I Bought The CHEAPEST and MOST EXPENSIVE Wooden Snare Drum on Amazon

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    _______________ I Bought The CHEAPEST and MOST EXPENSIVE Wooden Snare Drum on Amazon
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    As a drum teacher, one of the biggest drum related questions I get asked is about the cost of certain drums. Are expensive drums BETTER? Will cheaper drums work just as well? What defines a "better" sounding drum? For this video, I bought the cheapest 5.5" wooden snare drum and the most expensive 5.5" wooden snare drum on Amazon. An epic snare drum shoot out.
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  • @StephenTaylorDrums
    @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +59

    Subscribe or I'll steal your snare drum: bit.ly/2AyH1Fb
    As a drum teacher, one of the biggest drum related questions I get asked is about the cost of certain drums. Are expensive drums BETTER? Will cheaper drums work just as well? What defines a "better" sounding drum? For this video, I bought the cheapest 5.5" snare drum and the most expensive 5.5" snare on Amazon. An epic snare drum shoot out.
    Leave a comment below and let me know which snare you like the best!

    • @fishingloverfish7984
      @fishingloverfish7984 3 года назад +3

      Love the vids

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +1

      @@fishingloverfish7984 Thanks!

    • @richardstewart8716
      @richardstewart8716 3 года назад +1

      I always make time for education, thank you.

    • @ab_ab_c
      @ab_ab_c 3 года назад +1

      Honestly, I liked the sound of the cheaper snare drum better. Maybe fitting it with better hardware would improve it's range for less $ (if a person wanted that).
      The more expensive drum sounded like a snare + a bit of cow bell sound mixed into it. Not that appealing, imo.
      Just my $0.02

    • @StuPedassol
      @StuPedassol 3 года назад +1

      That's crazy that even the ludwig snare doesn't come with better rattlers on it or skins... You think for 759 it would be top of the line.

  • @rdavidr
    @rdavidr 3 года назад +684

    Bruh, if you send me the $20 snare and $400 Ill make you a snare that'll sound like its worth $30.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +110

      Overnighting rn

    • @DrummerGrrrl
      @DrummerGrrrl 3 года назад +11

      Hahahahaha.

    • @JailDoctor1
      @JailDoctor1 3 года назад +10

      Watched both of your videos. Love 💘 it. I play drums but I'd rather play with drums. JLDR

    • @classixdrummer
      @classixdrummer 3 года назад +10

      The beard is strong with this one.

    • @clayevans2472
      @clayevans2472 3 года назад +3

      When two channels you sub to cross paths

  • @472zothansangachawngthu7
    @472zothansangachawngthu7 3 года назад +261

    Snare drum:Please i have a wife and three toms

  • @1lonnieabbott1
    @1lonnieabbott1 3 года назад +163

    One of the things I have told my students over the years is that great cymbals and heads will usually make a cheap drum set sound great, but cheap cymbals and heads will usually make a great drum set sound cheap.

    • @magedzaki9637
      @magedzaki9637 3 года назад +1

      I totally agree

    • @Wootsickles
      @Wootsickles 3 года назад +6

      Not sure why I thought of this. I figure it's the same with power tools. You can buy the most high end table saw out there. If you use cheap blades and bad guides/accessories your cuts will still suffer.

    • @Mariusss100.
      @Mariusss100. Год назад

      Also, a bat drummer will usually make a great drum set sound cheap :))

    • @Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate
      @Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate 6 месяцев назад

      or to put it another way expensive drumkits aint worth it

  • @Chudhole
    @Chudhole 3 года назад +85

    I preferred the cheap snare especially in the mix.

    • @7echnoid
      @7echnoid 3 года назад +6

      Yep was just about to comment the same. Liked that sound a lot more!

    • @misterknightowlandco
      @misterknightowlandco 3 года назад +1

      Me too

  • @jordanblue5630
    @jordanblue5630 3 года назад +58

    wow, that don't sound like an $800 Ludwig snare to me. I'm betting a $100 Acrolite can blow that snare away on any day.

    • @nevenvarljen6694
      @nevenvarljen6694 3 года назад +10

      One of the worst expensive snares that i've heard was this one

    • @beatleszilla
      @beatleszilla 3 года назад +12

      @@nevenvarljen6694 seemed to work for The Beatles

    • @ErickC
      @ErickC 3 года назад +4

      Absolutely! The Acrolite is an amazing all-around value because they're relatively cheap and the only way to make them sound bad is if you try *really hard.*

    • @garysmith3173
      @garysmith3173 3 года назад +5

      Wow I’d love to find $100 Acrolite. In the uk a new 14x6 would cost £500-£600! Vintage ones are the same price range!

    • @maciekomis
      @maciekomis 3 года назад

      @@garysmith3173 14x6 were uncommon and always expensive. i don't think there even are vintage 6s. my 2 acrolites were quite cheap. less than $200 with shipping from US to europe. but that was about 10 years ago.

  • @jonhayesofficial
    @jonhayesofficial 2 года назад +17

    wow. at first I hated the cheap drum but with the head change, I actually consistently like the cheaper one in every test. The expensive one had too much resonance that I didn't like

  • @ess8057
    @ess8057 3 года назад +76

    This video has made me realise that my snare sounds like shit

    • @Joshstix95
      @Joshstix95 3 года назад +12

      Just tune the bottom head really tight (like really tight) tune the top head to your preference ... problem solved

    • @K50ATTACK
      @K50ATTACK 3 года назад +2

      Get a tension watch measure thing. Match the batter head with the snare head numbers wise, a little gel. And you’re set. But seriously, get a drum meter of some sort. I got the tama like 6 years ago. Can’t be beaten.

    • @mickschnabel
      @mickschnabel 3 года назад +1

      @@Joshstix95 I've actually had the bottom head blow out before due to doing that, however it did sound good prior to that happening

    • @Joshstix95
      @Joshstix95 3 года назад +1

      @@mickschnabel yeah I do that all the time . I noticed remo hazyz last longer then any other brand tuning wise ... I busted my evans lastweek hahaha

    • @bojanglesobrien6883
      @bojanglesobrien6883 3 года назад

      @@mickschnabel it was all good til it wasn't 😆

  • @arsonne
    @arsonne 3 года назад +21

    I would be pretty disappointed with that 800$ snare even when you made it sound good for what it can do.

  • @BrandonGrieve
    @BrandonGrieve 3 года назад +146

    Not gonna lie, I actually prefer the tone of the cheap snare overall. It's meatier. I don't like the ring that comes out of the expensive snare. I think I'd be a little pissed if I had paid $800 for that snare.

    • @jonset7
      @jonset7 3 года назад +14

      I agree. Overall , the cheap one sounds thicker, at least to my ears. The cheap snare’s sound/tone fits in better with the vibe of the song being played in the video. When used in the context of another song with a different vibe, the Ludwig may sound better in the mix.

    • @PJBonoVox
      @PJBonoVox 3 года назад +8

      Yeah, same. Honestly I didn't like either snare all told, but the cheaper share had something closer to what I like.

    • @bebop425
      @bebop425 3 года назад +3

      That ring was a little annoying after a bit, agree. I might use it in one song, but not general use

    • @austinshoupe3003
      @austinshoupe3003 3 года назад +3

      Poplar is a great recording wood. Very punchy and thick sounding. Just not that loud.
      There's also the quirks of ludwig's hardware and the rather niche design of the Ludwig shell. There was no way the same heads and tuning were going to work for equally well for both.

    • @FreeScience
      @FreeScience 3 года назад +3

      I'm not a drummer, but the Ludwig would sit better in a jazz song to my ears.

  • @benjaminprietop
    @benjaminprietop 3 года назад +29

    I loved both, actually. But the high tuning on the expensive snare made it sound a little bit too "St.Anger-y" for my taste.

  • @markurry3149
    @markurry3149 3 года назад +20

    I don't like either of these snares. They both suck.

    • @heavyhowl6365
      @heavyhowl6365 3 года назад +2

      They both sound like they'd cost less than $200 max

  • @תהלוויספר
    @תהלוויספר 3 года назад +15

    The 800$ one has a lot more 'presence', but the cheap one sound suprisinly good.

  • @gregchapman3519
    @gregchapman3519 3 года назад +8

    Pretty terrible $800 snare if you ask me. The Jazz fest snares are absolutely gutless.

  • @kg_drums
    @kg_drums 3 года назад +29

    I just bought a 70’s Acrolite and I had the SAME thought about the dampener! Being able to change the character of the drum on the fly without having to put sticky stuff on the batter head is one of my favorite things about it

    • @musshwins412
      @musshwins412 3 года назад +3

      I just bought a Gretsch Brooklyn standard snare. It has a huge dampener and it dampens perfectly. It reminds me of the old Slingerland RadioKing. My 1968 Ludwig LM400 rings like a metal snare should, but im loving this wooden Gretsch.

    • @K50ATTACK
      @K50ATTACK 3 года назад +3

      I’ve gotta 6x5 late 70’s pearl jupiter and internal damping thing is awesome for sure.

  • @JohnGatesIII
    @JohnGatesIII 3 года назад +18

    It's the hardest thing about chasing a "Drum Sound" on a recording. Great example of how tuning has as much or more impact on the sound than the drum itself. Keep up the Great work.

  • @jmw0368
    @jmw0368 3 года назад +15

    To be honest the cheapo isn’t actually awful, but I didn’t think it sounded much better after you did the changes.

    • @nickpisarczyk
      @nickpisarczyk 3 года назад

      me too i didn’t really like the sound of either drum to be honesy

  • @TheMichaelJadeDrumChannel
    @TheMichaelJadeDrumChannel 3 года назад +11

    Hey Stephen, I know you're an Aquarian guy, but save that Ludwig snare side head! The collars are mechanically locked, rather than glued, and they hold their tuning really well! Also, they're super thin, and will last a long long time. I use them on all my snares, even if they're not a Ludwig snare. I think the only other company around with mechanically locked drumhead collars is Attack, but I could be wrong. You should do a segment about the difference of the two! Cheers!

  • @paulleigh5351
    @paulleigh5351 3 года назад +5

    There’s not $800 worth of difference in the sound test. Obviously. The value would come in longevity. The cheap one wouldn’t last many gigs.
    Great vid though Steve👍

  • @thenecroticfiend1692
    @thenecroticfiend1692 3 года назад +18

    I literally just found your channel AND im early for a video.
    Honestly my timing is perfect xD

  • @billys3400
    @billys3400 3 года назад +8

    I buy the $800 Ludwig snare, but can't get the "Bonham" snare sound.
    John Bonham buys the $29 one, and gets the "Bonham" snare sound.

    • @curtisheddins5878
      @curtisheddins5878 3 года назад

      @@rossforrest 😆

    • @curtisheddins5878
      @curtisheddins5878 3 года назад +1

      This is a wood shell snare. Bonham played the Chrome over Aluminum 6.5X14 Ludwig Supra-phonic. You can get the Bonham sound with the Supra-phonic, but actual reproduction of his playing vary by user👍

  • @peppevonmatterhorn9161
    @peppevonmatterhorn9161 3 года назад +7

    Every cheap/expensive comparison video I've been watching basically confirms that, at least sound-wise, there's no need to spend crazy money on stuff. Of course you don't wanna go cheap, in a live situation the difference would be huge! once you reach a certain quality standard, over that point it's just collecting stuff or personal gratification imho.. which of course is good, if that's what you're looking for! 😊

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +4

      Quality used gear or mid level priced. There is a reason you see me playing a starclassic kit and not their top shelf stuff. I feel it's more genuine to show everyone what I would be playing in real life on gigs and not what I could play just because I have an endorsement.

    • @Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate
      @Solar.Geoengineering.Advocate 6 месяцев назад

      no actually id say in live settings it'd be noticed even less. unless ur playing like quiet jazz or whatever in a tiny venue

  • @robertking7584
    @robertking7584 3 года назад +5

    Cheaper snare had more character. The over priced one has its place but sounded like crap in the mix.

  • @batwithglasses
    @batwithglasses 3 года назад +6

    Expensive certainly doesn't always sound "better"...as with everything , it's in the hands of the artist. I've had very expensive snares sound horrible regardless the amount of tweaking, and I have had CB-700 snares that I could make sound amazing..Expensive usually comes with quality but not always sonic dominance I have found..just my 2 snares worth😉

  • @philipkarovski281
    @philipkarovski281 3 года назад +52

    I didn't expect the cheap snare to sound remotely as good as it sounds, maybe because Stephen is such a good drummer

    • @larrytate1657
      @larrytate1657 3 года назад +4

      Except tuned low the cheap snare sounded unusable it was so bad.

    • @JGC1
      @JGC1 3 года назад +10

      I'm sorry, but there's no mistery in playing the snare in the way it's played on this video. The cheap snare may not sound superb, but the premium snare that costs 25 times more, doesn't sound 25 times better.

    • @petermcnallt12pm
      @petermcnallt12pm Год назад

      sounded better than the ludwig IMO on the 'out of box' test anyway. surprising.

  • @johnknight9150
    @johnknight9150 3 года назад +4

    If you're stuck with a cheap drum kit, the right heads can make a huge difference. I started with a $50 drumkit my brother bought. We tried a whole bunch of things, and bought Remo (because everyone buys Remo. Then I tried Evans heads, the models that lean towards brightness. The difference was night and day, and my brothers walked in and said, "wow, what did you do?!".
    Other than that, buy the second cheapest of everything, kids. Cars, drums, hookers, wine, whatever - second cheapest is always the best bang for buck! ;-)

  • @JC-xx5dm
    @JC-xx5dm 3 года назад +8

    It’s all preference. There are plenty of situations where the junk snare could make the Ludwig sound like junk. Build quality is a different story.

    • @larrytate1657
      @larrytate1657 3 года назад

      Yeah the Cheap snare would prob fall apart on the road within a month.

  • @joshjamesuk
    @joshjamesuk 3 года назад +6

    Hey Stephen, sorry if you have already done this and I have missed it but if not, please could you do a video on how you mix snares like the light mix in this video. That would be super useful!

  • @8xtime
    @8xtime 3 года назад +5

    There is no way that Ludwig sounds
    25 times better than the Glarry

  • @mikeyem1562
    @mikeyem1562 3 года назад +4

    So I never thought to much about swapping out my original resonate head on my snare, mostly just never had a reason, so I did after watching this along with new snare wire (one had broke anyway so had an excuse) and just wow, wish I had done sooner.

  • @carlsampson7858
    @carlsampson7858 3 года назад +5

    Great comparison Stephen 👏 👍 👌 Where could find a download of the track you're playing with? 😉

    • @zacharyashdown7286
      @zacharyashdown7286 3 года назад +1

      Seriously!! I absolutely love that song he's playing along with. I'd love to practice to it myself. I think it's the same one he used in his "I paid three drum legends to play record the same song."

  • @AudiosphereX
    @AudiosphereX 3 года назад +5

    I liked the expensive one better, but I think the cheap one sits better in the mix.

  • @jj0dyw0ah..21
    @jj0dyw0ah..21 3 года назад +5

    Idk about everyone else but i love the slight overtones when hitting rimshots, i would prefer the Ludwig snare

  • @rotek824
    @rotek824 3 года назад +4

    Cymbals are 10times more important than Shells. Buy a cheap drumkit with heads, and speed all the money on cymbals.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +3

      Yes!!!

    • @rotek824
      @rotek824 2 года назад

      @Agent Smith dude, i've got mapex tornado XD
      changed drumheads too, they sound really good, especially under the mic

  • @bndncn
    @bndncn 3 года назад +4

    The cheap one sounds like it's about to fall apart. I would be surprised if it lasted through an entire gig.

  • @Hilldrum
    @Hilldrum 3 года назад +5

    You're gonna fix that smoke detector, right?

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +1

      Lol, I was waiting for someone to notice it. Garage. It's hard wired into the house...battery is just dead and it started complaining this week

    • @stevensansone7502
      @stevensansone7502 3 года назад +2

      I was gonna comment, but I just knew someone had to have already.

    • @komedias
      @komedias 3 года назад +2

      heard it too lol

  • @ungmd21
    @ungmd21 3 года назад +3

    There's an old saying, "Its not the arrow, its the Indian." While Ludwig make a good product, you are also paying for the name and the association with THAT drum. I believe its what Ringo Starr mostly used with the Beatles. If Ringo had the $29 drum, I'll bet it would still sound good.
    Being a guitar player, both drums sound pretty good to me, which is due to your skill.

  • @heeeeeey2818
    @heeeeeey2818 3 года назад +1

    Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • @GamingDrummer89
    @GamingDrummer89 3 года назад +1

    This is why I buy used...got a 14x6.5 Pearl Maple Free Floater for under $200 on eBay, for instance.
    Personally, that $800 snare doesn't sound anywhere near that price point, and the cheap-o snare works with mixing, but I'd be afraid of breaking it by accident (and I'm not THAT hard of a hitter).

  • @BladesMusic
    @BladesMusic 3 года назад +3

    One thing this video shows for sure: The sound of the micing, the mix, and the player outweigh the sounds of the snare itself. I went back and forth from the front end of the video to the back and I think the preference was to the cheaper snare here in general. I use all electronic drums at this point for a lot of reasons, but getting a great snare drum sound is so important - even hearing these two against one another leads to the same end - it matters most in the playing and in the mix. Aside from that, no one in the listening world cares if it was a Ludwig or a "My Pillow" if it sounds good in the mix! Thanks for the video.

  • @michaeljrussell
    @michaeljrussell 3 года назад +1

    What's that great, hook-y music track that's being used after the "light mix?" TIA.

  • @ripleyhrgiger4669
    @ripleyhrgiger4669 3 года назад +3

    I preferred the sound of the cheaper snare in all three instances, no mix, low mix, and with music. It's going to sound crazy, but it sounded "happier" to me... which fit the music much better and made me feel good inside.

  • @jimmydudley652
    @jimmydudley652 2 года назад +1

    Before I get a minute into the video snare number 2 is the 800 dollar one. 0:36 seconds in.

  • @kork777
    @kork777 3 года назад +1

    What’s the sound track your playing to, love the vibe??

  • @PaulAnnis
    @PaulAnnis 3 года назад +1

    Cool video, great sounds. How long did the $29 snare hold its tuning? Hardware lets down so many cheap to middle of the road drums. I sold my DW’s and picked up a cheap Mapex Meridian Obsidian Black kit a while ago, loved it but the hardware was S#%T!!! The DW’s sound just didn’t excite me.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +1

      It didn't hold the tuning extremely well...but I expected that

  • @Metalhead0985
    @Metalhead0985 3 года назад +1

    How do you get the snare to have that nice crack on the high tuning snare how many turns from finger tight to get that crack and ring I love that. I have a 13x5 mapex birch snare and I have and aquarian texture coated power dot snare head and the stock snare head. Please help!! Maybe some tips on the snare wires too. Thank you sir! Love it vids been subscribed for several years now :)

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +2

      Don't know how many turns...but tune it up higher than you think is necessary. As well, crank the bottom head WAY up. That is where the crack comes from. And get the snares tight without choking the drum. I prefer to lightly tap the snare for snare tightness. If my taps are getting mostly head sound, loosen the snares. I loosen until my ghost notes start to get some snare in them

  • @michaellotz1811
    @michaellotz1811 3 года назад +1

    Ludwig sounds great but definitely not $771 better.

  • @ronagoodwell2709
    @ronagoodwell2709 3 года назад +1

    Late 60s Rogers Dynasonic, chrome makes these drums sound like the cardboard boxes they were shipped in. Nice cracking attack, great tone, just a wee bit of ring and terrific snare throw. Plus built like a tank.

  • @fatchanceb1823
    @fatchanceb1823 3 года назад +2

    Cheapie works just fine - at home practicing. Currently playing on a $20 (used rogue found online), with Evans mesh head. I may put the $25 DW 3 position snare butt on it to be able to get the snares quieter for after bedtime practice. But for it's intended purpose, you don't need to waste money on something that only matters to gammas with no value to your future. Play what works, if its a trashcan lid that builds your million dollar chops, then a trashcan lid is magnificently better than a million dollar drum that you are scared to whack with a stick.

  • @doumbec
    @doumbec 3 года назад +2

    The Ludwig sounded better out of the box before the upgrades IMO

  • @Dylan.Gmusic
    @Dylan.Gmusic 3 года назад +2

    5:50
    That's surprisingly good for $29

  • @hombreenojado
    @hombreenojado 3 года назад +2

    Hey, those Jazz Fests are SWEET! Especially the mahogany. But of course, Ludwig so the strainer and throw off aren't great.

  • @scottchantos2388
    @scottchantos2388 3 года назад +1

    I picked up a jazz fest on clearance at GC for $420. Threw some 20 strand puresound wires on it, and absolutely love it. Don’t know if I wold love it at full price though.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад

      You wouldn't. I agree...it's a mid price range drum in my book.

  • @ryandonohue152
    @ryandonohue152 3 года назад +1

    That Ludwig should have a p88 throw for the price. I had to change the crap p85 to the p88 on a hammered black beauty. Spend $700 and Ludwig gives you the throw from a student snare.

  • @TimeoutKB
    @TimeoutKB 3 года назад +1

    What’s the name of the song you’re playing too?

  • @OneTeeGlory
    @OneTeeGlory 3 года назад +1

    Great video man. I was cringing so hard when I heard the Ludwig with high tuning. That sounded absolutely awful to me. 😂

  • @SG-qx1fg
    @SG-qx1fg 3 года назад +5

    I actually preferred the low and mid on the $29 😍

  • @hectatusbreakfastus6106
    @hectatusbreakfastus6106 3 года назад +2

    You make a $29 drum sound better than me on my TD 27 🤣🤣🤣 skill trumps quality all the time. I love your videos.

  • @lucasagustinrafael
    @lucasagustinrafael 3 года назад +1

    I wouldn't pay u$s800 for that sound. I think it's a matter of research to make your money cover your needs of sound, durability and consistency all around. There's a lot of better snares overall that worth a lot less than that Ludwig and cover those 3 specs better

  • @seanwalsh999
    @seanwalsh999 3 года назад +2

    Great test, very thorough and well exacuted. I think you should do cymbals next, but it would cost you a fortune. I like how you showed how the drums sit in the mix.

  • @tuomollo
    @tuomollo 3 года назад +1

    To be honest, I don't like that Ludwig snare. There's a lot of better sounding snares for about $200..$300.

  • @dannylugojr3428
    @dannylugojr3428 3 года назад +1

    I don't know why it is but it seems that pride has to do with why Ludwig uses these cheap throwoffs.
    It's like they have been using these old style throwoffs for so long that they won't bother to change, even when the consumer tells them that it sucks and they need to change it. I don't get it !!!!

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +2

      The throwoff would keep me from buying this drum. If you want to sell a boutique type drum, get the details right.

  • @benr4165
    @benr4165 3 года назад +2

    I think the takeaway is, as long as the bearing edge is good, any drum can sound decent if limited in it's tuning range. Then again, you wouldn't imagine a cheap drum holding up to being gigged and the abuse you might inflict on it. Of course at $29, you might have several spares. Disposable snare drums!!

  • @warmfuzzydeath
    @warmfuzzydeath 3 года назад +1

    i have a sonor 503 (china cheap) set I use for practice cause its easy to set up and is small.. the snare that came with it is awesome and works better in a lot of circumstances than my Tama Swingstar and Sonor Phonic snare. Paid $200 for the whole set and it came with cymbals on craigslist... turned around and sold the cymbals for $200...

  • @themilksnatcher
    @themilksnatcher 3 года назад +1

    With the music the cheaper one sounds better

  • @ambiention
    @ambiention 3 года назад +2

    I generally prefer the more expensive one, but I can imagine tracks where the cheap one would be more appropriate.

  • @bmbell71
    @bmbell71 3 года назад +1

    I dislike both drums and actually for $800, but I expected I wouldn't like the $30 snare. I am amazed at how uninspiring the Ludwig snare sounds. I know this is a "wood" drum test but for $800, putting brand biases aside you could get a black beauty or a supraphonic in that same price range that have way more tuning range than that thing did. If you want a 5.5" wood snare, I've heard drums for a lot less than that thing from other manufacturers that would blow it away. Bottom line, what does the drum sound like, what's it's tuning range, what's it's frequency response, etc. etc. Most of the big name manufacturers make good stuff, but they also can make stuff that's not so great. However I totally agree about the internal muffling. I really wish they would bring that back, and stop having to mess with crazy sound engineers putting gaffer tape all over your heads.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +1

      I was thinking the same thing. If I'm gonna pay that money, there are a couple of go to's you mentioned that would smoke this one

  • @vsr600
    @vsr600 3 года назад +1

    Grosgrain ribbon for snare straps. Works amazingly well and doesn’t slip and it’s about two dollars a roll at Walmart. For years I had problems with slipping plastic straps or breaking strings. I use grosgrain on all my snares now, highly recommend.

    • @mr.145
      @mr.145 3 года назад

      Me too,gently melt the cuts with a cigarette lighter ,to stop them fraying.

  • @BibleStorm
    @BibleStorm 3 года назад +3

    Cheap snare sounded better with the original heads.

  • @rhythmantic
    @rhythmantic 3 года назад

    Drum #2 sounds the best - which I determined by the first few seconds of the intro before any modifications.

  • @dye182
    @dye182 3 года назад +2

    I hate 5.5 6” is the minimal depth for me preferred 6.5

  • @robertcozart6081
    @robertcozart6081 3 года назад +2

    I really appreciate your positive attitude and your willingness to share your experiences and wisdom. To me, the player is 9/10ths of any equation. I believe the issue of bearing edge and snare bed is a very important aspect to achieving a good sound.

  • @footnotedrummer
    @footnotedrummer 3 года назад +1

    You pointed out my biggest complaint with Ludwig snares. They rest so heavily on the laurels of their name, that they don't feel the "need" to upgrade their throw-offs. In my opinion... they should just charge a little more for them and put a good throw-off on. However... there's no justification for charging almost $800 for a snare with a shitty throw-off. The P88 is (as far as I know) their top shelf throw-off. It's $50 and it only costs that because it says Ludwig on it. It's a $20 throw-off in reality. More power to them if people wanna buy them.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад

      I don't get it. If it's a known deal in the market that the throw offs suck (and it is), why not make them better? The throwoff alone is a deal breaker. I thought the drum sounded fine...but not a boutique drum IMHO with that throwoff

    • @footnotedrummer
      @footnotedrummer 3 года назад

      @@StephenTaylorDrums ... Agreed, my friend. Great video BTW.

  • @pdromero09
    @pdromero09 3 года назад +1

    Carter's Jazz fest video is a bit better. Sounds good in all 6 of his tunings, don't think the 29 dollar snare has more than 2 serviceable tunings.
    ruclips.net/video/U2UiiyaqswM/видео.html

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +1

      Oh, I'm sure I could have messed with it and fine tuned it more for sure. I really need a chance to live with a drum for a few before I can start getting consistent, solid sounds.
      Carter is a beautiful player man

    • @pdromero09
      @pdromero09 3 года назад

      @@StephenTaylorDrums I should have said a better presentation for the jazz fest drum. Your comparison and playing is great. Not trying to denigrate what you’re doing at all.
      The versatility and subtle tunings are what set the Ludwig apart and in the process of trying to find even footing between the two makes it a rougher comparison because you have to sacrifice s little of the jazz fest to be fair.

  • @claudeabraham2347
    @claudeabraham2347 Год назад +1

    The $800 snare sounds better than the $29 snare. But not 27 times better. Low priced drums offer better value. High end drums offer a little better sound for a much higher price.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  Год назад

      Honestly, middle of the road drums are where it's at.

    • @claudeabraham2347
      @claudeabraham2347 Год назад

      @@StephenTaylorDrums the middle grade drums definitely offer the most bang for the buck.

  • @cayres5803
    @cayres5803 3 года назад +1

    Really good point..." no snare drum is good at all things" the cheap drum held it's own in the mix... however I'd put that down to the playing rather than the drum. I was disappointed with the Ludwig... for 800 quid I expect more. Thanks for the video.👍

  • @christianparsons6050
    @christianparsons6050 3 года назад +3

    It’s a shame that one of the biggest tax dodging and morally spurious corporations were an integral part of what is otherwise a great video😄

    • @tonidarialto
      @tonidarialto 3 года назад

      what do you mean?

    • @jalel_z2867
      @jalel_z2867 3 года назад

      What do you mean? Dont just say that and leave us hanging, what fuckin company? Ludwig? Aquarian? Glarry? Who?

    • @christianparsons6050
      @christianparsons6050 3 года назад

      @@jalel_z2867 Amazon!

  • @BrandonKhoo
    @BrandonKhoo 3 года назад

    That $29 snare drum actually sounds good!! =-)

  • @brucevilla7490
    @brucevilla7490 3 года назад +1

    Keep in mind, one is made in America by American workers who earn a living wage thus ($800 snare) and one is made by people rounded up and put into worker camps thus ($29 snare). And most of that $29 comes from the shipping costs into this country. At medium and high tunings you can really hear the difference between the snares and the Ludwig is amazing. I am sure in the room itself the Ludwig would stand out even more.

  • @0101UnknownUser
    @0101UnknownUser 3 года назад +2

    Sweet vid. I actually liked the cheap snare sound at the end 😬. Out of interest, what would be the sweet spot on price ? 800, to me, got you a really nice snare but the price difference wouldn’t be justified. I know it’s very subjective, but from your experience is there a price range where things are as good as you need?

    • @markwlewisonutube
      @markwlewisonutube 3 года назад

      300 bucks, at the moment. I have serious doubts that people could tell between any $300 snare and any other made from the same material.

  • @TeamBoxCutta
    @TeamBoxCutta 3 года назад

    both truly sound bad.. if I paid 800 for that i would cry

  • @AugustBurnsRed181
    @AugustBurnsRed181 3 года назад +1

    I think the most get what you pay for in a typical average set are the cymbals crash ride highhat especially you really see and hear the difference between cheap and expensive quality

  • @joebrooks3638
    @joebrooks3638 3 года назад +1

    Imo it's all in the head! The expensive snare doesn't even have die cast hoops 🤷‍♂️ sorry I always feel die cast hoops is better than flanged hoops.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +2

      We talked about changing the hoops too but then you're going down a rabbit hole lol

    • @joebrooks3638
      @joebrooks3638 3 года назад +1

      @@StephenTaylorDrums it's like guitar lol you change the pickups and strings then pots, hardware or custom this or that and you should've just bought a better guitar etc.

  • @toolfan347
    @toolfan347 3 года назад +1

    All ludwig throw offs are still crap to this day. Even the black beauty and supraphonics have them. Wth?

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +1

      I really don't know. They're just horrible

    • @toolfan347
      @toolfan347 3 года назад +1

      @@StephenTaylorDrums it's too bad because my supraphonic sounds sick but I wouldn't use it live because of the throw off. I guess cuz it's classic but c'mon.

  • @aligrant2605
    @aligrant2605 3 года назад +3

    0:47 making this my new screen saver

  • @Warpedsmac
    @Warpedsmac 9 месяцев назад

    The Lugwig is better but not 27 times better (800/29). There's a lot of badge pricing with drums. It's the law of "diminishing returns".....Still playing my Camco and Ajax set... all these years later.

  • @ShawnBohrer
    @ShawnBohrer 3 года назад +3

    I've found that cheap drums can sound really good, but the crappy quality hardware and build quality is what makes them suck. No one wants a drum that de-tunes all the time, or has a crappy strainer that will slip or break. The other thing I've learned is that heads, the player, the tuning, and the mixing can completely change the sound of the drum. I didn't particularly like the sound of the Ludwig in this video though I agree with your sweet spot tuning. But if you go watch Carter Mclean play the same snare through a complete range of tunings I think the snare sounds great in his video. ruclips.net/video/U2UiiyaqswM/видео.html

    • @barefootalien
      @barefootalien 2 года назад

      Whoa, you're right! It sounds _much_ better on that channel. I especially liked the low-mid tuning when he engaged the damper.
      It totally makes sense now, in his hands. It's a jazz drum for sure. The detail it brought out on those subtle little rolls was magnificent!
      Obviously a different micing technique, maybe the tuning... I wonder how much of a difference those tiny little concert sticks make?
      Really makes you think... Stephen's heavier rock sticks and heavier rock hand made me think that drum was $800 worth of garbage, when it sounds sublime with a lighter touch and a lighter stick (and that freaking gobsmackingly enormous bass drum sound Carter gets... how!?)

    • @ShawnBohrer
      @ShawnBohrer 2 года назад +1

      @@barefootalien Carter has incredible touch. I'll note that while his signature sticks look tiny they are actually pretty thick. They are about halfway between a 5a and a 5b. I think his bass sound is a wide open drum single ply head tuned just barely above wrinkles. I think in that video it is a 20" kick and it sounds huge.

    • @barefootalien
      @barefootalien 2 года назад

      @@ShawnBohrer Hmm, very pointy, kinda deceptive.

    • @barefootalien
      @barefootalien 2 года назад

      @@ShawnBohrer Hah, yeah, at first I thought his kick was an 808 trigger, but then he played it with dynamics and touch.
      I... If I'm totally honest, I think it sounds _too_ big for the rest of the kit, but it's just so huge sounding I kinda don't care!

  • @danyodice1048
    @danyodice1048 3 года назад +1

    Do you have any videos on how you tune drums? I never saw the stick trick with the strainer before. I love ludwig but I have to say the cheaper snare sounded good. Great video idea...🤘🤘

  • @macgeng
    @macgeng 3 года назад +1

    Cheap sounds better tuned low! Love it.

  • @alexhill_79
    @alexhill_79 3 года назад +1

    $800 for the ludwig? i would be so disappointed if i bought that. i am using a yamaha stage custom and it sounds way better than that.

    • @StephenTaylorDrums
      @StephenTaylorDrums  3 года назад +1

      Yea, I'm selling it

    • @alexhill_79
      @alexhill_79 3 года назад +1

      @@StephenTaylorDrums ayyy Stephen! yeah selling it is a much better idea, lol.

  • @theinsanedrummer
    @theinsanedrummer 3 года назад +10

    *I LOVED EVERY SOUND AND WAS ENJOYING*
    *I LOVE DRUMS SO MUCH*

  • @maxadrums
    @maxadrums 3 года назад +1

    In the mix, surprisingly I probably preferred the cheap snare with the stock head, haha! Was not expecting that. But it's all about what fits.

  • @SD9Driver
    @SD9Driver 3 года назад +9

    I think "El Cheapo" held its own in the midrange, and sounded pretty decent in the mix. 👍 I honestly never owned a wooden Ludwig snare drum, so I don't have a strong opinion on them.

  • @fadeddave
    @fadeddave 3 года назад +1

    That picture you used at the start of all the gear is from Sunderland Music, my local drum shop ran by the legendary Willy Wright, it’s since moved premises but the new place is just as packed! Every pit of drum gear I own is from that shop. I couldn’t believe my eyes when it popped on the screen

  • @Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
    @Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 3 года назад +1

    Good comparison. Been thinking of going back to a wood snare 😂 still haven't yet, though. Love Ludwigs. My 14x7 or 8 seems to tune a bit _higher_ than the highest of my Pearl Black Beauty 13x3.5 piccolo.

  • @juliaamber3483
    @juliaamber3483 3 года назад +1

    I came over to watch your snare video after seeing David's. lol

  • @larrytate1657
    @larrytate1657 3 года назад +1

    Cranked high tension I wonder if you’d strip a lug out after a lil while with the 29 dollar snare.

  • @NelsonMontana1234
    @NelsonMontana1234 3 года назад

    A maple Ludwig snare with those lugs goes for $400.00 new. You got ripped off. And if you muffled the cheap one it'd sound better.

  • @blakealanfoster
    @blakealanfoster 3 года назад

    Cheaper snare sounded better. Dang.... People out there wasting a fuckload of money.

  • @remy333
    @remy333 3 года назад +1

    Mixing and tuning matters more than the price.
    NOW DO BELL BRASS!!!