PROCUNIER TAPPING HEAD What Makes It Work #31 tubalcain

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  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

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  • @jimc4731
    @jimc4731 4 года назад +11

    An excellent video, Mr. Pete! That device tapped hundreds of thousands of holes in my production shop over 50 years, trouble free. No rebuilds necessary!!
    JIM

  • @MrDdaland
    @MrDdaland 4 года назад +20

    You come up with some of the most interesting tools that I never dreamed existed, but upon seeing them I can see their utility

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад +2

      👌👌

    • @Motor-City-Mike
      @Motor-City-Mike 4 года назад +2

      You'd be amazed at some of the tooling used in the past in the machining industry.
      One thing not too often realized - every type of machining now done on CNC machinery was done long ago on strictly mechanical machinery - by true craftsman.

  • @ThisOldTony
    @ThisOldTony 4 года назад +25

    I enjoyed that Mr. P! Keep 'em coming.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад +3

      Thanks

    • @johngubler1260
      @johngubler1260 4 года назад +1

      don't you mean LP... great christmas story, Thanks!

  • @MrPatdeeee
    @MrPatdeeee 4 года назад +1

    Been looking for decades at advertisements of this "tapper" thangy. Didn't think much of it UNTIL our "Mr Pete" showed us how it works and how great it is. Now many will "wonts one". You are a "gem of gems" Lyle. May He continue to "gift" you with "thangs" that make this DIY video amongst the bestest of all of 'em! Oh indeed yeah! Whoeee!

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад +1

      Thank you very much, I needed that

  • @michaelcerkez3895
    @michaelcerkez3895 4 года назад +5

    First thing in the morning to wake up to Mr Pete and a cup of coffee. Great way to start the weekend! Thanks Lyle the last couple of series have been great.

  • @dannyl2598
    @dannyl2598 4 года назад +8

    Thank you for unraveling that mystery. I think you did an excellent job explaining that. In the beginning when you where telling how it operates I was imagining a stack of disks like a clutch, then I was amazed that it was even simpler. Kind of like opening an Easter egg.
    Thanks again.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад +1

      👍👍

    • @Motor-City-Mike
      @Motor-City-Mike 4 года назад +1

      Some other brands of tapping heads did in fact use clutch disks!
      Some are/were even adjustable for clutch tension so torque to the tap could be limited - Tapmatic still makes just such a tapping head.
      There was plenty of "magic" in the history of machining/toolmaking!

    • @dannyl2598
      @dannyl2598 4 года назад

      @@Motor-City-Mike that so cool. Thank you for sharing that information. Happy New year.

    • @Motor-City-Mike
      @Motor-City-Mike 4 года назад

      @@dannyl2598 absolutely!
      A happy and prosperous new year to you!

  • @brucekiszely2995
    @brucekiszely2995 4 года назад +8

    Neat tool, I will add this to the growing list of garage sale goodies to stalk!!, Thanks Mr Pete, 👍

  • @brianday6433
    @brianday6433 4 года назад

    I've been a machinist most of my adult life. And I have always wondered how those tapping heads work. Never had the chance to take one apart. I knew it worked on clutches. Never thought about a cone shape. I envisioned a double sided flat clutch. Never thought about Cork as the friction clutch either. I always wanted to build my own version, maybe smaller diameter. The great thing about the Procunier is the ability to stop or reduce the pressure while tapping hard metals. Saving broken taps in the work, Ugh. We have a Tapomatic at work and I never use it.
    Thanks Mr. Pete!

  • @andyZ3500s
    @andyZ3500s 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for showing this to us. Looking forward to the servicing video. Now I won't be so nervous about picking up a used one. If anyone spots one make sure it has all the collets most don't. That is for the ones that were not paying attention in class!

  • @neverendingstudent
    @neverendingstudent Год назад

    Thank you good sir. I bought one of these at auction with the idea to resell it and didn't know how they worked. Now, thanks to you, I do and was able to test it. Much appreciated.

  • @zacharyrowe8395
    @zacharyrowe8395 4 года назад

    I have used these for some 20 plus years and always wondered how the worked inside. We always had a tool crib guy that would service them so i never got to see inside. Thanks for the video made my day

  • @blobscott
    @blobscott 4 года назад +1

    Great video! To add to the explanation on how the tap direction gets reversed: Reversing to counterclockwise during tap removal is due to the ring gear (connected to drill chuck) driving the sun gear (connected to tap via cork clutch) through the planet gears (fixed to tapping head housing). In this configuration, the sun gear rotates the opposite direction of the ring gear. Pretty neat! The planetary gear set provides the increased reverse ratio, but also is responsible for reversing the direction of the tap.

  • @chakathewolf
    @chakathewolf 4 года назад +4

    We had those in the shop at Texas A&M University. I fell in love with them! I wanted one for my own shop, but was driven back by the sticker shock.

    • @PaulSteMarie
      @PaulSteMarie 4 года назад +1

      Stalk eBay for them. If you can use a Morse taper, it will be easy, but the ones with 1/2" shank can be obtained at a moderate price if you wait long enough.

  • @electricman5010
    @electricman5010 4 года назад

    Thank you Mrpete ! ive used the Procunier as well as the tapmatic tapping heads over the years, both with excellent results. The tapmatics can be found quit often on radial head drill presses.

  • @Watchyn_Yarwood
    @Watchyn_Yarwood 4 года назад

    You did an excellent job of explaining how it works! No need for a cut-away. Keep up the interesting and entertaining videos!

  • @vipertech9108
    @vipertech9108 4 года назад

    Awesome tool design! The designer was a genius. Thanks for showing how it works Mr.Pete!

  • @mannys9130
    @mannys9130 4 года назад +8

    Hey LP. 😸 Glad to see you got a ride. That's a very interesting tool I had never seen before! Hope you had a Merry Christmas and I hope you have a happy New Year.

  • @dannywilsher4165
    @dannywilsher4165 4 года назад +2

    You're right Mr. Pete, very ingenious!! Good job on your explanation.

  • @cojones8518
    @cojones8518 4 года назад +1

    Made perfect sense to me. Good explanation of how it worked, so don't worry about a cut-a-way.

  • @craigsudman4556
    @craigsudman4556 4 года назад

    That is a fine machine Lyle, I love taking apart old machines like that...they don't make 'em like that anymore. Great video, thumbs up.

  • @robertoruiz7069
    @robertoruiz7069 4 года назад

    We had two of those at my work place that i used and serviced for 25 years.They where on a 5 position quadrille head.we put a drill ,a 82 degree chamfer,a counter bore,and the taping head.Once you use one to do a bunch of holes you wonder how you ever got by without it.They are fantastic and worth way more than you pay for them. That was the best explanation I've ever seen ,with a tool I'm very familiar with. thanks

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад

      Thank you, I’m glad you liked it

  • @russelallen5342
    @russelallen5342 4 года назад +1

    Very interesting. Never took one apart, but used one a LOT, when I started at the machine shop!

  • @jodydoakes8754
    @jodydoakes8754 4 года назад +2

    Very interesting. Keep 'em coming. Many of the old JD two cylinder tractors had a cone clutch similar to that.

  • @SalvageWorkshop
    @SalvageWorkshop 4 года назад

    I loved the different intro for this video! I just picked up a tapping head that looks very similar, but I think it is an ETTCO, not totally sure, but I cant wait to give it a shot!

  • @brucewilliams6292
    @brucewilliams6292 4 года назад +4

    What an elegant design. Thank you for the videos! Happy New Year.

  • @normpeplow3813
    @normpeplow3813 3 года назад

    In early 60's i worked for Supreme Products and we made a tapper similar to this for drill presses; also a push-pull tapper for use on hand drills. Both used planetary gears. I was line supervisor for assembly for a while. Very interesting to see this again.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  3 года назад

      Thank you, I remember those supreme tapping heads

  • @BentTreeFarmPa
    @BentTreeFarmPa 4 года назад

    Wow that is interesting. When it is broken down, it is actually not that complicated, but was probably very ground breaking in it's day!

  • @ErnieNoa3
    @ErnieNoa3 4 года назад

    I always wondered how it worked. Thanks for taking it apart and showing us what is in there. I was still in Highschool when I worked in a summer job in a machine shop and had to use one. All was fine until one of the kids broke a tap and we were all fired. I only worked there for a day. My only machine shop experience.

  • @MrShobar
    @MrShobar 4 года назад

    Well that brought back some memories. Thanks. I was eighteen when I was first introduced to this great labor and time-saving device.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад

      I never saw one until I was 21. And then I was amazed by them

  • @tano1747
    @tano1747 4 года назад +1

    Perhaps a housing incorporating rigid transparent plastic tubing would be less messy than a cut away and would allow you to still use it as a tool?

  • @aaronleiter9009
    @aaronleiter9009 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you for this video. I always wondered what they looked like internally and how they operated.

  • @28gwdavies
    @28gwdavies 4 года назад

    A very interesting video yet again Mr Pete, it's funny, I never thought that at 65 years old I would still be listening to and learning from a shop teacher. Funny old world. As a teenager I had a choice of careers. I was offered an apprenticeship at British Aerospace as a machinist/toolmaker or an apprenticeship as a TV engineer. I chose the latter and yet in retirement have gone back to machinist as a hobby, I may be your oldest student!

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад +1

      Thank you, I’m glad you like my channel. I think there are other is much older than you that are watching. LOL

  • @Blue.4t2
    @Blue.4t2 4 года назад

    Very clear explanation. Surprisingly simple mechanism. I love gizmos!

  • @rossbryan6102
    @rossbryan6102 4 года назад

    I HAVE HAD TO USE A PROCUNIER SEVERAL TIMES! LIKED THEM VERY MUCH!!

  • @AmateurRedneckWorkshop
    @AmateurRedneckWorkshop 4 года назад

    Great video. That Procunier has a lot less parts than my Tapmatic which has at least twice as many parts. Mine has a lot of clutches and clutch springs and gears. It was broken when I got it and I took it apart to replace the broken part and it was hard to get back together.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад

      Never had a tapmatic apart

  • @pierresgarage2687
    @pierresgarage2687 4 года назад

    Nice to see what's inside and how it works, very simple in fact...
    That saves me from disassembling mines unless they stop working... 🙂👍

  • @MrUbiquitousTech
    @MrUbiquitousTech 4 года назад

    Very neat engineering, sure had some smart people developing neat inventions back when.
    Thanks for sharing!

  • @railfan439
    @railfan439 4 года назад

    Lyle, the old guys with the circular saw mills used a similar idea for moving the shuttle back and forth. They had a spinning disk with a wheel that would move to one side or the other of the disk, thereby reversing the shuttle movement. See you at the Bar-Z. Jon

  • @prenticeemler7709
    @prenticeemler7709 4 года назад

    Thanks for sharing, I bought a used one on eBay, and after using it I wondered how it works , now I know ,thanks so much for your videos ,they are very useful.

  • @randyvilleneuve4907
    @randyvilleneuve4907 Год назад

    Always wanted a reversing tapping head (its hard to tun a drill press by hand) so i bought a Procunier 2E off e-bay for $140. Came with a 3/8" collets but those collets are expensive. I got 6 off e-bay for another $75 so not too bad. Have not used it yet but looks to be in good shape and its made in the USA. Thanks for the video.

  • @stewartalbert3523
    @stewartalbert3523 4 года назад

    There are pneumatic gun tappers out there , depress trigger half way for forward , depress trigger full for reverse . A little tricky to use and probably expensive .

  • @justinbudreau4814
    @justinbudreau4814 4 года назад +1

    I have been looking for the name of this device for three weeks. Thanks Pete! I saw it on a tapping/drill press and haven't been able to find it since.

  • @JamesDedmon
    @JamesDedmon 4 года назад

    Interesting how it works, back when I had hair, in the first shop I worked in we had a tapping head in a dedicated drill press. In fact we used it on gears that had set screw holes in them. So being an apprentice I did a lot of tapping. Thanks for the close up of one of my modified oil cups, you did that to see if I was watching 😆

  • @kennygee6627
    @kennygee6627 4 года назад

    Thanks! I’ve use these many times but have never been inside one. Since I was a little kid I’ve enjoyed “how it’s made“ or “how it works” type videos. There was a show in the late 60s, early 70s where they pick some random kid to reach into his pocket and see what he’s carrying. Then, they would go through each item and go to the factory and show how they were made. Marbles, jackknife, chapstick, even a piece of paper. Interesting 👍🏽

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 4 года назад +1

    Planetary gear sets are awesome.

  • @BiddieTube
    @BiddieTube 4 года назад

    I have at least one of those, not sure what brands or sizes. Have always been afraid to use it because could not understand why the tap does not brake in the event that tapping becomes too tight. From this video, it appears that "Tapping Torque" is determined by how hard one pushes down on the drill press handle, and if not pressing too hard, when the tap gets too tight, or bottoms out in a blind hole, the cork clutch cone will slip. I am sure I got it, but if you read this, PLEASE Confirm. Now, when those heads turn up, lost in the crib somewhere, I will put them in the shop and give them a try on "Government Work" until I become familiar and confident in the feel of using them. I will dissemble, inspect, clean and lube them before using since now, thanks to this video, I completely understand whats inside and how it works. Thanks :)

  • @ralphgould2783
    @ralphgould2783 4 года назад

    Always wondered what was inside! Thanks Mr. Pete

  • @dragonrider93
    @dragonrider93 4 года назад

    Love these vids when you take stuff apart. Back when I was a kid, curiosity got the better of me and I took a lot of stuff apart to see how it worked........ Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад

      My dad did not believe in buying toys for us. He would give us mechanical things to take apart. Now that I look back, that was a stroke of genius on his part. I was jealous of friends that had lots of toys.

  • @donaldnaymon3270
    @donaldnaymon3270 4 года назад

    Great video. Great description of how it works. Thank you for sharing

  • @johneric3886
    @johneric3886 4 года назад

    Greatwork Mr. Pete, I actually use one of those we did a huge roll tap Job. Most of our machines however are Brown and Sharpe.

  • @Bennybob01
    @Bennybob01 4 года назад

    Thank you for this video! I’ve always wondered how these work so you answered a question I’ve had for the 13 years I’ve been working in the trade!

  • @AWDJRforYouTube
    @AWDJRforYouTube 4 года назад

    Great unit, can't wait until your service video. 👍👍👍

  • @Dancer148
    @Dancer148 4 года назад

    Thanks, I always wanted to know how that worked before buying one.
    Allthough my handtapping gets jammed frequently and multiple reverse is needed I wonder if the small taps won't break with that tapping tool.

  • @nevetslleksah
    @nevetslleksah 4 года назад

    Very interesting. Thanks for making the video. Thank goodness for inventors.

  • @lenlandrum4229
    @lenlandrum4229 4 года назад

    I have one of these. It has a one half inch capacity. I've not use it in quiet awhile. I should get it out, clean it up and see if I could get up a trade with s local shop that might could use it. I no longer do production in my shop. I'm retired and just play in my shop.

  • @ronaldkearn3322
    @ronaldkearn3322 4 года назад +1

    That video was super! What a fantastic tool! Can you imaging that tool in some factory just tapping? Worth its weight in gold.

  • @MrFHLH
    @MrFHLH 4 года назад

    Thanks, often wondered how they work, now I know, clever. Just wondered have you heard of a Mill Master milling machine, I am told they were the fore runner of the Bridgeport milling machine.

  • @pdaddyblake
    @pdaddyblake 4 года назад +1

    Mercusier still uses friction cone drives in there bravo outdrives learned about them when I serviced mine they dont make as much noise going from forward to reverse as dog type gears👍

  • @marknahabedian1803
    @marknahabedian1803 4 года назад

    This was not clear to me in the video. Is the ring gear directly connected to the main shaft?
    Under forward feed the cork cone engages with the interior conical surface above the ring gear to directly drive the spindle. In the neutral position neither that cone nor the planet gears are engaged and the spindle isn't driven. Under reverse feed the the tap is held back by the threads it is cutting, pulling the smaller cone down to engage with the sun gear. The sun gear is permanently engaged with the planet gears, which are mounted stationary to the body of the device. The ring gear is permanently engaged with the planet gears. All forward or reverse feeding does is engage the spindle directly to the shaft through the top cone, or to the sun gear through the bottom cone respectively.
    Did I get that right?
    That's pretty cool. Thanks for the video.
    I wish you the best for the coming year.

  • @user240485
    @user240485 4 года назад

    hmm possible future shop project I think DIY tapping head. The friction fit would have to be replace with some sort of full gear system. It would be tough to create and it would have to work on the principal of a manual transmission but scale way back with only one speed. Thanks for butting another shop idea in my head.

    • @Motor-City-Mike
      @Motor-City-Mike 4 года назад

      I have no idea of what you have available in terms of materials or machinery but the clutch drive could be duplicated using Nylon or a plastic with characteristics similar to the cork (there are quite a few) for the clutch cone itself.
      Of course if you'd enjoy developing a small, reversing gear train feel free to ignore me, lol!!!

  • @TheAyrCaveShop
    @TheAyrCaveShop 4 года назад

    Enjoyed...always wondered what was inside of those

  • @vecair
    @vecair 4 года назад

    Whats going to keep those two pins you tapped in to the tube with the acme nut from working their way into the tube over time? They will do that.

  • @ohmbug10
    @ohmbug10 4 года назад

    Thank you for the awesome video Mr. Pete. I would have loved one of these for the countless machine screw holes I made on industrial electrical control panels. 😀

  • @jordanparkinson4584
    @jordanparkinson4584 4 года назад

    Well explained ! Always wondered how they got the 2 x reverse Drive !

  • @PaulSteMarie
    @PaulSteMarie 4 года назад

    Fantastic video! I've got a Procunier E1 and E2 from e Bay and they are a fabulous way to tape holes.
    Question: how do you store yours? Seems like laying one of these on its side risks getting oil up into the clutch area. The instructions are very explicit about not adding too much oil.

    • @robb1165
      @robb1165 4 года назад

      I have store mine on its side for the last 12 years. Still works fine. I think you would have to significantly over oil it to get the oil up into the clutch. Probably could clean it if you managed to get oil up there.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад

      On its side in a drawer

  • @elsdp-4560
    @elsdp-4560 4 года назад

    THANK YOU...for sharing. Watched and very much enjoyed.

  • @scotttipps8155
    @scotttipps8155 Год назад

    I have 2 of these given to me by my old shop mentor. Unfortunately they both have Morse tapers as opposed to a straight shank and I can't use them. Thanks for the inside view

  • @RockingJOffroad
    @RockingJOffroad 4 года назад

    Those are much simpler than I would have thought!

  • @Billhilly87
    @Billhilly87 4 года назад

    That is such an ingenious tool, thanks for sharing.

  • @bking0740
    @bking0740 4 года назад

    Do you have any videos of cutting a inside ring gear?

  • @elcheapo5302
    @elcheapo5302 4 года назад

    Ingenius! Thank you, Mr. Pete!

  • @paulinmt2185
    @paulinmt2185 4 года назад

    I'd love to find one of these. It might keep me from busting so many small taps ;-) Thanks for the look-see.

  • @barlowchiro
    @barlowchiro 3 года назад

    So you can just put one of this in your drill press chuck? You don't have to remove the chuck and install this?

  • @German_MDS
    @German_MDS 4 года назад

    Very clever device. I wonder how well that cork will hold the cones in case of the tap getting stuck in the threads. I asume it would have been a consumable part.

  • @SteveSummers
    @SteveSummers 4 года назад

    Thanks Lyle. Very interesting design.

  • @michaelcraig6408
    @michaelcraig6408 3 года назад

    Doesn't the cone have to be offset a little to catch the cup and reverse it?

  • @terrystover7365
    @terrystover7365 4 года назад

    Always wondered how they worked. I've used them but never disassembled one.

  • @peteferguson7024
    @peteferguson7024 4 года назад

    Simple always wins!!!! Nice lesson. Thanks

  • @RRINTHESHOP
    @RRINTHESHOP 4 года назад

    Happy New Year, Great demo. Nice unit.

  • @luderickwong
    @luderickwong 4 года назад

    Sir, this thing really looks like those battery drill gear box....so today's lesson is all about tapping by friction. If i have a broken old battery drill, i may be able to make something similar?

  • @michaelcoceski5442
    @michaelcoceski5442 4 года назад

    Thank you Mr. Pete - a very clever invention that I did not know about. Best wishes for the new year.

  • @miken3260
    @miken3260 4 года назад

    I bought what I thought might be a tapping head very cheaply at a flea market. It had the arm coming off it to stop against the drill press column. It turned out it was only a speed reducer and was too small for drills with over a 1/4 inch shank.

  • @bobjimenez4464
    @bobjimenez4464 4 года назад

    The Procunier advantage over the Tapmatic heads is the cork will not be exposed to oil when stored horizontally.....like a tool chain.
    You can really kick up the spindle speed to get much longer tap life......try the .190-24 at 1,500 rpm in steel.

  • @olavl8827
    @olavl8827 4 года назад

    Very interesting device. Is this how those modern tapping arms work as well?

  • @jerrywilson9730
    @jerrywilson9730 4 года назад

    Keep them coming, always enjoy! How could you get 11 thumbs down???? Some people need to get a life!

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад

      Lots of nasty people out there

  • @seekingtko3146
    @seekingtko3146 4 года назад

    same tool i used to drill Aluminum parts worked great no stripped threads

  • @cuteswan
    @cuteswan 4 года назад

    It probably took me a little longer to get it, but after a few jumps back and repeatedly yelling at my brain that the input shaft _only_ drives the top and bottom cups, it sunk in. (You said it often enough too, but the piece of meat between my ears is really stubborn sometimes.) Thanks again for another great video.

  • @joeheilm
    @joeheilm 4 года назад

    Very interesting! I would have never expected cork. Great stuff. Cheers

  • @GaryT1952
    @GaryT1952 4 года назад

    Fascinating Mr. Pete, thank you

  • @billwalck1324
    @billwalck1324 4 года назад

    I assume the friction cone material is either cork or sintered bronze. With the effort to exclude oil, I'd bet on cork. I notice a gutter at the bottom adjacent to the drain hole. Is this intended to act as an oil reservoir? If so, this would imply some sort of lip seal on the output shaft instead of a felt. The reaction rod should have had a little boxing glove accessory for the old school education it would offer the first time the drill press was reversed. Thanks for the video.

  • @PeterWMeek
    @PeterWMeek 4 года назад

    Looking forward to the "servicing" video. I have one of these and it needs servicing. I hope I can get away without replacing that cork cone.

  • @V8Lounge
    @V8Lounge 4 года назад

    I've never seen something like that here in germany. Very interesting. Thank You for the video.

  • @danballarin
    @danballarin 4 года назад

    I got one of these from my work because they were going to throw it away! Unfortunately I think all the collets did go in the trash!!! they are about $45 a piece, so I will have to see about making my own adaptors.

  • @llapmsp
    @llapmsp 4 года назад

    Very interesting and well explained video. I checked Ebay, and there are a lot of them for sale, might just have to have one. Thanks again for the great videos you offer.

  • @keithparady2594
    @keithparady2594 4 года назад

    How hard would it be to make one of those

  • @gopinadhanparambil9268
    @gopinadhanparambil9268 2 года назад

    Designed a century ago, what an engineering !

  • @piccilos
    @piccilos 4 года назад

    I have one of these, the collet but on mine is extremely difficult to remove

  • @stevewalker7822
    @stevewalker7822 4 года назад

    What a very unique tool.

  • @19672701
    @19672701 4 года назад

    Tried to get one at Lost Creek at your meet and greet,couldn't find Goldilocks,either too big or too small great video!

  • @Bronco541
    @Bronco541 4 года назад

    an ingenious piece of machinery; excellent series too; I love learning how stuff works!
    700$!? that's a bit much (for a new one)... much more affordable to either buy used or just go the old fashioned handheld way... Hell you can buy a brand new drill press for that price (or less even)

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  4 года назад

      Yes, I would never buy one. Way too much money.