Like I said before, bands like The Clash did the same thing. Are they not punk? Punk does not necessarily mean a style of music. Songs like Bad Religion's "Honest Goodbye", The Ramones's "Baby I Love You", and The Clash's "London Calling" are all "pop songs". All 3 of those bands have gone on to experiment outside of traditional punk quite a bit, and we still think of them as punk bands. If Green Day isn't punk, then by that logic, bands like Ramones and The Clash aren't punk either.
Green Day is okay, but nothing compared to NOFX. If NOFX got the attention that Green Day gets the music world would be a better place. NOFX has been on tour and rockin' longer than the Ramones did. Nothing against the Ramones, they rocked, but all their songs sounded the same. But I gotta pay homage to The Ramones, for in my opinion they were the first real punk rock band. Some people say Iggy Pop and The Stooges were the first, but I wouldn't call Iggy real punk.
Green Day are just 3 years newer than NOFX. And musically, there isn't too much difference between them. I can assure you that because I am a fan of both those bands. PS: Ramones were pop punk.
Iggy cut himself up, invented the stage dive and the music was raw, gritty and a heavy influence on punk rock and the bands that would follow, They were completely different for their time.
Punk refers to the inviduality of the person, not the uniqueness of the music or the clothes. The Clash were punks, but their songs are very different the way punk music is generalized to sound. The Clash adhered to very little of the "rules" that the punk movement upheld. They were in the mainstream, their music was largely radio-friendly, etc. But were they punk? I certainly think so. You don't have to play music that's hardcore or wear a leather jacket to be a punk.
liam, i have many friends who still play yearly shows for their local fans and work day jobs on the side, some even tried to change their sound to such a degree they got labeled sell outs, but nothing compared to a band like green day...
P.S. 21st Century Breakdown is HARDLY pop. When I think of pop, I think of fucking Kesha and Justin Bieber. Green Day, musically, fits under the categories of rock, alternative rock, pop-punk and, as I've been saying all this time, straight-up punk rock.
So I have nothing against Green Day and, on the grounds of aesthetics, I like them as I like The Offspring, Descendents and a few other pop punk bands. But with the increasing success of this subgenre, punk went back to its state of popular consumerist music. Pop punk bands don't care anyting but playing the music they love in front of a huge audience and making money. And this is NOT punk if you consider punk as an ethic. punk shouldn't be just a form of mindless happy music.
The story about Billie Joe Armstrong with the Mexican drug hostage situation is actually in the NOFX autobiography they just released. It was back when Smelly still did a lot of drugs. After Smelly got clean, Green Day opened for NOFX, shortly after Dookie came out. Smelly was backstage with Billie Joe, who Smelly noticed seemed scared of him. Smelly asked why, and Billie said they had used him as a hostage last time they saw him. Smelly laughed and apologized, assuring him that he was sober now and had no recollection of that being Billie Joe.
Wasn't it a bit different though? Like Smelly and his buddy stole a van and drove it around a town recklessly, strung out and drunk as fuck, slamming thrash cans in the way. Then they noticed that someone was in the back of the van and they let him go cause he was scared shitless. That guy later turned out to be Billie Joe.
@Lex of course mate if you want to call Metallica (back in the day) Iron maiden, black sabbath, deep purple , led zeppelin shit go ahead. Actually do you even know who these bands are?
Law of numbers says that at least one 12 year kid got into NOFX (and The Flatliners) because they’re fans of Green Day (Billie Joe Armstrong) and blink-182 (Matt Skiba) and never heard of NOFX but now saw this video and understands how big of a deal Fat Mike and NOFX are to be doing cocaine with Billie Joe and Matt Skiba with Mexican gangsters in Hollywood hahahaha That’s awesome.
Whether things are punk or not is the most boring conversation ever. If you like something, listen to it. If you don't, don't. End. And ironically it's hugely elitist, which is kind of the exact opposite point of punk. Punk was originally just about making music that was fun and exciting after prog had turned everything into overblown self-important pseudo-intellectual boring hippie shite.
***** i listen to all kinds of stuff like x and green day and old man markley and david bowie and black flag and johnny cash because i listen to what i think is GOOD not what i think is punk
***** I am always available for hugs. Don't get me wrong, I love punk (and the punk that even the scene-Nazis like - Crass, Amebix, blah blah blah). It's just.. well, in the words of Jello Biafra in "Chickenshit Conformist": Punk's not dead It just deserves to die When it becomes another stale cartoon A close-minded, self-centered social club Ideas don't matter, it's who you know If the music's gotten boring It's because of the people Who want everyone to sound the same Who drive bright people out Of our so-called scene 'Til all that's left Is just a meaningless fad Hardcore formulas are dogshit Change and caring are what's real Is this a state of mind Or just another label The joy and hope of an alternative Have become its own cliche A hairstyle's not a lifestyle Imagine Sid Vicious at 35 Who needs a scene Scared to love and to feel Judging everythng By loud fast rules appeal Who played last night? "I don't know, I forgot. But diving off the stage Was a lot of fun."
I always found it ironic how punks consider a band a sellout when they sign to a major label yet five of the biggest and original....The Stooges, New York Dolls, The Ramones, The Clash, Sex Pistols...all released their debut and every album on a MAJOR LABEL. There are countless other old punk bands that have also released albums through major labels from X to Bad Religion. In the end if the music is good, the fuck cares what the label is. As long as the band is 1. Making good music 2. Honest about the music they made and doesn't let a label change who they are...what does it matter? Punk was mainstream since DAY 1. Major labels flocked to C.B.G.B. looking to sign whoever they could. The Pistols were signed to a few majors before putting out their debut album. Even held a PUBLIC contract signing.
+greenday103921guns I'm pretty sure they're talking about the bass player playing in the video (listen closely), as this video was probably filmed during a show. Maybe it's the supporting act playing :)
"I've been playing punk for over 30 years now, and I've still never really been able to figure out what it is." -Greg Graffin (Bad Religion) There is no firm definition for punk. All the criteria for what makes someone punk is different for just about everyone. And the select criteria that actually manages to be more commonplace in many people's definition of punk (e.g. punk bands can't be mainstream, wear make-up, etc.) usually end up sounding pretty hypocritical and full of shit.
Lyrically, most of their songs fit into the genre too. Plus, the band members are all involved in underground punk projects as well. For example, Billie Joe is the frontman for Pinhead Gunpowder, Mike Dirnt plays bass for The Frustators, and Tre Cool used to play The Lookouts and is currently considering starting a reformation.
I reject the idea that there's a culture around a genre of music. Punk rock doesn't suddenly become 'pop' the moment it makes money. If it sounds like Jazz, it _is_ Jazz. If it sounds like classical, it _is_ classical. If it sounds like Rock, it _is_ rock. "Selling out" doesn't automatically change the sound of a band.
People call Green Day sellouts and shit. Not just Green Day either. Actual great, legendary bands like Smashing Pumpkins, etc. People don't realize that "selling out" is just what happens when you get famous. It's okay to sign to a record company. It's okay to make money off your hard work. All these punk elitists don't get that, and they piss me off.
I agree with you. The point of starting a band is to get your message or creative expression to as big of an audience as possible. However, if signing with a record company means that you have to give up any creative control then I would say that's selling out.
Jason Bock You should check out the next few albums after Dookie: Insomniac and Nimrod. They're great and don't stray too far from their original sound. I mean, Nimrod does in some places, but Insomniac is rawer than Dookie.
Green Day were writing PUNK songs before they got popular, and Dookie, despite it's unexpected sucess (and believe me, it WAS unexpected) is a PUNK album. They've actually never written a whole lot of songs that one would consider "pop". And even if they had, that's not necesarilly a bad thing. The Clash wrote a lot of "pop" songs and most people still think they're punk. And just like them, Green Day got famous off of playing punk songs, and later experimented with other styles of music. :P
The fact that some people hate Green Day so much, just makes them more punk to me. Sorry they're not your version of punk. Isn't punk about saying, "fuck you" and doing your thing? I don't care how good or bad you are, if you like it, rock on guys.
@@imnothonestbutyoureinteresting Revolution Radio, yes, was heavily critical of Trump on a couple songs. Father of All Motherfuckers contains barely more than a few momentary hints of sociopolitical outrage. Also, political critique does not automatically equal propaganda.
Both bands are rockandroll with some punk more influence and some metal too... they like each others and have respect for them. Two great bands that we should be proud to still have on the road
Green Day has always written songs about a variety of topics, including media overload and its impact on our culture, self-identidy, social archetypes, mortality, what it means to have artistic integrity, etc. And they've always wanted to spread their messages to the masses. But unfortunately, you need money to do that. So it makes sense to make 1 or 2 records in that familiar punk style that everybody loved, so that you'd have money leftover to be able to make the records that YOU want to make.
I agree, the link and the album associated with it is definitely an answer to the common question. Personally, i feel they've gone through stages in life, the last one that they left was arena rock, and before that was about 12 years of being a simple punk band that got too much attention. not sure where they are now, it's too soon to decide, plus i dunno if they'll still do BIG rock albums.
How can there still be blues artists when the blues movement was over 60 years ago. Music is timeless, man. Punk is no exception. There will always be something that needs opposing. Something that needs to be spoken up against.
Just because Green Day experiments with new styles of music every couple of albums or so, that doesn't mean that they're doing so in order to appeal to a wider audience. You have to remember that Billie Joe likes a variety of music from hardcore punk, to hair metal, to college rock, and even musicals. And under their old independent label, they would've never been able to play music outside of the punk genre. (to be continued)
Green Day used to sound really punk like Insomniac album and the basket song, but then they got famous and they started playing shit, then the emos came, and oh god that was an episode, it was just like a scary movie about how to turn punk into just shit, not even sellout shit, just shit, and nowadays they don't even have fans in the audience just some random peeps who want to see some MTV crap....
None of these bands are punk. Punk died in 1979. What came after was exactly what Johnny Rotten talked about, copy cats. Rather than being inspired by 77' punk, they tried to copy it note for not, eventually morphing it into a uniform sound, look, and mentality. However, if you want real copy cat punk, nobody on Hellcat, Epitaph, Fat Records, Lookout, or Kung-Fu Records fits that description. GBH (not Charged GBH), Varukers, Anti-Nowhere League...these are real bands from that era. NOFX and all this other shit is just fast paced pop music with mall kids who think it is cool to spike their hair and pretend they are teenagers when they are in their 40's.
West Is Best The people who spike their hair don't know what punk is. They should be considered retarded. Punk isn't about image. I do think there are still some punk-ish bands around, but they just don't get the recognition they deserve.
VibratorPolice If you identify yourself as "punk", I feel you've missed the point. The point isn't too pigeon hole yourself. If you've ever heard of the Wipers, they fit this description. Everybody called them "punk", yet they said they hated that term and rejected it. If you look at bands today, even on the most underground, where you will only find their records at your local indie record shop in one or two cities, they pigeon hole themselves into living up to a certain stereotype. In the case of bands like NOFX and their lot, they are far worse than underground bands. They think they are hardcore and rebellious if they say "fuck" a lot and where mall-friendly skulls. It has become such a joke that even moms think it is cute when their 14 year old kids spike their hair and go to a punk show. But if you look at the Sex Pistols, they had a definite reason and time. John Lydon was the son of Irish immigrants, so the problems in Northern Ireland hit home for him. There were strikes going on all over the UK in the 70's because the economy was beginning to fail as a result of economic policies taken after World War 2. To them, it was not about cute teenage rebellion. They dealt with real issues. That is why I say punk was born and died with the Sex Pistols. Everything else is just silly, bubble gum pop teenage rebellion and copy cat bands, whether it is Black Flag, Minor Threat, or NOFX and Rancid.
a band only sells out when they play what the record label wants them and stop making the albums they want to make. THATS IT. how is making money off a thing you love bad in any way? these dudes were broke as hell for years and they paid their dues. pay them NOW.
Oh yeah, I forgot about 1,039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. That's a great comp. I'm surprised to see that someone else has heard of Citizen Fish other than me. It's hard to talk about old Gilman St. punk bands like Crimpshrine or Neurosis or Sewer Trout without people just being completely unaware of what I'm talking about. By the way, even when Green Day had become famous off of Dookie, the price you had to pay to see them live wasn't much higher than six bucks.
Being honest, I'm punk. I have seen the more obscure politically fueled bands but who doesn't love a bit of pop punk sometimes or a bit of reel big fish.
Green Day is the most successful punk rock band in this genre. They just want to express their music and band. If they get a recording contract to a higher level, it doesn't matter as long as they don't leave criticism and social messages in their songs and the awards they get are as a form of appreciation of people who like Green Day, they are not chasing money, Green Day is just channeling criticism and social messages to levels of society, if someone doesn't like Green Day, that's normal, the most important thing is that NY's creative ideas for voicing social and criticism continue and Billie Joe has a punk soul. Regardless of whether he received an award from his own band, it is a normal form of achievement that you don't need to worry about punk is a way of life in determining the journey of life with our own freedom without restrictive rules (DIY)
they didn't rip those bands off they were influenced. they were kids who loved the music and made their own while emulating their heros but always had their own sound and they soon evolved a lot. and then tom left and they went to shit
why? both bands had real grass root and edgy starts, they both became very main stream and their music style changed to go along with it, there are many parallels...don't tell me, you're one of those guys who think the clash is punk rock jesus band or something.
MrDynasty7 nah I don't think the clash is punk Jesus, I just think the comparison between the two is a little not right sounding I guess? Since Green Day has became more of the punk band emo kids go to now to say they're "too punk rock for you"
Everyone and his cat is a fucking expert on weather or not Green day is a punk band, or if they once were, at which album they ceased to be punk. I don't know where Green day sits on the subjective 'Punk-o-meter' in our heads and I couldn't give a shit. No-one one can really define the word 'punk' anyway (beyond it being a popular slur for a 'gay prostitute' in the 1930's :P)
Gill Serrano Insomniac actually sounded way punkier than Kerplunk, But I guess for some, its all about them going from Lookout to Reprise, rather than the actual music. Ahh label junkies.....
Punk isn't just whining about a girl and throwing in some downstrokes. It's really strictly an ethos, especially well after the 'movement' died in the early-mid 80's. Britney Spears is more punk than Green Day ever was and ever will be.
@@edenton2002 its almost like...genres can change and morph throughout 30+ years. The punk of 1980 wasn't the same as 1990. Just like everything...ever.
I don't give a fuck , I'm not Johnny Rotten. You think because I have a picture of him as my profile pic I'm some fucking Sex Pistols fan boy & I'm gonna get all butthurt by what you have to say ? lol
I'm not putting limits on anything or saying Green Day or NOFX aren't punk. I'm saying those bands write song's for a 12 - 16 year old audience , the people that show up to their show's are teenager's and kids with their parents . They aren't really doing anything new or exciting , just being whiney
I am a Green Day fan, started liking them in the mid 90's. Last album I liked was Insomnia, and Kerplunk is very good too. I watched a concert in Germany Green Day did like 4 years ago, when he got to "Basket Case" at the end of the set, no one knew the words. They were jamming out to the later albums, but barely knew the old shit. Just kids everywhere. As a Green Day fan, I gotta agree with Doug on this one, regarding Green Day.
+Kevin C but I don't think Green Day's music is for kids. I think Billie Joe writes great melodies and lyrics. He's no John Lennon or Morrissey but he is good. And both American Idiot and Dookie are two of the best albums of their decades.
nofx refused to sign with big record companies. they turned them down many times. if you didnt know. these dudes are really talented who dont give a shit about what people think or say. true underground punk. greenday is ok but too poppy and i bet they wouldve been less popular than nofx if they never signed.
Edward Gary Nofx are not a household name like GD and they stuck to Indylabels - yes. but they still sold over 6 million albums and there shows will still sell out, So I'd still call that a pretty fucking commercially successful band. NOFX aren't as big a greenday because their more thrashy/hardcore 'sound' is less appealing to most people ears compared to Green days more melodic offerings. Simple as that. GD and NOFX sound very different but both sound pretty good to me personally. Do i give shit how much $$$ they make or who they sign with? no I don't, and why should I? Is this about the music these guys put out? or is it about something else?
raisedfist80 el hefe...nofx's lead guitarist is a way more talented and complex guitar player than billie joe...i like billie joe but he writes extremely simple guitar riffs and parts and i think in general green day's songwriting is far more straightforward than nofx's. nofx writes super fast songs with strong emphasis on hooks and melodies (the reason they are called a melodic hardcore band). el hefes guitar solos on songs like clams have feelings too, pharmacists daughter, or even liza and louise are so much cooler than any that green day have ever done (i know green day arent a big guitar solo band but still...)
raisedfist80 the longest line and the decline are 2 songs by nofx that are so much better than any green day have ever done imo. i could listen to both those songs and never get fucking bored of em....the decline is possibly the best punk song of all time, it's so good it almost makes you cry...and it's fucking 18 minutes long, insane!
raisedfist80 a lot of shitty bands get famous, doesn't mean anything! nickelback and puddle of mudd and blink 182 are much more famous bands then nofx! many of the best bands ever, particularly punk rock bands like the misfits, ramones, the germs, the descendents....none of those incredible bands got famous besides in the punk rock subculture, green day can't hold a fucking candle to any of those bands...
As someone who is actually in a punk band and supports my local punk scene, I find the act of trying to find sense and meaning in my punkhood very vital. If you don't think so, then that's okay. But I know that I'm a punk, and I'm sure as fuck not "doing it wrong". P.S. I'm sorry this reply was so long.
we are not arguing about anyting, just exposing objective parts of the history of punk. Dada and Pop art had a great influence on the development of rock music from '60s to nowdays, but the DIY ethic became preeminent in punk just during the '80s with street punk, anarcho punk and hardcore bands. The punk movement turned out to be something different from another popular music genre created and promoted by capitalism to make money by entertaining the masses, and this is a fact.
You can't scream about oppression, revolution, anarchism and so on while being signed with a Major. So, let me tell you that I don't believe GD when they attack the "American Idiot" and talk about the Jesus of Suburbia, as I dont' believe in Johnny Rotten screaming "I am an Anarchist". One must be consistent with his ideals. "Green Day make the music they love." Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber do it to. But they don't yakety-yak about capitalism while making millions.
Never listened to "Rotten to the Core" by Rudimentary Peni? The mid-70's punk bands have nothing to do with the DIY, anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist mentality of '80s punk. I'm not the authority, I just tell the truth. It's a fact that, during the '80s, punk developed into various subgenres that shared the will to remain underground and to be an alternative to the mainstream scene. Never heard the word "selling out"?
Punk is not just a label. True punk is a form of anti-enstablishment and anti-system art that opposes the capitalistic and consumerist mainstream scene and its business-oriented ethic. Punk bands are not interested in profit and success, they believe in Do It Yourself ethic and try to be consistent with their ideals by refusing corporations and major labels. GD togheter with all crappy pop-punk bands just made punk another futile fashion for the consumerist masses of teenagers.
of course Green Day stated they're not punk anymore but they started as a pop punk band and the common consumer-listener, unaware of what punk ethic and DIY are, will link them to punk for the rest of their career and after.
I presented my oppinion and you presented yours. only differance is i keep it cilvilized and you resort to namecalling. When you grow up you will notice that the world is diverse and most dont thiunk the way you do.
I think Green Day's music in the 90's isn't really Punk, but more like a " Little-Bit-Sweeter-Than-Grunge ". Burn me if I'm wrong, but basically Grunge is between Metal and Punk, and Green Day was basically on the Punk side ( not fully, Insomniac has some light metal ). It seems logic to me 'cause Green Day starts get reconized at the end of the huge Grunge era. Ahhh I love their stuff :).
And I know they said they're not punk anymore but mass media and major distribution still call them "punk" so that the more they sell and go famous, the more people think their music is punk.
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"That guy can tell a 5 minute story in half an hour,"
That should be on a shirt or a poster somewhere.
@Zac Atkinson Hes boring.
I think its a joke because mike barely talks...
or not.......
@Zac Atkinson it means he is talkative
Why are people arguing about whether Green Day is punk, when the real issue is, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED WITH THE MEXICAN GANGSTERS?
right if that is even a true story im wondering if its real or he's just talking nonsense
"That guy can tell a 5 minute story in half an hour" honestly same. My dad calls me Mr. Kimball lmao
I love that Fat Mike and Billy Joe would be 2 of the 100 people that went to see Blake's then new band. :)
Like I said before, bands like The Clash did the same thing. Are they not punk?
Punk does not necessarily mean a style of music. Songs like Bad Religion's "Honest Goodbye", The Ramones's "Baby I Love You", and The Clash's "London Calling" are all "pop songs". All 3 of those bands have gone on to experiment outside of traditional punk quite a bit, and we still think of them as punk bands.
If Green Day isn't punk, then by that logic, bands like Ramones and The Clash aren't punk either.
Green Day is okay, but nothing compared to NOFX. If NOFX got the attention that Green Day gets the music world would be a better place. NOFX has been on tour and rockin' longer than the Ramones did. Nothing against the Ramones, they rocked, but all their songs sounded the same. But I gotta pay homage to The Ramones, for in my opinion they were the first real punk rock band. Some people say Iggy Pop and The Stooges were the first, but I wouldn't call Iggy real punk.
Green Day are just 3 years newer than NOFX. And musically, there isn't too much difference between them. I can assure you that because I am a fan of both those bands.
PS: Ramones were pop punk.
thanks, Ken Burns.
Iggy cut himself up, invented the stage dive and the music was raw, gritty and a heavy influence on punk rock and the bands that would follow, They were completely different for their time.
Good fucking choice on The Flatliners hoodie!
I love both but nofx is actually punk
Punk refers to the inviduality of the person, not the uniqueness of the music or the clothes. The Clash were punks, but their songs are very different the way punk music is generalized to sound. The Clash adhered to very little of the "rules" that the punk movement upheld. They were in the mainstream, their music was largely radio-friendly, etc. But were they punk? I certainly think so.
You don't have to play music that's hardcore or wear a leather jacket to be a punk.
liam, i have many friends who still play yearly shows for their local fans and work day jobs on the side, some even tried to change their sound to such a degree they got labeled sell outs, but nothing compared to a band like green day...
lol. "Matt Skiba was there too".
P.S. 21st Century Breakdown is HARDLY pop. When I think of pop, I think of fucking Kesha and Justin Bieber. Green Day, musically, fits under the categories of rock, alternative rock, pop-punk and, as I've been saying all this time, straight-up punk rock.
I like the one where green day dude gets kidnapped and held hostage
So I have nothing against Green Day and, on the grounds of aesthetics, I like them as I like The Offspring, Descendents and a few other pop punk bands. But with the increasing success of this subgenre, punk went back to its state of popular consumerist music. Pop punk bands don't care anyting but playing the music they love in front of a huge audience and making money. And this is NOT punk if you consider punk as an ethic. punk shouldn't be just a form of mindless happy music.
The story about Billie Joe Armstrong with the Mexican drug hostage situation is actually in the NOFX autobiography they just released. It was back when Smelly still did a lot of drugs. After Smelly got clean, Green Day opened for NOFX, shortly after Dookie came out. Smelly was backstage with Billie Joe, who Smelly noticed seemed scared of him. Smelly asked why, and Billie said they had used him as a hostage last time they saw him. Smelly laughed and apologized, assuring him that he was sober now and had no recollection of that being Billie Joe.
Corey Freeland and what about Matt Skiba?
Oh good, noones getting sued
That story sounds pretty funny. 😂🤘
Wasn't it a bit different though? Like Smelly and his buddy stole a van and drove it around a town recklessly, strung out and drunk as fuck, slamming thrash cans in the way. Then they noticed that someone was in the back of the van and they let him go cause he was scared shitless. That guy later turned out to be Billie Joe.
Fat Mike didn't start doing drugs until his 30's, according to himself, so this timeline doesn't add up
When did Guy Fieri stop bleaching his hair?
buzzzzkillller LMFAO
Funny part is both Hefe and Guy are from Humboldt County.
soap... like a mohawk, always soap
@@desnazificador2327 Yep, that's a great way to do it. Hand soap always worked best for me.
@@TranzparentMethods Yeah, that's right!
I’ve never listened to an entire nofx song. Yet somehow this video just showed up. Oct 2020
Now's the time it seems
I would start with “the decline”
Exactly the same happened to me hahahahah
It seems like that documentary "The Social Dilemma" is being obvious to more and more people now.
Liberal animations the start.
Same
I hate how a funny video involving two good bands turns into a fucking punk debate. Just laugh and be on your way.
thanks m8
1waytickettopluto
Exactly!!
I love it when he said, "Matt Skiba was there too."
best part of this interview
dookie was the first album i bought at 12 years old. if it wasnt for them i wouldnt be into nofx bad religion and other great punk rock bands
Or you could just skip buying the crap and buy against the grain ribbed and about time albums straight away,...
Dimitris Tsinarian So music you don’t like is crap
@Lex of course mate if you want to call Metallica (back in the day) Iron maiden, black sabbath, deep purple , led zeppelin shit go ahead. Actually do you even know who these bands are?
@@HHHSOHS Dude you are like so cool. Like, totally, for real. **cough** pussy **cough**
@Lex i ceratinly did, and around that time discovered punk music too butbnever listened to a single song from that lame ass pop band that is greenday.
Hey, what do NOFX and Green Day both have in common?
A bassist named Mike lol
and Billy Joe being kidnapped by Smelly in a van in order to drive around and knock over trashcans somewhere in the 1990s xD
Their all old!
@@kfji2501 can you share video about that?
They are not Punk bands!
@@IndexFossilchannel Well, you tried
Law of numbers says that at least one 12 year kid got into NOFX (and The Flatliners) because they’re fans of Green Day (Billie Joe Armstrong) and blink-182 (Matt Skiba) and never heard of NOFX but now saw this video and understands how big of a deal Fat Mike and NOFX are to be doing cocaine with Billie Joe and Matt Skiba with Mexican gangsters in Hollywood hahahaha That’s awesome.
I love how he's like "I can't tell the story, I'll get in trouble", then proceeds to tell most of it.
Whether things are punk or not is the most boring conversation ever. If you like something, listen to it. If you don't, don't. End.
And ironically it's hugely elitist, which is kind of the exact opposite point of punk. Punk was originally just about making music that was fun and exciting after prog had turned everything into overblown self-important pseudo-intellectual boring hippie shite.
***** i listen to all kinds of stuff like x and green day and old man markley and david bowie and black flag and johnny cash because i listen to what i think is GOOD not what i think is punk
me thinks you just won de interwebs
***** I am always available for hugs. Don't get me wrong, I love punk (and the punk that even the scene-Nazis like - Crass, Amebix, blah blah blah). It's just.. well, in the words of Jello Biafra in "Chickenshit Conformist":
Punk's not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon
A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don't matter, it's who you know
If the music's gotten boring
It's because of the people
Who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive bright people out
Of our so-called scene
'Til all that's left Is just a meaningless fad
Hardcore formulas are dogshit
Change and caring are what's real
Is this a state of mind
Or just another label
The joy and hope of an alternative
Have become its own cliche
A hairstyle's not a lifestyle
Imagine Sid Vicious at 35
Who needs a scene
Scared to love and to feel
Judging everythng
By loud fast rules appeal
Who played last night?
"I don't know, I forgot.
But diving off the stage Was a lot of fun."
I always found it ironic how punks consider a band a sellout when they sign to a major label yet five of the biggest and original....The Stooges, New York Dolls, The Ramones, The Clash, Sex Pistols...all released their debut and every album on a MAJOR LABEL. There are countless other old punk bands that have also released albums through major labels from X to Bad Religion. In the end if the music is good, the fuck cares what the label is. As long as the band is 1. Making good music 2. Honest about the music they made and doesn't let a label change who they are...what does it matter? Punk was mainstream since DAY 1. Major labels flocked to C.B.G.B. looking to sign whoever they could. The Pistols were signed to a few majors before putting out their debut album. Even held a PUBLIC contract signing.
charly88888888 yes but it's an insider/outsider culture where those than are authentically punk don't specifically try to be
Did you say the Bass player is weird? It's the drummer who's weird, the bass player is the most level headed guy in the band.
+greenday103921guns hahaha well... to nofx i guess Tre is considered normal? haha
+greenday103921guns Mike is pretty weird too
+greenday103921guns I'm pretty sure they're talking about the bass player playing in the video (listen closely), as this video was probably filmed during a show. Maybe it's the supporting act playing :)
+MrFelipeyw I don't know after reading some of their book younger smelly and Melvin were weirder. But Fat Mike is prob the weirdest now
As Tre once said, "Never jack off a cactus. You'll only hurt your hand, and the cactus's feelings."
"matt skiba was there to" lol
Nice to know Billie Joe and Fatty get along.
@@youknow5878 dude his name is Fat Mike lmao, i'm sure he meant no disrespect
@@GreendayversusU2 you have a point
"I've been playing punk for over 30 years now, and I've still never really been able to figure out what it is."
-Greg Graffin (Bad Religion)
There is no firm definition for punk. All the criteria for what makes someone punk is different for just about everyone. And the select criteria that actually manages to be more commonplace in many people's definition of punk (e.g. punk bands can't be mainstream, wear make-up, etc.) usually end up sounding pretty hypocritical and full of shit.
@Noble Failures You got an explanation for that?
@Noble Failures gs'ing?
Matt Skiba was there too.
Lyrically, most of their songs fit into the genre too. Plus, the band members are all involved in underground punk projects as well. For example, Billie Joe is the frontman for Pinhead Gunpowder, Mike Dirnt plays bass for The Frustators, and Tre Cool used to play The Lookouts and is currently considering starting a reformation.
I loved how he was telling the story of Pulp Fiction, and ended it with, "And Matt Skiba was there too."
I can totally see Billie joe and Fat Mike partying and doing drugs tougher. 💀🤘😁
Matt Skiba was there too haha... Coke a line trio
"Matt skiba was there too" hahahahahaha I love Mike and matt
So if you don't follow punk rules .. you're not punk? .. Double standards. I'm so glad I was born shallow...I almost cared.
+Brittany Loveless not if you live it.
I reject the idea that there's a culture around a genre of music. Punk rock doesn't suddenly become 'pop' the moment it makes money.
If it sounds like Jazz, it _is_ Jazz. If it sounds like classical, it _is_ classical. If it sounds like Rock, it _is_ rock.
"Selling out" doesn't automatically change the sound of a band.
Con ese apellido me pregunto que tan superficial podrías ser
If Guy Fieri tried “punk”
Fat Mike hasn't aged well man. Don't get me wrong, he was a cool guy during the 90s and 2000s, but he just lost himself away in the past 5 years.
With all the drug and alcohol he’s taken in 53 years I’d say he’s looking pretty good haha
Hoping he live until 100yrs old
People call Green Day sellouts and shit. Not just Green Day either. Actual great, legendary bands like Smashing Pumpkins, etc. People don't realize that "selling out" is just what happens when you get famous. It's okay to sign to a record company. It's okay to make money off your hard work. All these punk elitists don't get that, and they piss me off.
I agree with you. The point of starting a band is to get your message or creative expression to as big of an audience as possible. However, if signing with a record company means that you have to give up any creative control then I would say that's selling out.
personally I stopped listening to them after Dookie
Jason Bock You should check out the next few albums after Dookie: Insomniac and Nimrod. They're great and don't stray too far from their original sound. I mean, Nimrod does in some places, but Insomniac is rawer than Dookie.
Jason Bock
Well, let's face it, in the history of punk rock only a few bands have made more than one great album.
Mellon Collie it stirs controversy cause when you 'sell out' it implies you are sacrificing your actual talent to make more money
Green Day is a good band but they have changed a lot, the albums that stand out to me more are dookie, insomniac, and kerplunk
Dakota Rodriguez first album too
They are becoming more pop now
And 1039
NOFX is the best. legendary talent
Green Day were writing PUNK songs before they got popular, and Dookie, despite it's unexpected sucess (and believe me, it WAS unexpected) is a PUNK album. They've actually never written a whole lot of songs that one would consider "pop". And even if they had, that's not necesarilly a bad thing. The Clash wrote a lot of "pop" songs and most people still think they're punk. And just like them, Green Day got famous off of playing punk songs, and later experimented with other styles of music. :P
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@@jeffbrander2690explain
Hahahah
The fact that some people hate Green Day so much, just makes them more punk to me. Sorry they're not your version of punk. Isn't punk about saying, "fuck you" and doing your thing? I don't care how good or bad you are, if you like it, rock on guys.
"Massive propaganda campaign?" When was the last time you honestly saw a commerical for a Green Day album?
2009
Their last two albums have essentially been smear campaigns against Trump. Even American Idiot was a critique of the Bush administration.
@@imnothonestbutyoureinteresting Revolution Radio, yes, was heavily critical of Trump on a couple songs. Father of All Motherfuckers contains barely more than a few momentary hints of sociopolitical outrage. Also, political critique does not automatically equal propaganda.
Punk or not, Green Day is still a good band. I especially love their older albums.
Both bands are rockandroll with some punk more influence and some metal too... they like each others and have respect for them. Two great bands that we should be proud to still have on the road
She works hard at eating well, that’s why I love her.......❤️
Fat Mike: "Hey Billie, what are you doing here?"
Billie Joe: "I don't know, what are you doing here!"
hahaha!
Yeah but we cant tell you the story
Later: blah blah blah happened Matt was there too. *sips his beer
FLATLINERSSS
The Wolf? Like from Pulp Fiction, Mike?
we met at an AA meeting
Nobody talks about THE NETWORK great album 2020 ????
Who's he to decide what's punk lmao
Guys his own biggest fan
Green Day has always written songs about a variety of topics, including media overload and its impact on our culture, self-identidy, social archetypes, mortality, what it means to have artistic integrity, etc. And they've always wanted to spread their messages to the masses. But unfortunately, you need money to do that. So it makes sense to make 1 or 2 records in that familiar punk style that everybody loved, so that you'd have money leftover to be able to make the records that YOU want to make.
I agree, the link and the album associated with it is definitely an answer to the common question.
Personally, i feel they've gone through stages in life, the last one that they left was arena rock, and before that was about 12 years of being a simple punk band that got too much attention. not sure where they are now, it's too soon to decide, plus i dunno if they'll still do BIG rock albums.
Did they say Matt skiba was there too!! 😮
"should have quit after dookie" -> insomniac is their most "punk" album!
How can there still be blues artists when the blues movement was over 60 years ago.
Music is timeless, man. Punk is no exception. There will always be something that needs opposing. Something that needs to be spoken up against.
Just because Green Day experiments with new styles of music every couple of albums or so, that doesn't mean that they're doing so in order to appeal to a wider audience. You have to remember that Billie Joe likes a variety of music from hardcore punk, to hair metal, to college rock, and even musicals. And under their old independent label, they would've never been able to play music outside of the punk genre. (to be continued)
Green Day used to sound really punk like Insomniac album and the basket song, but then they got famous and they started playing shit, then the emos came, and oh god that was an episode, it was just like a scary movie about how to turn punk into just shit, not even sellout shit, just shit, and nowadays they don't even have fans in the audience just some random peeps who want to see some MTV crap....
"the basket song"
As you get older that's how life evolves. Green Day caught on at the right time. The Clash caught on as well and were labled exactly the same.
None of these bands are punk. Punk died in 1979. What came after was exactly what Johnny Rotten talked about, copy cats. Rather than being inspired by 77' punk, they tried to copy it note for not, eventually morphing it into a uniform sound, look, and mentality. However, if you want real copy cat punk, nobody on Hellcat, Epitaph, Fat Records, Lookout, or Kung-Fu Records fits that description. GBH (not Charged GBH), Varukers, Anti-Nowhere League...these are real bands from that era. NOFX and all this other shit is just fast paced pop music with mall kids who think it is cool to spike their hair and pretend they are teenagers when they are in their 40's.
West Is Best The people who spike their hair don't know what punk is. They should be considered retarded. Punk isn't about image.
I do think there are still some punk-ish bands around, but they just don't get the recognition they deserve.
VibratorPolice If you identify yourself as "punk", I feel you've missed the point. The point isn't too pigeon hole yourself. If you've ever heard of the Wipers, they fit this description. Everybody called them "punk", yet they said they hated that term and rejected it. If you look at bands today, even on the most underground, where you will only find their records at your local indie record shop in one or two cities, they pigeon hole themselves into living up to a certain stereotype. In the case of bands like NOFX and their lot, they are far worse than underground bands. They think they are hardcore and rebellious if they say "fuck" a lot and where mall-friendly skulls. It has become such a joke that even moms think it is cute when their 14 year old kids spike their hair and go to a punk show. But if you look at the Sex Pistols, they had a definite reason and time. John Lydon was the son of Irish immigrants, so the problems in Northern Ireland hit home for him. There were strikes going on all over the UK in the 70's because the economy was beginning to fail as a result of economic policies taken after World War 2. To them, it was not about cute teenage rebellion. They dealt with real issues. That is why I say punk was born and died with the Sex Pistols. Everything else is just silly, bubble gum pop teenage rebellion and copy cat bands, whether it is Black Flag, Minor Threat, or NOFX and Rancid.
U can just tell by his demeanor that he was speaking truth of that story.
a band only sells out when they play what the record label wants them and stop making the albums they want to make. THATS IT. how is making money off a thing you love bad in any way? these dudes were broke as hell for years and they paid their dues. pay them NOW.
I'm honestly surprised Green Day hasn't put out an EDM album yet, if you catch my drift.
they actually did that..!.listen to The Network!!!
Oh yeah, I forgot about 1,039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours. That's a great comp. I'm surprised to see that someone else has heard of Citizen Fish other than me. It's hard to talk about old Gilman St. punk bands like Crimpshrine or Neurosis or Sewer Trout without people just being completely unaware of what I'm talking about.
By the way, even when Green Day had become famous off of Dookie, the price you had to pay to see them live wasn't much higher than six bucks.
Calling Green Day punk is like calling Nirvana R & B
Being honest, I'm punk. I have seen the more obscure politically fueled bands but who doesn't love a bit of pop punk sometimes or a bit of reel big fish.
If you have to announce to us on a NOFX video that you are *indeed punk* ..... Come on man
Oh no! He's more punk than Mee! Oi
@@SilverPhoenix-PlazmaMoon He should have been on the cover of punk and disorderly.
Its not your job to keep punk rock elite....this music ain't you're fuking industry
Green Day is the most successful punk rock band in this genre. They just want to express their music and band. If they get a recording contract to a higher level, it doesn't matter as long as they don't leave criticism and social messages in their songs and the awards they get are as a form of appreciation of people who like Green Day, they are not chasing money, Green Day is just channeling criticism and social messages to levels of society, if someone doesn't like Green Day, that's normal, the most important thing is that NY's creative ideas for voicing social and criticism continue and Billie Joe has a punk soul. Regardless of whether he received an award from his own band, it is a normal form of achievement that you don't need to worry about punk is a way of life in determining the journey of life with our own freedom without restrictive rules (DIY)
"Matt Skiba was there, too..." omfg hahahaha
Blink ripped NOFX more blatantly than anyone lol
+davidrod1978 You mean Descendents :P
+jjavca yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes YES
It’s early sum 41 that rip them off
they didn't rip those bands off they were influenced. they were kids who loved the music and made their own while emulating their heros but always had their own sound and they soon evolved a lot. and then tom left and they went to shit
Bowling for soup ripped them off pretty hard too
"That guy can tell a five minute story in half an hour." I love MIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Matt skiba was there too LMFAO!! 😂😂
also, green day is not pop. just...no.
Well they are now
... Matt Skiba was there too. lol
And the whole way playing music straight from the heart is exactly what they've done.
Both are lame pop punk bands
I grew up listening to both but I would rather listen to Dookie every single day for the rest of my life than anything Fat Mike has to say.
I have a bass player friend also who can make a 5 minute conversation last half hour
green day is the modern day clash
MrDynasty7 get out
why? both bands had real grass root and edgy starts, they both became very main stream and their music style changed to go along with it, there are many parallels...don't tell me, you're one of those guys who think the clash is punk rock jesus band or something.
MrDynasty7 nah I don't think the clash is punk Jesus, I just think the comparison between the two is a little not right sounding I guess? Since Green Day has became more of the punk band emo kids go to now to say they're "too punk rock for you"
MrDynasty7 There is nothing wrong with being a popular punk/rock act, it's how inauthentic Green day became after their mainstream success.
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Matt Skiba was there too
green day ended their punk era in 2004-2005.
their punk was done after their album insomniac. I still love them though
Everyone and his cat is a fucking expert on weather or not Green day is a punk band, or if they once were, at which album they ceased to be punk. I don't know where Green day sits on the subjective 'Punk-o-meter' in our heads and I couldn't give a shit. No-one one can really define the word 'punk' anyway (beyond it being a popular slur for a 'gay prostitute' in the 1930's :P)
after Kerplunk adios
Gill Serrano Insomniac actually sounded way punkier than Kerplunk, But I guess for some, its all about them going from Lookout to Reprise, rather than the actual music. Ahh label junkies.....
No, they were pop-punk ever since Dookie. Now they're alternative.
I love jawbreaker, still have yet to give thorns of life a proper listen...
Green Day brought punk to the rest of the world in a time when nobody cared for punk. Not a bad word to say about them.
Punk isn't just whining about a girl and throwing in some downstrokes. It's really strictly an ethos, especially well after the 'movement' died in the early-mid 80's. Britney Spears is more punk than Green Day ever was and ever will be.
@@edenton2002 oh yeah, just because they take a bath once a week they aren't punk
@@edenton2002 says who never listened to green day, they have what? Half a dozen songs about whining for girls, at least in the old records
@@edenton2002 its almost like...genres can change and morph throughout 30+ years. The punk of 1980 wasn't the same as 1990.
Just like everything...ever.
Dont forget about The Offspring and their Smash album the same year as Dookie.
Hahahaha. "Matt Skiba was there too." (Cut)
Alguien que lo subtitule al español!
NOFX is punk rock for 15 year old girls .... kind of like Green Day
Really? Because although he thinks they're bad for punk, Johnny Rotten thinks Green Day is talented
I don't give a fuck , I'm not Johnny Rotten. You think because I have a picture of him as my profile pic I'm some fucking Sex Pistols fan boy & I'm gonna get all butthurt by what you have to say ? lol
I'm not putting limits on anything or saying Green Day or NOFX aren't punk. I'm saying those bands write song's for a 12 - 16 year old audience , the people that show up to their show's are teenager's and kids with their parents . They aren't really doing anything new or exciting , just being whiney
I am a Green Day fan, started liking them in the mid 90's. Last album I liked was Insomnia, and Kerplunk is very good too. I watched a concert in Germany Green Day did like 4 years ago, when he got to "Basket Case" at the end of the set, no one knew the words. They were jamming out to the later albums, but barely knew the old shit. Just kids everywhere.
As a Green Day fan, I gotta agree with Doug on this one, regarding Green Day.
+Kevin C but I don't think Green Day's music is for kids. I think Billie Joe writes great melodies and lyrics. He's no John Lennon or Morrissey but he is good. And both American Idiot and Dookie are two of the best albums of their decades.
Matt Skiba was there too. Perfect. lol
No one one important has heard of nofx because nofx wont sell out like green day..
nofx refused to sign with big record companies. they turned them down many times. if you didnt know. these dudes are really talented who dont give a shit about what people think or say. true underground punk. greenday is ok but too poppy and i bet they wouldve been less popular than nofx if they never signed.
I don't get how selling out is signing with a big label so you can continue making music
Edward Gary Nofx are not a household name like GD and they stuck to Indylabels - yes. but they still sold over 6 million albums and there shows will still sell out, So I'd still call that a pretty fucking commercially successful band.
NOFX aren't as big a greenday because their more thrashy/hardcore 'sound' is less appealing to most people ears compared to Green days more melodic offerings. Simple as that.
GD and NOFX sound very different but both sound pretty good to me personally. Do i give shit how much $$$ they make or who they sign with? no I don't, and why should I? Is this about the music these guys put out? or is it about something else?
nofx is a million times better than green day!
That is your personal opinion but i think differently
raisedfist80 i agree but ill pretty much listen to anything especially gd
raisedfist80 el hefe...nofx's lead guitarist is a way more talented and complex guitar player than billie joe...i like billie joe but he writes extremely simple guitar riffs and parts and i think in general green day's songwriting is far more straightforward than nofx's. nofx writes super fast songs with strong emphasis on hooks and melodies (the reason they are called a melodic hardcore band). el hefes guitar solos on songs like clams have feelings too, pharmacists daughter, or even liza and louise are so much cooler than any that green day have ever done (i know green day arent a big guitar solo band but still...)
raisedfist80 the longest line and the decline are 2 songs by nofx that are so much better than any green day have ever done imo. i could listen to both those songs and never get fucking bored of em....the decline is possibly the best punk song of all time, it's so good it almost makes you cry...and it's fucking 18 minutes long, insane!
raisedfist80 a lot of shitty bands get famous, doesn't mean anything! nickelback and puddle of mudd and blink 182 are much more famous bands then nofx! many of the best bands ever, particularly punk rock bands like the misfits, ramones, the germs, the descendents....none of those incredible bands got famous besides in the punk rock subculture, green day can't hold a fucking candle to any of those bands...
Fat Mike, Billie Joe Armstrong, and Matt Skiba all hanging out together! This sounds like an awesome dream! lol
As someone who is actually in a punk band and supports my local punk scene, I find the act of trying to find sense and meaning in my punkhood very vital. If you don't think so, then that's okay. But I know that I'm a punk, and I'm sure as fuck not "doing it wrong".
P.S. I'm sorry this reply was so long.
Harvey Keitel came?
hahaha and matt skiba was there
we are not arguing about anyting, just exposing objective parts of the history of punk. Dada and Pop art had a great influence on the development of rock music from '60s to nowdays, but the DIY ethic became preeminent in punk just during the '80s with street punk, anarcho punk and hardcore bands. The punk movement turned out to be something different from another popular music genre created and promoted by capitalism to make money by entertaining the masses, and this is a fact.
You can't scream about oppression, revolution, anarchism and so on while being signed with a Major. So, let me tell you that I don't believe GD when they attack the "American Idiot" and talk about the Jesus of Suburbia, as I dont' believe in Johnny Rotten screaming "I am an Anarchist". One must be consistent with his ideals. "Green Day make the music they love." Lady Gaga and Justin Bieber do it to. But they don't yakety-yak about capitalism while making millions.
Never listened to "Rotten to the Core" by Rudimentary Peni? The mid-70's punk bands have nothing to do with the DIY, anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist mentality of '80s punk. I'm not the authority, I just tell the truth. It's a fact that, during the '80s, punk developed into various subgenres that shared the will to remain underground and to be an alternative to the mainstream scene. Never heard the word "selling out"?
Punk is not just a label. True punk is a form of anti-enstablishment and anti-system art that opposes the capitalistic and consumerist mainstream scene and its business-oriented ethic. Punk bands are not interested in profit and success, they believe in Do It Yourself ethic and try to be consistent with their ideals by refusing corporations and major labels. GD togheter with all crappy pop-punk bands just made punk another futile fashion for the consumerist masses of teenagers.
nofx vs green day is like spice girls vs britney spears. i wonder what would have happened if you asked disorder and conflict about nofx lol
of course Green Day stated they're not punk anymore but they started as a pop punk band and the common consumer-listener, unaware of what punk ethic and DIY are, will link them to punk for the rest of their career and after.
I presented my oppinion and you presented yours. only differance is i keep it cilvilized and you resort to namecalling. When you grow up you will notice that the world is diverse and most dont thiunk the way you do.
I think Green Day's music in the 90's isn't really Punk, but more like a " Little-Bit-Sweeter-Than-Grunge ". Burn me if I'm wrong, but basically Grunge is between Metal and Punk, and Green Day was basically on the Punk side ( not fully, Insomniac has some light metal ). It seems logic to me 'cause Green Day starts get reconized at the end of the huge Grunge era. Ahhh I love their stuff :).
And I know they said they're not punk anymore but mass media and major distribution still call them "punk" so that the more they sell and go famous, the more people think their music is punk.