It was public execution in front of an entire town plus the next gen (because, you know, he was the recognized king of the pirates). There would be no keeping it under wraps if he died and his body immediately turned into someone else. This is also completely ignoring the fact the only reason he turned himself in was because he was terminally ill. He could have retired into the new world and no one would have been able to do a damn thing about it. He was strong as or stronger than Whitebeard and no one could do a damn thing about Whitebeard even though he was ill as well.
@@adriandanish Both Barto’s and Bon Clay’s fruit powers used to belong to Orochi’s minions, and I have a feeling Devil Fruit users can live a good while even with “sucky” fruits. On the off chance Orochi’s minion ate the fruit shortly after Roger’s death, that’s still less believable than simply indicating the first King of the Pirates is dead.
This is too far fetched, not only because the power user was still alive but also because crocus, his trusted doctor, confirmed him to be terminally ill so even if he wasn't executed he would still be dead
Aight, ima waste my time explaining why this is cap. The Clone Clone Fruit already belonged to someone before Bon Clay, an old bag working for Orochi in Wano. Second, if the fake Roger had been killed, the Devil Fruit would've cancelled out and revealed that the Roger who got executed was fake. This is just as far fetched as all the other bs theories out there.
There's the fruit of that woman in the Blackbeard pirates that could have done the same thing, as a matter that's the fruit I thought was in wano. I still think this theory is fake
@@Al77343 true although that 9 tail fox fruit wasn’t the one in wano. But I agree that the theory is wrong and that to be fair we don’t know where the 9 tail fox fruit was. Would be cool if that fact wound up relevant some how
What about that old woman in Wano? She existed before Orochi’s rise to power in Wano and only died after the 5 years Oden spent dancing. This might be a theory for older days of One Piece so who knows
Would sea prism stone even undo the transformation? As far as I’m aware it doesn’t change physical traits, just stops you from activating your ability. Like luffy was still rubber under water so I think rather than undoing the transformation it would make the person stuck with the face of the one they’re imitating and unable to turn back into yourself until the cuffs were removed. Same with dying. I think the person would be stuck like that, unless the ability is something that needs to stay active for as long as you’re transformed
Rogers was the strongest man on the planet. Seastone hand cuffs are indestructible which might be why they used them on him but i think i can recall him being cuffed with wood
No. It would be very anti climatic for luffy’s complete inspiration to be alive. It would remove the weight of his legacy. It also doesn’t make sense. Why would Roger tell someone to pretend to be him and die for practically no reason since Roger was terminally ill anyway??? Also, wouldn’t he have heard of Ace’s execution somewhere and intervened????
I have a dumb theory that Nami is related to Shirahoshi. In the manga/anime Nami and Shirahoshi were talking and enjoying themselves. Shirahoshi eventually said "I feel like that I know you. Just some kind of connection." they also stated earlier in the book that some fishmen are mermaids since they get their looks from their ancestors or something. I know it's a dumb theory.
When the user died she would’ve reverted back to her original self (and she was in wano when he got executed, yk wano? The CLOSED OFF COUNTRY🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️)
Even if it wasn't Roger at the execution, whoever it was would have changed back because a devil fruit power is cancelled out once the user is knocked unconscious or dies
Wait, at the time of his execution the latest user of that fruit was that old lady who helped Orochi taking over Wano, and she was still alive when Roger died
He was confirmed to be terminally ill by his crew’s experienced doctor (crocus). So even if he did survive the execution in secret he still would be dead. Also, it doesn’t make sense as to why he would lie to his crew about his death.
Ok so this might not be a theory, more of a thing that people knows, but not everyone: Uta's Uta Uta no mi power is probably based off of her fans. The more recognition and fans she has, them more she grows in power.
Even if this was true this would kinda ruin this for me. Rogers death has so much depth from the beginning and even more at the end. The idea of him lying to the world and just chilling and someone else was the one saying "ALL I HAVE TO OFFER IT OUT THERE GO FIND IT" just doesnt sit right.
Fun fact about fruits: Fruits would take years to respawn in the world after the user dies but last time a mane mane fruit user died It took 40 or 30 years
It might be true because before white beard death he told blackbeard " the man ROGER is waiting for at the very last , Teach it's definitely not you" . So it might be Roger fake his death and waiting for joy boy , and Roger is from d clan , so dragon might be helping roger curing his disease with help of Vega punk 😅😅 and shanks find nika fruit and manipulate luffy to eat the fruit and manipulate luffy to became pirate king😅 , so luffy one day bacame joy boy and roger dont have to wait long time.😂 . As luffy and shanks promise eachother they will meet after luffy became pirates king 👑 . Then luffy and shanks will fight eachother to get one piece but shanks moto of fight against luffy is not to get one piece rather than shanks moto was awaking luffy true hidden power so that luffy can win fight against IMU😮.
Or, he was in seastone handcuffs because it was the only aloy to hold someone that strong and the last user of that devil fruit was an old woman who would have probably died
The previous clone clone fruit user is in wano serving orochi. Also if some of yall thinkbroger couldve gottrn out of there with his armament haki, he cant. His illness is somewhat similar to whitebeard that disabled them to use haki.
Yea if Roger was alive he would’ve went for Ace when he was at Marine ford, he cared about ace even before he was born, so much he asked Garp to look after His unborn kid. If he was alive he would’ve saved Ace
Rodgers death paved the way to joy boy it was his goal and His death made the great pirate era sprouting luffy and a man doesn't truly die until there forgotten
Roger was already dying from a illness, so nope, if anything, he likely allowed himself to be captured, knowing full well he'd be publicly executed, he did this for two reasons, one was to get Garp to protect his son, and second to start the second generation of pirates, as he knew who was coming.
The previous user was working under Orochi in wano. Even so, Roger let himself be caught because he was terminnally ill 💀
It was clone clone fruit in wano not bon clay's
@@Subaru941 bon clay's fruit is the clone clone fruit lmao
@@Subaru941 bon clays fruits was in wano slowpoke. Go watch how Kaido defeated oden and say this again.
and if he wanted too he could have used armament haki or his color of the supreme haki
@@Subaru941 🤡
Ah yes Roger decided to lie to his whole crew that witnessed his death and is out there rn chilling
It could have been a person that they found to be in tandem or even in the crew
@@electrosharktv4271 then where was roger during all that. He must have been a clone for a longgg time or something happened to roger
@@Phantomghxst110He was chilling with Portgas in Hawaii
Bruh 😂😂😂😂😂😂 wth
And clone clone fruit was in wano before bonclay:D
These people took the 4kids dub too seriously 💀
yes
Nah, he was executed by hanging in 4Kids. Anythings on the table as long as they don't show blood
Gaio Gaio!
@@334yopfthat's worse💀
@@human98756kids love hanging
Roger is secretly hiding in a bunker with Hit D. Ler
Nice one
nahhhh....
*gets executed* *devil fruit stops working and he turns back to normal* "guys that wasn't Roger..."
Bro I'm with you but the main thing is that we don't see Roger death body
@@poojagulati2134Yes
It was public execution in front of an entire town plus the next gen (because, you know, he was the recognized king of the pirates). There would be no keeping it under wraps if he died and his body immediately turned into someone else. This is also completely ignoring the fact the only reason he turned himself in was because he was terminally ill. He could have retired into the new world and no one would have been able to do a damn thing about it. He was strong as or stronger than Whitebeard and no one could do a damn thing about Whitebeard even though he was ill as well.
you had me laughing so hard
@@noctisthedevious nobodys reading that
Don't let this dude cook
wdym
@@Animeninja124this theory can’t work for a number of reasons one being the clone clone fruit was being used in wano at the time of the execution
@@Cryptic_Diamond”he said there is a theory” it’s not his theory
@@Tronexx i simply said why it wouldn’t work never anything else
@@Cryptic_Diamond I thought you were the shiinahyori guy
The last Mane Mane fruit user was the one who helped Orochi become the Shogun of Wano
I thought that was the bari bari fruit
@@lichguardthere was another woman that helped him too Ur thinking about the other guy
@@adriandanish oh ok
@@adriandanish
Both Barto’s and Bon Clay’s fruit powers used to belong to Orochi’s minions, and I have a feeling Devil Fruit users can live a good while even with “sucky” fruits.
On the off chance Orochi’s minion ate the fruit shortly after Roger’s death, that’s still less believable than simply indicating the first King of the Pirates is dead.
@@lichguardthat was the other dude in cohoots with that witch shape changer person
This is too far fetched, not only because the power user was still alive but also because crocus, his trusted doctor, confirmed him to be terminally ill so even if he wasn't executed he would still be dead
i know right
And he would have turned Back to normal after he died (and they think garp doesn't know the Man he admire the most)
Let's call Gordon Ramsay because we need to close this kitchen.
If he was in seastone cuffs his devil fruit power couldn’t have been used
Why would they put Roger in sea stone?
Yeah he has no devil fruit
@@Xapi_ because Sea stone is the Hardest Metal Out there
seastone negates haki as well
@@mrdumbgoggles5567 I mean he was trying to get executed willingly so they wouldn’t have to worry too much
So roger just let his son meet Rengoku in donut heaven💀
Well, ace got in donut heaven first before rengoku.
Please! Rengoku got aced, not the other way around.
Aight, ima waste my time explaining why this is cap. The Clone Clone Fruit already belonged to someone before Bon Clay, an old bag working for Orochi in Wano. Second, if the fake Roger had been killed, the Devil Fruit would've cancelled out and revealed that the Roger who got executed was fake. This is just as far fetched as all the other bs theories out there.
The only good theory really is just Crocomom
We do actually know the previous user of the fruit, she was in wano helping orochi take over around that time
There's the fruit of that woman in the Blackbeard pirates that could have done the same thing, as a matter that's the fruit I thought was in wano.
I still think this theory is fake
@@Al77343 true although that 9 tail fox fruit wasn’t the one in wano. But I agree that the theory is wrong and that to be fair we don’t know where the 9 tail fox fruit was. Would be cool if that fact wound up relevant some how
@@Al77343it's Catarina, her devil fruit allows her to copy anyone just like bon clay but better because she can copy their power and strength too
Wasn't the clone clone fruit user literally alive in Wano and serving under Orochi 💀
That was barrier - barrier fruit
@@ojasveer8337 not the old guy, the witch
What about that old woman in Wano? She existed before Orochi’s rise to power in Wano and only died after the 5 years Oden spent dancing. This might be a theory for older days of One Piece so who knows
“The man Roger is waiting for is not you, Teach” - WB
Yooo bro actually might be on to something
@@BippityBoppityQuandaleDingleII Yea bro Roger is at Laugh Tale I believe waiting on Joyboy.
I like the one where Luffy is a time traveler, and left a note telling Golden Roger, he's not the pirate king, because Luffy is.
Writers: "Roger was terminally ill"
Conspiracy theorists: "or did he?"
*Vsauce music starts playing*
He should join the crew bon clay nobody can tell me otherwise.
yes
Would sea prism stone even undo the transformation? As far as I’m aware it doesn’t change physical traits, just stops you from activating your ability. Like luffy was still rubber under water so I think rather than undoing the transformation it would make the person stuck with the face of the one they’re imitating and unable to turn back into yourself until the cuffs were removed. Same with dying. I think the person would be stuck like that, unless the ability is something that needs to stay active for as long as you’re transformed
The previous user of this fruit can copy their clothes but bon clay cant .
Awakening
It is true because in one piece film red,shanks is a adult when he finds uta and gol d roger was there when he found her
No one can give that speech dying rather than legendary roger😊
Whitebeard said to teach
“you are not the man Roger is waiting for”
Rogers was the strongest man on the planet. Seastone hand cuffs are indestructible which might be why they used them on him but i think i can recall him being cuffed with wood
Roger chilling on laugh tale for 20 years: where the fuck are yall
No. It would be very anti climatic for luffy’s complete inspiration to be alive. It would remove the weight of his legacy. It also doesn’t make sense. Why would Roger tell someone to pretend to be him and die for practically no reason since Roger was terminally ill anyway???
Also, wouldn’t he have heard of Ace’s execution somewhere and intervened????
Episod 63 at the end old guy said "is'nt he the guy that we've been looking for? Roger"
When you just say fck you to the whole Wano flashbacks
Tupac and Roger just chillin on a random island
😂
who let lil bro cook on valorant as jet again 💀💀
That's why theories like this are fun. Might be a stretch considering all we know now, but it's still fun to imagine
But when the body will be with no lufe and the devil fruit reincarnates
The body would become the same as the user
Roger and 2pac chilling in Cuba somewhere
Did he completely forget Rayleigh explaining Roger gave him self up
It seems like this guy has neither read nor watched wano arc 😂
I have a dumb theory that Nami is related to Shirahoshi. In the manga/anime Nami and Shirahoshi were talking and enjoying themselves. Shirahoshi eventually said "I feel like that I know you. Just some kind of connection." they also stated earlier in the book that some fishmen are mermaids since they get their looks from their ancestors or something. I know it's a dumb theory.
I think he did die, and his body will be used for a seraphim, but seraphim’s can’t replicate haki because they have no soul.
Also shanks wasn’t even afraid so is this why shanks was so calm
Not only is there the obvious Orochi’s servant plot hole as many people mentioned, but it also undermines the whole death of roger
My fav theory is kuina is mihawk , this is actually possible with tokis time time fruit + ivankovs hormone hormone fruit
This would have to be the nine tail fruit, because the clone clone fruit was in use at the time.
"may not have been in seastone handcuffs" -scene shows wooden clasps
When the user died she would’ve reverted back to her original self (and she was in wano when he got executed, yk wano? The CLOSED OFF COUNTRY🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️)
Roger when ace was dying : ha Fuck that 🥷 never loved him anyways
Gol D. Roger Was Sick
Even if it wasn't Roger at the execution, whoever it was would have changed back because a devil fruit power is cancelled out once the user is knocked unconscious or dies
That devilfruit was currently being used to trick the shogun of wano
Joyboy isnt Luffy, but Luffy is the embodiment of Sun God Nika.
No one laugh on his execution day except Gol D. Roger or Monkey D. Luffy
Ace being executed disproves this in my opinion, honestly in general aces whole situation disproves this
They reach the one piece and the last challenge is to defeat roger
IF this is true, then Roger if most likely waiting at laugh tale!
When the users die they lose their df power so they could just look at the corpse and see it was someone else
Are you nuts? You didn't know roger eat the nika fruit 😂
Rodger was coming up with a deadly disease and he knew it so he turned himself in
Except we saw the previous user trick Oden during his fight against Kaido, and that happened after the execution of Roger.
Wait, at the time of his execution the latest user of that fruit was that old lady who helped Orochi taking over Wano, and she was still alive when Roger died
Be a bit of a pointless twist since Roger was going to die of sickness anyway.
bro it was that grandma working for orochi in Wano after the execution kaido killed her for interfering the fight between him and oden
He was confirmed to be terminally ill by his crew’s experienced doctor (crocus). So even if he did survive the execution in secret he still would be dead. Also, it doesn’t make sense as to why he would lie to his crew about his death.
This is highly unlikely because the user before was that hag from wano who was still alive until Oden was captured
Plot twist: Its blade trinity?
Bros cooking can be improved...
Crocodile as Luffy's mom is a better theory and this bs
He said the Pokémon far feched
Then were is Roger if he was not sick and still alive?
Sea prison also is the hardest metal. So that's why they used it
I think the one piece he announced was a ruse he just wanted the pirate era to go wild
Ok so this might not be a theory, more of a thing that people knows, but not everyone: Uta's Uta Uta no mi power is probably based off of her fans. The more recognition and fans she has, them more she grows in power.
Imagine if gold roger was just lying about the one piece and he just spent it all before his death 💀💀💀💀
Even if this was true this would kinda ruin this for me. Rogers death has so much depth from the beginning and even more at the end. The idea of him lying to the world and just chilling and someone else was the one saying "ALL I HAVE TO OFFER IT OUT THERE GO FIND IT" just doesnt sit right.
that fruit doesn't change their voices so yeah... not gonna fly.
Fun fact about fruits:
Fruits would take years to respawn in the world after the user dies but last time a mane mane fruit user died
It took 40 or 30 years
So it’s a false theory
I think luffy I will find the one piece and he will see Gol D. Roger👀
It might be true because before white beard death he told blackbeard " the man ROGER is waiting for at the very last , Teach it's definitely not you" .
So it might be Roger fake his death and waiting for joy boy , and Roger is from d clan , so dragon might be helping roger curing his disease with help of Vega punk 😅😅 and shanks find nika fruit and manipulate luffy to eat the fruit and manipulate luffy to became pirate king😅 , so luffy one day bacame joy boy and roger dont have to wait long time.😂 . As luffy and shanks promise eachother they will meet after luffy became pirates king 👑 . Then luffy and shanks will fight eachother to get one piece but shanks moto of fight against luffy is not to get one piece rather than shanks moto was awaking luffy true hidden power so that luffy can win fight against IMU😮.
Roger was already sick and was gonna die 💀
“If you’re unfamiliar with Bon Clay…” Who he talkin to? 🤔
Or, he was in seastone handcuffs because it was the only aloy to hold someone that strong and the last user of that devil fruit was an old woman who would have probably died
The previous clone clone fruit user is in wano serving orochi. Also if some of yall thinkbroger couldve gottrn out of there with his armament haki, he cant. His illness is somewhat similar to whitebeard that disabled them to use haki.
Next up: Gold Roger vs. Gol D. Roger
Yea if Roger was alive he would’ve went for Ace when he was at Marine ford, he cared about ace even before he was born, so much he asked Garp to look after His unborn kid. If he was alive he would’ve saved Ace
Rodgers death paved the way to joy boy it was his goal and His death made the great pirate era sprouting luffy and a man doesn't truly die until there forgotten
He would have transformed back when he died anyway!?!?!?
If its true where is he and why he didn't help ace at marine ford
Yeah and just a random devil fruit user just started the great pirate era because why not
You forgot it's seastone so I think his devil fruit would be cancelled out 😅
Sea prism Stone cancels devil fruit powers💀
Nah matpat coming to one piece and saying commander jonathan from g8 is actually roger :)
Bon clay became a king. Why couldn’t someone else?
Bro is on them rumble balls
And then he’s guarding the one piece to have the first finder to fight him to see if he’s worthy
His virus
Roger was already dying from a illness, so nope, if anything, he likely allowed himself to be captured, knowing full well he'd be publicly executed, he did this for two reasons, one was to get Garp to protect his son, and second to start the second generation of pirates, as he knew who was coming.
Oh right, SeaWOOD Handcuffs! Totally makes sense, yeah...
Id have mad disrespect for this man if he faked this shit, got someone to die in his place, and lied to his crew
Even if that could be true
Devil fruits powers disappear with that handcuffs
Never let this man cook
Bro pulled a Kuro
Debunked because the previous clone clone fruit user was in wano and he is the reason why oden lost his battle
The thing is that he would have untransformed the moment he died so everyone would know
If he did have the devil fruit his powers wouldn't work because of the sea stone cuffs so it wouldn't look like Roger