On average, one player's salary on a T4 team currently exceeds the entire budget of a bottom team. Don't think a salary cap is the way to go, but it's definitely top heavy
Bro all dashy said was if they played better it woulda prolly put faze in tougher positions where someone might not drop a 14 kill streak and fry as much... they lost by a small margin in that game after going down 100 to start.. if anything it should make them feel like if we don't start off the maps like shit they win by 100.. ?? Yall take things way outta context and Ace is just a hater.. imagine that. Lives shit talk.. guess if dashy came out talkin shit Ace would suck him off like he did Scrap when they got beat by the team he's talkin shit about. Stop the Bias it's weird. N if ur not soft ull leave this up, but yes speaking clown ass yapanese for sure
I don’t like being a hater, but Ace just drives me nuts in these. Ice cold takes & bad jokes paired with a loud voice is just an L for me. Id like to see him take a more serious tone like Rab & Zero. Edit: the snoopy take at 47 mins was perfect, love to see him more like that in these episodes. 100p agree with his point too
Only thing weird about the drama is that scrap is far and away the best player on his team, and drazah is the worst on his. It’s not really two juggernauts going at each other, drazah just has a big mouth lol
Everyones ego gets COLLOSAL when they join faze. Arcitys was flipping off the crowd and dropping f bombs in interviews. Slasher was saying "I taught them how to play". And now draz is tossing money around on stream, and mocking orgs for being their CEO. Now 2/3 of them are at rock bottom of the league, as soon as theres a slip up faze will dump him to the curb, he'll fall down the ladder until he's apologizing for being a dumbass
I'm glad there was some realistic judgement of Boston. Hearing Doug try and cover dropping their two best players was faded. By the way Trei, random question. Do you think the latter half of your career would have been different if you won back-to-back tournaments in IW? You honestly should have beaten LG both times so I'm wondering if that would have changed your career and future teams moving forward.
I think the slasher move could have gone either way, they had to drop one of the ar's. Preston had a bit better stats this split, the question is if they value Slasher's intangibles, evidently they didn't
We have Invasion and Subbase in the map pool and Trei said seriously Skidrow should get taken out? Because of a bad P2... this is just lost. Skidrow has at least real spawns. If i wouldnt know it better, i would think he never had played those maps...
Disagree w Asim being mid heavily. I definitely think he’s similar to a Hicksy, quality gap filler who just hasn’t been put on the best teams imo. He lifts everyone on his team. Players and headless chickens like Snoopy make it harder for everyone else despite the higher KD or whatever
My issue with Exceed is that no one deserves anything in life. If you work hard enough and Become undeniable like rab said then you might be given an opportunity. Exceed thinks just because he wins challengers and is a good player that he has to be given an opportunity when in reality he doesn’t have to be given anything. He is extremely entitled and some orgs look at conversations like these on podcasts and can decide not to given him an opportunity solely based on his entitlement as a player. Most players that are trying to go pro in challengers never even get ONE shot at the league like Exceed did, sometimes all you get is ONE shot and if you don’t impress then it is what it is. He needs to humble himself.
Tbh i would take vista hp in instead of Subbase and would take departures in at least for 2 modes instead of 2 modes invasion. If not all 3 invasion modes cause of the snd wallbang spots. This map isnt playable in all 3 modes. Not with this wallbangs, not with this spawns and not if you dont want to die because of boringness during watching a control.
bro wtf do yall want dashy to say lmao he said they played like shit so hes confident moving froward, do you want him to just say "ah man looks like we wont get another shot damn"
I think whichever team out of NY/Faze/Optic dont win champs the other 2 are attempting appropriately an $800k+ buyout for scrap this off season. That makes me feel like NY is less likely to bid that amount, but i don't see a world where if optic/faze lose champs this year they arent making a blockbuster move for scrap. In this hypothetical ultra are basically in a rebuild/salary dump year if scrap leaves cause i dont think they can easily fill that role
@@Painless-_-69 I believe in this year's off-season he's in his "team option" of his contract which to my understanding means they decide if they give him another offer, but if teams are saying "we'll take him and pay this buyout" they have the opportunity to do that too. Not 100% certain tho
I HATE that we are of the opinion that if a map is shit, that's it get rid of it. I HATE that we can't just tweak maps... why can't we, for example, take departures control/hardpoint and make suggestions of how to improve them abd then develop act on it. Let's make these cool makes playa ke competitively instead of having cool maps that a shite and don't work....
me and my boys played trei at 7 am after a 24 hour coke fulled gb session ( we was top 5 on squads ladder) and trei served us the L that made us go to sleep gg
@@bigcat_15him thinking OpTic is more capable of clutching up in a GF than FaZe and even telling Rab and Trei to stop making excuses (then immediately making up the excuse that Dashy & Pred just didn’t do well) took me out. Good takes all around until then.
Why is everyone saying the slasher move is insane or something? One of the ar's had to go and I don't think there was an obvious answer considering their terrible snd record. Asim gone is insane though, snoopy has to just go back to challengers for a bit. Penta and beans in is fine though, asim should offset the beans comms at least a little bit, unlike snoopy
@@jonathandeman9051I think if you have a notorious bad communicator (snoopy), and you're considering a notorious bad communicator (beans) you need someone who's going to lock in a strong game plan and system (slasher) priestahh probably has equal coms like you said but slasher has the pedigree of establishing strong systems if the pieces are right around him, priestahh has the pedigree of filling in the gaps of a team (extremely effectively) but not necessarily at team strategy/game plans
@@jonathandeman9051 that's fair, I don't think there was a move that feels right for them in all honesty. Drop priestahh he won 3x last year, drop snoop and it's three old vets doing a friendship cheese, drop Asim it's the same as major1. Drop slasher you dropped a proven leader. There was no winning but they DEFINITELY needed to make a choice and go with it
bro standy is good enough to be inthe league and deserves to be. So happy he finally got off of Legion showing it can be done... NOW GET TEMP ON A TEAM TOO. HE WAS A TOP 4 FLEX LAST YEAR
dashy is right. him and pred didn't play very well and they still barely lost the respawns. yea you might not get another 1.18 out of kenny in the next GF but if dashy and pred play up to their level then kenny doesnt need to drop a 1.18. i think optic understands the mind set they need to have. they know they need to be better, but they also know they can absolutely beat faze. they got unlucky that simp/abezy played the best cod they've played in years together on that day. if simp/abezy play the way they played against Theives/Subliners then i absolutely think optic win that final. sometimes players just have an incredible series and there isnt shit you can do about it. but to act like optic shouldnt look at that series realistically is crazy. they've got kenny and karma, they arent going to get complacent like they might have in years past.
Preach, u needa take Aces spot on this panel. Plz I'll become a member if Ace wasn't on this ruining it w every take.. as if he isn't a gold 3 player talking about cod knowledge like he has any.. I hate when cod bums talk ahit about players who would 1v4 ace If there was 4 aces lmao
This is where I disagree optic played great but faze played better you can’t say that if simp and Abezy played worse and dashy and pred better that optic would’ve won cuz that’s just a what if at that point and you could say that about any final if these two players did better they would’ve won yes but they didn’t cuz you can make argument that mc will play better than Kenny next time which again is just a what if and optic hasn’t beaten faze the what 4 or 5 times they’ve played so can’t say it’s unlucky cuz that many times it’s not luck no more faze has just been better so far and that doesn’t mean optic can’t win cuz it’s been close but they simply haven’t 4 or 5 times and to say they only won cuz Abe and simp popped off is kinda brain dead
@@XadjustmentXwe can play that game too optic hasn’t won in literal years optic since cdl has only won twice if you count huntsman shotzzy and dashy as duo only won once and been to like 3 or 4 finals people try to disrespect simp and Abe when all the other teams technically in worse spot consistently in finals vanguard only year they didn’t win mean whole optic consistently not in finals only year they won o guess what the year faze wasn’t winning
Obviously scrap to optic would be insane but they don’t get better. Optic doesn’t need more kills. Kenny is the perfect piece for this roster. Just wait on it 👀🤫
I think Cell underperforming is what let FaZe win.. if you notice there's so many GF MC drops a 1.3+ in and they lose... the one time he doesnt.. they win, so.... yea i think cell needs to play like that everytime now.
Rab is just a Simp and Abezy hater. Scump got 1 ring if Simp and Abezy(who play in the most talented era) get 3 then he still is below him. Lay off the white powder. Those 2 honestly already pasted Scump. They are racing to get Crim, Karma, and Clay
Faze wins one event and people forget that they have been silver surfers since Cold War, who’s to say they will keep up this dominate play individually all year if they haven’t played like that since Cold War.
The league needs to go. Make it similar to Halo. 2k and 5k weekend tourneys for pool play seeds (top 12) with 4 pool play spots coming from open bracket tourney on the weekend on the major. The top 8 teams at the end of the year are the partner teams and get to make skins etc for revenue. Would fix this issue of pro not being in the league. If they're good enough they'll make it higher through the bracket/into pool play.
The whole buy in was a scam and no reason for anyone who wants a team to be forced to show they can produce 200 million dollars… no one the league hasn’t even made that in few years of running so far off if the CDL & many teams are bleeding money rn
Optic is making that guarunteed. But ik they're the only ones. But, without scump probably not. There's a reason scump doesn't talk about how much money he makes bc its millions a year just from twitch. Let alone sponsors and what optic pays him.
Mehhh idk asim wasn’t the problem, but his ceiling is absolutely the lowest. I wouldn’t say it’s an L. ANY of them could have been dropped and it would have been fine. You say dropping Austin will hurt their SND, THEIR SND WAS SHIT EVEN WITH HIM! I like the risk taking tbh, it might backfire, but we’ll see
Draz and keeks are like if you gave 2 trailer park lovers $500k a year to fk around with. Both incredibly insufferable individuals bound together by the miraculous fact that one of them is making half a mil a year lmao
And a kid I feel sorry for that his parents are addicted to drama. When I hear keeks in the crowd makes me wanna buy a ticket for me n my girl so she can Molly whop her quiet
OpTic did get beat.......by Simp. I'm an OpTic fan, but hats off to Chris Lehr. He was final boss, and I even got mad but was impressed when he started getting hot. Less than standard, but you can't delve on it all the time. Ggs FaZe, and great show.
Fazes subs took turns upper cutting their entire team was gunning. Sometimes they’re absolutely going to do that to you. Optic takeaways I think they clearly improved this stage like Kenny’s teams generally do, they need to keep grinding. To me I think they’re day to day in S&D ya never know what your getting it just feels shaky at times, HP they gotta keep expanding map pool. Control I hate as a game type but they’re good at it
What Ace was saying about expansion and top heavy whatever is absolutely stupid lol. Sounds like a guy who took a few college classes and trying to apply some theory to this and it has no relevance haha. I think the biggest thing is that more teams would give higher chances of young up and comers getting a chance. Every year we get a few rookies who never got the chance and sure some don't stick but some do. You add more teams and that's more chances. There's only so many spots on the T4 teams so eventually it'll get to 5, 6, 7, etc. teams with great talent. He's acting like the T4 teams would just somehow buy the new talent even if they have 4 and those new guys will just chill on the bench lmao. Makes no sense.
That comment from dashy is such classic optic. Just seeking comfort and making excuses. When the faze, Toronto, and New York guys lose it feels like it’s everything to them and they take it personally. When optic lose its like “well you know this happened that happened so I feel good about our chances” If Kenny can’t turn that around for these guys it’s legitimately never going to happen.
Absolutely. The reason the dynasty did so well was bc Formal&Crim didn’t accept empty excuses. Scump is my GOAT, but he had a bad habit of making these type of excuses as well. It’s a mentality/culture issue that stifles improvement
Kenny is there because who else could they get? He is holding them back however I feel like it’s not his skill it’s how he feels with the team or like how he aligns with the team . We need a heavier slayer to get the dub we really do here Cheers
Also I feel like optic will not beat faze here because they are just not as good as them straight up they need however I feel like if optic was able to win a tournament. This was the one to win as they were peaking it felt . I feel like they need like a crazy leader / slayer type player that creates a solid structure or leads the pack slightly I feel? Like Cellium is like that for faze however I do feel like they are close just not close enough I feel like to beat faze or ultra (or did they beat ultra I forgot?) cheers
That would make for an interesting roster mania. If optic were to trade dashy one year for scrape especially is interesting but dashy been with gree wall forever I don't think they would ever trade best friends with everyone there . For optic it's tough now for them to trade anyone to many great players on one team just like faze ain't getting rid of tiny terrors any time soon ethier too many great players on team All top 4 it's hard for them to trade if they were too ?
1:27:22 can we talk about how bad hardpoint plays on these maps, rotating at 60?!? For reference in Bo2 when karma was LITERALLY dropping a 27 kill streak in Yemen HP NV was up 100 points, hardpoint,spawns,and rotations are SO BAD that the games are more competitive because the spawns just make it mixy, or the team that rotates can nearly guarantee a full 60 on these hills in Narnia even if they have my grandmother on main AR, this game is chalked, get all the 2009 maps out, bring in legacy hp maps and waterboard the dev team that invented these spawns
yes Faze are always locked cuz there are some weeks when Faze's cdl players arent streaming on twitch but they are Scrimming and focusing on the important matches to get them into winners bracket. As for Optic their players are streaming almost everyday or doing content for their youtube when they should be Focusing on their important matches during the online qualifiers.
If illey was off the bean, and behind the scenes had to get clean, is that the only reason he was frying the way he was?? So if he isn’t Pilley anymore and is just iLley then wtf does that mean?
He's just as good, prolly better without that. The pill is a confidence boost, players will tell you it actually doesn't make you better, makes you think your better that's all.
@@kontro11a idk. Have you ever heard of state dependent learning? I’ve unfortunately suffered from substance abuse in the past, and through that I’ve learned that skills that you master/learn while under the influence of a certain substance, can only be reproduced while under the influence of said substance. And I’ve seen and experienced a lot of examples of this. So if he’s been doing this since the beginning, he’s become dependent on that state. Trust me I know a lot abt addiction and substance abuse. So it definitely is a valid question
im with rab on the boston moves. no one was safe. dropping asim after only on one stage is crazy. Keeping snoopy is the right move. He has the highest ceiling and maybe its just a matter of letting the guy figure it out. imagine if empire dropped shottzy before he finally got better
@@kontro11a ya you definitely missed the point. I never said snoopy would be shottzy.Im just saying it takes some people time to adjust to the cdl. Obviously he is very skilled, but he will need time to develop
If the recent 2 titles are anything it's that "obj" is a mindset more than a role, and anybody can play any role. That's not to say sub scrap in and have him play like dashy has been, but the "roles" in cod are alot more flexible then people pretend
@@yusufabdoolla5919 I mean they'll definitely win a series, we have 8 bum ass teams in the league. But to win on a tournament Sunday I agree very unlikely
I think Ace completely missed the point of what dashy said. Abe and simp don’t go as nuclear if Brandon/AG play to their own standard. He wasn’t mentioning that they just wouldn’t be as locked on any given Sunday. Just simply stated if he and ag play better they likely win some maps, not even necessarily win.
Also zero/ace saying "they do this every Sunday" literally 2 Sundays in 3 titles faze have played like the best team in the venue. Once in mw2 and once in mw3, optic put in a little more emphasis on finding the right kills and they win half those respawns
@@Temqtatixn yea I think people grasp too strongly to the k/d's in that matchup, faze have won nearly every respawn, and generally been much more clutch in crunch times of maps which is obvious going to result in extremely skewed kill death ratios. That being said almost all the hardpoints have been 50 or less points differentials, when people pretend optic can never beat them it's INSANELY faded haha
Were the boys talkin' some YAPANESE this ep?
Cdl needs a salary cap? Not per player but per team like nfl/nba? Say $500k/yr on salary?
On average, one player's salary on a T4 team currently exceeds the entire budget of a bottom team. Don't think a salary cap is the way to go, but it's definitely top heavy
Bro all dashy said was if they played better it woulda prolly put faze in tougher positions where someone might not drop a 14 kill streak and fry as much... they lost by a small margin in that game after going down 100 to start.. if anything it should make them feel like if we don't start off the maps like shit they win by 100.. ?? Yall take things way outta context and Ace is just a hater.. imagine that. Lives shit talk.. guess if dashy came out talkin shit Ace would suck him off like he did Scrap when they got beat by the team he's talkin shit about. Stop the Bias it's weird. N if ur not soft ull leave this up, but yes speaking clown ass yapanese for sure
2 minutes in yall just keep yapping?
What exactly did you think the goal was?
Idk who this guy Ace is, but listening to him is like listening to Ben j Nissam of the flank just yapping but not saying shit
Thinking the same thing
Drazah has got to be one of the most cringey people on the planet. That man is too much of a clown to be the villain.
I don’t like being a hater, but Ace just drives me nuts in these. Ice cold takes & bad jokes paired with a loud voice is just an L for me. Id like to see him take a more serious tone like Rab & Zero.
Edit: the snoopy take at 47 mins was perfect, love to see him more like that in these episodes. 100p agree with his point too
“I’m mr.kd doesn’t mean he everything”😂😂😂😂
Bad takes but I think he’s quite funny to be fair.
Someone disagree with him and they’re faded for having an opinion his tone be weird sometimes
He’s just a yapaholic
@@sartyy2069and you’re eat-your-mentally-ill-god-olic
Only thing weird about the drama is that scrap is far and away the best player on his team, and drazah is the worst on his. It’s not really two juggernauts going at each other, drazah just has a big mouth lol
Everyones ego gets COLLOSAL when they join faze. Arcitys was flipping off the crowd and dropping f bombs in interviews. Slasher was saying "I taught them how to play". And now draz is tossing money around on stream, and mocking orgs for being their CEO. Now 2/3 of them are at rock bottom of the league, as soon as theres a slip up faze will dump him to the curb, he'll fall down the ladder until he's apologizing for being a dumbass
Love the pod keep it up yall trei had me dying “why is draz flexing money like Scrap ain’t got P too?”😂
I'm glad there was some realistic judgement of Boston. Hearing Doug try and cover dropping their two best players was faded. By the way Trei, random question. Do you think the latter half of your career would have been different if you won back-to-back tournaments in IW? You honestly should have beaten LG both times so I'm wondering if that would have changed your career and future teams moving forward.
I think the slasher move could have gone either way, they had to drop one of the ar's. Preston had a bit better stats this split, the question is if they value Slasher's intangibles, evidently they didn't
Ace looks the best because he's the only one who didn't eat beans and toast for breakfast
But did he eat the black pudding?
Cell did not have a bad major he frys every event 😂
We need 16 teams, make majors open to the top 16 challangers aswell and do it right
these get me through work lets gooooooo
I said arcitys prestinni and gunless back together last week😂 would love to see it
Kennys like formal the way they turn up to lan. Hope Kenny keeps it up for the rest if the LAN games.
We have Invasion and Subbase in the map pool and Trei said seriously Skidrow should get taken out? Because of a bad P2... this is just lost. Skidrow has at least real spawns. If i wouldnt know it better, i would think he never had played those maps...
arcitys is a legend
Listen, nuggets are people with no arms or legs.
It has its own category on the hub. 😂😂😂
Daniel, you know yap 🤝
Appreciate you
Disagree w Asim being mid heavily. I definitely think he’s similar to a Hicksy, quality gap filler who just hasn’t been put on the best teams imo.
He lifts everyone on his team. Players and headless chickens like Snoopy make it harder for everyone else despite the higher KD or whatever
Or create competitive maps around specific venues and companies and run the Hard rock tabs up 🎉 #Whatbookie ?
As an Australian, thanks for translating Ace
“I dunno cause keeks is team natural so she’s not roided up like scraps girl is” 😂😂😂
My issue with Exceed is that no one deserves anything in life. If you work hard enough and Become undeniable like rab said then you might be given an opportunity. Exceed thinks just because he wins challengers and is a good player that he has to be given an opportunity when in reality he doesn’t have to be given anything. He is extremely entitled and some orgs look at conversations like these on podcasts and can decide not to given him an opportunity solely based on his entitlement as a player. Most players that are trying to go pro in challengers never even get ONE shot at the league like Exceed did, sometimes all you get is ONE shot and if you don’t impress then it is what it is. He needs to humble himself.
I personally would’ve kept vivid and just brought in Illey this teams gonna be slow slow slow unless Lynnz starts flying
If ace was the GM of faze and they didnt win champs he'd drop abezy for asim
Tbh i would take vista hp in instead of Subbase and would take departures in at least for 2 modes instead of 2 modes invasion. If not all 3 invasion modes cause of the snd wallbang spots. This map isnt playable in all 3 modes. Not with this wallbangs, not with this spawns and not if you dont want to die because of boringness during watching a control.
Rab in top form
Rab's burner is just baRcaT
bro wtf do yall want dashy to say lmao he said they played like shit so hes confident moving froward, do you want him to just say "ah man looks like we wont get another shot damn"
Trei talks like he’s barred out
I think whichever team out of NY/Faze/Optic dont win champs the other 2 are attempting appropriately an $800k+ buyout for scrap this off season. That makes me feel like NY is less likely to bid that amount, but i don't see a world where if optic/faze lose champs this year they arent making a blockbuster move for scrap. In this hypothetical ultra are basically in a rebuild/salary dump year if scrap leaves cause i dont think they can easily fill that role
This assumes ultra doesn't win champs too*
Scraps contract is ending this season, isnt it?
@@Painless-_-69 I believe in this year's off-season he's in his "team option" of his contract which to my understanding means they decide if they give him another offer, but if teams are saying "we'll take him and pay this buyout" they have the opportunity to do that too. Not 100% certain tho
Did you get this # from Ace?
@@mkwsoxfan ah ok, thanks. thought he would be free.
I HATE that we are of the opinion that if a map is shit, that's it get rid of it. I HATE that we can't just tweak maps... why can't we, for example, take departures control/hardpoint and make suggestions of how to improve them abd then develop act on it. Let's make these cool makes playa ke competitively instead of having cool maps that a shite and don't work....
me and my boys played trei at 7 am after a 24 hour coke fulled gb session ( we was top 5 on squads ladder) and trei served us the L that made us go to sleep gg
thank you for sharing 🙏 hope you and the boys had some refills for your Coca Colas
Ace is the BenJ of dope check 😂
Only worse takes and thats commendable
Ace is a more faded Benj... that's not right @kontro11a
Yes, getting rid of vets for unproven unseasoned rookies is absolutely commendable. The vets constantly being recycled is part of the problem!!!!
Actually it's dumb af
This group really don’t want FaZe to win huh lol
To bad...they gonna do nothing but win!!!!
FaZe SHHHHLAPPPING EVERYBODY....DONT MATTER!!!!!
Ace faded on the glue argument. 😂
Ace is faded on every argument. It’s getting old. Walmart Aches
@@bigcat_15him thinking OpTic is more capable of clutching up in a GF than FaZe and even telling Rab and Trei to stop making excuses (then immediately making up the excuse that Dashy & Pred just didn’t do well) took me out. Good takes all around until then.
If Asim the glue then it's dissolvable as he's dropped from every roster he's been on.
He's tryna be like aches, and aches is gettin old, so ace started off old. If anyones replaceable is Ace on this podcast 😂
Why is everyone saying the slasher move is insane or something? One of the ar's had to go and I don't think there was an obvious answer considering their terrible snd record. Asim gone is insane though, snoopy has to just go back to challengers for a bit. Penta and beans in is fine though, asim should offset the beans comms at least a little bit, unlike snoopy
it's not like slasher is an insane igl, his value is mostly out of game imo. Preston's comms are pretty comparable imo
@@jonathandeman9051I think if you have a notorious bad communicator (snoopy), and you're considering a notorious bad communicator (beans) you need someone who's going to lock in a strong game plan and system (slasher) priestahh probably has equal coms like you said but slasher has the pedigree of establishing strong systems if the pieces are right around him, priestahh has the pedigree of filling in the gaps of a team (extremely effectively) but not necessarily at team strategy/game plans
@@mkwsoxfan Yeah, I'm not saying it's the best move, but I guess they think the slasher system isn't working considering the double 12th
@@jonathandeman9051 that's fair, I don't think there was a move that feels right for them in all honesty. Drop priestahh he won 3x last year, drop snoop and it's three old vets doing a friendship cheese, drop Asim it's the same as major1. Drop slasher you dropped a proven leader. There was no winning but they DEFINITELY needed to make a choice and go with it
Glad u aren't a coach 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Can Ace even play cod or is he another Benj 🤔
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@@BreakingPointGG are those silver lobbys 😂
Crimson. 1v1 him next LAN 😂
bro standy is good enough to be inthe league and deserves to be. So happy he finally got off of Legion showing it can be done... NOW GET TEMP ON A TEAM TOO. HE WAS A TOP 4 FLEX LAST YEAR
Bo tf he wasn't 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 they were both trash
I don’t think trei knows how the draft system works in American sports leagues
We will teach him
Trei is a wannabe aches on the flank lmao
dashy is right. him and pred didn't play very well and they still barely lost the respawns. yea you might not get another 1.18 out of kenny in the next GF but if dashy and pred play up to their level then kenny doesnt need to drop a 1.18. i think optic understands the mind set they need to have. they know they need to be better, but they also know they can absolutely beat faze. they got unlucky that simp/abezy played the best cod they've played in years together on that day. if simp/abezy play the way they played against Theives/Subliners then i absolutely think optic win that final. sometimes players just have an incredible series and there isnt shit you can do about it. but to act like optic shouldnt look at that series realistically is crazy. they've got kenny and karma, they arent going to get complacent like they might have in years past.
Preach, u needa take Aces spot on this panel. Plz I'll become a member if Ace wasn't on this ruining it w every take.. as if he isn't a gold 3 player talking about cod knowledge like he has any.. I hate when cod bums talk ahit about players who would 1v4 ace If there was 4 aces lmao
This is where I disagree optic played great but faze played better you can’t say that if simp and Abezy played worse and dashy and pred better that optic would’ve won cuz that’s just a what if at that point and you could say that about any final if these two players did better they would’ve won yes but they didn’t cuz you can make argument that mc will play better than Kenny next time which again is just a what if and optic hasn’t beaten faze the what 4 or 5 times they’ve played so can’t say it’s unlucky cuz that many times it’s not luck no more faze has just been better so far and that doesn’t mean optic can’t win cuz it’s been close but they simply haven’t 4 or 5 times and to say they only won cuz Abe and simp popped off is kinda brain dead
@@jesusesquivel2775 my point remains. simp/abezy havent played THAT well in a grand finals together in literal years.
Yea...guess that's why they won all 5 matchups they have played 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 FaZe AREEE BETTTTTTERRRR
@@XadjustmentXwe can play that game too optic hasn’t won in literal years optic since cdl has only won twice if you count huntsman shotzzy and dashy as duo only won once and been to like 3 or 4 finals people try to disrespect simp and Abe when all the other teams technically in worse spot consistently in finals vanguard only year they didn’t win mean whole optic consistently not in finals only year they won o guess what the year faze wasn’t winning
Obviously scrap to optic would be insane but they don’t get better. Optic doesn’t need more kills. Kenny is the perfect piece for this roster. Just wait on it 👀🤫
Love hearing this from Floptic fans year in and year out" juSt wAtcH" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 we been watching 4 or 5 years now
You guys need more you thumbnails cut outs….seeing the same one everytime is cheesy
Any recs?
I lose Braincells every time ace has a take
They were already gone my guy
Ace is a clown
Fr they gotta swap him out for someone else
This should have more likes than the video
saw your profile pic and made a donation in your honor
I think Cell underperforming is what let FaZe win.. if you notice there's so many GF MC drops a 1.3+ in and they lose... the one time he doesnt.. they win, so.... yea i think cell needs to play like that everytime now.
Dumbest take ive ever seen...if he fries they don't lose a single series that day 😂😂😂😂
The best episode yet :)
Ace on that Muslim cheese.
This is why Ace is Halloumi
Trey is a professional hater
Rab is just a Simp and Abezy hater. Scump got 1 ring if Simp and Abezy(who play in the most talented era) get 3 then he still is below him. Lay off the white powder.
Those 2 honestly already pasted Scump. They are racing to get Crim, Karma, and Clay
Bro ur faded as fuck
FACT
Faze wins one event and people forget that they have been silver surfers since Cold War, who’s to say they will keep up this dominate play individually all year if they haven’t played like that since Cold War.
People remember they have tripled earnings compared to EVERY OTHER TEAM 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
EXACTLY why Drazah wanted to go to FAZE over FLOPTIC!!!! THEY WIN THE MOST MONEY
Faze suck on Sundays whatchu talking ab
But they are major champs...yea they suck 😂😂😂😂😂how if Floptic doing
The league needs to go. Make it similar to Halo.
2k and 5k weekend tourneys for pool play seeds (top 12) with 4 pool play spots coming from open bracket tourney on the weekend on the major. The top 8 teams at the end of the year are the partner teams and get to make skins etc for revenue.
Would fix this issue of pro not being in the league. If they're good enough they'll make it higher through the bracket/into pool play.
Franchising isn't going ANYWHERE!!!! ITS BETTER
First here love the videos!! ❤
@DJChichon u da goat 🐐
The whole buy in was a scam and no reason for anyone who wants a team to be forced to show they can produce 200 million dollars… no one the league hasn’t even made that in few years of running so far off if the CDL & many teams are bleeding money rn
Optic is making that guarunteed. But ik they're the only ones. But, without scump probably not. There's a reason scump doesn't talk about how much money he makes bc its millions a year just from twitch. Let alone sponsors and what optic pays him.
Are u braindead 😂😂😂😂
Mehhh idk asim wasn’t the problem, but his ceiling is absolutely the lowest. I wouldn’t say it’s an L. ANY of them could have been dropped and it would have been fine. You say dropping Austin will hurt their SND, THEIR SND WAS SHIT EVEN WITH HIM! I like the risk taking tbh, it might backfire, but we’ll see
Now it's gonna be WORSE 😂😂😂😂😂
Draz and keeks are like if you gave 2 trailer park lovers $500k a year to fk around with. Both incredibly insufferable individuals bound together by the miraculous fact that one of them is making half a mil a year lmao
And a kid I feel sorry for that his parents are addicted to drama. When I hear keeks in the crowd makes me wanna buy a ticket for me n my girl so she can Molly whop her quiet
Cool story clown 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Priestah is not a good player
Rab is the best for sure not even close
OpTic did get beat.......by Simp. I'm an OpTic fan, but hats off to Chris Lehr. He was final boss, and I even got mad but was impressed when he started getting hot. Less than standard, but you can't delve on it all the time. Ggs FaZe, and great show.
Fazes subs took turns upper cutting their entire team was gunning. Sometimes they’re absolutely going to do that to you. Optic takeaways I think they clearly improved this stage like Kenny’s teams generally do, they need to keep grinding. To me I think they’re day to day in S&D ya never know what your getting it just feels shaky at times, HP they gotta keep expanding map pool. Control I hate as a game type but they’re good at it
Has optic had thier usual complacency take after losing again?
Why does ace, the self proclaimed ‘doesn’t care about kd guy’, always bring up kd to defend his takes 😭
i be watching these at the gym makes cardio go by way faster, thanks boys
The boys do 3 hours of cardio each week 🗣️🗣️🗣️
What Ace was saying about expansion and top heavy whatever is absolutely stupid lol. Sounds like a guy who took a few college classes and trying to apply some theory to this and it has no relevance haha. I think the biggest thing is that more teams would give higher chances of young up and comers getting a chance. Every year we get a few rookies who never got the chance and sure some don't stick but some do. You add more teams and that's more chances. There's only so many spots on the T4 teams so eventually it'll get to 5, 6, 7, etc. teams with great talent. He's acting like the T4 teams would just somehow buy the new talent even if they have 4 and those new guys will just chill on the bench lmao. Makes no sense.
That comment from dashy is such classic optic. Just seeking comfort and making excuses. When the faze, Toronto, and New York guys lose it feels like it’s everything to them and they take it personally. When optic lose its like “well you know this happened that happened so I feel good about our chances” If Kenny can’t turn that around for these guys it’s legitimately never going to happen.
Absolutely. The reason the dynasty did so well was bc Formal&Crim didn’t accept empty excuses. Scump is my GOAT, but he had a bad habit of making these type of excuses as well. It’s a mentality/culture issue that stifles improvement
Kenny is there because who else could they get? He is holding them back however I feel like it’s not his skill it’s how he feels with the team or like how he aligns with the team . We need a heavier slayer to get the dub we really do here Cheers
Also I feel like optic will not beat faze here because they are just not as good as them straight up they need however I feel like if optic was able to win a tournament. This was the one to win as they were peaking it felt . I feel like they need like a crazy leader / slayer type player that creates a solid structure or leads the pack slightly I feel? Like Cellium is like that for faze however I do feel like they are close just not close enough I feel like to beat faze or ultra (or did they beat ultra I forgot?) cheers
Ace needs a time limit on talking lmao, cut off zero and rab too much XD
Trei will forever be the winner
Love the detail you guys go into on this show. Keep it up gentleman.
Thanks for watching! @judejeffress260
"they have not got a single Scooby-Doo over there" lmfaooo
That would make for an interesting roster mania. If optic were to trade dashy one year for scrape especially is interesting but dashy been with gree wall forever I don't think they would ever trade best friends with everyone there .
For optic it's tough now for them to trade anyone to many great players on one team just like faze ain't getting rid of tiny terrors any time soon ethier too many great players on team
All top 4 it's hard for them to trade if they were too ?
It’s always felt so forced from draz, the persona he’s trying to play doesn’t seem natural for him at all. It comes off corny asf.
1:27:22 can we talk about how bad hardpoint plays on these maps, rotating at 60?!? For reference in Bo2 when karma was LITERALLY dropping a 27 kill streak in Yemen HP NV was up 100 points, hardpoint,spawns,and rotations are SO BAD that the games are more competitive because the spawns just make it mixy, or the team that rotates can nearly guarantee a full 60 on these hills in Narnia even if they have my grandmother on main AR, this game is chalked, get all the 2009 maps out, bring in legacy hp maps and waterboard the dev team that invented these spawns
yes Faze are always locked cuz there are some weeks when Faze's cdl players arent streaming on twitch but they are Scrimming and focusing on the important matches to get them into winners bracket. As for Optic their players are streaming almost everyday or doing content for their youtube when they should be Focusing on their important matches during the online qualifiers.
Generational ep by tacrab. That man was 👨🍳👨🍳 it tf up. Love it.
First time tuning idk about this stocksmen dude bro doesn’t know cod fr
Ace=Zinni=benJ
Just saying they’re all stupid
Great show again fellas ❤️
Appreciate you!!!
Attach for skyz would make nysl 10x better. And honestly makes them top 2
Dashy for Scrap is faded. Kenny for Scrap is what needs to happen
Trey thinks cus he’s an ex pro he knows all. Shits annoying.
Clearly Rab looks the best. Not even a contest.
Trei and Rab are the best bro, getting to hear rab outside of the 10 min videos is great. Ace. Keep trying !
Not the "keep trying" cheese 😭
Appreciate you!
Not ace plz just give up already
Ace argues the dumbest shit
Bro ace has the most faded takes and if anyone disagrees he just argues til rab and trei just quit talking lmaooo☠️
The endurance method 😂
Bro, Alec improving his KD doesn’t matter, his mental is in the bin.
Ace didn't even ask Drazah if he wanted to use both hands.......
Funny Arcitys can’t take any fault in playing poorly
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WOPE CHECK
WOREY
For who looks the best I got some awards
Rab: Most Swagger
Ace: Best Dressed
Trei: Shark from Shark Tales
It's... LENNY!!!!
5 players on the ‘top four’ teams weren’t in the ‘top four’ last season ..
If illey was off the bean, and behind the scenes had to get clean, is that the only reason he was frying the way he was?? So if he isn’t Pilley anymore and is just iLley then wtf does that mean?
He's just as good, prolly better without that. The pill is a confidence boost, players will tell you it actually doesn't make you better, makes you think your better that's all.
@@kontro11a idk. Have you ever heard of state dependent learning? I’ve unfortunately suffered from substance abuse in the past, and through that I’ve learned that skills that you master/learn while under the influence of a certain substance, can only be reproduced while under the influence of said substance. And I’ve seen and experienced a lot of examples of this. So if he’s been doing this since the beginning, he’s become dependent on that state. Trust me I know a lot abt addiction and substance abuse. So it definitely is a valid question
@@kontro11a just look up “state dependent learning or state dependent memory”
I miss Austin and Lionman😢
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I like trei but he has this fetal alcohol vibe ace is annoying lion man was goated Mac also in a different way
W Nugget!
im with rab on the boston moves. no one was safe. dropping asim after only on one stage is crazy. Keeping snoopy is the right move. He has the highest ceiling and maybe its just a matter of letting the guy figure it out. imagine if empire dropped shottzy before he finally got better
Thanks for the comment
Yeah but assuming snoopy will be the next shottzy is crazy.. never been a player like shottzy, prolly never will be.
@@kontro11a ya you definitely missed the point. I never said snoopy would be shottzy.Im just saying it takes some people time to adjust to the cdl. Obviously he is very skilled, but he will need time to develop
Bottzy is still a bot though 😂😂😂😂😂
Ace hasnt ever got an Ace in his life change ur name
got a 1v4 literally today
Draz forgets he’s literally from Alaska & is most definitely NOT like that. He’s entertaining but on the surface he comes off as an insecure cornball.
Scrap would scrap him up and send him back to the dentist to spend his winning to fix his fake teeth
Drazah would DESTROYYYYYYYY Scrap.. wtf are u talking about 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he is 3 times the size of that lil girl
@@kontro11aScrap couldn't whoop a single person in the league 😂😂😂 GTFOH
It would definitely make more sense to trade Ken for Scrap, Dashy is the obj for OpTic, Scrap is a slayer not an obj player
If the recent 2 titles are anything it's that "obj" is a mindset more than a role, and anybody can play any role. That's not to say sub scrap in and have him play like dashy has been, but the "roles" in cod are alot more flexible then people pretend
Except for the fact that that’s delusional
Ken for scrap optic will never win any series
@@yusufabdoolla5919 I mean they'll definitely win a series, we have 8 bum ass teams in the league. But to win on a tournament Sunday I agree very unlikely
Why would Toronto trade Scrap for anyone?
I think Ace completely missed the point of what dashy said. Abe and simp don’t go as nuclear if Brandon/AG play to their own standard. He wasn’t mentioning that they just wouldn’t be as locked on any given Sunday. Just simply stated if he and ag play better they likely win some maps, not even necessarily win.
Also zero/ace saying "they do this every Sunday" literally 2 Sundays in 3 titles faze have played like the best team in the venue. Once in mw2 and once in mw3, optic put in a little more emphasis on finding the right kills and they win half those respawns
Dashy averages like a .8 in 21 maps against faze this year, he’s faded
@@Temqtatixn yea I think people grasp too strongly to the k/d's in that matchup, faze have won nearly every respawn, and generally been much more clutch in crunch times of maps which is obvious going to result in extremely skewed kill death ratios. That being said almost all the hardpoints have been 50 or less points differentials, when people pretend optic can never beat them it's INSANELY faded haha
@@Temqtatixnwell of course his kd is going to be low especially when they’ve lost nearly every respawn.
Yea...thats USUALLY HOW U WIN!!! 😂😂😂THE TEAM THAT PLAYS BEST WINS...ROCKET SCIENCE
I want whatever the fuck ace smokes
haram
@@TheStocksmen all love tho my man ❤️