This Blademaster is so STACKED! He's going to need it against SONIK! - WC3
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Oh damn, we're meeting Sonik on the W3C ladder! Sonik is a very good Ukrainian Night Elf player who has consistently achieved high ranks! Luckily, my Blademaster is having a pretty good RNG in this game!
This Blademaster is so STACKED! He's going to need it against SONIK! (Game played on 17-June-2024)
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Hes just saying that youre his king and hed do whatever you ask of him. Even uninstall Wc3
Yes it is respect
He's his Boromir
Yes, that is indeed how we, Slavs, operate in regards to our master and sensei Grub
The base layout + all the blocking done on the DH were beautiful at the beginning.
Infi loses 0-5 to Colorful yesterday, and Focus loses 1-4 to Kaho. Something is telling me there is indeed a problem with balance, but NE players would probably disagree and ask for another moon well buff
How did infi lose? Blood Mage seemed so strong against Kaho
@@yedigemagavin1694 Infi is playing orc
Of course they will buff. Infinite healing is what Blizzard wants. Guys, just imagine if Happy plays as a NE...
This infinite and freeeeeeeeee! healing potings is toooo OP. Just the fact that is a perpetual and free potion of heal and mana is Imba. Course that NE players disagrees.
Well they had witch doctor buff like yesterday so NE is at least not the only one who has healing I think
@@ИгорьСеминога oh, dude, comparison Impossible.
Bruh the tele deny at 15:18
Don’t get it. You out played him. Killed his expo and his hero multiple times and he still comes back. NE is rigged with the wells.
i cant believe he lost with that early advantage
There's more than a few rallied orc units ambushed in the mid game, I think that's where a lot of the momentum was lost
One reason why wc3 is a great game...
All of a sudden sonik just had like 15 dryads
Bober wouldn't need any items (or heroes/units for that matter) in order to win this game 🏆
We had such a good start and still lost :/ IMBA NE!
The bronze hero himself subbed to the grub 18:53
I came looking for this comment lol
its the LEGEND himself
That kodo eating the dryad that dh was staffing was hilarious, I can't believe grubby didn't react 😂
FOUR hero kills and still a loss. Huh.
Four hero kills AND an expo kill right when it is just finished. Unfortunately, you need more than that against NE
I am playing in really low elo but what I found out, me orc vs ne is they are always ready for a comeback I feel like once I lose a battle it's over but they don't stop and always come back full health a few seconds later.
@@kevin-7091 What are you talking about, there orcs on w3 champions who play at 1900 with 80 apm. orc is THE easiest race to play, basically most orc players is the ones who get slapped on every other race.
19:30 See, you *do* sometimes expand with towers :)
Technically he never expanded so it doesn't count.
11:48 He hides all his wisps to the right, is it worth the time to hunt them down? In hindsight, it might have made the difference, what do you think?
Workers are not as precious later in mid game. I don't think it is worth surrendering the map control, especially since wisps can detonate to deny xp and drain mana
Wouldn't a single tower here would be more optimal in this situation? After all, you are still using money by wasting peon's time on defending. Also, you are risking them and you can screw up and let them die. A tower has a ton of DPS and it just counters it hard his strategy which allows you to do what you want while he wastes a talent point and time going to your base.
I think Grubby really loves microing and considered he could save the gold & space needed for the tower.
I mean dryad are cheap.u play pretty bad on this one lots bad judgement call.
You should try winning a game without HP bars showing. I think it would be interesting
Teleport is just a game changer for the elf. You can literally see the tables turn in the game as soon as NE starts teleporting Demon back to base to replenish HP.
The keyboard and mouse clicks are very loud, they drown out the game sounds and your voice. Idk if that's by choice, but I'd like to hear game sounds then voice then clicks. Might just be me. Fun video though my dude
Guys anybody knows the name of soundtrack starting at 16:24 ? Cant find it anywhere😢
Hi Grubby, i’m a huge warcraft3 fan. But problem is i’m à real noob. I can’t even beat the normal computer… i don’t to know what to focus on to improve. I love to play the Warden as an elf player. I don’t realy know the good build order. I’ve got a poor macro and my micro isn’t realy well. I realy want to improve ! Thanks for All your content, you are doing an amazing job !
Woah such a nice move to devour the unit he wanted to teleport xD
I know that you clicked the devour and selected the unit already before the tely came up, but still just such a nice coincidence to watch.
That slow Kodo was just at the right place at the right time, came in really handy. A pity the map isn't bigger so this would have mattered more :D
Also that influx of dryads to that same long ongoing fight is something different.
He really lost some advantage when he did that bad TP bargain attacking into your base with reinforced burrows while you had a free go at his expo with raiders.
I wondered however how you would fare with 1-2 demolishers to target groups of dryads or ensnared ones.
Great job by him for keeping that pressure up so much although he got beat quite a few times.
It's incredible how much of the game rested on the DH's levels. If you had managed to kill him a third time when you killed the KotG maybe it would've been GG but once it got to level 4 it was just too hard (particularly once retech'd to Mana Burn).
that's ridiculous. Facetanking a whole base because tp back home and do it again while burning everything.
And then several near army wipes???? Come on....
25:00 your head is detached from your body.
Yooo... big fan idol... watching ya upload first thing in the morning is satisfying 😊
You tend to spend a lot of energy and time on fights. You keep macroing low HP units from danger and then again into battle. For me it seems that they cannot contribute much into a fight. I personally would cycle them back to base. Is there a reason why you are so aggressive in a fight? When you started fighting him on a map, I would had retreated multiple times to heal up. Grubby however seems to do or die fighting. Even in fights which for me seemed he didn't had the advantage or was even at disadvantage.
"Bratan" is a Russian word, which means "bro". But it can mean not what it intended in context of current armed conflict. Sonik is ukrainian and saying to him Russian word can be interpreted not quite well. Mb ask him next time ukrainian analogue for this word
Yah Mooroon! 😂 You are hes Idol, he just told You 2 times, " 4K. grubby is hes king"., and You didn't get it, 😂
that dh was a prick... grubby fought some fights he should have backed out of but overall outplayed. sonik + creeps in too many situations.
I was thinking if Grubby was so sure Sonik would do the Immolation harass, why not build his first burrow next to the gold line? He managed the harass but it would be even better if peons could just run straight into burrow when hurt
idk why grubby so reluctant to expands, i mean enemy didnt harass him early, y dont expand ?
Wild how well Grubby played, but just goes to show you a couple mistakes and not scouting expo will loose you the game.
You should have expanded too. Idk why you didnt even
Dude why don’t you play in back2warcraft tournaments?
Retrain to snakes would be brutal for that dryads.
Thats the first time I actually saw you tap out. You are human after all? :O
it would be amazing if you add a clipshowing keyboard hetkeys
NE is tough!
I actually thought Grubby had the game in the bag :|
I'm more of an RTS WargameRD player, but I could tell that leaving that fort in his expo to be destroyed was the losing condition
It's easy for me to analyze as a viewer ofc, but still Grub had an upper hand at that point
GG tho
Truly
WAS it possible to swap to serpent ward here to win ?
Как ты мог проиграть на основной расе, будучи профессионалом?
He built lumber mill so far that they turn it into hall. He does the things he makes fun of bronze for all the time
Why not get headhunters or demolishers
Switch from hex to serpent ward and focus on piercing siege damage which dryads are weak against?
Everything that does well vs. dryads gets obliterated by demon hunter, his only chance to win would've been to secure an expansion or tower the NE base at the perfect window of timing when he still had an early game advantage. Once NE has access to Teleport to base & Back with the demonhunter, if the Orc doesn't cement a huge lead before that, the power spike will make the night elf win (as happened in this game)
love you grubby, I don't really understand why people go mirror image now though it doesn't seem as good as the movement speed (and damage) bonus you get from a higher level windwalk. Like this game the demon hunter would have no chance of escaping with a level 2 windwalk
Good against entangle.
It's free scouting but it can also remove magic effects such as roots from keeper
Good for creeping
Strange that he picked critical strike at level 3, when he has wind walk level 1 he picks wind walk level 2 at level 3, I don't get he would prefer critical strike here
Good for early creeping + scout, and good for escaping entangle later in the game while still maintaining its ability to scout and tank.
It is usually better for early game at the cost of worse late game, both are viable
Wouldn't berserkers absolutely murder the dryads?
Zerkers are very difficult to transition to. Need lots of upgrades, build time and TC
I love sonik he's such a nice guy
im newbie here. which race has less micro? caz im pretty bad at focusfire.
probly orc
just go grunt bloodlust
NE with mass archers / dryads requires very little thinking and macro. It is also the most forgiving race due to moon wells and staff
@@yuku6921
Grunts take a lot of micro not to feed your opponent at low lvl, and are useless if he masses air.
Human is less micro, I think. Knights and breakers and priests = easy.
In general I would say humans they need alot of macro but like 90% of their unit spells feel like auto cast but you handle alot of small health units early they feel disposable.
Orc has alot of spells to click if you don't go mass headhunters
For nelf you have to learn a weird play style early with ancient of war and being pressured in your base as nelf feels intimidating and hopeless.
With undead you don't need much speed early since the base kinda builds its own you only have 5 workers and just one builds everything. Ghouls are woodcarrier but also feel nice to clear early camps with.
Everything I say is a noob bronze perspective
Human, just play Archmage then rifle + priests + sorcs. Pretty much A-move everything. Of course you'll still lose to players with good micro, but it's pretty much the least demanding army you could every have.
Cant belive this game still going i used to play it alot
Headhunters vs dryads would work ?
That thumbnail reminded me of Apex Legends. Bloodhound was one of my favorite characters and go to characters during high levels of competition depending on patches. I dont play it anymore. A Bloodhound quote I liked, " Everyday is a new victory ". The constant state of " hunting " and being " hunted " while playing that game for 8,9,10+ hours a day for years did a number. Easily healed. I like Sonik. Reminds me of Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic the Hedgehog on the Sega Genesis 🎮💙.
Hey Grubby, I'm wondering if you can do a video or just commentary explaining army compositions such as the choice for certain units on both sides. I get having a generally mixed army but idk the specifics of why certain inclusions and exclusions, why certain units are trained more and others not.
basetrade underrated with raiders
Sonik barrier GEESUZ xdxd
would a demolisher have helped?
Think the key would had been to hold on his east flank after the 1st expo kill. And press from onto him from there once the shop and tower were up. Still fantastic match, love to see you go into these more serious battles. Keep up the great content Grubby! :)
He has a specific humor, he's joking that if you want he will delete the wc3 and stop playing cause he respects you so much 🙂
At 1:50 a much better 90s reference would've been Seinfeld, when Jerry has to wear the puffy shirt because he didn't know what he was agreeing to.
Are there many players on asia for warcraft 3 classic multiplayer. I want to play this but dont know if i can get queue
gg
Grubby lost at 14:00.
i understand soni
9:33 that dryad sitting in a net whilst Blademaster comes out of know where for the kill is stuff of nightmares! Ha
This game came up on my feed like 5 times, I'm glad I decided to watch
i play like sonik
Arent headhunters counter to dryads tgt with raiders? Why didnt make even one hunter?
why does appear a star on top of the raider at 11:21
good question
It means that unit is taking damage from thorns aura.
when grubby is fully focused his face looks a bit "orcish"
Countering dryads with raiders is fun, but you need to have a lot of them. It is much easier to counter with headhunters - they, like raiders, are a natural antidote in terms of armor/damage types, but are not so vulnerable to knitting.
Dryads are the lousiest of all formally "combat" units. They have barely 2 food stats for a 3 food unit. I think unupgraded dryad can lose to the level 2 serpent ward. If you don’t expose your army to dryads strengths and tricks, if you make meaningless their knitting and dispell, then dryads almost useless on the battlefield.
That's just it - with the demon hunter to tank, super easy transition to bears at any point since they share production /upgrades with dryad, huge movespeed of dryad combined with slow poison, staff for additional saves, you can not "make meaningless" the advantages night elf brings to the open battlefield. if you are not able to use early game tempo to secure a lead, you are lost. This large mid-game advantage Night Elf has requires no detailed analysis, it's available in plain sight. Grubby played very well, getting multiple hero kills on the opponent early and killing the expansion right after it was built. If you put Grubby in that same scenario against any Orc or Human player, the game is simply over. Did Grubby still have some chances to win? Yes - but the fact that the path to win is so narrow even with good play is perhaps indicating a slight problem in design
could you wanna try far seer + FL against sonik?
He saw grubbys wind rider videos so he was scared and went mass dryads :D
Sonik so wholesome saying he's rank 1 for you
@15:19 you ate the dryad where he was teleporting 🤣🤣🤣
Bruh that fight in the middle lasted for ages. gg
Mirror image does damage?
Yes
So is mass dryads that strong? I am noob i dont know yet.
They slow you down, deal poison damage, and make investing in magic pointless. But they can be crushed if you move your mindset closer to StarCraft... Or even Red Alert. Build a large army of range units and crush them. Their tricks are meaningless if you don't play any tricks yourself.
They are a very cost effective unit unless the enemy has plenty of piercing or siege damage to respond. Magic immune is also a nice bonus, they are very versatile and you can't really go wrong with them, especially vs Orc who is more into beefy melee units. Raiders can be a good counter to them if massed in proper amount, but they are not that easy units to use. Dryads you just A-click, try to kite and make sure you don't get bombed by mortar teams or something like that.
Also NE has staff of preservation to save units/heroes for moonwell healing, I feel that also made a big difference that DH could come back in a couple of seconds with full health bar.
It also seems that NE economy started to take over Grubby. DH and Keeper died a couple of times and expansion got destroyed, but Sonik eventually managed to rebuild it. To be fair he played the matchup well, so my post is not just a straight "NE is imba".
@@dima1353 thank you
@@masterexploder9668 thx for the answer
INSANE MATCH
Going back to the advice Razermoon gave you to make an expo at 40ish pop.
You have maybe a small power spike.
Towers can really save you against those dryads.
And then with raiders you can lame down his expo. That's the advantage you have.
Otherwise against someone who can staff his heroes and moon juice them.
How do you win several fights in a row to wear them down?
You don't.
Or this 10:33
Take out his expo and expand with towers.
+ 12:17 pillage.
Seems basic, but I do think a forward tower or two once fortified defenses is researched would have done a lot of good for Grubbys defensive options, either to zone out dryads and fish for ensnares in range, or to stall while orc army hits the lores, maybe even goes for Tree
@@ambion19 Right. Grubby got a bit unlucky his forward outpost was destroyed there with tower and shop.
That is an option. Situational maybe and depending on how well the fight goes, but I am leaning towards get the expo.
Night elf comes back fully drunk on moon juice.
BUT they cannot break your towers.
The forward base is too close.
Tower + raider and pillage.
Chop up the moonwells, the expo.
What is NE going to do? Build glaives?
@@MWcrazyhorse agreed, mass dryad, DH into kotg is a good open field army, and comes with a lot of options to control the opponent - speed, mana, & buffs. So they're a hard army to fight into when you're doing a raider build. But dryads can't kill fortified armour well at all, so why fight the enemy where they are effective. Speed scrolls and town portals are worth getting moonwells killed, especially if pillage is helping recoup the hit and run costs. Even if you can't do hard damage, forcing the elf on base defense opens up orc's opportunity to expand with less threat
@@ambion19 Exactly! It combines well with your own expo.
Grubby hit the perfect timing. Everything was going great. Expand, hit the NE base for distraction. Run or teleport.
There is also the option to go t3 for a tiny hall as you raider lame and hide behind towers.
The NE cannot stop it.
He can't kill your base. He can't zone out your expo AND defend his base at the same time.
All he could do is try and camp his own expo.
Grubby could add even just 1 wyvern to harrass lumber wisps.
Ne cannot fend off raiders AND expand without having lumber problems.
14:00 fighting creeps n tree
That blade was like a cheat code in game 1.
wow, thought it was over but
Not the first time raiders are not working against mass dryad. You lack of dps all the time. And maybe I'm a noob but I don't understand why do you refuse to go over 50 pop when your opponent clearly has much more.
He was 1 mine his opponent had 2 mines. He couldn’t keep up with the opponent’s unit production unit losses to even consider going over 50. Ironically if he had defended his tower and shop instead of doing that ring around the rosie, I think he stops the re-expand and wins
Raiders will work against dryads if you mass enough of them, but when he started losing in economy he indeed couldn't keep up anymore and got peppered to death. Grubby had to stay low pop to get more gold, expansion allows you to go into higher unit count, but upkeep forces you to look for a brawl.
What map is this?
i dont get the end game composition. What horde unit beats dryads? berserker? More raiders?
Defensively demos might work but against that many dryads, you'll just get kited.
@@alcatraz160 just checked a tournament orc vs ne. It's quite rough. Mass raider and grunts backed by shadow hunter and speed scroll win 1 game. The rest use walkers and raiders. Did not last long. It seems grunts are quite tanky in late game still.
More night elf gameplay would be cool!
I'm really having a hard time understanding why Grubby lost. Grubby had such a good advantage early, killed dh couple times, killed the finished expo. Took a small loss in the team fight after ward traded blade with kog, but I don't feel like Grubby did any major blunder, yet the mass dryads strat which was not even supposed to work managed to turn the tide? Was it just because Grubby didn't retrain the SH to lvl 3 serpents?
Cuz thats not what happened. He blundered blade, then traded his entire army for KoG
@@maxvarjagen9810 Yeah, he also lost few units in transit I believe. He could also try to setup this tower and shop at NE expansion, at the time he was strong enough to force it. Overall there was a couple of questionable moves, which started to add up over time.
Man, not really sure what Grubby did wrong here. He played really well
It's all expo and that there's zero counter to dryads for orc
Sonic had the economic lead, mining some extra gold which translated into more dryads, who are quite cost effective and solid NE unit. He simply ended up peppered with spears to death. Maybe he needed a catapult or SH going snakes, because focus firing DH after he levelled up stopped working. I just feel he needed some ranged options or at least camping with that tower and shop on NE expansion spot. Raiders are good enough with siege damage vs dryads if you manage to get a critical mass of them, but Grubby started to be overwhelmed with number of dryads and couldn't keep up.
NE only mined for at most a few minutes before Grubby took it out. I too don't fully understand why he lost too, losing the blade mid game hurt a lot, but NE also lost DH a couple times and KOG that fight.
@@dark3031 He explained why he lost at the end of the game. He should have pressured the NE after killing expo the first time. He retreated instead, and the rest is history.
So much skill expressed in this one game. This was amazing.
“We need more gold!”
-U.S. Government
LACKS CATAPULT!
Came because of clickbait thumbnail, not disappointed
"it's like scene from Ross and Rachel" haha. How does he comes up with that in a fly.
It's easy to say elf imba, but I don't think that's really the case here. Hard fought by both players, a good game.
I wonder if one forward tower outside your base, once fortified defenses is up, is worth it? It would zone out the sieging dryads and free up mobility around the orc base, and drop any dryad ensnared in range. It seemed once they hit critical mass, there just wasnt enough orc dps to do the job anymore, especially with walkers padding out thst much needed food supply
To understand Sonic, one needs to take the doppler effect into consideration😆
I do not play this game, but I wonder about strategies. I noticed that in this game it is trivial to tech up and most pro players do it. Grubby for example went straight to T2 without any units. However, my impression is that you should first to reach unit count of 40-50 before you hit upkeep. This establishes dominance and it prevents greedy plays. Only then go for upgrades and tech transition. The idea being that you replace lost units with higher tech units which you want. Preferably after forcing a fight when you have numerical advantage.
Does anyone knows this game well enough to comment on such a strategy? Would work in this game or against what Grubby is doing?
Btw: I did not played this game online, but in general my playstyle back then was to create a swarm with footman and Paladin healing. When I would lack surface area, I would add Rifleman. Only then I would tech up to add human casters as a support. Then again to T3 and start replacing footmen with Knights.
All the stuff orc wants is Tier 2. Most important the 2nd hero. In this case shadow hunter. If he stayed tier 1 he would give the game to NE coz he can tech even safer thanks to moonwells
@@defmore5099 Do pros rush T2 with Orc practically every time?
@@REgamesplayer Yes. Either with 2 grunts, 1 grunt or no grunts. But orc is the race that techs up to tier 2 the fastest usually.
Bratan is kind of offensive word for a well educated person. What’s more it comes out from the criminal environment
Equivalent of saying "homie" or "bro". Maybe a snob would get offended, but wc3 players tend to be chill.
he said u TOP, he is ur fan))) Sonik loves you)) 4k.grubby = LEGEND