1991 must be one of the best runnings of Le Mans, just for the cool & varied, but also very distinctive cars. Silk cut Jags, Silver arrows Mercs, the classic Renown Mazda, Peugeot. Unique underdog Wankel victory. Classic
@@hacktheplanet.Your profile name's ironic since you've never had an erection in your boring sad life. Get back from whence you came; under your bridge, go on.
They were already gonna ban the rotaries before the 787bs raced because they wanted the engines to be more in line with F1 style engines at the time. The only reason the 787b raced was because Mazda didn’t have a new engine ready for the car so the FIA let it race for one more year before banning it
The 787B while being the smallest and Least powerful engine on the grid, it was the great Gas Mileage the car had and the fact that the engine was overbuilt, another problem the car had was it was using an older style body most of the car was technology from the early 80s and it’s still impressive how they were able to pull a win.
The winning Mazda 787B was the first carbon fiber chassis for a Mazda entry, it was a state of the art chassis for the first time for Mazda. As for the engine it is my understanding it was capable of 900 horse power but was detuned to 700 horse power for reliably and fuel mileage. The Mazda from my understanding also ran a different class then the Peugeot, Saber-Mercedes and the Jaguar, Mazda lobbied the sanctioning body to not carry the extra weight due to their class and none of the bigger teams protested that so Mazda did not have to carry the extra weight. During practice the Mazda drivers were competing with each other to see who could get the best fuel milage and still turn respectable lap times.
Wow those C11s. I learned about these cars from Gran Turismo (787B, XJR9. Saubers, R92 and 89), and watching the highlights here in 2022 is just brilliant! Now where is the Panoz Esperante...
You realize the 787 was nowhere near the lead right? Not trying to knock the ‘91 win at all. But the Sauber’s were far superior and save for a rule change would have won easily. This car won once I believe
@@AdamTheMan1993 No, check your facts. Rotaries were banned because manufacturers argued that the engine being a 3 cycle (?) had a greater resultant capacity than standard reciprocating engines, which were regulated at 3.5L. The FIA themselves weren't going to ban it. The manufacturers argued against the rotary racing. Also the sound was a concern as it was above the set limit. Plus fuel consumption was an issue that FIA had been planning to reduce to force car makers to make more efficient cars. Rotaries were indeed ban. Dude is right, as is the commentator in the video. That's wy the MXR1 had a 3.5L V10 which is basically a repainted Jag XJR14.
@@AdamTheMan1993 rotaries were banned "from Le Mans", not from IMSA. The rotary you speak of is the homologated RX7 that raced in IMSA, and IMSA GTS classes were often allowed to race at Le Mans for class wins. Rotaries were banned from racing in the top class of Le Mans as a means to regulate the prototype class tighter. GTS classes couldn't compete with prototypes for overall wins and were only fighting for class wins. FIA officially banned the rotary from entering le mans after 1991.
@@arjun._.bbC6 Firstly Le Mans wasn't a FIA race between 1993 and 2011 when the ACO broke away and Le Mans a open invitation race for different engine formulas to compete, secondly a Rotary engined car did compete in the top WSC prototype class entered by American James Downing's DTR team with manufacturer support from Mazda in 1995, 1996 and 1997
1991 Tak dobrá, že ji museli zakázat (Mazda 787B) Rotační Wankelův motor je dokonalý na papíře, ale v reálu má celou řadu vad. To se Mazda pokoušela vyvrátit svými speciály prakticky celá 80. léta, ale ve startovním poli vždy působila spíš jako zajímavé zpestření než jako skutečný rival. Tedy až do roku 1991, kdy se čtyřrotorové, divoce ječící monstrum o výkonu 700 koní prodralo až na příčku nejvyšší (i za cenu naprostého vyčerpání Johnnyho Herberta, kterého z auta museli vynést) - Mazda 787B byla sice slabší než konkurence, ale předčila ji vyšší spolehlivostí (!) a nižší spotřebou (!!!). Proto organizátoři účast aut s rotačním motorem jednoduše zatrhli a pro Mazdu to tak byl jediný triumf v historii.
Lemans has a way of rewarding the humble, the commentator said nothing about the Mazda until it led the race. He was even forced to use terms such as reliable when describing a rotary engine. hahahahaha. God bless Lemans.
That is literally why Rotaries were renowned in Races. Maybe not in production engines longevity wise. But if you read on the history of Mazda Motorsports (USA) you will know that they dominated in the endurance races..Not because of power but because they could sustain the abuse for a longer period of time without major problems! Cheers
The rules change too often for some reason or another, manufactures couldn’t keep up with the changes so which made it overly expensive to race with no profit..so they dropped out..the rotary engine was the only unique engine there no one wants to touch it,everybody sold the rights to make it to someone else,Mazda made it work and made it out perform 100-year-old pissed on concept everybody else uses and perfected..they put all three cars in the top eight with no mechanical failure capable of making 900 hp de tuned into 700 reliably,unbelievable achievement.. This sound they make whizzing bye is one of the reasons some people would’ve gone to the races.. They were good for racing but was bad
we all love the Mazda, but the way NOBODY ELSE in 1991 gave a shit about them. The way they were gushing about the Jaguar and Mercedes cars is still embarrassing to this day
Western manufactures could not accept their defeat with dignity and they had to come up with a sucker punch type response to Mazda's fantastic victory : we ask our friends at the FIA to ban your engine for ever because we cannot master the technology as you Japanese can. Anyway! The 787B is the best endurance car ever... and what a beautiful sound that engine was making in the Hunnaudieres straight line.
The 787B is not the best endurance race car ever. Of course this can also be very subjective. The 787B did not win another race that season and finished 5th as its best finish outside of Le Mans. FIA changed the entire formula for what the rules would be goingt forward after 1991 and this included what was known as Group C. It could easily be summized that the Porsche 956/962 was the greatest endurance race car ever made considering how dominant and how long it reigned as a champion endurance car. It could also be argued that the Sauber C9 or C11 was the greatest endurance race car ever built ignoring the fact it never won Le Mans and just focusing on its performance with its incredibly powereful twin turbo V8 and its performance on the track.
@@deckard2665 Correction- The C9 won the 1989 Le Mans and WEC. It won all races except one. The C11 won the 1990 WEC. They just chose not to run it at Le Mans because it wasn't a championship race. Regardless, as much as I love the the C9, the 956/962 has to be the greatest endurance racing car of all time. I combined the two because of how interchangeable the two were. 962 was basically a slightly redesigned 956 with 1 more turbo.
@@arjun._.bbC6 I stand corrected. In my opinion the C9 is the untimate beast. The power that car has is just unreal. I do not think we will ever see anything as exciting as the Group C era in motor car racing again.
It wasn't banned because it was too powerful. It was, in fact, underpowered compared to the Group C1 cars. The reason rotary didn't return is because the engine regulations changed to 3.5L Formula engines the following year. Rotary wasn't the only engine "banned". Mercedes lost their monstrous twin turbo V8 as well, and Jaguar lost their V12.
Group C changed to a 3.5 Liter NA engine Formula. Ruling out all other Engine Layputs like the Big 7 Liter V12s Jag was using or the 5 Liter V8 Turbo Mercedes was running. And No, Rotaries weren't banned because they were too Sucessfull. Mazda won only One race of the about 20 they entered.
The year when they destroy this wonderfull monster C11, they put another 100 kg on them to be havier 250 kg over atmo bolids. Still they are fastest on the track till alternator brecket fail. What a shame for maybe the best C machine ever.
The C11's were probably the best Group C cars ever made. Benefiting from development after what was learned from the 956/962 Porsche, the C11's were ridiculously fast and had incredible grip. I am not sure if the regulations were changed that year or the next but regardless the C11 is one of the greatest race cars ever built.
What a wonderful engineered race car ..the noise...the livery on it Jhonny Herbert got it for Mazda!!
I love(d) Johnny, he was such an authentic chap.
Alonso loves JH😂
I can't get over the screaming sound of Mazda 787B. it's music to my ears and goosebumps as well. 😅
Hell yeah 787b baby
Herbert was so exhausted at the end of the race he couldn't stand on the podium (that's why only 2 drivers stood on the top)
lmao 3 minutes of gushing about the euro companies and crying about their problems with a "oh and Mazda won I guess" at the end
1991 must be one of the best runnings of Le Mans, just for the cool & varied, but also very distinctive cars. Silk cut Jags, Silver arrows Mercs, the classic Renown Mazda, Peugeot. Unique underdog Wankel victory. Classic
Nice article regurgitation, stop trying to sound intelligent. It's embarrassing.
@@hacktheplanet.Your profile name's ironic since you've never had an erection in your boring sad life. Get back from whence you came; under your bridge, go on.
Envy destroyed Mazda
The Peugeot still looks futuristic today, and the Mazda looks like a product of the 1980s, so it's hard to believe they were ever on the same grid.
Honestly the craziness of Group C is beautiful, sad it doesn't exist today.
The front end looks identical to the newer volkswagen ID car or whatever its called. The all electric one
Search for "Peugeot 905 supercopter" 😉
yet you share the same surname as the person who built the 787b
@@millerchassis6119 That is true, yes.
The FIA's envy ended up banning Mazda from the competition, they couldn't stand the pressure ...., What a eargasmic motor sound!
They always pull some shady shit so French makes can win
@@kadasrichard Yeah !
They were already gonna ban the rotaries before the 787bs raced because they wanted the engines to be more in line with F1 style engines at the time. The only reason the 787b raced was because Mazda didn’t have a new engine ready for the car so the FIA let it race for one more year before banning it
@@edgiestofcars sad
@@m_5373 I’m not saying it’s a bad car tho. The rotary was a very good and reliable racing engine but the FIA was catering more to F1
The 787B while being the smallest and Least powerful engine on the grid, it was the great Gas Mileage the car had and the fact that the engine was overbuilt, another problem the car had was it was using an older style body most of the car was technology from the early 80s and it’s still impressive how they were able to pull a win.
The car could actually make 1200 hp but it was governed down to improve reliability and fuel efficiency.
It had fuel mileage because its competitors were handicapped with 150kg ballast to slow them down.
The winning Mazda 787B was the first carbon fiber chassis for a Mazda entry, it was a state of the art chassis for the first time for Mazda. As for the engine it is my understanding it was capable of 900 horse power but was detuned to 700 horse power for reliably and fuel mileage. The Mazda from my understanding also ran a different class then the Peugeot, Saber-Mercedes and the Jaguar, Mazda lobbied the sanctioning body to not carry the extra weight due to their class and none of the bigger teams protested that so Mazda did not have to carry the extra weight. During practice the Mazda drivers were competing with each other to see who could get the best fuel milage and still turn respectable lap times.
1:49 that’s Jean Todt! This guy was in everything damn
i dont ever recall a crowd going into the track to celebrate a lemans win like this! MAZDA
That is a gorgeous car. Also the sound.
Wow those C11s. I learned about these cars from Gran Turismo (787B, XJR9. Saubers, R92 and 89), and watching the highlights here in 2022 is just brilliant! Now where is the Panoz Esperante...
So Proud Of The Lil' Dorito!
787B ❤️
It's been 30 years.
Bring back the rotaries!!!
They should add the 24 Hours of Le Mans 1989 preview.
The Peugeot! Pity it never made it to the podium! Love the Mazda rotative motors too.
They banned the Mazda because it was too dominant, probably.Superior tech.
@@pedroleal7118 so dominant that it only won an endurance race once... this one
@@joshuawhelan9358 why did the remove it then?????
@@goonygaming3390 FIA standardising engine layouts
Coolest car out there.
MAZDA７８７ＢはC2なのに優勝してしまいました､ロ-タリ-サウンドが聞かれ無くなったのが寂しいです
Mazda 787B: Flawless victory!!!!
Yeah only because the rule changes forced all the other Group C cars to be slower...
Wait, how can you feature the 787B without showing the sound of its engine??
exactly
The 3.5L era cars are so beautiful
Best Mercedes Le Mans Car ever made the C9 version wins every Race in Gran Turismo 6
I Never Got to Drive the Sauber Mercedes Benz C9 🇩🇪 in Gran Turismo 4 😈
@@SuperiorNo1
Its better in Gran Turismo 4 & 5. In 7. Its not THAT Good.
A 3 and a half minute video recapping the highlights of the race and the Mazda’s aren’t even mentioned until the 2:30 mark???WTF??
They Werent Expecting Anything From The Lil' Dorito
0:57 Pause That! , The 787b would be great when its there
The invincible rotary
J'y étais ! 👍👏
The god of Screaming....Mazda 787b.
If you cant beat it just ban it
FIA: Write that down
Took them a while to do that with F1 Mercedes
@@ross_boss cause Ferrari and Mercedes are the best and the longest running teams and spend the most money, so the FIA will be biased.
You realize the 787 was nowhere near the lead right? Not trying to knock the ‘91 win at all. But the Sauber’s were far superior and save for a rule change would have won easily. This car won once I believe
too bad rotary engines were banned... competition drive development. Banning rotary engines basically hindered Mazda motivation to keep developing rotary engines
Rotary engines were never banned, get your facts right
@@AdamTheMan1993 No, check your facts. Rotaries were banned because manufacturers argued that the engine being a 3 cycle (?) had a greater resultant capacity than standard reciprocating engines, which were regulated at 3.5L. The FIA themselves weren't going to ban it. The manufacturers argued against the rotary racing. Also the sound was a concern as it was above the set limit. Plus fuel consumption was an issue that FIA had been planning to reduce to force car makers to make more efficient cars.
Rotaries were indeed ban. Dude is right, as is the commentator in the video. That's wy the MXR1 had a 3.5L V10 which is basically a repainted Jag XJR14.
@@arjun._.bbC6 Rotary engines did return to Le Mans in 1994 after the collapse of Group C
@@AdamTheMan1993 rotaries were banned "from Le Mans", not from IMSA. The rotary you speak of is the homologated RX7 that raced in IMSA, and IMSA GTS classes were often allowed to race at Le Mans for class wins. Rotaries were banned from racing in the top class of Le Mans as a means to regulate the prototype class tighter. GTS classes couldn't compete with prototypes for overall wins and were only fighting for class wins. FIA officially banned the rotary from entering le mans after 1991.
@@arjun._.bbC6 Firstly Le Mans wasn't a FIA race between 1993 and 2011 when the ACO broke away and Le Mans a open invitation race for different engine formulas to compete, secondly a Rotary engined car did compete in the top WSC prototype class entered by American James Downing's DTR team with manufacturer support from Mazda in 1995, 1996 and 1997
1991 Tak dobrá, že ji museli zakázat (Mazda 787B)
Rotační Wankelův motor je dokonalý na papíře, ale v reálu má celou řadu vad. To se Mazda pokoušela vyvrátit svými speciály prakticky celá 80. léta, ale ve startovním poli vždy působila spíš jako zajímavé zpestření než jako skutečný rival. Tedy až do roku 1991, kdy se čtyřrotorové, divoce ječící monstrum o výkonu 700 koní prodralo až na příčku nejvyšší (i za cenu naprostého vyčerpání Johnnyho Herberta, kterého z auta museli vynést) - Mazda 787B byla sice slabší než konkurence, ale předčila ji vyšší spolehlivostí (!) a nižší spotřebou (!!!). Proto organizátoři účast aut s rotačním motorem jednoduše zatrhli a pro Mazdu to tak byl jediný triumf v historii.
spolehlivost je to, o čem celá série le mans je..
These new cars have no soul. Too aerodynamically perfected
so loud that Volker Weidler suffered a career ending tinnitus. his balance was impaired after the race, he had to give up racing.
I read somewhere it was Gachot, not Weidler
Lemans has a way of rewarding the humble, the commentator said nothing about the Mazda until it led the race. He was even forced to use terms such as reliable when describing a rotary engine. hahahahaha. God bless Lemans.
That is literally why Rotaries were renowned in Races. Maybe not in production engines longevity wise. But if you read on the history of Mazda Motorsports (USA) you will know that they dominated in the endurance races..Not because of power but because they could sustain the abuse for a longer period of time without major problems! Cheers
These cars are pure pron
Rotary is the king 👑
i agree
Mazda took this and they turned it into gold. They turned it into gold for years to come.
Now I will spend my 1,850M credit of Gran turismo 7
The rules change too often for some reason or another, manufactures couldn’t keep up with the changes so which made it overly expensive to race with no profit..so they dropped out..the rotary engine was the only unique engine there no one wants to touch it,everybody sold the rights to make it to someone else,Mazda made it work and made it out perform 100-year-old pissed on concept everybody else uses and perfected..they put all three cars in the top eight with no mechanical failure capable of making 900 hp de tuned into 700 reliably,unbelievable achievement.. This sound they make whizzing bye is one of the reasons some people would’ve gone to the races.. They were good for racing but was bad
I'm amazed by how many people act as if they were personally attacked by this by this car.
Lucky for Mazda because Mercedes C11 was out of the race after hours taking the lead.
Credit to Mazda. Love the JDM manufactures but Deutschland has it locked.
That car is so sexy 😍 the engine sound is just beautiful
The 787B was so good it got banned... Terrible
we all love the Mazda, but the way NOBODY ELSE in 1991 gave a shit about them. The way they were gushing about the Jaguar and Mercedes cars is still embarrassing to this day
Western manufactures could not accept their defeat with dignity and they had to come up with a sucker punch type response to Mazda's fantastic victory : we ask our friends at the FIA to ban your engine for ever because we cannot master the technology as you Japanese can. Anyway! The 787B is the best endurance car ever... and what a beautiful sound that engine was making in the Hunnaudieres straight line.
The 787B is not the best endurance race car ever. Of course this can also be very subjective. The 787B did not win another race that season and finished 5th as its best finish outside of Le Mans. FIA changed the entire formula for what the rules would be goingt forward after 1991 and this included what was known as Group C. It could easily be summized that the Porsche 956/962 was the greatest endurance race car ever made considering how dominant and how long it reigned as a champion endurance car. It could also be argued that the Sauber C9 or C11 was the greatest endurance race car ever built ignoring the fact it never won Le Mans and just focusing on its performance with its incredibly powereful twin turbo V8 and its performance on the track.
@@deckard2665 Correction- The C9 won the 1989 Le Mans and WEC. It won all races except one. The C11 won the 1990 WEC. They just chose not to run it at Le Mans because it wasn't a championship race.
Regardless, as much as I love the the C9, the 956/962 has to be the greatest endurance racing car of all time. I combined the two because of how interchangeable the two were. 962 was basically a slightly redesigned 956 with 1 more turbo.
@@arjun._.bbC6 I stand corrected. In my opinion the C9 is the untimate beast. The power that car has is just unreal. I do not think we will ever see anything as exciting as the Group C era in motor car racing again.
Soo efficient they banned it the next year 93.. Mazda laughing at 😂🤣😂🤣
Yeah, so good it only won 1 race in 1991, the next race, it came fifth place
@@doabarrellroll69 yea, i know.. but man, you can't compare the sound etc of that car, and the history behind that car.. love it! 👌🏻
@@frankenelimtangco2400 true, it's also probably one of the most distinctive race cars out there with the Renown livery
@@doabarrellroll69 Winning Le mans or getting 5th place is a massive achievement...
banned cuz it was too loud for most tracks
De puta madre!!
como adoro ese sonido
Ol Japanese reliability
The letter 'r' is not in the name Peugeot. Why are they saying Purr-show?
Banned because it is too powerful, shame on you regulator…
It wasn't banned because it was too powerful. It was, in fact, underpowered compared to the Group C1 cars.
The reason rotary didn't return is because the engine regulations changed to 3.5L Formula engines the following year. Rotary wasn't the only engine "banned". Mercedes lost their monstrous twin turbo V8 as well, and Jaguar lost their V12.
ZOOM-ZOOM
MAZDA MAZDA MAZDA!!!!
0:36 is that Schumacher ?
No
Schumacher raced in 1990
Underdog Mazda won and was banned from further Le Mans racing. Because fascist admistration didnt want Japanese cars.
Toyota ? Nissan? NO That’s MAZDA !!!!!!!!!!!
Why why
Et les Mercedes!
ステキ
MAZDA IS THE BEST!!!
hi there, did anybody know why mazdas rotary engine was baned from la mans ? (listen from 3min3sec)
Group C changed to a 3.5 Liter NA engine Formula. Ruling out all other Engine Layputs like the Big 7 Liter V12s Jag was using or the 5 Liter V8 Turbo Mercedes was running.
And No, Rotaries weren't banned because they were too Sucessfull. Mazda won only One race of the about 20 they entered.
@@felixlueggerto thanks mate ✌️
The year when they destroy this wonderfull monster C11, they put another 100 kg on them to be havier 250 kg over atmo bolids.
Still they are fastest on the track till alternator brecket fail. What a shame for maybe the best C machine ever.
The C11's were probably the best Group C cars ever made. Benefiting from development after what was learned from the 956/962 Porsche, the C11's were ridiculously fast and had incredible grip. I am not sure if the regulations were changed that year or the next but regardless the C11 is one of the greatest race cars ever built.
Driver: OHH NO! That mazda is seriously fast for our german cars!
Officials: I know right? Lets ban it next year to secure european dominance!
Banned an engine for being too good. What a fucking joke. Mazda will always be awesome in my book.
Mazda won and dominated everyone with no excuses and europeans can’t face that the Japanese are better.
slow
What a stunning video, I could watch that for 24hrs...unlike todays crap coverage and dopey commentary