its time for germeny to give up,,they are no supermens,,,hard working japanes people and chines are supermen,,you cant scare nobody anymore,,your boss is dead ,,usa
im just waitin for the moment,,when germany beated hungary in final switzerland ,,to someone give them back because it was a sold match ,,and all the players are died or shut there mouth,,not must be hungary,,but i enyoy waching japanese ,we where then the best of all and germany and goverment killed our soul,,on that worl cup,,and they where much worst team ,,go ahead japan
It's not just this one game against Japan - a massively underachieving German National Team has become almost a running joke in Germany since our 2014 World Championship. Löw hung on his position way, way too long and Flick unfortunately did not improve the situation one bit. A new spark is definitely needed.
What's really interesting is that the host and commentators are all talking about how bad Germany is. They probably only think that they lost to Japan, a team from a corner of Asia that doesn't even know football, because of a mistake in the head coach's direction. If this is still the image of Japan in Europe, Japan may never lose to Germany in the future.
Japan was strong. Japan started to focus on developing footballers about 20 years ago, and now it is starting to pay off. Many of the current Japanese youth players have great skills, and Japan will continue to get stronger and stronger.👍
The Japanese players are legit amazing players in their own league. Mitoma himself was basically trolling 95% EPL players and tearing apart EPL players and week in week out.
Germany helps a lot on Japanese players development. There was agreement with Germany football association that Japanese players can be brought to Germany more easily.
Tomiyasu plays for Arsenal, Endo plays for Liverpool, Mitoma plays for Brighton and is literally one of the best left wingers in the Premier League. They got a lot of talent this generation.
Why are people still pretending this is a surprise? Japan best Germany and Spain in the World Cup and went to penalties with Croatia. They are a world class team, period
@@jacobreichert836 We should change the rules a bit like boxing, for every ten minute a team is better they get one point. For example Germany would have got seven points, and Japan two for the 70-90 period, and then add these to the goals, that would be a more fair way to get the winner of a match.
All about Germany? How about we give Japan some credit? They were awesome to watch in Qatar - was so glad I had all 3 of their match day tickets, great to watch, worked and moved together as a squad.
Great game by Japan, but it is still shocking seeing a team with 4 time world cup titles to stoop this low!! Besides, most viewers are not familiar nor follow AFC. Not even I know much about AFC. My soccer IQ in regards to AFC is that I only know South Korea, Japan, and Australia as being the big 3 and the rest are scrubs.
Germany’s defeat to Japan isn’t all that crazy. Japan is beginning to close the talent gap with Europe and Germany simply don’t have the talent they had beforehand. A better coach is needed to manage the team, but the convo was too one sided, Japan deserves their flowers.
On paper Gerrmany is better, but thats it. Japan has amazing players who are a real team. the Germans have some top players who are unmotivated and coupled with bvb players.. So no it was no suprise at all. Japan❤
Japan was became better and better, their performance during the World Cup just proved it that they were not should being underestimated. Germany thinking that they can get their revenge by making this friendly match instead they got humiliated.. Congratulations to Japan 🙌🙌🔥🙌🙌 proud as an Asian. 🙌👌🙌😌👌👌👌
Yeah it ain't humiliating to lose to Japan. They are a top 10 team in the world. They beat Germany at the WC and now in this friendly so clearly it isn't a fluke. Their players are very good and their tactics are disarming. It is humiliating to lose to Malta or Andorra but saying it is humiliating to lose to Japan is certainly rude but also bordering on racist considering the quality of the Japanese team.
Honestly. They act like Endo, Mitoma, Kamada, Tomiyasu, Ueda, Ito, and Itakura are all just random Sunday league players and not top-class footballers playing at some of the biggest clubs in the world.
@@kingdaymon6433 he’s right. They’re racist. An African team or any team that actually has great players are automatically the underdog if they’re not from Europe or South America pretty much.
It's not racist to say Germany getting beaten by Japan is humiliating. With their reputation in football, Germany is expected to always be in top 5. . By the way Japan is ranked 20 not 10. Which is worse than Germany.
@@kkunited1 The magic word is "reputation". Based on everything we have seen for at least the last 2 years Japan is simply better than Germany right now.
Most of the Japanese players also play in the top 5 league and top clubs, those are top quality players. This Japanese team will be difficult to beat by any other team's
Tbf Germany's failings are so much larger than this one game and would still be fireable had this one game never happened. This team lost to North Macedonia so how good a very good Japan was (and they are) is in a way irrelevant to this specific conversation.
Archie starts by moaning that Flick is picking players who are Flicks favourites even if they are out of form and then tries to defend one of the most "out of form" players in Havertz just because "HE SCORED THE WINNING GOAL IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL" two years ago !!
He's not been bad for Germany! You just need a consistent team. I think Havertz even in his current form is better suited for International play. There aren't a lot of people better than him for us.
I think a big issue for Flick, was that he kept using some of the players out of position. Havertz, for example, is not a Striker. (Also why he didn’t work out at Chelsea.) Flick should also have known that Müller is no striker!!!Why did he play Sule and Schlotterbeck when they are out of form? Plus playing Schlotterbeck at left back… yikes! Playing Can who is also out of form, while Goretzka has picked up his form and played very well the last few games… many puzzling decisions!
In general, North American viewers have much more interest in Europe than in Asia. ESPN understands this. They're not trying to be globally fair. There's nothing in it for them, obviously.
Japan playing great the just not the story here though. The story is that Germany are falling apart. If it wasn't for the catastrophic result and the coach being sacked, they wouldn't have been mentioned this friendly.
@@clubeyxander5132 Not exactly. He's complaining about it. I think it's perfectly fine and normal. Asians don't care much about other places either. What's the big deal? Go watch a Japanese football video.
@@TT-fq7pl Wow, I wasn't expecting a confrontation... Besides the original comment wasn't meant to say North Americans should watch soccer/football outside of Europe, I think he/she was saying they could've given a few more seconds commenting on the winning side. And one thing you've got wrong, many Asian people know way too much about American and European sports, especially when you compare it to people of North America, and it's rather actually a problem. In any case, hope you have a nice day/night.
Shut the f up English fanatic fan. Go ask why Maguire play in the team. The whole German team did not do well specially defensive players. Japan should have scored 6-7 more goals
In my opinion, the reason national teams aren't performing as well as they used to is because players don't seem as proud or passionate about representing their countries anymore. I'm not talking about extreme political views, just that deep sense of pride in wearing their national jerseys. These days, it looks like players care more about their club teams than their national squads. This is especially noticeable with Germany. If you look back to the 1990s or even earlier, German players would give their all, showing immense passion and commitment. Fans could feel that connection. Unfortunately, that kind of passion doesn't seem as strong in today's game. Maybe it's due to changes in football itself or different tactics, but players also need to take some responsibility. Some of the current players don't seem to have that same burning desire. Perhaps they shouldn't be wearing their national jerseys if they can't ignite that old passion within themselves. And let's not forget to give credit to Japan, they played their game and deserved the win.
Japan just prove a point that their win against Germany in the last World Cup was not a one time win. Some of the Japan players played the 2nd half in the world cup, that turned the tide against Germany.😊😊😊
This is is sad to see but Germany has players have been lacking for a while. Havertz needs to be benched at Arsenal. And Japan needs to get the respect that they deserve. Their football has come a far way and I’m happy to see them destroying big teams. 💪🏿🔥🔥🔥
Mario Gotze also scored the winning goal for the World Cup final in 2014, yet he was also deemed to be not good enough. Scoring a goal in a single game doesn't make up anything.
@@DerDarkKnight Potential Vinicius had when he started but it took years for him to develop. Kai, is not that good. He's not a nine, he's a 10. Timo another German player who has potential but can't score a goal to save his life.
It's a different world. In 2023, Germany are less than 1 year removed from embarrassing themselves at the World Cup and just got put to the sword by a very good Japan. Also in 2023, today, Germany WINS the World Cup in basketball! Sports are incredible!
The basketball tournament has a lot of surprises. Aside from Germany, peoples consider Latvia and Canada as big surprises. They even beat France, another big favourites in this tournament.
Put some respect on Japans name, give them the credit they deserve too! Look what they did in the last World Cup, they have players now playing in the top leagues ..
Congrats to Japan. They’ve played the matches of their lives. Easily the best match in Japanese history. And their fans were FIRED UP for this friendly! A stark contrast to the German fans who seem to no really care. Hopefully Japan is also going to be able to play like this in tournament matches. But I am truly wondering why Flick choose such an experimental line up without many of the best and most experienced players of Germany and why he choose to play half his squad out of position. That makes zero sense considering his and Germany’s situation… They need positive moments right now. And I mean it can’t be that he underestimated Japan, after all many of the Japanese players and like all of their star players (including the goal scorers in this match) have been introduced to Europe by and in the Bundesliga first and were developed there before they were transferred to other clubs in Europe and many are actually still playing in Germany as of now… German coaches should be aware of the quality of Japanese players and that you should not be doing experiments in your match against them. Even when it is a friendly because as we know the Japanese are very nationalist people and they will give their all in every single match, does not matter if friendly or not. Maybe the Germans could and should learn from that attitude instead of playing such a half-ased match. Truly embarrassing for them.
@@BC-th3mx No, it definitely was not just practice. Japan brought all their best players and started them. This was supposed to be a statement match. As Japan, you don’t just practice against a football nation such as Germany. Especially not when you know that they outplayed you at the World Cup but unluckily and narrowly lost to Japan at the end and you know that they would like to have some sort of revenge. Germany did treat this match more of like a practice match: hence why they have played 2nd team players and many out of position while not even calling up some of their best players for the international break in the first place… you are distorting the facts.
@@Janitoro458 Germany weren’t unlucky to lose, they did very little, at best they deserved a draw. They were lucky not to lose Spain, who didn’t just outplay them but dominated. A weak team for nearly a decade now, nothing new
Honestly, I thought he was trolling when he mentioned the Champions League Final goal. Football is not just about individual goals in one off games, like does that need to be explained?
I don't think so, I think there's merit to the argument that many people overreact when a player scores a big goal in a CL final, has a big Euro or World Cup; the top performers always get massive offers to leave their clubs and regularly turn out to have just had a hot streak for a few matches. And Flick has kept playing Havertz no matter how bad he's been so clearly something convinced him to keep doing that; what it is we we can only guess I haven't heard Flick comment on it.
Humiliating....? I think those words can only come out if you still see Japan below Germany, and while you may have thought it was a fluke at the World Cup, you saw it in this game. Germany is completely below Japan now. They were really bad in this match, especially in DF. If a player from our country played like Rüdiger, he would be out of the national team in a heartbeat.
Credit to Robbo for being a voice of reason and integrity. Havertz has indeed been extremely poor and many objective Arsenal supporters are demanding that Arteta uphold standards and remove Havertz from the lineup immediately. Thank you Robbo for speaking the all too obvious, but uncomfortable truth in the service of Arsenal Football Club
I think it's rude to say humiliating just because you lost to an Asian country. Japan also won a landslide victory in the game with its skills and tactics, which can be seen from the game's content figures. As time goes by, the world's football gap is getting similar. The Western and global media should acknowledge this. Otherwise, we will be left out of the past and unable to move forward
Scored one goals in final dosen't justify haverzt inconsistent and low performance at Chelsea. I swear that guy on the far right screen got no ball knowledge
You must be a fool for thinking his stint in England is representative of his ability. Haavertz' strength is also his downfall. He can be shoehorned pretty much anywhere from right mid to striker. Bayer Leverkusen played him to great success in a number of roles. Don't be so quick to forget his game against Madrid in the semis either the year they won.
Japan has improved since the World Cup and Germany has gotten worse. This is an indisputable fact. Despite this, these guys don't watch the games and only talk about how bad the German team is, ignoring the good qualities of the Japanese team and arguing that it's insulting. They can continue to argue in vain like that for the rest of their lives.😂
In a game if two teams, the team that won the match was Japan in case anyone wondered lol. After Japan beat the German team in the last World Cup, the German federation sent someone to Japan to watch JFA to learn from the Japanese. Ironically, Bundesliga is natural path for most good J-league talent. Europeans should respect Asia football more, Japan, S.Korea and Australia are no longer pushovers…
Japan have become a top international side though. Look at their squad list. They also have a manager who knows how to adapt his system. The modern generation of Japanese players are technical, athletic and can think on their feet.
This entire panel still has not received the memo....Japan is a *very good team* who on their best days resembles Spain in their approach to the game. They can play a very attractive style of ⚽️. To put it another way, if it faced the 🇺🇸 10 times, the Blue Samurai probably beats the 🇺🇸 7 out of 10 times.
Anyone of the top teams (and Japan is one) still have small odds. If you look at betting figures before the start of a World cup even Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Germany and France never have better than a 1 in 4 chance. So the chance Japan has is slim, they’ll need a lot of luck. But yes - its possible.
Yes he scored in the CL final but at end of the day that was one match, an important match, but still only one match. Can't keep using that as a defence for his poor form over the last few seasons.
Playing Haavertz out of position for his entire PL career probably doesn't help your output. He isn't a striker, very much a system player if you want him to thrive, but can be shoehorned into other positions.
Nah you guys don't get it, it's way dumber to say he did nothing. Didn't he score the most goals for Chelsea the last few seasons or something like that goal contributions whatever. They've been terrible and pay a full squad worse than Havertz right now
@wasnloshier10 being a top goal contributor in a team that finished 12th isn't a flex. And I'm pretty sure the season before last, Mount had more goal contributions. But yeah havertz is still the GOAT 🤣🤣
@@walterg9321 I meant overall but it doesn't matter don't drag me into this. I'm just gonna tell you this looking big picture, the landscape, in all of football Havertz way closer to actually being the goat than having done nothing..
It made sense to sack flick but I would also say you cant really do much with this germany team no matter whos the coach... no world class striker no world class defenders, no actual left back and right back, having to move kimmich to right back when hes not comfortable there doesnt make it any easier and also players like havertz, werner, sule, we all thought theyd be better than what they showed when they were younger when we could see world class potential from all of them.
This is so true. Germany has top class players in some positions but that does not form a functioning team. You cant play Kroos Gundogan Kimmich Wirtz Musiala Sane in the same Squad..
They have failed to replace klose . Germany usually had good strikers leading the line . This is the first time I can remember that they aren’t any decent strikers available.
The criticisms for Germany have nothing to do with the game v Japan. Japan are a very good team. Germany have passengers. Havertz and Gundogan should not be playing
If it was not for Marc-André ter Stegen ,s saves ,That could have been like 7-8 Goals , Hansi Flick would have not been sacked ,Would have been hanged ,LOL
Just admit that japan isnt a B level team anymore. Did we all forget that japan beat Belgium 🇧🇪 and spain 🇪🇸 in the world cup and also it took a penalty shootout with Croatia 🇭🇷 to beat them because no one could it within the 120 minutes . Give japan there credit for doing germany 🇩🇪 dirty 👏
There's nothing humiliating about this. Japan has been a formidable side since the late 90s' to early 2000s'. They earned their respect at the 2002 WC and they've never looked back ever since. South Korea also did same. Have some respect for the Asian giants.
Humiliating? No it’s about hard work and giving credit. Germany was concerned with politics and not so much football and they are seeing the consequences
Why don’t you give credit to where credit is due? Japan played a great game. The show is a bit discriminatory against Asian teams. Remember, they beat Spain as well, and many of them play in European top clubs.
Japan was in a better place in the world cup compared to Germany and lets give credit to Japan first. This German team doesn't have the heart and pride of their nation to win and fight for the honor of their country though there is a lot of talent. That should be factored in during selection.
Japan used their skills and advantage to get a second win against Germany and not even an ounce of respect is truly attributed to them .... thats disrespectful to the Japanese players, coach and coaching staff..... Germany has wonderful players they were just outplayed and yes they weren't probably at their best
*How can you connect with a GERMANY team when more than half of its starters is genetically foreign?* *How connected are these foreign players to GERMANY when they never eve even once sang the national anthem?* Japan won because they have true japanish players with real japan genes, they formed a UNITY, because they are equal in EVERYTHING epecially culture
the fact that espn said losing to japan is humiliating is proof they these guys knows nothing about football, Japan is having the best generation right now, Kubo on the right and Mitoma on the left, these guys are on fire right now.
People tend to forget that for example Spain's great succes in the WC win 2010 was mainly due to Guardiola's Barcelona and Germany's WC win 2014 was also due to Guardiola's Bayern München. The squads were basically perfectly oiled all year long by Guardiola. It's quite normal that Spain fell off after he left Barcelona and Germany fell off after he left Bayern...
I'm a Madrid fan but that Barca team definitely won them that WC, anyone who argues against it is a partisan. The players, not the manager won Pep those titles. He hasn't had the same success at City winning CL like he did at Barca despite having over $1 billion in transfers.
@@rh81454 He just won it all again with ManCity lol. And how can you say that? Barça was 3rd in la Liga before Guardiola and won everything with him and never played a better football as soon as he arrived. He was the main reason why they all played until their max potential. Other coach's didn't even give Busquets a place in the squad. Those players played perfectly together, just like that Bayern team and 70% of them played for their country and won the WC when he was training them. It's no coincidence.
@@RS-G10 So no beef with him spending endless amounts of cash only for other teams to win more frequently the CL than City? My point is failed up until last season. EPL is a nice win, no doubt but he was brought in to win CL and it took over 1 billion euros to do that years later
The big under discussed issue here is that Germany's talent has dropped off. The pool of players is just not as good as it was during their great 2006 - 2016 stretch.
@@jacobreichert836 Even after a slight market correction since the pandemic happened, market values across Europe for the "top" players is still insanely inflated. So comparing market values now in 2023 to 2013 doesn't mean anything really. For example 2013 Marco Reus' market value was 30-40 million euros, 2013 Marco Reus in 2023 would have a market value of double that at least.
Why do people keep acting like Japan are underdogs. They consistently perform well in international tournaments. It wasn’t an upset. They are a better side than Germany.
Less than 30% of World Cup winners and less than 20% of Euro winners were the host nations. So no, you don't your best chance at a tournament as a host. Robson wrong again.
Losing to Japan is not humiliating...the manner of defeat and scoreline is a bit humiliating. They were toothless. The defense was very lacking.
its time for germeny to give up,,they are no supermens,,,hard working japanes people and chines are supermen,,you cant scare nobody anymore,,your boss is dead ,,usa
Agree however losing against Japan when you are Germany with a rich football history is still very bad.
im just waitin for the moment,,when germany beated hungary in final switzerland ,,to someone give them back because it was a sold match ,,and all the players are died or shut there mouth,,not must be hungary,,but i enyoy waching japanese ,we where then the best of all and germany and goverment killed our soul,,on that worl cup,,and they where much worst team ,,go ahead japan
It's not just this one game against Japan - a massively underachieving German National Team has become almost a running joke in Germany since our 2014 World Championship. Löw hung on his position way, way too long and Flick unfortunately did not improve the situation one bit. A new spark is definitely needed.
😅😅😅😅😅😅
What's really interesting is that the host and commentators are all talking about how bad Germany is.
They probably only think that they lost to Japan, a team from a corner of Asia that doesn't even know football, because of a mistake in the head coach's direction.
If this is still the image of Japan in Europe, Japan may never lose to Germany in the future.
Japan was strong.
Japan started to focus on developing footballers about 20 years ago, and now it is starting to pay off.
Many of the current Japanese youth players have great skills, and Japan will continue to get stronger and stronger.👍
The Japanese players are legit amazing players in their own league. Mitoma himself was basically trolling 95% EPL players and tearing apart EPL players and week in week out.
Germany helps a lot on Japanese players development. There was agreement with Germany football association that Japanese players can be brought to Germany more easily.
Mitoma went to university because he felt he hadn't learned enough about dribbling and playing football. That's dedication.
@@catchnkillall Asia really bad not strong but japan speciality
Tomiyasu plays for Arsenal, Endo plays for Liverpool, Mitoma plays for Brighton and is literally one of the best left wingers in the Premier League. They got a lot of talent this generation.
mitoma is generational
You forget Kubo the loanee from real madrid
You forget Kubo the loanee from real madrid who is also ex la Masia graduate
Why are people still pretending this is a surprise? Japan best Germany and Spain in the World Cup and went to penalties with Croatia. They are a world class team, period
Germany was better 70min at the world cup. Japan beat Spain by 1 Inch. Maybe dont overhype Japan, even if they are very likeable and nice guys.
@@jacobreichert836cope
Japan will also Out coach Southgate, England .
@@jacobreichert836 We should change the rules a bit like boxing, for every ten minute a team is better they get one point. For example Germany would have got seven points, and Japan two for the 70-90 period, and then add these to the goals, that would be a more fair way to get the winner of a match.
@@redshift8302sarcasm?
All about Germany? How about we give Japan some credit? They were awesome to watch in Qatar - was so glad I had all 3 of their match day tickets, great to watch, worked and moved together as a squad.
Came to say the same thing! Loved watching Japan in Qatar.
They won't do that cause they are biased in eroupe
Great game by Japan, but it is still shocking seeing a team with 4 time world cup titles to stoop this low!! Besides, most viewers are not familiar nor follow AFC. Not even I know much about AFC. My soccer IQ in regards to AFC is that I only know South Korea, Japan, and Australia as being the big 3 and the rest are scrubs.
The womens team is a delight to watch also
@@barcelona909Australia top 3 is very arguable. They did do well in World Cup but the results before that tournament was not very good lol….
One goal in one game doesn't make a great player, so I agree with Robo
Juliano Belleti scored a goal that decided a CL final for Barcelona. Most have forgotten him.
That was at least 2 years ago. I don't know why it is still relevant now
@@stefan5730
We still remember him but we don't say he is the best rb ever in Barca.
Should've asked Archie what happened to Mario Gotze since he scored the WC winning goal.
@@stefan5730 Or Andre Shurrle. He assisted the winner in WC 2014 Final. No one's ever said that he was a great player
Germany’s defeat to Japan isn’t all that crazy. Japan is beginning to close the talent gap with Europe and Germany simply don’t have the talent they had beforehand. A better coach is needed to manage the team, but the convo was too one sided, Japan deserves their flowers.
On paper Gerrmany is better, but thats it. Japan has amazing players who are a real team. the Germans have some top players who are unmotivated and coupled with bvb players.. So no it was no suprise at all. Japan❤
Japanese national team players playing all over Europe, with 4 or 5 in Bundesliga.
I'm a Chelsea fan but come on still talking about the champions league final goal that Havertz scored 😂
Chelsea saved Man Utd that season because Man City would’ve won the quadruple If Chelsea didn’t beat them.
Even origi score at cl final
you should keep talking about it cus it the last thing chelsea will win for a very long time.
@@drumagus2258 Keep dreaming
@@INTJ791origi is better than havertz FACT
Japan was became better and better, their performance during the World Cup just proved it that they were not should being underestimated. Germany thinking that they can get their revenge by making this friendly match instead they got humiliated.. Congratulations to Japan 🙌🙌🔥🙌🙌 proud as an Asian. 🙌👌🙌😌👌👌👌
Yeah it ain't humiliating to lose to Japan. They are a top 10 team in the world. They beat Germany at the WC and now in this friendly so clearly it isn't a fluke. Their players are very good and their tactics are disarming. It is humiliating to lose to Malta or Andorra but saying it is humiliating to lose to Japan is certainly rude but also bordering on racist considering the quality of the Japanese team.
Honestly. They act like Endo, Mitoma, Kamada, Tomiyasu, Ueda, Ito, and Itakura are all just random Sunday league players and not top-class footballers playing at some of the biggest clubs in the world.
How is it racist? Is being japanese a race?
@@kingdaymon6433 he’s right. They’re racist. An African team or any team that actually has great players are automatically the underdog if they’re not from Europe or South America pretty much.
It's not racist to say Germany getting beaten by Japan is humiliating. With their reputation in football, Germany is expected to always be in top 5. . By the way Japan is ranked 20 not 10. Which is worse than Germany.
@@kkunited1 The magic word is "reputation". Based on everything we have seen for at least the last 2 years Japan is simply better than Germany right now.
Most of the Japanese players also play in the top 5 league and top clubs, those are top quality players. This Japanese team will be difficult to beat by any other team's
Sure, but Germany has been average for 5 years when they should be doing much better. The performances have been toothless.
My boy Endo putting on a world class performance 🔥
Love to see it ❤
Showing caicedo how it’s done!😁
He's a proper leader.
and he throws himself at every tackle 😂
Top class mentality.
@@thomasyates616Mac Calister vs Bruno Guimaraes
Come on guys.. Why this embarrassing for Germany lost to Japan. Have you see how Japan play? They are a good team
Absolutely nothing said about Japan. Disgraceful. Give them their props.
Tbf Germany's failings are so much larger than this one game and would still be fireable had this one game never happened. This team lost to North Macedonia so how good a very good Japan was (and they are) is in a way irrelevant to this specific conversation.
Archie starts by moaning that Flick is picking players who are Flicks favourites even if they are out of form and then tries to defend one of the most "out of form" players in Havertz just because "HE SCORED THE WINNING GOAL IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL" two years ago !!
so did Divock Origi
He's not been bad for Germany! You just need a consistent team. I think Havertz even in his current form is better suited for International play. There aren't a lot of people better than him for us.
I think a big issue for Flick, was that he kept using some of the players out of position. Havertz, for example, is not a Striker. (Also why he didn’t work out at Chelsea.) Flick should also have known that Müller is no striker!!!Why did he play Sule and Schlotterbeck when they are out of form? Plus playing Schlotterbeck at left back… yikes! Playing Can who is also out of form, while Goretzka has picked up his form and played very well the last few games… many puzzling decisions!
I think he was trying to be funny but everybody took it seriously 😂
@@wasnloshier10 and this is why you will continue to lose
Thanks for not talking a second about Japan's accomplishments. Way to go, man!
This show is so euro-centric that they don't even bother talking about the Japanese team, despite having more than 5 German based player in their team
In general, North American viewers have much more interest in Europe than in Asia. ESPN understands this. They're not trying to be globally fair. There's nothing in it for them, obviously.
Japan playing great the just not the story here though. The story is that Germany are falling apart. If it wasn't for the catastrophic result and the coach being sacked, they wouldn't have been mentioned this friendly.
@@TT-fq7pl You're just making his point...
@@clubeyxander5132 Not exactly. He's complaining about it. I think it's perfectly fine and normal. Asians don't care much about other places either. What's the big deal? Go watch a Japanese football video.
@@TT-fq7pl Wow, I wasn't expecting a confrontation... Besides the original comment wasn't meant to say North Americans should watch soccer/football outside of Europe, I think he/she was saying they could've given a few more seconds commenting on the winning side. And one thing you've got wrong, many Asian people know way too much about American and European sports, especially when you compare it to people of North America, and it's rather actually a problem. In any case, hope you have a nice day/night.
Congrats to Japan, they deserve credit.
Look at that Germany lineup... did anyone really expect them to beat Japan with Havertz up top ?
Shut the f up English fanatic fan. Go ask why Maguire play in the team. The whole German team did not do well specially defensive players. Japan should have scored 6-7 more goals
In my opinion, the reason national teams aren't performing as well as they used to is because players don't seem as proud or passionate about representing their countries anymore. I'm not talking about extreme political views, just that deep sense of pride in wearing their national jerseys.
These days, it looks like players care more about their club teams than their national squads. This is especially noticeable with Germany. If you look back to the 1990s or even earlier, German players would give their all, showing immense passion and commitment. Fans could feel that connection.
Unfortunately, that kind of passion doesn't seem as strong in today's game. Maybe it's due to changes in football itself or different tactics, but players also need to take some responsibility. Some of the current players don't seem to have that same burning desire. Perhaps they shouldn't be wearing their national jerseys if they can't ignite that old passion within themselves.
And let's not forget to give credit to Japan, they played their game and deserved the win.
Japan just prove a point that their win against Germany in the last World Cup was not a one time win.
Some of the Japan players played the 2nd half in the world cup, that turned the tide against Germany.😊😊😊
This is is sad to see but Germany has players have been lacking for a while. Havertz needs to be benched at Arsenal. And Japan needs to get the respect that they deserve. Their football has come a far way and I’m happy to see them destroying big teams. 💪🏿🔥🔥🔥
Mario Gotze also scored the winning goal for the World Cup final in 2014, yet he was also deemed to be not good enough. Scoring a goal in a single game doesn't make up anything.
@@DerDarkKnight his imaginary potential?
@@DerDarkKnight Potential Vinicius had when he started but it took years for him to develop. Kai, is not that good. He's not a nine, he's a 10. Timo another German player who has potential but can't score a goal to save his life.
Thank you well said.
Japan is the strongest in Asia and Germany is no longer the 2014 team but a mere shadow of its former self.
Its time we put japan in one of top team in international football. Bluelock in progress😂
Archie is really clutching at straws if hes going to back Havertz with the champions league final goal. Glad Stu nailed him for it
He is just an apologist for a rubbish league.
@criticalthinking8982 i didn't hear him mention a league
@@trephixhis argument is based on him defending a player that’s a product of the German league numb nuts
@@trephix you don't watch the show often and you don't know who he is. I will give you the benefit of the doubt
It's a different world. In 2023, Germany are less than 1 year removed from embarrassing themselves at the World Cup and just got put to the sword by a very good Japan. Also in 2023, today, Germany WINS the World Cup in basketball! Sports are incredible!
The basketball tournament has a lot of surprises. Aside from Germany, peoples consider Latvia and Canada as big surprises. They even beat France, another big favourites in this tournament.
Put some respect on Japans name, give them the credit they deserve too! Look what they did in the last World Cup, they have players now playing in the top leagues ..
Congrats to Japan. They’ve played the matches of their lives. Easily the best match in Japanese history. And their fans were FIRED UP for this friendly! A stark contrast to the German fans who seem to no really care. Hopefully Japan is also going to be able to play like this in tournament matches. But I am truly wondering why Flick choose such an experimental line up without many of the best and most experienced players of Germany and why he choose to play half his squad out of position. That makes zero sense considering his and Germany’s situation… They need positive moments right now. And I mean it can’t be that he underestimated Japan, after all many of the Japanese players and like all of their star players (including the goal scorers in this match) have been introduced to Europe by and in the Bundesliga first and were developed there before they were transferred to other clubs in Europe and many are actually still playing in Germany as of now… German coaches should be aware of the quality of Japanese players and that you should not be doing experiments in your match against them. Even when it is a friendly because as we know the Japanese are very nationalist people and they will give their all in every single match, does not matter if friendly or not. Maybe the Germans could and should learn from that attitude instead of playing such a half-ased match. Truly embarrassing for them.
Japan beat them in the most important game they’ve played, at the World Cup. This was just practice for the upcoming Asian Cup
格下相手に勝ったのが日本史上1番は笑う
@@BC-th3mx No, it definitely was not just practice. Japan brought all their best players and started them. This was supposed to be a statement match. As Japan, you don’t just practice against a football nation such as Germany. Especially not when you know that they outplayed you at the World Cup but unluckily and narrowly lost to Japan at the end and you know that they would like to have some sort of revenge. Germany did treat this match more of like a practice match: hence why they have played 2nd team players and many out of position while not even calling up some of their best players for the international break in the first place… you are distorting the facts.
@@Janitoro458 Germany weren’t unlucky to lose, they did very little, at best they deserved a draw. They were lucky not to lose Spain, who didn’t just outplay them but dominated. A weak team for nearly a decade now, nothing new
@@BC-th3mx Ridiculous. Rewatch the games or take a look at the stats again and then come back and admit you have been incorrect with that statement..
Honestly, I thought he was trolling when he mentioned the Champions League Final goal. Football is not
just about individual goals in one off games, like does that need to be explained?
Arsenal used a goal in the ucl final to justify spending 70m on the german james charles
Juliano Belleti scored a goal that decided a CL final for Barcelona. Most have forgotten him.
Exactly how stupid is he!?
I don't think so, I think there's merit to the argument that many people overreact when a player scores a big goal in a CL final, has a big Euro or World Cup; the top performers always get massive offers to leave their clubs and regularly turn out to have just had a hot streak for a few matches.
And Flick has kept playing Havertz no matter how bad he's been so clearly something convinced him to keep doing that; what it is we we can only guess I haven't heard Flick comment on it.
Humiliating....? I think those words can only come out if you still see Japan below Germany, and while you may have thought it was a fluke at the World Cup, you saw it in this game. Germany is completely below Japan now. They were really bad in this match, especially in DF. If a player from our country played like Rüdiger, he would be out of the national team in a heartbeat.
Credit to Robbo for being a voice of reason and integrity. Havertz has indeed been extremely poor and many objective Arsenal supporters are demanding that Arteta uphold standards and remove Havertz from the lineup immediately. Thank you Robbo for speaking the all too obvious, but uncomfortable truth in the service of Arsenal Football Club
I think it's rude to say humiliating just because you lost to an Asian country. Japan also won a landslide victory in the game with its skills and tactics, which can be seen from the game's content figures. As time goes by, the world's football gap is getting similar. The Western and global media should acknowledge this. Otherwise, we will be left out of the past and unable to move forward
japan King Asia Now world soccer rank🇯🇵10～15
That's right.
I knew n was fearing tis was gonna happen .... But Hands Off of Jurgen 💯 ..
Humiliating? Japan are a really good team!
yes humiliating japan can't campared by germany
It is humiliating no matter who they play losing 4:1 is very bad for Germany.
Japan will continue to break the new records 😤🇯🇵
Maybe if he says 10 more times in a row that Havertz scored a goal in the final that will add another 50 goals to Havertz total at Chelsea???
How much more do you need in an argument against someone who claimed a player did nothing. He didn't say anything reasonable to begin with
@@wasnloshier10Juliano Belleti scored a goal that decided a CL final for Barcelona. Most have forgotten him.
@@stefan5730 yeah? And if I said that guy didnothing in his career and you told me that, Iwould be an idiot
Japan is a great team! This generation is very good!
Japan over played Germany
Endo and tomayuzu had very good game
Scored one goals in final dosen't justify haverzt inconsistent and low performance at Chelsea. I swear that guy on the far right screen got no ball knowledge
archie is a clown defending havertz just bc he scored a goal in that final, hes been terrible in england
That's exactly what I'm saying. He sounds like those guys on Twitter.
Juliano Belleti scored a goal that decided a CL final for Barcelona. Most have forgotten him.
You must be a fool for thinking his stint in England is representative of his ability. Haavertz' strength is also his downfall. He can be shoehorned pretty much anywhere from right mid to striker. Bayer Leverkusen played him to great success in a number of roles. Don't be so quick to forget his game against Madrid in the semis either the year they won.
Even the top scorer in the Scottish league is the B team. Japan has a fairly thick player base.
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Japan has improved since the World Cup and Germany has gotten worse. This is an indisputable fact. Despite this, these guys don't watch the games and only talk about how bad the German team is, ignoring the good qualities of the Japanese team and arguing that it's insulting. They can continue to argue in vain like that for the rest of their lives.😂
That Tutt bloke did a great job of demonstrating his opinions are utter tosh.
In a game if two teams, the team that won the match was Japan in case anyone wondered lol. After Japan beat the German team in the last World Cup, the German federation sent someone to Japan to watch JFA to learn from the Japanese. Ironically, Bundesliga is natural path for most good J-league talent. Europeans should respect Asia football more, Japan, S.Korea and Australia are no longer pushovers…
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Japan have become a top international side though. Look at their squad list. They also have a manager who knows how to adapt his system.
The modern generation of Japanese players are technical, athletic and can think on their feet.
This entire panel still has not received the memo....Japan is a *very good team* who on their best days resembles Spain in their approach to the game. They can play a very attractive style of ⚽️. To put it another way, if it faced the 🇺🇸 10 times, the Blue Samurai probably beats the 🇺🇸 7 out of 10 times.
this was fire! Great passions and debate haha!
Japan has the potential to win the the World Cup one day
I love japanese people but no
@@meiinuyashait's possible in 2038, 2050 or later
@@INTJ791really Japan has become a top team all these big national team will pay by down playing a amazing team
Anyone of the top teams (and Japan is one) still have small odds. If you look at betting figures before the start of a World cup even Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Germany and France never have better than a 1 in 4 chance. So the chance Japan has is slim, they’ll need a lot of luck. But yes - its possible.
Asia as a whole has become better since 2018, I don't know about winning but I can certainly see one reaching a semis
This coverage is disrespectful to Japan.
Give Japan the credit they deserve
Stu.robson analysis is excellent. He watches football as a coach. Its refreshing.
100%
Hansi flick messed up big time by playing Kimmich inverted rb with mitoma. Even pep wouldn’t do that.
Mount and Havertz have milked that Champions League goal until the corpse is a shriven pile of dust.
@@RussingtonS4678Juliano Belleti scored a goal that decided a CL final for Barcelona. Most have forgotten him.
@@aryan.4855yeah he fucked up big time but either way japan was gonna spank them either way cause ito was also cooking
Yes he scored in the CL final but at end of the day that was one match, an important match, but still only one match. Can't keep using that as a defence for his poor form over the last few seasons.
😂 he was joking
Give a man a reputation as an early riser, and he can sleep till noon.
Cant believe you guys didnt even talk about Japan.
Klopp has always honored his contracts, Archie here is dreaming.
Klopp is more likely to manage England and has mentioned he would be open to it because he knows England have far better players.
Funny thing about money... apparently it talks.
@@Delboy0 Without a doubt at the moment England has better players than Germany.
@@AchtungBaby77 It does but in Klopps case he has never left mid-contract from any job in his entire career.
@@alexischristou3266 There's a first time for everything 😄
Playing Haavertz out of position for his entire PL career probably doesn't help your output. He isn't a striker, very much a system player if you want him to thrive, but can be shoehorned into other positions.
But you don’t understand he scores a tap in to a wide open goal 3 years ago! 😂
You just don't understand, he did one relevant thing in the last 3 years... he's the GOAT 😂😂
Nah you guys don't get it, it's way dumber to say he did nothing. Didn't he score the most goals for Chelsea the last few seasons or something like that goal contributions whatever. They've been terrible and pay a full squad worse than Havertz right now
@wasnloshier10 being a top goal contributor in a team that finished 12th isn't a flex. And I'm pretty sure the season before last, Mount had more goal contributions. But yeah havertz is still the GOAT 🤣🤣
Juliano Belleti scored a goal that decided a CL final for Barcelona. Most have forgotten him.
@@walterg9321 I meant overall but it doesn't matter don't drag me into this. I'm just gonna tell you this looking big picture, the landscape, in all of football Havertz way closer to actually being the goat than having done nothing..
Japanese players are technically one of the best in the world.. they are getting better and better.. so this is not that surprising
It made sense to sack flick but I would also say you cant really do much with this germany team no matter whos the coach... no world class striker no world class defenders, no actual left back and right back, having to move kimmich to right back when hes not comfortable there doesnt make it any easier and also players like havertz, werner, sule, we all thought theyd be better than what they showed when they were younger when we could see world class potential from all of them.
This is so true. Germany has top class players in some positions but that does not form a functioning team. You cant play Kroos Gundogan Kimmich Wirtz Musiala Sane in the same Squad..
Tf is Archie smoking today
That was sooo cringe lmaooo
They have failed to replace klose . Germany usually had good strikers leading the line . This is the first time I can remember that they aren’t any decent strikers available.
The criticisms for Germany have nothing to do with the game v Japan. Japan are a very good team. Germany have passengers. Havertz and Gundogan should not be playing
If it was not for Marc-André ter Stegen ,s saves ,That could have been like 7-8 Goals , Hansi Flick would have not been sacked ,Would have been hanged ,LOL
Japan beat Germany 7-1 and Brazillian fans reacted more aggressively because it's a pay back for 2014 World Cup.
Just admit that japan isnt a B level team anymore. Did we all forget that japan beat Belgium 🇧🇪 and spain 🇪🇸 in the world cup and also it took a penalty shootout with Croatia 🇭🇷 to beat them because no one could it within the 120 minutes .
Give japan there credit for doing germany 🇩🇪 dirty 👏
En el mundial de Catar 2022, Japón nunca se enfrentó a Bélgica.
Marruecos se enfrentó a Bélgica.
There's nothing humiliating about this. Japan has been a formidable side since the late 90s' to early 2000s'. They earned their respect at the 2002 WC and they've never looked back ever since. South Korea also did same. Have some respect for the Asian giants.
Now🇩🇪＆🇯🇵 world soccer rank groupB rank10～15
I bet even England will having hard time against Japan
Japan is an amazing team, both men’s and women’s. I understand the German team has issues. But it’s not a debacle.
Defeat might be humiliating but Japan was fearce and lethal. Japan looked comparable to EUropean and South American heavy weights.
Humiliating? No it’s about hard work and giving credit. Germany was concerned with politics and not so much football and they are seeing the consequences
Havartz goal in the UCL final was the ugliest goal in history🤏
True.
Now we're just saying things i guess to try and drag the guy down even further than we already have
Why don’t you give credit to where credit is due? Japan played a great game. The show is a bit discriminatory against Asian teams. Remember, they beat Spain as well, and many of them play in European top clubs.
People act like International coaching is easier than Club coaching, but this proves that it isnt.
they still talk down to the japanese saying is a humilliation, the japanese just have a better team plain and simple. History doesn't play football.
Japan was in a better place in the world cup compared to Germany and lets give credit to Japan first. This German team doesn't have the heart and pride of their nation to win and fight for the honor of their country though there is a lot of talent. That should be factored in during selection.
Japan used their skills and advantage to get a second win against Germany and not even an ounce of respect is truly attributed to them .... thats disrespectful to the Japanese players, coach and coaching staff..... Germany has wonderful players they were just outplayed and yes they weren't probably at their best
*How can you connect with a GERMANY team when more than half of its starters is genetically foreign?*
*How connected are these foreign players to GERMANY when they never eve even once sang the national anthem?*
Japan won because they have true japanish players with real japan genes, they formed a UNITY, because they are equal in EVERYTHING epecially culture
Now 🇩🇪 African Turkey German team
These People need to accept that japanese football is improving and growing. And catching up.
the fact that espn said losing to japan is humiliating is proof they these guys knows nothing about football, Japan is having the best generation right now, Kubo on the right and Mitoma on the left, these guys are on fire right now.
Japan NT is of quality!😊
Germany NT was toothless....their arrogance since Qatar.......😂😂😂
😂😂 Wonder what Kroos have to say about the squad?????
People tend to forget that for example Spain's great succes in the WC win 2010 was mainly due to Guardiola's Barcelona and Germany's WC win 2014 was also due to Guardiola's Bayern München. The squads were basically perfectly oiled all year long by Guardiola.
It's quite normal that Spain fell off after he left Barcelona and Germany fell off after he left Bayern...
I'm a Madrid fan but that Barca team definitely won them that WC, anyone who argues against it is a partisan. The players, not the manager won Pep those titles. He hasn't had the same success at City winning CL like he did at Barca despite having over $1 billion in transfers.
@@rh81454 He just won it all again with ManCity lol. And how can you say that? Barça was 3rd in la Liga before Guardiola and won everything with him and never played a better football as soon as he arrived. He was the main reason why they all played until their max potential. Other coach's didn't even give Busquets a place in the squad. Those players played perfectly together, just like that Bayern team and 70% of them played for their country and won the WC when he was training them. It's no coincidence.
@@RS-G10 So no beef with him spending endless amounts of cash only for other teams to win more frequently the CL than City? My point is failed up until last season. EPL is a nice win, no doubt but he was brought in to win CL and it took over 1 billion euros to do that years later
The big under discussed issue here is that Germany's talent has dropped off. The pool of players is just not as good as it was during their great 2006 - 2016 stretch.
Well said 👍
The result of choosing Nigerians and Turks over ethnic Germans.
Even if true, compare the market value of these squads..
@@hamzanocapTurkzil and Blackateng were central pieces of the WC winning squad. Maybe try again..
@@jacobreichert836 Even after a slight market correction since the pandemic happened, market values across Europe for the "top" players is still insanely inflated. So comparing market values now in 2023 to 2013 doesn't mean anything really. For example 2013 Marco Reus' market value was 30-40 million euros, 2013 Marco Reus in 2023 would have a market value of double that at least.
Please give Japan some credit, especially their attackers. Their squad has a nice mix of young and mature players
Well deserved victory for Japan
After hearing him defend Havertz I couldn't take seriously anything else he said ..
yup, pretty much won't watch anything Archie is on, what a horrible takes on this video.
Germany’s biggest problem is that they weren’t really able to replace Miroslav Klose. They miss a clinical striker.
Humiliating?
These people on the screen haven't been able to update their minds.
As someone who deals with news, this is fatal.
Robson didn't initially say Havertz wasn't good enough. He said Havertz hadn't done anything for Chelsea. So Rhind's response was correct.
Blue Lock is real ⚽️🇯🇵
German hubris. How is losing to Japan humiliating?
It's not like Germany lost to Madagascar. Give me a break. 🙄
Nigelsmann was in every competition before his sack..
The German defense is awful. Sule, schlotterbeck, and Rudiger don’t play well together
Why do people keep acting like Japan are underdogs. They consistently perform well in international tournaments. It wasn’t an upset. They are a better side than Germany.
Germany also need to get rid of Gnabry,Havertz, Can and Rudiger if they want to save Deutsch fussball in Euro next year.⚠️
Let's be honest, Germany would love to hire Klopp as the national manager.
Why is Archie surprised that the guys don't fancy Havertz? He clearly hasn't watched the show lately, I wish Burley was on 😀
Less than 30% of World Cup winners and less than 20% of Euro winners were the host nations. So no, you don't your best chance at a tournament as a host. Robson wrong again.
Respect Japan you fools they are very strong
Moriyasu has a Death Note!
😂😂😂
What did he smoke?, what a random goal 2 years ago has to do with Havertz being a terrible player for a long while?, Can I also be a pundit?
Give credit to Japan u donuts, they have been improving after what we saw in WC 2018.