MPL Talks: The Battle of Stalingrad
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- MPL Reference Librarian Dr. John Foster discusses the Battle of Stalingrad, including:
● the ideological differences between Hitler and Stalin's brands of totalitarianism
● Hitler's intention with targeting Russia's oil fields
● Operation Barbarossa, which preceded the battle
● readings from a German's soldier diary during the battle
● the battle's effect on the Eastern European front and war
● the startling loss of life that made Stalingrad the bloodiest battle in a bloody, bloody war.
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Dr Foster, I really appreciate your presentations. I search them out. Thank you also to your employer for making these presentations available internationally via the internet.
Dr. John Foster is very entertaining to listen to, and very knowledgeable. I really enjoyed this and would love to watch him speak again!
Excellent video !!! The dr is a great speaker.
I’m sitting through this whole video waiting for the speaker to actually start talking about Stalingrad instead of literally everything else: the Holocaust, bolsheviks, the T-34, operation Barbarossa….etc…
The Stug 111 or the Sturmgeshultz 3 did not mount a caliber 88 mm gun. It was mounted the 75mm cannon. Only the Tiger 1 and 2, the panzerjager 6 first called the Ferdinand but later called the (Oliphant = Elephant) and the Jagpanther (panzerjager 5) mounted the 88mm.
Ricky Granderson who fucking cares. They still got arses kicked. Ha
Nashorn as well
43:00 Correct display of this photo. At other websites it is shown with left/right reversed. At left, the conical roof is part of the "miller's house." That is near the Tsaritsa Bunker, where Gen. Chuikov was headquartered after leaving Mamayev Kurgan.
This presentation could have been marvelous if Mr. Foster would have prepared better and would have avoided the haphazard and distracting rifling through his papers. Also the most salient point of the Stalingrad conflageration was missed: Germany and the Soviet Union, or better still, Hitler and Stalin swapped their strategical and tactical approach. Hitler became more rigid as he took over control from his Generals, whereas Stalin increasingly allowed more initiative and flexibility.
I love your work, but allow me to say that you missed so much key information, for instance Paulus asked for freedom of decision from Hitler which he refused, Manstien supposed to rescue the encircled Wehrmacht which he also failed to do, and how Russians used frozen Volga for transportation, you missed much more
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It's an hour talk. Everything you mention he didn't cover is well known. 1 hour isn't enough to even give an overall view. The speaker is giving detail that usually is never mentioned. He's delving into the criminal nature of the Werhmact along with Hitler's & Stalin's megalomania. If you want a blow by blow of Stalingrad try TIK & others. This speaker started with the gist of the entire war. The Soviets won WW2 & annihilated the Wehrmacht, Stalingrad being the main turning point of many in the ridiculous inept invasion of the Soviet Union by the Germans.
Jimmy Lee NO. They are NOT well known. This is a waste of an hour.
This guy is completely unprepared and unprofessional - he doesn’t know what is he talking about - mistake by mistake - waste of time !!!!
Wonderful talk. Stalingrad is one of those events in world history which still offers so much to learn from.
Just two things I wish to add (because he began by saying the Soviets really won the war) -
- (I've read that) The horrific death toll among the Soviet soldiers was as much due to Soviet 'strategy' & their general attitude, as it was due to the Wehrmacht. At times, the entire 'strategy' was to just send in more men than the Germans had bullets.
The American & British strategy was to lose as few people as possible, while the Russians just did not care how many of their enslaved cannon fodder were shot to pieces. As many as necessary, they said. The Americans & the British would use their equipment to protect their soldiers, with the USSR it was often the other way around. Because under any collectivism, the individual human life has no value.
- It would all have been a moot point if not for British and American aid, which transformed the Soviet Army into something that resembled a fighting force. You can build a many tanks as you want, but if your infantry is travelling on foot and have no trucks, no boots, no weapons and no FOOD, you're going to lose. They were getting their asses kicked & I've read the loss rate was something like 20 Soviet soldiers killed for every single German killed. It was Lend-Lease that really turned the tide.
I wonder what the world would look like today, if Lend-Lease had been scaled back a little, to the point of keeping both parties tied up in Russia, instead of fueling the Russians charge into Eastern Europe. (Not practical, I know).
59:43. The Kessel was the entire area--in the countryside and Stalingrad--surrounded by the Soviets.
Nice material but the subjectivity is really annoying
1:01:38 Generaloberst Freiherr von Richtofen had not said that the Luftwaffe could adequately supply the surrounded troops. He tried to get his superiors to understand that supply by air would be quite inadequate.
according to the English historian Sir Antony Beevor (Stalingrad, 1998) von Richtofen will have told Hitler that the operation would be possible but that in verifying the operation he realized it to be impossible. Unlike most German officers, he then decided to tell Hitler his mistake and that the operation would be impossible, to which Hitler, of course, did not listen
Actually Hitler was told by Jeschonnek that luftwaffe can supply 6 Th army
Thanks, except few mistakes about equipment it was a decent lecture. Ps: Stalins view about National-Socialism was a great point to bring, it is rarely somebody brings it up. It was one of key reasons they couldn't co-exist.
In most wars there are two sides and a lot of ambiguity as far as right and wrong are concerned. World War II was unique. Japan and Germany were utterly destroyed and they still got off easy. Both countries were lucky the Russians and Americans didn’t like or trust each other, because they’d still be recovering from the war to this day had they stayed allies.
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Reds got there payback though.
1:03:27 "Every seven seconds a German dies in Russia."
STALINGRAD - MASSENGRAB
Stalingrad
The Russian lives lost are staggering, but how about the material support of the US?....400,000 trucks, 2000 locomotives, thousands of all kinds of radio communications units, fuel, food, boots and all the while the US is fighting in the Pacific against Japan which assured Stalin he not need be concerned with his eastern border, putting forces and suppling them in N Africa and eventually into Italy, fortifying England with men and material for the D-Day invasion.
By the end of 1944 the US was capable of suppling 2000 divisions in the field! But the Russians beat Germany?
But russians killed 9/10 nazi soldiers and they won greatest battles in history who is the real winner
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8:44 the soviets calls the nazis ‘fascists’
putin calls ukrainians nazis as a way to sell his idea to the west
14:17 this if supposed to be about Stalingrad …bye
Very informative. But not the best public speaker. Too many uhhs and duhs.
Thank you so much because you clearly accepted that Nazi Germany was literaly crushed by Soviet Union.This is a fact,we never say USA and British Empire have no role that,but their role is as limited as the role of Romania,Hungary and Italy.
Uh uh uh uh uh uhhhh uh uh uh uh
This guy is a professor?? Not the best speaker by far.
This "historian" sort of can't even express his own sort of narrative. He sort of gets lost in his each meager thought, because he is sort of an amateur sort of historian, who sort of tries to ya know, sound sort of knowledgeable about his own sort of subject matter.
I felt like he Ramblin bc he don't have the passion for what's he's studying and talking about
He's not trying to claim to be an expert in this area he presents on a range of topics.
I thought it was very good peticularly hearing some of the political analysis
In pretty soon we’re gonna have an American Stalingrad
HITLER: "I've got way too many people and not enough food."
STALIN: "I've got way too many people and not enough food."
HITLER & STALIN: "Let's have a waaaaaarrrr!"
Terrible speaker!
Not
Y de repente, los nietos del tercer ejército de patton, en 2023 apoyando a biden en ucrania…🤣🤣…apoyando a los mismos nietos de los que describes en los 5 primeros minutos…🤣🤣…la puta narrativa anglosajona no tiene vergüenza 🤣🤣🤣
What happened to the Aztecs and Incans?. The Spaniards showed up with all of their diseases.
So what ? It was different world, economy, different needs…
Great Talk. Love this channel. Keep up the great work. Thank you
after watching one of these to completion, I am less enthusiastic on this guy. He really doesn't seem to know a lot about this subject matter. I am more knowledgeable than him. I keep spotting errors and inaccuracies. I overlooked it at first, but the frequency is way to high.
Not only did The Soviet Union sacrifice more lives/materials than any other allied power , more than any other satellite / member nation of The Soviet Union , the Ukraine sacrificed more lives.
Too many er..er..er..er...couldn't watch it,drives you nuts
kept saying "get on with it man"
Actually, Hilter lost the war by sacrificing the 6th army more than the Russians won the war. Had Paulus Broke out of the pocket when he had the chance, the outcome of the war might have been different. Also, without lend lease Russia wouldn’t have had the resources to fight. Furthermore, Russia lost so many more people during the war because the communist system (ends justify the means) has no problem throwing people away.
Land lease, while instrumental in many aspects, is often given WAY too much credit in regards to USSR's victory.
To begin with the vast majority of it arrived well after the Soviet had turned the tide of war on the eastern front and the nazi armies were cribbled beyond recover. And in the whole the land lease amounted to 11 billion USD, which "only" made up around 3% of USSR's entire military budget. The vast majority of lend lease were allocated to Britain.
You will be hard pressed to find a modern credible historian make the claim that they would have lost without it. It did however massively impact how fast the Soviet counter offensive where, as arguably the most important assets of the lend lease, the trucks, help massively in the logistical side of the eastern front in the final years.
And in regards to Russia losing so many people because of "communism". Well, that kind of conclusion is only something a teenager that watched "Enemy at the gates" would claim. The they lost so many because of the inital stages of the war were devestating. The Nazis were incredibly efficiant and experienced while the Soviets weren't, a lot because of Stalin's poor decision making and his murder spree on previous Soviet military commanders. The biggest reason was however the Nazis' goal to genocide the slavs. There's a reason why for an example 25% of the belarusian population died, and that was because of the systematic genocide of civilians by nazi germany.
Yours thoughts about the 6th army please @@VG_164
Without the material help Soviets received from the west they would have lost the war
The eastern front is not talked about much. Thank you
Go and watch the Soviet Storm documentary its about 17 episodes you can find it on Utube greatest WW2 documentaries ever made regarding the Eastern front
Actually Paulus was a commander of a motorized regiment till 1935. And a head of the stuff of 10th army since 1939. kinda military scholar and HQ strategist, not a field commender.
Staff officer is the word you're looking for. He planned a lot of Barbarossa.
Artiom Beknazaryan still got his nazi arse kicker.
Where there were minefields, soldiers would be marched into them in front of the tanks; they lost a lot more men because the commanders, the commissars and everyone above the grunt level were all so terrified of getting shot. They were the proverbial cannon fodder.
funny but in 2022 they are almost doing the same thing
Stalingrad was the wehrmacht's grave!!
Really terrible presentation. So amateurish, just reading text.
The opening narrative was complete hogwash also.
Dude doesn't know crap about armaments on tanks. But is right about a good bit of history
25million russian dead, about the same number of um and ers in this lecture
Doing the right thing is difficult enough in this world and even in peace time. The lecturer rightly condemns the Sixth Army for its participation in the many atrocities committed as it marched to it demise but this blanket condemnation does disservice to the names Groscurth and Strecker, there are I’m sure others who served honorably and with conscience.
Really? The German Germal Staff explicitly stated Barbarossa via the Commissar order was to be a war of annihilation & to have no mercy in the prosecution of the war. 15 million Soviet civilians were intentionally murdered. Served with honor? It didn't happen on the Ost Front. German soldiers rapped, pillaged, & murdered with the blessing of the whole military. Have you never read personal diaries of German soldiers or Soviet civilians? Obviously not. The Wehrmacht displayed no honor in the Soviet Union.
Clearly knowledgeable but far too many uhms and literally's. Difficult to listen to ad the delivery needs work
the 6th army weren't human, they were beast, their inevitable collapse & surrender, deserved
The Russians were the real beasts. It took several million Russians to take the Germans. Plus the Russians created the best tank T 41 that was small but very powerful that was being produced at the height of the war approximately 2200 tanks a month compared to Germany producing approximately 500 tanks a month. If Stalingrad would have fell before the Winter set in they would have won. It took way too long to capture Stalingrad mainly because of the house to house fighting in which the Russians stood firm with excellent snipers. This gave Stalin the time to get the Russian forces ready to fight. However again the Russians sacrificed millions of men to defeat the Germans. The Germans could only do so much. They could have taken over Russia but initially they were doing great with destroying Russian forces and their military tanks and aircraft. They ended up sitting back and didn't make the final knock out blow. The had the Russians but blew it because they didn't defeat Russia quickly (like how Blitzcreed is designed how they defeated the other countries). They basically had the entire East and already defeated the West. This is how they blew WW2. My opinion from everything that I have researched. Thank you for reading
1hr 10 mins on general Barbarossa, 7 sec on Stalingrad!!
Not Russians but Soviets, pleas keep your facts straight.
Propagates certain things that are not so.
1. As Glanz has shown, the Red Army did not pull back in good order- they were ripped to pieces and routed.
2. Stug NEVER mounted an 88.
After that. I stopped, I recommend you do the same and find the lectures by David Glanz and Robert Citino instead.
I haven't listened to much of the lecture yet, but you are correct about the 88mm mounted Stug; if I remember correctly, after the deployment of the Russian T34, Krupp did have plans, and maybe a prototype (I can't remember if it got to that stage?) to mount the 88mm on the Stug IV, but it never actually saw any production.
In regards to your comment regarding the Red Army NOT pulling back in good order, what did you mean? At which point of the Eastern Theater are you referring to? When they moved their manufacturing east to the Urals?
PalleRasmussen agreed!! I was just thinking that.... Russia in winter gets down to -10 or 15??? wtf everyone knows it got down to -40
PalleRasmussen Stalingrad (now Volgograd) is actually a southern city by Russian means. What does it mean in terms of climate? Well, there is +35 - +40 celsius from mid June to mid/late August and it drops down to 0 to -15 in November and usually goes like this up to early Mach. Ice melts each weak or two and turns into a nice cold slicky mud, then freezes again and this happends over and over again. But eventually ( each2-3 years) in January or February we have two to three weeks of magnificent -25 and non-stoping wind that can drag a car over an ice covered parking. and that exactely what happened in January of 1943. Actually a worst case scenario of this - it was as cold as -30 for more then 6 weeks. It happens once in a decade probably.
Turning away because he gets wrong one esoteric bit of tank-talk? So he's not an expert on the military history minutia of tanks, that's not what this talk is for, you've unrealistic expectations. You get up in front of a room of people for an hour and see how much you sputter.
So where are thwy wrong you say Wrestling Shoot Channel?
Russians are cool. I like Russians.
I dunno about cool but there's no denying they were some
TUFF SUMBITCHES!! Enduring some of the most unimaginable suffering.
He could be smoother lol
er... er... err.... errrrr.........
Yes. Great stuff but listening to him is like being on a bumpy road in a car with no suspension.
Great talk ty
A very interesting subject but not a very good speaker. Historians need to have the gift of the gab!
Mark as you are so correct my friend! That poor guy stuttered and standard pitifully and ruined a fascinating subject
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In europe germany was defeated by the Russians. Two evils. Stalin vs Hitler
0:00 In October 1942 the Soviets came under terrific attack at the Krasnyi Oktyabr' Metallurgicheskiy Zavod. Although the smelters building was taken, the Soviets retook it and held it. The foto at upper left is alongside that (Martenovskii) building. One of the smelters' conveyor gantries is in the background.
Mark Prange did you ever play softball at the sportsplex for a team called Not Tonight?
One of the (5?) conveyor gantries is still standing in 2022. N 48.7610°, E 044.5646°.
@@DeepTexas: Wish I could say I did. But no, I didn't.
Why were why was this cut short that silly you should play the whole thing
Moscow was the key to defeating the SU. Hitler failed to comprehend the strategic importance of Moscow. Moscow was the center of Soviet rail transport. Moscow was the central nervous system of the SU. If Hitler had taken Moscow, the entire SU would have been immobilized and incapable of coordinated resistance.
Correct. Based on how badly Stalingrad went there is no way nazi germany could get enough resources to defeat Moscow.
@@perfectscotty If Hitler had begun the attack on the SU six weeks earlier and just focused all his armies on going straight for Moscow, they might have succeeded. But Hitler was so sure that the SU would crumble that he started the attack on June 22, and then tried to take Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad, and the oil fields on the Caspian Sea all at the same time. The hubris is incredible. His generals all knew better but they were afraid to argue with him. After defeating France in six weeks, he thought he was a military genius.
I admire that you mostly keep factually on point for the whole lecture, it's a skill of public speaking that one has to practice and cultivate and besides a few ums and uhs (which one quickly adjusts to when listening) it's an over-all enjoyable and insightful experience. It's good to listen to more than one person, no two people may even recount the same historical events in the same manner, with the same focuses, twice - even if they recall the same details.
Ever consider doing a lecture on some of the misconceptions of the Italian-side of WW2? OR even the Spanish Civil War (which I will always consider the un-official start of WW2 in Europe).
EDIT: How do we know that diary is legitimate and not an ingenious piece of propaganda concocted by some political commissar somewhere?
Fuzzy Dunlop 100% agree the spanish civil war was the actual start of ww2, though not the impetus. it’s where the nazis began to blood their troops for the upcoming war.
...and he should practice not saying 'sort of' 🙂
Why - support one or another side doesn’t mean that 2 countries are at war.
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So many lies about the germans 😢
Too many ums and arghs... if these were edited out, this channel would be easier to follow, but at the moment, it's er, you know, er... it's painful listening to this.... er, um.. ?
Love the way he mispronounces 'Caucasus.' Seriously?!
Maybe it’s you that have been misprounouncing it 🧐
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I enjoyed this. Anything on the eastern front fascinates me especially the Battle of Stalingrad the true turning point of the second World War. Thank you.
WookieClan Personally, I have always thought that the Wehrmacht cp uld have recovered from Stalingrad - I think it was Kursk that did them in. Just a friendly difference of opinion.
WookieClan totally agree. I too am fascinated by the eastern front.
I believe 22nd June 1941 was the turning point of the war between the allies and axis forces.
The staggering distances and geographical scope of the Soviet Union were always going to be far too big for the Germans, Romanians, and Italians to be successful.
The Soviets could always retreat east as far as was necessary, and it was only a matter of time before their inevitable victory in my humble opinion.
What is er, um and you know in German?
Probably, it means the firing squad... !!
0:00 There was a street barricade across Lomonosovskaya Ulitsa, near the Square of Fallen Fighters. In the post-surrender foto at upper right that can be seen: beyond are the Square, its Obelisk, and the Univermag building.
I hope these are not your professors in the US. Lots of information was missed out. Details and careful analysis is important.
we have much more knowledgeable academics :-).
this is a most excellent presentation.
It sucked, so many lies about tge germans, You people will believe anything without even question 0 critical thinking skills
Germany was done after stalingrad. The allies hadn,t even gotten into Italy yet. They too all the peasants food and everything they had of value! That,s the reason 2 mill or more civilians died of lack of food, shelter, and clothes. The russians extracted extreme revenge.
2nd viewing. Why does he blame Richtoven for Goering's mistake?
I'm actually waiting for this speaker to finish a sentence without er, um or you know.
Lol arm chair quarterback telling us who should have sympathy for. You probably would act far differently than you think you would in their place.
Awesome presentation. Thank you very much.
Great lecture, few mistakes or ill informed parts though
Lebensraum, extending the Father land
23:07. Tsaritsyn. Tsaritsa is a small river that flowed through it.
Do a episode about Pol Pot.
Super informational and a great presentation. My only recommendation is to be more conscientious of the "uhs" and "ums". I often do public speaking and one of the attendees pointed out my over usage of uhs and ums. This critique helped me with my presentation enormously.
This guy is completely unprepared and unprofessional - he doesn’t know what is he talking about - mistake by mistake - waste of time !!!!
Epic.
I cant see
Another great talk. Did the Battle of The Bulge talk get recorded?
We had technical issues with the recording equipment during the talk. Unfortunately, the video was unusable.
I am not a friend of russians
I am not a friend of the russian army( one of my relatives fought there against them) on the contrary but this was the most important battle of the second world war in europe . It was decisive . Chapeau Bas FOR THE RUSSIAN SOLDIER who defended his country like no one else !
A dumb reason to be against something "my relative was against them".
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One minor consideration, the fact that America shipped thousands of modern trucks and replacement parts to the USSR through lend-lease meant that the red army was able to maintain it's supply lines without having to rely on horsepower as the nazis did, plus the artillery was much more able to keep up with the fast-moving spearheads of the Soviet attack columns. People tend to want to focus on just the fighting side of wars to define victories and defeats and either ignore or downplay the importance of supply and logistics in modern warfare. The industrial abilities of America enabled the US to fight two complete wars in two theatres meanwhile supplying our allies with food weapons and auxiliary vehicles to help support their OWN manufacturing efforts and to produce more shipping that the u-boats could sink. No one denies that the Soviet Union suffered horribly during their Great Patriotic War with the hitlerites but if they were so incredibly dominant why was stalin so intent on having Britain and the US open a second front from 1941 on? I think that it would be much more historically correct to say that the axis powers were defeated by a winning coalition of diverse peoples who recognized a greater evil and put aside any differences (for the most part) to combat that evil for the protection of all.
You call these lectures... ?
I call them verbal Valium.
I heartily disagree with the comment concerning sympathy for the 6th Army. Humans should ALWAYS feel sympathy. Obviously not all victims are perpetrators, but many perpetrators are also victims. Would a person say such a thing to an American Vietnam veteran?
Excellent point. Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I didn't get past 9 minutes. You call this "history"? Palleramussen is right, go with David Glanz and Robert Citino!
David Lacroix I am glad the 6th Army was surrounded and starved.
Humans don't murder children.
The 6th Army was an invading army involved in a battle of total annihilation that deserved absolutely no sympathy whatsoever. If you had studied the battle you would know that the initial air raid killed over 70,000 civilians. They Germans got what they deserved-death to the last man. Evidently you did not fully comprehend the video. For the Germans the war was about race and space.
My father and my uncle both served in Vietnam. They had no illusions that the war was nothing less than slaughter and that it was an immoral and unethical enterprise. They expected, if they were captured, to be tortured and killed and they knew, that after what they had done to the people of Vietnam, that they deserved it.
I can feel sad it had to come to the circumstances that led to the battle etc. I can't shed I single tear for an invading army who massacred family and friends and destroyed my home. The soviets didn't nor should they be obligated to forgive them or feel sympathy. The war was genocidal and all bets are off after the first starvation and mass murder orders in the war by the Germans.
10.17..Stalin was convinced it was going to last...
U should take notice of the Ribbentrop-Molotov talks about further agreements.
Everything in these talks gave notice about Russia's expansion drift towards Europe,for particular Romania was a Goal for Stalin..
And as Viktor Sikorov mentioned in Der Eisbrecher,Russia build a massive amount of BT7 tanks,not suited for defending,but for fast attacks.
Generally tanks are offensive weapon so he was right
Still German soldier was superior to all.
He says "sort of" three times within the first 20 seconds of the talk.
What happened to the Aztecs and Incans?. The Spaniards showed up with all of their diseases.
It's going to be bloody, white against white.
I always get a warmth in my heart when I hear what happened to the germans in general. They all knew what was happening.
Russia did not defeat Germany, USSR did.
USSR is Russia 🇷🇺 Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic, previously known as the Russian Soviet Republic and the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic as well as being unofficially known as Soviet Russia, Russian Federation or simply Russia, was an independent socialist state from 1917 to 1922, and afterwards the largest and most populous of the Soviet socialist republics of the Soviet Union from 1922 to 1991,
Same thing
@@Game-Boy. So I guess those Ukranians, Kazakhs, Georgians and all the other Soviet Socialist Republics dont count for shit. Better yet, they died as Russians. And I guess today the Russians are saving their fellow Russians from German Nazi occupiers. USSR = Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. I dont see the name "Russia" anywhere in there. Maybe you should stick to gaming, boy and let the adults converse about history
So who defeated the Germans? Georgia and Lithuania? 😂
@@lloydchristmas1086 ever heard of Ukraine? Oh, that’s right, they aren’t really a country. Am I right Vladbot? I’ll give you a couple more - Belarus and Kazakhstan. Yeah, let’s not give any credit to them either.
IF IT WASN'T FOR AMERICAN SUPPLIES AND FOOD TANKS ECT RUSSIA WOULD HAVE LOST. SO THE USA WAS A LARGER PART OF WWII PAL. WITH OUT AMERICAN TRUCKS THE RUSSIANS DON'T GET TO BERLIN IN 1945
Ukrainians, not Russians, lost the most lives in WW2. Don't say Russians when you should be saying Soviets, there is a big difference. Also without the USA, both Britain and the U.S.S.R would have capitulated.
USSR, British Empire, USA. Lose one, you lose all three.
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You are probably very much right, I hasten to agree, well said.
Gregory Nasrallah u full of shit
Germany lost the war because Luftwaffe lost it already in late 1940 and U-boats couldn't win it at Atlantic. The most vital battle of WW2 were there at Atlantic and in skies above Atlantic and western Europe. Eastern Front was never Germany's top priority unlike common myth makers are claiming. When prioritizing Germans always let army in east on its own and pulled air cover from east to Reich. Eastern Front was nothing compared to super battlefield of air & sea warfare.
The Spanish wiped out the Aztecs and Incans. Let's fight each other, like the Americans civil war.
I think you're concept that the Soviets were the major factor in defeating Nazi Germany in WW2 is a bit off. Sure they were consistently fighting 60-70% of the German army, however, the without the western allies lend-lease (mostly US) there is very little doubt that the Soviets would have had many issues with offensive movements/logistics (trucks) and much lower air power. Most people have no idea the amount of food supplies, radios, trucks, tanks, and airplanes that the Soviets received between late 41 and early 45. Stalin downplayed this of course, but he wrote his own history of the Soviets winning and people believed it. It's only until recently that evidence has shown the war in the east was more in the balance than even historians had imagined. Not to mention Hitler wanting to station large amounts of troops in France, Italy, Balkans, and Norway to defend against possible allied invasions. Thank god for Hitler's constant bungling of tactical and strategic decisions or the world might be a very different place now.
I think the mistake is to look only at numbers of divisions, casualties, etc. Certainly the Soviets did most of the killing and dying; however, the fact that the Nazis had no access to world markets, had to guard occupied territories, and other factors that many take for granted are solely due to the fact that the Nazis were at war with the West.
Ara Bulbulian vvvvvvvvv
Ara Bulbulian, the soviet unoin was a massive country with a large amount of people. Sure the aid the united states supplied was very large, but not nearly enough to be decisive in the Soviets victory.People in the west tend to over play the importance of the aid given to the Soviets. Stalin on the contrary kept begging the US for more aid but did not receive as much as was needed. The aid, though beneficial ,wasn't enough to satisfy the monster of a country that the soviet union was. People in the west tend to down play the contribution of the Soviets due to the cold war. The fact remains that no other nation on this planet could have withstood the casualties and infrastructural damage the soviet union did and kept fighting. I wonder if a Western army would have been able to defeat 4 million German soldiers and their allies fighting in their prime. Hitler on the contrary had to remove a large number of troops from the western front to the eastern front. The number of German soldiers fighting in the east was always much greater than on the western front throughout the war. This alone shows you that he himself thought the war in the east to be more crucial.
look at the numbers even without allied supplies the russians still had more men, machines and resources. Maybe if the nazi's had taken moscow in 41 things could have been different... but when you look at the history even that was a stretch.
The Soviets held at Leningrad before aid from the West was of any consequence.
The Reds not only held Moscow--they forced the Germans back.
By the Fall of 1942 aid from the West was just becoming influential, but it was not decisive at Stalingrad.