you that stupid!!!@ As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, who is dumb enough to say anyone wins the next 8 out of 10 years????? Be careful what you wish for, because the big ten is winning the whole damn thing this year, Oregon, Buckeyes or my Nittany Lions 🦁!!!! Don't say I didn't warn you neither!!!!
@@kevinchandler179 last Penn state title was 1986. last Big 10 Championship 2016. Suddenly they are a playoff team without a conference title? Only 2 big ten teams could compete against the top 7 SEC teams. All other big ten teams are loose against the top 7 SEC teams this year.
You guys probably expect Vegas to release their analytics too, huh? You guys are grown men throwing a temper tantrum over a private company not releasing their proprietary algorithm? Do you hear yourselves?
How do these people not understand that SOS matters when comparing records? We do it all the time when we put 2 loss power 4 teams ahead of 0 loss non power 4 schools so why is it so hard to understand that a 1-10 sos team with 2 losses is probably better than a 40-80 sos team with 1 loss? This is basic stuff. Or how about we go off of strength of resume. How are you telling me you’re a top team when you haven’t beat a top team? Or even a ranked team in a lot of these teams case.
Clearly the committee looks at LOSSES and ranks them most importantly. LOSING to a 500 team is a bigger deal than your strength of schedule. If the SEC had 9 conference games then they wouldn't be able to complain so much. But with 8, the top SEC teams are messed together and then these morons try to argue for the team that finishes 5th in conference....
David makes literally no sense. He's all over the place. He at first seems to think that the schedules aren't that different and that's it's based on SEC bias. Then he pivots to he doesn't want to see coaches schedule weak schedules. Then he says he agrees that strength of schedule is important. Then starts talking about MSU having the third toughest. We are comparing teams who are winning and their schedules. No one is talking about MSU.
So, if a team plays a team that can legitimately beat them every week. It doesn't matter compared to playing teams that don't legitimately have a chance to beat u. Smh.
I want y’all to know that ESPN has Mississippi State at an FPI of -0.1. As in, they’d be 0.1 point underdogs if they played the average FBS team. They’re also the team closest to 0 FPI, meaning, they pretty much *are* the average. They’re as average as a team can reasonably get. Also, they’re 2-8, and the worst team in the SEC by a substantial margin. Mississippi State, the laughingstock of the SEC, with a 2-8 record, would be favored over half the FBS on a neutral field. Think about that for a sec.
No not by substantial, Auburn, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt, LSU, Kentucky Arkansas all reliably not good this year-would love to see them play against teams from other conferences instead of Georgia St. oh wait some of them did-OSU, USC-not so good, did they beat anybody from another P4. Mercer Wofford UMass Georgia St in November-wow, really fighting for a Title to be the Best!!! What are the Top Three teams in the SEC after 12 games, any clue? No!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@BetterDays-e8h Yes by a substantial margin, lol. Mississippi state is 2-8, the next worst team, Kentucky, has double their wins and is about ~5.6 points better than them. If you rank the SEC by FPI, that’s the biggest gap between two adjacent teams. Mississippi State isn’t just at the bottom of the SEC, they’re an outlier. And yet, in the FBS as a whole, they’re dead average, which just speaks to how strong the SEC is as a conference. Make a point or log off, clown.
@@BetterDays-e8h Yes by a substantial margin, lol. Mississippi state is 2-8, the next worst team, Kentucky, has double their wins and is about ~5.6 points better than them. If you rank the SEC by FPI, that’s the biggest gap between two adjacent teams. Mississippi State isn’t just at the bottom of the SEC, they’re an outlier. And yet, in the FBS as a whole, they’re dead average, which just speaks to how strong the SEC is as a conference.
ONE-OH-SIX, omg, is that for real? Does Indiana REALLY have a 106? I realize CIgnetti is a first-year and he didn't have anything to do with INDIANA schedule. But the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR did and he failed....but it is what it is. Now to Indiana's defense, they played the Champion and Runner-Up of last year's Championship game. And Nebraska was supposed to be better under Matt Rhule this year. and any number of teams could have been a surprise , etc. But why is Indiana ranked 5th?
So you need a company to tell you who is good or bad, I use my eyes. If you are good team playing a smaller school or a perennial 500 or below team, I'm 90% sure who is winning that game, it's not rocket science.
I don’t think that’s true about FSU. They got booted because they were down their starter and the committee knew they would get blown out with their backup. They want the best games played by the best teams. No one wants to see another Georgia beating TCU 67 - 3.
Every time i watch videos about rankings & read through the comment's section i'm reminded of the expression: "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result." Amazing the talking heads & fan base refuse to believe there isn't another way. Selection committees make perfect sense for college football but makes ZERO sense for any other major sport. The hosts & their viewers have the answers, so long as everyone else agrees. Does ESPN's College Gameday hosts & viewers have to agree? Does JoelKlatt & his audience have to agree? CBS Sports hosts? The Conference Commissioners and so on and so on? Do you all truly not understand this is all a result of allowing "opinions" to run the sport? Opinion has governed the sport for more than 100 years. I think college football might be ready to step into the modern world when it comes to how the FBS is run.
Ranked wins should be considered ranked wins at the time the game was played. Injuries affect teams as the season goes on, and that affects their W/L record, and hence their ranking. If Team A defeats ranked Team B in week 1, and Team B loses key players to injuries by week 8, loses three straight and drops out of the top 25, that has no bearing on the week 1 game and the players Team A faced when they defeated them. In what sport and at what level would credit for ranked wins be administratively erased after the fact due to the effect of subsequent injuries on your opponent? That would be like punishing Michael Phelps’ after the 2004 Olympic 100-meter butterfly win because Ian Crocker twisted his ankle during the 4x100 meter relay the following day and Crocker’s world ranking slipped. Yeah, just as goofy.
Hell no. You don't get credit for beating Florida State in week 1 when they have 1 win right now. That's insane. So we should take preseason rankings seriously? lol
If there are no rankings prior to week 8 I'll agree with your statement. But like Nate said already FSU is dogshit this year, should Georgia Tech have a top 10 win for beating them week 0? No way in hell. Should any of the teams that beat this crappy USC team have a resume boost from that? Nope, Illinois was ranked for a bit and they're clearly terrible should teams get a boost from beating them? Mizzouri shouldnt even be in the top 25 right now yet theyre still there to help prop up SC and AtM and Bama. If Mississippi State or Arkansas beat them should that be a ranked win? Nah
I totally disagree with everything this guy said. It's obvious who has an easy schedule and who doesn't. SEC is the best conference by far. BiG10 has 4 decent teams then complete shit after them.
For instance look at Oregon they played the national championship team and Washington pretty sure they were up there in the end Ohio state so you would think before the season started that would be tough. How do all these multi loss teams in the S.E.C still have top ranked strength of schedules if losses don't mean why wouldn't Oregon have a high ranking
Texas has Ohio State the next two years out of conference, then Michigan, then Notre Dame the next two years after that. Yet people knock Texas for not scheduling big out of conference games. Nobody knew Michigan was going to be bad when Texas scheduled them. Michigan was the defending champ this year!
This guy is trying to bring back the BCS, which by the way everyone hated!!! Who is this guy anyway. When you play a #5 team at the time that should be a slight factor. I think the playoff committee is doing a great job
@BetterDays-e8h how bout Bama at Bama, Ole miss at Ole miss, UT @ UT, Tenn at home. Just to name a few... let's not forget opening against Clemson. Plz list your dozen teams that could only have 2 losses... I'll wait.
David you're so wrong and your being a hypocrite. You're doing the same thing your complaining about... Get off my lawn as you say. You cannot tell me that Indiana, Notre Dame, Penn and Miami are a better team than Georgia when comparing schedules. It's not an SEC whining issue, it's a CFP committee issue. The CFP committee chairman is Warde Manuel (Michigan AD) and asked to give a reason why the committee put those teams over Georgia given their SOS Warde couldn't give a straight answer.
The out of conference scheduling whine is pathetic. SEC OOC scheduling is a joke in general. Tennesse played NC State. Ole Miss? Wake Forest. Bama did ok with Wisconsin. Georgia did good with Clemson and Ga Tech. Texas A&M manned up and played Notre Dame. Texas played defending national champion Michigan.
The BIG has OSU and Oregon. Just stop with the Penn State and Indiana bs. They are going to get absolutely humiliated in the playoffs. At home, to boot.
David is working so hard to miss the point, and at this point it's just obtuse belligerence bc he has no substantive rebuttal. Of course SOS will change, that's not what anyone is talking about. We're talking about SOS & SOR *right now* and the rankings as they exist *right now* with the information we have *right now* and he's strawmanning. These early rankings matter because they set expectations for later ones. ND, with their #82 SOS-to-date and worst-loss-among-playoff-teams to NIU, has no business at #5 compared to some other candidates. Yet they are being set up for a home game. Why? Because Blain is right. $$$
David couldn't be any more wrong. His responses are definitively mislead and baised agaisnt a confernce who has been donianting college football for the better part of 20 years.
Texas is going to finish the regular season in 2 weeks likely with a better strength of schedule than Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State and Indiana in the Top 5 since Texas finishes with Texas A&M while these other teams finish with weaker teams. Yet you all dog Texas!
SoS has always userped record. an undefeated G5 (which is what IU is currently) was never treated the same or ranked the same as a 2-Loss SEC or BIG team. IU has only played the bottom of the BIG and has played no P4 teams OOC. They shouldn't be treated the same. Penn St should also be dropped because their only real game is a loss to tOSU.
the information on SoS may be a pay for source for colleges, etc. maybe should check them before opening you mouth? maybe you are afraid you are too cheap pay???
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Top 50 SOS should be considered. At 106, that's like playing in the MAC
It's like playing 6A High School football in Indiana
@dabneyoffermein595 I agree, they say we'll, they're undefeated. So is Army, why aren't the screaming off the rooftops to get them in?
@@dustinyoung7720 shows how weak the bottom of the big 10 is by ranking them 106 sos and most of their games are conference play..
Yeah but the committee has been saying eye test for so many years. And now all of sudden the eye test has gone out the window. Because eye test tells me that Penn State, ND and Indiana are all not better than Bama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee
Or georgia
I’m worried about UMass for Georgia-they’ve been through so much so many “good losses” and now UMass. The world just expect too much for this roster!
@@chasejackson7248 haha. Yeah I knew I forgot someone. It’s so hard to keep up with SEC now
@@BetterDays-e8h haha
@BetterDays-e8h when you have to joke to make a point you don't have one.
Folks have short memories (David). The committee used the SOS last year to keep Georgia out of the playoff. Yet here we are this year saying SOS isn’t important. SMH.
Georgia had no business being in that Title Tournament they were eliminated when they went up against Alabama in a play-in game-the nerve it takes to promote a loser team over a Conference Champion with a good or better on field performance. Georgia might have great rosters-appears they have struggles being a good team and winning games. Good luck with UMass-in November no less-the mark of a coward, not a Champion.
@@BetterDays-e8h What a delusion. Two NC's and the only team to beat them in 3 years was Alabama. After Bama beat them in 2021, UGA beat them in the NC. What did UGA do to hurt your feelings?
@@BetterDays-e8h LOL, the CFP chairman stated this week that they will not penalize a team that loses their conference championship. Yet again, another flip flop from what they did last year. Your hate comes off as petty. Youngstown State, Arkansas State or Mercer perhaps are more worthy opponents for you eh? SMH. Try smarter, not harder.
@@boroblueyeshe’s right tho. For one the two NC’s have nothing to do with last year. That’s not and shouldn’t be a factor in deciding if a team gets into the playoffs. 100% irrelevant. Georgia shouldn’t have lost the SEC championship. Last year was the first time there were multiple teams either undefeated or with 1 loss. Someone had to be left out. It’s perfectly fair to leave out the non-conference champion.
@@BetterDays-e8h ok, so if Indiana loses to Ohio State, they should be out!
David is such an SEC hater.
UMass Wofford Georgia St Georgia St
@@BetterDays-e8hNorthwestern, Purdue, Maryland, MI St.
And that's just the Big Ten teams, out of conference? Idaho, Kent State, Marshall, Akron, Western Michigan, FIU, Western Illinois. Every conference plays cupcakes, it's just the Big Ten has more cupcakes in their conference.
He straight up is. So evident. Not lots of logic in his talk.
He wasn't good enough to play in the SEC:)
I get so tired listening to this convo and 99% of the speakers never mention WHERE the game was played!
Georgia went on road versus Bama, Texas, and Ole Miss. all 3 games were night games also. These things matter a lot!!
Winning or losing matters more.
And Green (GA left tackle) was playing with an injured left arm. He was getting beat ever play. Playing a tougher schedule creates more possibilities for injury.
@@BetterDays-e8h Depends on who you're playing. In the SEC it's like a playoff game ever week. Like to see Penn St , Indiana, and Notre Dame play the likes of UGA,BAMA, Texas, Ole MIss, Tenn and heck even South Carolina could beat Indiana and Penn St at the moment. THere's never a week off, like in the Big 10.
Give him the Heisman, he wanted to participate. 😢
By definition the elite teams should be able to separate themselves, but they can’t in 2024 one of the reasons they play Mercer in November. Second losing is not better than winning. Third if the SEC is the elite, next level conference, schedule home and homes with the P4 schools that you dismiss. You don’t-check out the last time a SEC team visited Autzen, it’s fun to score points on the SEC!!! The SEC is running a racket, they want status but avoid competition. It’s all over the board. I’m not alone. CFB don’t want to hype you off the field, if you win on the field great, but the SEC has bad teams, basic teams, good teams, and two or three elite teams every season. Nobody wants to see anything but the elite teams in the National Title Tournament-so stop hyping the SEC good teams as elite anywhere else, doesn’t play. It’s talk. This has been an off season for the SEC the last thing we need is a 12 team National Title a tournament stuffed full of mediocre also ran SEC what are the elite three SEC teams this year? That’s harder than you think and no bearing Arkansas isn’t impressive this year, as Big 12 basement dweller OSU. SEC 2024, no Big Deal.
Bring back the BCS. Strength of schedule should be : win vs a team ranked at the time is 10 points, +5 if the win was on the road, and finally if that team you beat is ranked at the end of the year +10 more points. Ranked victories Must matter.
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It was a way better calculator of teams
And no rankings till week 5 or 6. Then back fill those scores once the rankings start.
The reason the info is not public is because it’s for sale. It’s their product. They can’t give it away.
For georgia to be still top 10 with the number 1 strength of schedule, thats pretty good lol even though we all know they are top 5 team
They barely beat Kentucky. Seriously
@@pnwadventurer802 everyone barely beat someone. Yeah they barely beat Kentucky, but they also beat Texas by 15 on the road lol
@@pnwadventurer802 And Ole Miss LOST to Kentucky. why are they ahead of GA with your logic?
Was down 28-0 to Bama and lost by 18 to Ole Miss. What are we doing????
@knothyselfknotruth Was down by 28, lost by 7. Don't twist the narrative of that game.
David is being obtuse bringing up Mississippi states strength of schedule and comparing them to Georgia. Nobody is saying only SOS matters, you have to actually win as well. The point of the committee is to give us the best teams, and nobody on earth thinks Indiana, Penn State, or Miami would beat Georgia, Tennessee, or Ole Miss.
Yea but if Georgia played Indiana or Penn States schedule they would be undefeated, hell if they played Texas schedule they would be undefeated! These rankings are trash
Angie I'm fascinated as to how your mind works! So U believe Georgia would be undefeated if they played vs Ohio State but they were down 28-0 vs Alabama and lost by 18 to Ole Miss who lost to both LSU and a Horrendous Kentucky AT HOME. If u could be so kind please make that make sense? Sincerely
Whoa, back off on Texas, one of the Top 3 teams in the country if not the best team in the country. Texas also has THE two best college quarterbacks in all of football and let me know who will stop them? Like there isn't a team out there that can stop the Longhorns. I'm looking down the list of the TOP 12 and not one can stop them. Georgia deserves to be ranked around 10th.
David is just so bitter that SEC teams manhandle Big 10 teams almost every time they play each other. Bama-Wisc, Texas-Mich, GA-Mich,
Two SEC teams got railroaded in the Semis last year making a All BIG10 National Championship
The SEC has “great losses”. The SEC wants to talk about its losses, especially in 2024 when it has so many!!! Except to Wofford-Wofford is toast.
So the top SEC teams manhandle mid B10 teams? You are championing defeats over a 11th in the B10 5-5 Wisconsin (Iowa beat them at the same margin Bama did) and 10th in the B10 5-5 Michigan (Oregon beat them by a wider margin than Texas) team? USC is 12th in the B10 and 5-5 and beat LSU this year. Same LSU that beat Ole Miss this year. Michigan beat Alabama last year in the playoffs, Washington beat Texas last year in the playoffs. SEC had a losing record against power 4 conferences last year. Georgia wrecking Clemson was immpressive. Outside of that? A really poor Oklahoma St., team, which has not won a conference game in the Big 12, beats Arkansas. Cal, which gave Florida St. it's only win this year, beat Auburn. When it's not the SEC's top teams against other conferences' bottom feeders, and it's more evenly matched relative to their places in their respective confrences, the SEC doesn't come out looking great.
If eye test and sos are no longer going to matter then there is absolutely no reason to have a committee
To explain this, wins and loses are important, but you have to see that a SOS of 1 vs SOS 106, shows that one team played great teams and lost, and the other played a cupcake schedule and won all the games. Look, let Vegas take the bias out, and see that Georgia would be a 17 point favorite over Indiana, but Ind is 4 and Georgia is 9. FSU last year was a joke, undefeated and any idiot could see that, but they did get blown out by 55. All conferences and teams are not equal!!
The reality is, what would Indiana's record be with Bama's schedule? Or Tennessee's? Georgia's? What would those 3 be with Indiana's?
Ooooh-a what if-I think Indiana could best Wofford, even Vanderbilt, maybe Tennessee. Hypotheticals. Let’s leave SEC teams out and let Alabama play one of them and see what happens rather than assume they’ll lose without letting them competed. We already know Alabama couldn’t beat Tennessee. Why do we need a rematch?
@BetterDays-e8h we could go off the eye test and say Idaho neatly handled oregon and oregon beat ohio state. We can also say ohio state is 5-14-1 vs sec 0-3 since 2020. We can also say sans petiti sending a memo to keep the game close, osu should win vs Indiana by 16 possibly 20. But yeah let's just let a undefeated high school team play, I mean they beat everyone on their schedule too
@BetterDays-e8h P.S. why isn't army ranked in the top 4 or 5? They are 9-0 too. Please explain
@BetterDays-e8h preseason rankings are hypothetical as well. But it's the only way a big 10 school breaks the top 5. Everyone knows it
From what I can tell, SoS is ever evolving, but factors like QB health and injuries are also factored in there, so if a team has a QB for game one, and they play well, but they don't have a QB for game two and they play poorly, that is factored in there. It also uses talent composites as one of the starting points of data.
The biggest issue with the committee is that the criteria changes every year so that they ensure SEC teams are in the playoffs. So this year they already said the 2 loss teams can get into the playoff and then Georgia jumped up like 8 places.
“Ranked wins” as a stat should weigh both end of season ranking and ranking at the time. Context matters. Sometimes teams give up / collapse later in the season, that doesn’t mean we should invalidate tough games earlier in the season.
Know what needs to happen is the SEC in the Big Ten need to start scheduling 2 to 3 games a year between each other. And that would put the rest all this bullshit instead of playing Mercer and Charlotte and all these other weak ass teams play each other.
I think a big reason why they don’t release the information is because that analytics company spent a lot of time and money compiling this data. They aren’t just gonna give it up for free.
they need a BCS type formula where SOS, wins, "good losses" can get properly rated ...where SOS is not solely based on opponents W-L record
“If I get abducted in the sky, I’m probably gonna believe in aliens” 😂 man that made me laugh
It is obviously a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY!
It actually might be haha. If that info got out and the public doesn’t like it, it might cause a civil war!
The fact that SEC is harder than other conferences is more objective than what they lead us to believe in this video. As an objective criterion, just look at the recruiting rankings out of high school.
You have to consider also about it being an evolving or evolving strength of schedule is when you played them was that team healthy was it early in the year? Was it late in the year? There’s a lot of components that have to factor in to strength, but you can’t just say at the end of the year if it wasn’t if their teams not ranked, but they when you beat them because they were healthy?
The Committee only thinks about one thing...food....they fill out the bracket, then they go eat
But that’s the point. GA SOS is 1 with 8 wins and Mississippi St SOS is 3 with 2 wins or whatever they have. So GAs team is clearly handled a tough schedule better and should be rewarded accordingly. Nobody is saying they should be top 5 with 2 losses but if your comparing them vs Texas WHO THEY BEAT and Texas who hasn’t beaten anyone in the top 25 all year - they should be much closer on the rankings.
It should be draw lottery system, within each conference the best teams have to play.. that would also make another rad day to look forward to in the spring... The schedule draw !!
Strength of schedule can be somewhat determined at the time. What if you beat a good team and their Heismen candidate qb gets injured and then they lose games?
We need to look at this as the playoffs in the pros. Division winners (regardless of the record). Wildcards…to include MORE TEAMS! Geez people. The polls should matter maybe 5%.🤠🤘🏼
I say this: No more ranking during the season until after the League Championships and the committee is the only one officially that can rank them. That way there is no bias, and expectation. Make the research transparent and available.
Win and you're in, is in reference to last 4 weeks for the teams at the top. You have to admit that stronger conferences are always going to be at an disadvantage after the realignment. If you don't, they are going to take their ball and create their own system. Not good for college football.
Holy this is brain rot
The rankings won't make sense until the regular season is over. They shouldn't even release them until then but they do so out of "transparency." The metrics are evolving week to week as teams play their schedules.
Transparency? Or ratings Hype?
This is why the NCAA ranks many Severely Exaggerated Conference teams, so when they start tanking, the better teams play "ranked" teams. This committee is garbage, and they still have the SEC teams selected and then sprinkle others they deem "worthy." What needs to happen is that every conference champion plays in a bracket and it goes from there.
SEC never pivots from SOS because it's always high.
If my team plays and loses to the number 1, 2, 3 teams and beats everyone else, are they #4?
If you are a program that sells tickets and stuff, then your AD schedules a strong out of conference matchup and tries to get you in a strong conference, because it's revenue generation and brand management for the university. If you're Indiana, why bother?
Bring back the BCS machine to rank the teams.
Big ten has been scheduling the weakest schedules for years. Shockers
Strength of schedule changes through the year. Florida started the season as 1
Florida choked , not sure why Napier is still there. They had Anthony Richardson and he STILL couldn't do anything, ANTHONY RICHARSON, a starting NFL QB and he couldn't do a thing at Florida....it's amazing. SOS can be flushed because everything is relative
Let me shut down this IRRELEVANT argument. Strength of Schedule should matter over win/losses BECAUSE THEY WANT THE BEST TEAMS. Again, win/loss looks differently based upon who you play. Most of the SEC teams UGA played are STILL RANKED. They lost to 2, and they beat the other 2. I get the skepticism from them not showing what goes into SOC; however, if someone ENTIRE schedule is a western Virginia, why should they be rewarded AS BEST over a team that played more gruesome games and have 1 or 2 losses? Like SOC has to matter, and if it doesn't why would the SEC continue to keep playing each other for 5 or 6 games, instead of 4 or 5? Because the SEC beat the SEC. Like tf.
Oregon played 3 teams that are currently ranked Ohio State, Boise State, Illinois so how is there strength of schedule still ranked at 43
SEC wins 8 out of the next 10 national championships
Before they even play-that’s how good it is! Wofford. Wofford. Wofford. They play so many SEC teams they might as well join the Conference
Are you that stupid!!!@ As a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, who is dumb enough to say anyone wins the next 8 out of 10 years????? Be careful what you wish for, because the big ten is winning the whole damn thing this year, Oregon, Buckeyes or my Nittany Lions 🦁!!!! Don't say I didn't warn you neither!!!!
@@kevinchandler179 That won't age well.
Starting with 2024z
@@kevinchandler179 last Penn state title was 1986. last Big 10 Championship 2016. Suddenly they are a playoff team without a conference title? Only 2 big ten teams could compete against the top 7 SEC teams. All other big ten teams are loose against the top 7 SEC teams this year.
You rely on ESPN ? What a joke. They go with whatever way the wind blows
who has IU played? no p4 ooc and the bottom 6 of the BIG.
The SOS data is not like the Area 51 classified info - Jake Crain. That’s. Hilarious.
Why don't they break down football in a similar way to how they do college basketball's Kenpom?
You guys probably expect Vegas to release their analytics too, huh? You guys are grown men throwing a temper tantrum over a private company not releasing their proprietary algorithm? Do you hear yourselves?
How do these people not understand that SOS matters when comparing records? We do it all the time when we put 2 loss power 4 teams ahead of 0 loss non power 4 schools so why is it so hard to understand that a 1-10 sos team with 2 losses is probably better than a 40-80 sos team with 1 loss? This is basic stuff. Or how about we go off of strength of resume. How are you telling me you’re a top team when you haven’t beat a top team? Or even a ranked team in a lot of these teams case.
Clearly the committee looks at LOSSES and ranks them most importantly. LOSING to a 500 team is a bigger deal than your strength of schedule. If the SEC had 9 conference games then they wouldn't be able to complain so much. But with 8, the top SEC teams are messed together and then these morons try to argue for the team that finishes 5th in conference....
Indiana has the 106th SOS because they play teams 9 minimum sec teams would be undefeated as well, possibly 10 or 11. We all know it.
Make your own. And show how difficult and different it would be
David makes literally no sense. He's all over the place. He at first seems to think that the schedules aren't that different and that's it's based on SEC bias. Then he pivots to he doesn't want to see coaches schedule weak schedules. Then he says he agrees that strength of schedule is important. Then starts talking about MSU having the third toughest. We are comparing teams who are winning and their schedules. No one is talking about MSU.
So, if a team plays a team that can legitimately beat them every week. It doesn't matter compared to playing teams that don't legitimately have a chance to beat u. Smh.
I want y’all to know that ESPN has Mississippi State at an FPI of -0.1. As in, they’d be 0.1 point underdogs if they played the average FBS team.
They’re also the team closest to 0 FPI, meaning, they pretty much *are* the average. They’re as average as a team can reasonably get.
Also, they’re 2-8, and the worst team in the SEC by a substantial margin.
Mississippi State, the laughingstock of the SEC, with a 2-8 record, would be favored over half the FBS on a neutral field. Think about that for a sec.
Could they beat Wofford in November?
No not by substantial, Auburn, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt, LSU, Kentucky Arkansas all reliably not good this year-would love to see them play against teams from other conferences instead of Georgia St. oh wait some of them did-OSU, USC-not so good, did they beat anybody from another P4. Mercer Wofford UMass Georgia St in November-wow, really fighting for a Title to be the Best!!! What are the Top Three teams in the SEC after 12 games, any clue? No!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@BetterDays-e8h Yes by a substantial margin, lol. Mississippi state is 2-8, the next worst team, Kentucky, has double their wins and is about ~5.6 points better than them. If you rank the SEC by FPI, that’s the biggest gap between two adjacent teams. Mississippi State isn’t just at the bottom of the SEC, they’re an outlier. And yet, in the FBS as a whole, they’re dead average, which just speaks to how strong the SEC is as a conference. Make a point or log off, clown.
@@BetterDays-e8h Yes by a substantial margin, lol. Mississippi state is 2-8, the next worst team, Kentucky, has double their wins and is about ~5.6 points better than them. If you rank the SEC by FPI, that’s the biggest gap between two adjacent teams. Mississippi State isn’t just at the bottom of the SEC, they’re an outlier. And yet, in the FBS as a whole, they’re dead average, which just speaks to how strong the SEC is as a conference.
@@BetterDays-e8h Here’s you something else to chew on: 15/16 teams in the SEC are in the top half of FPI, and 13/16 are in the top quarter.
Its not accessible because it would show total domination
Strength of schedule never mattered for UGA the last decade. Why should it now?
ONE-OH-SIX, omg, is that for real? Does Indiana REALLY have a 106? I realize CIgnetti is a first-year and he didn't have anything to do with INDIANA schedule. But the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR did and he failed....but it is what it is. Now to Indiana's defense, they played the Champion and Runner-Up of last year's Championship game. And Nebraska was supposed to be better under Matt Rhule this year. and any number of teams could have been a surprise , etc. But why is Indiana ranked 5th?
Tenn is at 17 SOS n your telling me they shouldnt be in before some of the really bad schedules ! What good is a playoff?
Strength of schedule is now a dishonest ploy to get more SEC teams in? What a biased commentary.
Combine the Strength of Record and the winning percentage.
So you need a company to tell you who is good or bad, I use my eyes. If you are good team playing a smaller school or a perennial 500 or below team, I'm 90% sure who is winning that game, it's not rocket science.
Sounds like you should gamble!
It tells you that UGA might be the best team in the country but isn’t going to be recognized for it
I don’t think that’s true about FSU. They got booted because they were down their starter and the committee knew they would get blown out with their backup. They want the best games played by the best teams. No one wants to see another Georgia beating TCU 67 - 3.
SOS is only determined by humans who think certain teams are stonger than they might be. i think SOS is determined by a bunch of SEC homers
Ohio State, please do us all a favor this weekend
SEC loss to ACC unranked team knocks an SEC team down by 20 spots even if the ACC team goes on to win every game in the ACC team season.
There is no way Boise States strength of schedule is on par with CU and 30 positions better than Indiana.
Big 10 couldn't stand 1 season in the SEC😂
Every time i watch videos about rankings & read through the comment's section i'm reminded of the expression:
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result."
Amazing the talking heads & fan base refuse to believe there isn't another way.
Selection committees make perfect sense for college football but makes ZERO sense for any other major sport.
The hosts & their viewers have the answers, so long as everyone else agrees.
Does ESPN's College Gameday hosts & viewers have to agree? Does JoelKlatt & his audience have to agree? CBS Sports hosts? The Conference Commissioners and so on and so on?
Do you all truly not understand this is all a result of allowing "opinions" to run the sport?
Opinion has governed the sport for more than 100 years. I think college football might be ready to step into the modern world when it comes to how the FBS is run.
Ranked wins should be considered ranked wins at the time the game was played. Injuries affect teams as the season goes on, and that affects their W/L record, and hence their ranking. If Team A defeats ranked Team B in week 1, and Team B loses key players to injuries by week 8, loses three straight and drops out of the top 25, that has no bearing on the week 1 game and the players Team A faced when they defeated them. In what sport and at what level would credit for ranked wins be administratively erased after the fact due to the effect of subsequent injuries on your opponent? That would be like punishing Michael Phelps’ after the 2004 Olympic 100-meter butterfly win because Ian Crocker twisted his ankle during the 4x100 meter relay the following day and Crocker’s world ranking slipped. Yeah, just as goofy.
Exactly!!
Hell no. You don't get credit for beating Florida State in week 1 when they have 1 win right now. That's insane. So we should take preseason rankings seriously? lol
If there are no rankings prior to week 8 I'll agree with your statement. But like Nate said already FSU is dogshit this year, should Georgia Tech have a top 10 win for beating them week 0? No way in hell. Should any of the teams that beat this crappy USC team have a resume boost from that? Nope, Illinois was ranked for a bit and they're clearly terrible should teams get a boost from beating them? Mizzouri shouldnt even be in the top 25 right now yet theyre still there to help prop up SC and AtM and Bama. If Mississippi State or Arkansas beat them should that be a ranked win? Nah
I totally disagree with everything this guy said. It's obvious who has an easy schedule and who doesn't. SEC is the best conference by far. BiG10 has 4 decent teams then complete shit after them.
For instance look at Oregon they played the national championship team and Washington pretty sure they were up there in the end Ohio state so you would think before the season started that would be tough. How do all these multi loss teams in the S.E.C still have top ranked strength of schedules if losses don't mean why wouldn't Oregon have a high ranking
The only non SEC team I think could actually win the championship this year is Oregon.
Texas has Ohio State the next two years out of conference, then Michigan, then Notre Dame the next two years after that.
Yet people knock Texas for not scheduling big out of conference games. Nobody knew Michigan was going to be bad when Texas scheduled them. Michigan was the defending champ this year!
This guy is trying to bring back the BCS, which by the way everyone hated!!! Who is this guy anyway. When you play a #5 team at the time that should be a slight factor. I think the playoff committee is doing a great job
The hypocrisy by the big ten is hilarious. “SEC needs to play 9 conference games”… so… SOS matters Indiana ???
Indiana played and beat both teams that played for the natty last year. You shouldn't be punished for sudden mediocrity by your opponents.
Neither one of those teams even has the same coaching staff
Why not use strength of record, not strength of schedule?
SOS has to matter... How many of these teams would have just 2 losses playing UGA's schedule this year?
Hypothetically. Dozens upon dozens. That’s my hypothetical. UMass is tough!!!
@BetterDays-e8h how bout Bama at Bama, Ole miss at Ole miss, UT @ UT, Tenn at home. Just to name a few... let's not forget opening against Clemson. Plz list your dozen teams that could only have 2 losses... I'll wait.
The only absolute is - Oregon will get screwed.
David sounds like AOC on her soapbox at a Congressional hearing. Jake should learn about intellectual property and how that works.
Gamecocks # 8 strength of schedule.
Crazy only two teams have top 10 SOS and they are SEC teams BIG 10 could never
Go Dawgs
How can Alabama have a strength of schedule of 16 when they played Mercer in the middle of November.
Try comparing their full schedule to Oregon's. OU has only played two ranked teams at game time.
Lsu, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, etc.
Edit; y’all beat Wisconsin by 3, Alabama molested them.
Tv ratings will lose lots of viewers if they do no get the SEC teams in At least half of them
These guys are really wearing their tin foil hats here. Good lord.
Top 24 all play a out of conference game between the end of the season and playoffs win and your in lose your out easy
David you're so wrong and your being a hypocrite. You're doing the same thing your complaining about... Get off my lawn as you say. You cannot tell me that Indiana, Notre Dame, Penn and Miami are a better team than Georgia when comparing schedules. It's not an SEC whining issue, it's a CFP committee issue. The CFP committee chairman is Warde Manuel (Michigan AD) and asked to give a reason why the committee put those teams over Georgia given their SOS Warde couldn't give a straight answer.
Wasted too much of my time on this. If conference strength doesn’t matter then everyone will play a bad schedule.
The out of conference scheduling whine is pathetic. SEC OOC scheduling is a joke in general. Tennesse played NC State. Ole Miss? Wake Forest. Bama did ok with Wisconsin. Georgia did good with Clemson and Ga Tech. Texas A&M manned up and played Notre Dame. Texas played defending national champion Michigan.
S. Carolina plays Clemson every year.
@jerseyjoe82364 I was limiting it to the teams in contention this year. Florida plays Florida State every year and played Miami this year.
Isn’t army undefeated?
The BIG has OSU and Oregon. Just stop with the Penn State and Indiana bs. They are going to get absolutely humiliated in the playoffs. At home, to boot.
David is working so hard to miss the point, and at this point it's just obtuse belligerence bc he has no substantive rebuttal. Of course SOS will change, that's not what anyone is talking about. We're talking about SOS & SOR *right now* and the rankings as they exist *right now* with the information we have *right now* and he's strawmanning. These early rankings matter because they set expectations for later ones. ND, with their #82 SOS-to-date and worst-loss-among-playoff-teams to NIU, has no business at #5 compared to some other candidates. Yet they are being set up for a home game. Why? Because Blain is right. $$$
David couldn't be any more wrong. His responses are definitively mislead and baised agaisnt a confernce who has been donianting college football for the better part of 20 years.
Committee shouldn't have any active ADs on it. Of course the Michigan lover thinks SOS doesn't matter when his Mr Potato AD is running the Committee.
Texas is going to finish the regular season in 2 weeks likely with a better strength of schedule than Oregon, Ohio State, Penn State and Indiana in the Top 5 since Texas finishes with Texas A&M while these other teams finish with weaker teams.
Yet you all dog Texas!
Except this is absolutely not true.
Shhhhhh. Sit in the back corner baby. Grown folks are talking. 😆 🤣 😂
SOS is easily done you nerds...what about adding up the Win Loss!!!! Record of your opponents!!! There's your data 😆🤣😂
SoS has always userped record. an undefeated G5 (which is what IU is currently) was never treated the same or ranked the same as a 2-Loss SEC or BIG team. IU has only played the bottom of the BIG and has played no P4 teams OOC. They shouldn't be treated the same. Penn St should also be dropped because their only real game is a loss to tOSU.
the information on SoS may be a pay for source for colleges, etc. maybe should check them before opening you mouth? maybe you are afraid you are too cheap pay???