I guess the billions were spent on infrastructure to run the thing, more than on widgets .. but I still think it's an insidious product, conceptually, and I hope gen Alpha reject millennial futurism and decide to live in the real world
@cvx8279 Exactly. And any other "metaverse" will be even more monitored and restricted. There is no way people can have a completely private scalable way of building a free communication exchange and infromation network.
Seriously, imagine it got so far as to require using the Metaverse for everything from banking, socializing etc. I'd finally just become an off grid hermit.
Same, there's just no use or purpose for it at the moment. Businesses are meant to solve a problem or make things more effecient, and this does neither. It's just poor timing. Not saying it won't ever happen, but it's just not a pressing issue. We need to focus on saving planet earth.
None of these people have any clue what the metaverse is. It’s absolutely amazing but there is a heave investment in a powerful gaming PC, light houses and body tracking to actually get there in all its glory.
@htconexifythat’s a terrible argument. It takes less than one minute to pull out your phone wherever you’re at in the world and load social media and start doom scrolling. If you’ve ever used VR, you would know it’s more like loading up your pc. Also you can’t use it in public unless you want to look strange.
Even VRchat being on Meta's platform means it can take 30% cut of sales. So really being the platform holder is the biggest thing so they haven't done everything worse.
@martinlutherkingjr.5582They want widespread adoption of these products, as seen by Zuckerberg commenting that "everyone who wears glasses getting ai glasses". Widespread adoption means everyone, which means broke people, since that's most people now days. If only rich people used it, it wouldn't be very profitable.
I was studying a master's degree in marketing in 2022. We did a lot of brand consultation projects for big companies. Let's just say, EVERY BRAND at that time want to do a project on metaverse. I asked one of my professor if he thinks this trend will really happen, since post-covid consumers are actually more into f2f interactions and authenticity based platform like TikTok (whether you like it or not). He said yes cause brands demanded it to happen. Let's just say I'm so glad I was right on this one. Marketers who blindly forced things down consumers' throat are just out of touch.
"TikTok is an authenticity-based platform." You said you were working toward an MA/MS in marketing; I'd bet that involves quite the pile of work! Did you ever get what finished? In any case, is "authenticity based" a thing in the SM/SVM world? It's a brand new term to me on. Who are some of the other big players in the "authenticity based" space? RUclips? Instagram?
I used to own VR entertainment business. It is fun to play and get on a rides with VR experience. But, there is another side of the technology that almost everyone forgets about - educational. In VR you can practice so many things, from doing doing a surgery, to visiting cities that you've never been. If they would promote that, maybe it'll be more successful and taken more serious 😎
I am (crossed fingers) getting an Omni One treadmill here very shortly. The stories I am hearing from those who already have one just make me all the more anxious. Fat gamers like me are running themselves into the ground on these things.
Current version yes. But you just have to look at how some people embrace massive multiplayer online games to know there is a market or interest in virtual worlds, as long as the experience is compelling. Problem is the current meta verse is not compelling.
can't help but feel sad that they're spending billions just to replicate social interaction which costs nothing. hard no to feel something has gone wrong.
@nuclear__pastayou only think about the social aspect. I’m thinking the real use case of AR is productivity and convenience. We are heading to the era of abundance. It’s very exciting.
Don’t generalize. There are multiple ways to balance the headset out, and honestly I don’t mind wearing it for prolonged periods of time. Additionally, it’s not over…it’s just starting. We’re in early 90s for laptops and internet. 😏
Yo…. I work 2 jobs. 70 hour weeks and can’t afford food…. These billionaires have sucked all the money out of everyone and wonder why more people aren’t buying their products anymore… ironic that wealth income eventually means no one can afford your crap.
Yet 80 millions Americans had enough money to travel over the thanksgiving holiday. Please don't act like you are poverty stricken. Food for a month costs you $350 bucks if you budget and make daily food plans.
@Vincent_de_Paul No, many Trump voters didn't understand what tariffs were. Meidastouch has clips of people such as a Trump voter saying he thought tariffs meant the other countries pay and not America.
@Bens963 Dummy account. There's a difference having a playlist, compared to having a VR headset track your height, arm length etc just by putting in on. And your behaviour in game by the choices you make. Difference of data and meta data.
2D versus surround immersive 3D. Plus Meta's headsets can be powered by desktop GPUs. Even the latest Snapdragon mobile chips can now do way better than N64. Go check Behemoth gameplay on Quest 3 not connected to gaming pc.
They like to show those early avatars to make the tech look worse than it actually is. Some of the latest avatars are really close to photo realistic. What they're doing on the edge of this technology is incredibly impressive - ruclips.net/video/MVYrJJNdrEg/video.html
a RTX 4090 won't fit in a VR headset lol. The only worthwhile way to do it right now is to make your gaming PC do all the heavy lifting. Cyberpunk 2077 in VR is amazing for example
So shocked that VRChat isn’t mentioned at all. The game had full body tracking and high quality avatars before the “metaverse” even existed. It’s way better now, too! VRChat sends its regards.
@ No doubt there are weirdos and little kids on VRChat! I’m simply pointing out how far ahead VRChat is in tech considering VRChats development team has WAY less capital to work with. Also, I’m sure the metaverse has weirdos and kids on it as well, so not sure why that was needed to be pointed out.
Any discussion about VR without any mention of things like VRC is a real disservice to the entire VR space. It makes me think that CNBC needs to do way more research on the topic than what we see in this video. VRC essentially is the metaverse Facebook only wishes it could have. But the affordability of the Quest has also helped it thrive and expand.
@Mike-xl6go Back in the early 90s, the internet was only for weirdos and little kids too, but now you're using it today to make daft comments on youtube. History will inevitably repeat itself.
The biggest problem with VR is the current form factor! It’s stationary-wear in a mobile first world. And most of the killer apps in today’s day and age aren’t found in a stationary world. They’re found on the go. This means that AR will likely be the clear winner once we have the right form factor, not to mention the price, great developer support, etc.
you mean Horizon Worlds? because the Metaverse is a combination of VR and AR (augmented reality) which is what meta is working on, wearable devices that will be our next cellphones but you can press a button an enter the virtual world. dont get too hyped over like brands and companies and stuff, there is plenty of room in the digital space for VRCHAT and whatever other virtual chatting programs to exist and have users. META the company making the QUEST HEADSETS are working on a larger overall project than just making HORIZON WORLDS to compete with anime children on VRCHAT.
@tiorontoron7531 they said vrchat covers there needs but I was comparing vrchat to MySpace they were around earlier but didn't stick around. Not saying meta will be the one it's like aol trying hard to own the internet someone else will come along and replace them all
People are already isolated from the rest of society, texting and scrolling on social media platforms like facebook. We don’t need a virtual world. We already have an amazing world filled with everything we need, go out there and experience it. And it looks like the vast majority of people are doing it because the metaverse is a total ghost town.
Too few people are I think... other than the places where survival is the utmost priority (which are most of the world unfortunately), a lot of people are trading their livelihoods for a short term dopamine hit via social media. I think we're starting to see a reaction though and I hope that means that we'll make the most of the real world.
There is lacking third places in many places. Some people are poor or it requires a car and gas to go anywhere. Many places are capitalistic and behind a paywall and requires or pressure people to have to buy things to hang around or use the restroom. At least if people hang around in a virtual city they are not pressured to buy from the stores. There are not free public restrooms in many places in America. There are not sidewalks everywhere. Some people are forced to have to jaywalk and were criminalized for it. There are no loitering signs. Even some malls banned teens. There is prejudice with falsely accusing innocent people of stealing, such as African Americans or people who "look poor or homeless". Ndagire has videos on that. CityNerd said a Walmart wouldn't let him in because he had a backpack. He couldn't put it in a car because he didn't have one. Watch videos on third places and walkable cities. Such as from Not Just Bikes, Flurfdesign, About Here, Oh the Urbanity, Yet Another Urbanist, Shifter, AJ Tabura, and the Aesthetic City. Watch Cash Jordan on anti-homeless/hostile architecture. Where they refuse to provide benches or build spikes in some places. Some businesses want to chase off anyone who is not a customer. They even build hostile architecture on the sidewalks even though they don't own it. Sidewalks are narrow enough. Watch the Aesthetic City on the widespread lack of beautiful architecture (and greenery and shade) and how so many places look like a desert of asphalt or a prison. There are so many problems, destruction, and prejudice in the real world too. People like games and virtual worlds because you can do things and dreams you can't in the real world. Some people think it's easier to find friends online where it's open to the world with a greater amount of people. There is also a culture of too many people being mean.
I have yet to hear Zuckerberg truly describe his vision for the Metaverse. I think it’s because he doesn’t have a clear one. He’s thinking if they build something that’s cool (whatever that means) that has neat technology that people will show up and then he can show them ads and sell them stuff, but he’s just wrong.
I think he is hoping that his team or the world at large will stumble on additional use cases which he can throw money at to build. But unfortunately additional mainstream use cases that are compelling have not appeared.
He wants people to live in a room and not leave like he does. Dudes a weirdo on the spectrum. It's clearly not trying to make a profit because Meta is losing millions already lol
@gmfitzgNobody is the boss of anything . Everything you see including resources is inflated to be hierarchical with the illusion that those few at the “Top” can do what they want . As far as we know ; they breathe the same air and eat the same foods as everyone else. We all came from primes. Don’t let that illusion of separation fool you
It’s so dystopian to me seeing images of people sitting in a nice home with a VR headset on spending all their time in a virtual world that is nowhere near as beautiful or interesting as the actual world they live in.
When is the last time you flew a space ship in this reality or explored an alien planet comprised of 95% ocean? Not many people get the chance. The main hook of VR is experiencing things you otherwise would not be able to.
@mizuchi-6137I’ve never done that, and neither have you. Games are games, not experiences- the input device doesn’t change that. And when the visuals aren’t anywhere near approaching realistic, or even just on the level of modern PC/console games, that argument loses even more weight. Graphical fidelity with VR/AR will absolutely improve, but as an experience it’ll never match a realistic interaction with our surrounding world. There’s nothing wrong with liking VR, but these “it offers never before seen experiences” arguments are complete madness. It’s just a different way of controlling a computing device.
Simply put, Meta, Google, and the entire social media era were initially about connecting people. However, we are now experiencing a shift toward nationalism and isolation, making the concept of a "metaverse" feel outdated and no longer in vogue.. at least for the next few years ( hoping that Humanity will continue to exist afterwards)
I hate how none of these news blurbs ever mention VRChat which has done everything Meta wants to do but first and better and people actually like using it.
I can't be the only one who thought the Metaverse was a pointless concept from the start? People are busy, have lives to live and real social connections they want to maintain. Not stare at another screen to do something half as good. The only reason the Metaverse got any traction is because people were stuck at home during the pandemic. The metaverse would maybe become appealing if I was a literal brain in a jar.
Yeah I’d rather video conference with real people if I can’t meet face to face, or meet face to face if I can vs being in a virtual reality. I also don’t have time for that, I have a real job and two kids lol
The expensive glasses are stupid. They have those FaceTime screens that awesome. I don't understand wanting to live through an avatar that looks like Wii graphics lol
Metaverse is the prime example of companies betting on a trend without understanding the user. They do not understand how people want to live their lifes and just assume they can magically build a online world that is more enjoyable then the real worls where and this is the point I alteady have access to the internet, better graphics and more real conversations
Yeah it's pointless. Just let me play a VR game when I wanna interact within a game world and regular for simpler stuff or where it doesn't need to apply.
"I don't want to go to a virtual place to do anything." ... you say, while watching a RUclips video on a computer screen, interacting with strangers known to you only by display names and avatars, and living in a world with facades for democracies and Ponzi schemes for economies. It's all virtual, friend. It's all a dream.
@BlackkTiger it's different being in mixed reality, which I feel is pointless given augmented reality through a camera phone. I wouldn't want to have a headset to reply to your comment neither, or read an article.
It's a neat concept, but it doesn't fulfill you in any way. Having physical friends, going outside, doing things in the real world bring people satisfaction. VR can help you learn to do things like drive a car/truck/plane before you're legally able to, but people have lives in reality, not a manufactured one.
Yeah our bodies are made to run and walk, breathe fresh air, socialize with extremely complex visual cues, hug our friends and families. We're literally biologically programmed for it and for our bodies to feel good from those things.
I am absolutely stunned that they could film and show this entire segment without mentioning VRCHAT with its absolute current domination of the metaverse
@russc788It is far and away the closest thing we've ever had to the metaverse. Doesn't matter if it isn't a household name, not talking about it is just bad journalism
This is really something that should have been a research project with a limited user pool to evaluate potential practical uses, not a full product launch
There's over a million active users daily in Gorilla tag alone and they're mostly kids who're growing up native to it. Vr/ar is here to stay and one day you'll be the one left out if you don't have access.
meta's metaverse and decentraland dont offer the kind of self expression that platforms like vrchat, second life, and even fortnite use as their life-blood. when a player is playing a video game they are performing a kind of art, and thats why vrchat and second life are still considered games, and corpo-metaverses are not.
For sure, you're def right. 8K+ per eye and 200°+ FOV are plausible by 2030, thanks to Micro-OLED and MicroLED. But manufacturing challenges and system-level compromises (GPU demands, rendering tricks) make mass market, consumer-priced headsets especially glasses-like ones more of a post-2030 reality. It’s coming, and it’ll be mind-blowing when it does, but we’re in for a slower burn than the current Zuck tech might suggest!
Exactly, people have no idea what will be possible with the tech in years to come. Even now people would be mindblown at where its at with the Quest 3.
That seems like a big problem then, given the lifespan of tech products and the way capitalism works. You're supposed to have a good value proposition from the start and then scale up/diversify. Can you think of any tech product that succeeded after languishing for years and years post-release because it was janky and pointless and its owners couldn't figure out what to do with it? Because I can't. Normally when you're eating billions in losses at launch, it's because you're trying to starve the competition through price dumping, making users an amazingly cheap offer to lock them in, Netflix style. Not because nobody wants what you're selling.
@tom4150 Nah man, look at what the kids are playing. Over a million daily users in vr just playing Gorilla tag alone which generates over 100 million dollars a year. They'll remember the Quest 3 like we remember the ps1 as they decide to play some retro stuff on gamepass installed on they're vr/ar raybans in 30 years lol
Those visionaries are already extremely rich, and what they are inventing now is for the extreme rich, for their hobbies. We have to remember that their products still are for the masses. What made them successful are the masses who uses their products. No one with their minds intact will be inside this metaverse thing for so long. We all still are very much aware of the real world and the things that should be dealt here. Things that are tangible, things that will fill our stomachs to live.
A full two years ago I asked a co-worker, "What normal person do you know spends any time in the Metaverse?" His answer: "No one." Ask Apple how much revenue they're getting from their AR headsets these days. On the other hand, the $58B they've flushed down the toilet doesn't seem to be hurting Meta's stock price.
Billions of people spend billions of hours "inside" first-person POV video games. It is said that nearly all teenage to 20s even 30s males spend the majority of their interactions "inside" these games. But meanhile zsuckerberg is a greedy idiot who still wants to steal and sell everyone else's personal data.
I was and probably still kinda im a vr enthusiast, but still as it is right now i just use my quest 2 to play vrchat from time to time I know its hard but maybe if they make it a whole integrated world like the oasis with a real economy and lasting effects like the ability to die and lose big points maybe could it be more immersive
Facebook does not take down 10+ year inactive profiles, so those who left have monitorization by Facebook. Yeah, does not make sense a company is allowed to do this. The amount of users on Facebook is billions less than what they say.
I have a FB profile, and haven't posted on it in years. Never once clicked on an FB ad either. I can't believe the amount of ad revenue they get. I'm more likely to buy something I see on a billboard.
The Quest 3 or Quest 3S are absolute no-brainers for gaming. Gaming in VR is way more intense / immersive than gaming sitted while looking at a flatscreen, besides it actually helps you move around much more. Regarding work/productivity, its actually quite useful because you can have any number of screens you want around you, which is awesome to me as a programmer. I can have one screen with code, another with regulation, another with email, another with chatgpt and another with companies' chat. Increases productivity quite a lot and I can just work while sitting comfortably on my couch. And its way cheaper than having to buy multiple screens. Furthermore, VR/XR as a whole has been growing at an average of 45%/year since 2018 according to statista, which is an astonishingly high growth rate. Even with a much lower growth rate, in around \~3 years most families in developed countries will have some kind of VR/XR device and in \~7 years VR/XR will be the main source of video-gaming (excluding mobile gaming). I'm quite shocked by the lack of knowledge in the comment section. I wonder if any of these people actually even tried VR
put a population of LLM-powered Ai avatars to attract real people. People pay monthly fee for access to AI like Chatgpt, Claude etc, give it for free in the metaverse through helpful or friendly and engaging AI avatars.
Gorilla Tag is the metaverse. We don't enter the metaverse to be avatar representations of ourselves, we enter the metaverse to be anime girls and low poly gorillas
Being in a virtual world for an extended duration like what they are trying to do here is a super bad idea. Hard-core gamers are the ones who should be most comfortable with this. I am one of these hard-core gamers. And any hard-core gamer will tell you that being in a virtual world for such an extended time like the way metaverse is trying to do is super super bad.
It's so poorly done too. Like I at least have my custom fantasy models in VR chat to stimulate my brain. People go on there cuz it's fun and not serious
As someone who writes apps for different VR headsets, I can say that the idea of "Metaverse" didn't work out as well as Zuck thought. But the fun fact is this whole idea of "digital world" is just a fraction of what VR can do . Yes it's heavy on face and yes it's not the 8K super amoled display, but it's because the industry is not matured yet. The whole dimensions of living in the game, reliving 360 videos and the sense of being 'there' cannot be recreated by phones, tablet or even the biggest cinematic theatre. In fact VR is not even the end product, the whole race is towards making them slimmer, faster and affordable so the future generation can have the most immersive experience yet.
💯 exactly. Once the tech improves and is slimmer and cheaper, vr and ar will be a huge industry. This is like when cell phones 1st came out but 20 years later it improved dramatically. VR had huge potential.
Millions invested and the avatars look like Nintendo Wii characters from 15 years ago.
Billions*
While WII is a much superior platform than the later Switch which doesn't have its own Mii character at all
Damn. Cold.
They have photo realistic avatars already. Look up the Zuckerberg Freidman interview.
I guess the billions were spent on infrastructure to run the thing, more than on widgets .. but I still think it's an insidious product, conceptually, and I hope gen Alpha reject millennial futurism and decide to live in the real world
Those are the same guys who won’t let their staff work remotely, yet expect you to live 100% of your life in their Metaverse 😂
OMG that is such an awesome point!
100%
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
OMG YES THANK YOU FOR THIS COMMENT!
Metaverse is inevitable, we are just too early, we need to get internet of things and cyborgs first before we build the metaverse
“The metaverse cannot be defined….”
It’s literally Club Penguin 2.0 😂
club penguin got closed. great days of childhood they were.
And yet worse is nearly every way.
That’s insulting to club penguin
I can't imagine anything more boring than doing chores in some tech bro's walled garden.
The Internet is the metaverse.
The internet is dead currently, highly censored, highly botted, and highly monopolized
@cvx8279 Exactly. And any other "metaverse" will be even more monitored and restricted. There is no way people can have a completely private scalable way of building a free communication exchange and infromation network.
@cvx8279 That's what happens when you aren't careful who you pay to.
your mom is the metaverse
@shadoworb-u4wyour mom is so fat, it cant fit into metaverse.
I've never been so happy that an idea failed in my entire life😂😂😂
Seriously, imagine it got so far as to require using the Metaverse for everything from banking, socializing etc. I'd finally just become an off grid hermit.
Same 😂
I don’t think it’s failed. Just this incarnation and just for now.
Google glass
My same thought 😂😂
I have 0 interest in spending time in the metaverse
Me neither. Sounds like a techies overhyped day dream😅
i barely care to live the real world what makes them think i want to put time into a fake one lol
Same, there's just no use or purpose for it at the moment. Businesses are meant to solve a problem or make things more effecient, and this does neither. It's just poor timing. Not saying it won't ever happen, but it's just not a pressing issue. We need to focus on saving planet earth.
None of these people have any clue what the metaverse is. It’s absolutely amazing but there is a heave investment in a powerful gaming PC, light houses and body tracking to actually get there in all its glory.
Reading you guys gives me hope. Thank God there's still sound people around 🙌 lol
I don't think there's enough hours in a day to visit the metaverse when your targeted consumer has to work two or three jobs to survive.....
yet they have enough time to sit on insta and FB all day. Meta didn't become 1.6T company without people having free time.
...unless those people can make a little income by watching ads inside the Metaverse.
@htconexifythat’s a terrible argument. It takes less than one minute to pull out your phone wherever you’re at in the world and load social media and start doom scrolling. If you’ve ever used VR, you would know it’s more like loading up your pc. Also you can’t use it in public unless you want to look strange.
@Bardock7132 this is where AR glasses come in
@htconexify most of them are old, 45yrs plus.
Or ur too busy with work, or too old to use Vr
Meta is really moving up, people finally have legs in the verse.
I really do not understand why i would want to spend time in Meta, like my phone addiction is bad enough.
Metaverse. Also known as VRchat, but they did everything worse for 100 times the price.
better they pay us some money from those ads as rewards
Literally. I'm amazed how everyone sees how good VR chat is and doesn't learn anything from it.
Even VRchat being on Meta's platform means it can take 30% cut of sales. So really being the platform holder is the biggest thing so they haven't done everything worse.
@hussain-x is it
@hussain-x 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
I'd rather buy food and gas than buying a VR
It just shows you how out of touch these corporations and the media that reports on them are. They don't understand this at all..
@therighteouswaytog0They’re not targeting broke people
@martinlutherkingjr.5582 the people who make the most money also aren’t using this stuff. They are working and investing in real life
@martinlutherkingjr.5582 Theyre not targeting anyone with these losses lol
@martinlutherkingjr.5582They want widespread adoption of these products, as seen by Zuckerberg commenting that "everyone who wears glasses getting ai glasses". Widespread adoption means everyone, which means broke people, since that's most people now days. If only rich people used it, it wouldn't be very profitable.
I can't concentrate on Mark Z's words.... All i see is a Lego haircut
I was studying a master's degree in marketing in 2022. We did a lot of brand consultation projects for big companies. Let's just say, EVERY BRAND at that time want to do a project on metaverse. I asked one of my professor if he thinks this trend will really happen, since post-covid consumers are actually more into f2f interactions and authenticity based platform like TikTok (whether you like it or not). He said yes cause brands demanded it to happen. Let's just say I'm so glad I was right on this one. Marketers who blindly forced things down consumers' throat are just out of touch.
THE DISCONNECT IS REAL. LOOK AT GTA6, THE CEO SAID HE'S NOT A CONSUMER OF THE PRODUCT TYPE OF BOSS. HUH????
"TikTok is an authenticity-based platform." You said you were working toward an MA/MS in marketing; I'd bet that involves quite the pile of work! Did you ever get what finished?
In any case, is "authenticity based" a thing in the SM/SVM world? It's a brand new term to me on. Who are some of the other big players in the "authenticity based" space? RUclips? Instagram?
I used to own VR entertainment business. It is fun to play and get on a rides with VR experience. But, there is another side of the technology that almost everyone forgets about - educational. In VR you can practice so many things, from doing doing a surgery, to visiting cities that you've never been. If they would promote that, maybe it'll be more successful and taken more serious 😎
Surprised this doesn’t have more likes. This would amazing and more practical for professions that require hands on training.
Don't care.
Yes but the tradeoff is wearing an uncomfortable headset. Destroying your eyesight and migraines. 🤷♂️
@Visionform eyesight is the problem..
I am (crossed fingers) getting an Omni One treadmill here very shortly. The stories I am hearing from those who already have one just make me all the more anxious. Fat gamers like me are running themselves into the ground on these things.
Only a truly clueless robotic CEO would believe people would want to enter this creepy world.
And remember, if it's free you're the product.
Metaverse will be a reality i believe. This is just the begining. We will be able to own virtual stuff in the future.
Current version yes. But you just have to look at how some people embrace massive multiplayer online games to know there is a market or interest in virtual worlds, as long as the experience is compelling.
Problem is the current meta verse is not compelling.
I mean VR is the future whether you want to believe it or not....
he's a reptilian, get it right.
Sam Altman is trying to create Samantha from the movie HER, and Zuckerberg is trying to create the Oasis from Ready Player One.
can't help but feel sad that they're spending billions just to replicate social interaction which costs nothing. hard no to feel something has gone wrong.
I wonder how close we can get to the Oasis in our lifetime. I think things will be wild in 20 years.
@nuclear__pastayou only think about the social aspect. I’m thinking the real use case of AR is productivity and convenience. We are heading to the era of abundance. It’s very exciting.
@doodoostoo90 Oasis from Ready Player one is really cool
@nuclear__pastalmao said by someone who use youtube
The Metaverse is basically just VRChat at this point
VR Chat with crypto👆🤓
Metaverse could of worked in a universe were everyone had stay at home jobs
Eric Alexander is a complete genius. We need to all start listening to him as he is completely right.
No one wants to wear that heavy headset all day for a low quality virtual experience
100%
Don’t generalize. There are multiple ways to balance the headset out, and honestly I don’t mind wearing it for prolonged periods of time.
Additionally, it’s not over…it’s just starting. We’re in early 90s for laptops and internet. 😏
They know this. They're making the headsets smaller, More powerful. Higher quality. They're cooking.
Typical argument of people that never tried VR.
EXACTLY. And that's how I felt when trying out Oculus.
Yo…. I work 2 jobs. 70 hour weeks and can’t afford food…. These billionaires have sucked all the money out of everyone and wonder why more people aren’t buying their products anymore… ironic that wealth income eventually means no one can afford your crap.
Yet 80 millions Americans had enough money to travel over the thanksgiving holiday. Please don't act like you are poverty stricken. Food for a month costs you $350 bucks if you budget and make daily food plans.
Nah, American citizens are rich enough that they are willing to pay extra for necessities in order to punish China and Mexico 😂
@Vincent_de_Paul No, many Trump voters didn't understand what tariffs were. Meidastouch has clips of people such as a Trump voter saying he thought tariffs meant the other countries pay and not America.
You need to learn how to manage your money better.
@user-gu9yq5sj7c Good sir, did you just call Trump supporters 'stupid'? Outrageous!
I’m not gonna go into a low poly world to have my choices, personal data, and behaviour data in ads.
Yet here you are on RUclips being harvested like a human hydroponic plant for those things anyway
@Bens963 Dummy account. There's a difference having a playlist, compared to having a VR headset track your height, arm length etc just by putting in on. And your behaviour in game by the choices you make.
Difference of data and meta data.
They have improved their privacy policy and now you only need one email, so it is safer.
In Horizon World app you can't change any app permissions. They can use your camera, microphone and data without any restrictions.
Metaverse just became in another Roblox 😂
Imagine buying a VR headset that runs/looks like *N64 game*
2D versus surround immersive 3D. Plus Meta's headsets can be powered by desktop GPUs. Even the latest Snapdragon mobile chips can now do way better than N64. Go check Behemoth gameplay on Quest 3 not connected to gaming pc.
It is just the app. Batman Arkham Shadows looks MUCH better.
@Drstrange3000Amazing game!
They like to show those early avatars to make the tech look worse than it actually is. Some of the latest avatars are really close to photo realistic. What they're doing on the edge of this technology is incredibly impressive - ruclips.net/video/MVYrJJNdrEg/video.html
a RTX 4090 won't fit in a VR headset lol. The only worthwhile way to do it right now is to make your gaming PC do all the heavy lifting.
Cyberpunk 2077 in VR is amazing for example
So shocked that VRChat isn’t mentioned at all. The game had full body tracking and high quality avatars before the “metaverse” even existed. It’s way better now, too! VRChat sends its regards.
It's only for wierdos and little kids
@ No doubt there are weirdos and little kids on VRChat! I’m simply pointing out how far ahead VRChat is in tech considering VRChats development team has WAY less capital to work with. Also, I’m sure the metaverse has weirdos and kids on it as well, so not sure why that was needed to be pointed out.
Any discussion about VR without any mention of things like VRC is a real disservice to the entire VR space. It makes me think that CNBC needs to do way more research on the topic than what we see in this video. VRC essentially is the metaverse Facebook only wishes it could have. But the affordability of the Quest has also helped it thrive and expand.
@Mike-xl6go Back in the early 90s, the internet was only for weirdos and little kids too, but now you're using it today to make daft comments on youtube. History will inevitably repeat itself.
@Mike-xl6goyou now need to show your ID to go into VR chat, and for age verification
The tech world is slowly becoming a dystopian feudalism
@mauricioangulos.2830 he just wants to rule the world. And he will fail miserably.
Yes. As the online domain becomes more corporate, it becomes less creative; less interesting; less fair.
Ads.... Imagine playing a game in VR headset and some ad popping up at full scale 🤣
The biggest problem with VR is the current form factor! It’s stationary-wear in a mobile first world. And most of the killer apps in today’s day and age aren’t found in a stationary world. They’re found on the go. This means that AR will likely be the clear winner once we have the right form factor, not to mention the price, great developer support, etc.
VRChat already 100% covers the social aspect of VR. Metaverse seems lower quality
Yeah but with Meta's budget and know-how, they can keep it from becoming a den of Peter Files like VRChat is.
It's not guaranteed to stick around. MySpace was huge before Facebook the same thing could happen in VR if they aren't careful
you mean Horizon Worlds? because the Metaverse is a combination of VR and AR (augmented reality) which is what meta is working on, wearable devices that will be our next cellphones but you can press a button an enter the virtual world. dont get too hyped over like brands and companies and stuff, there is plenty of room in the digital space for VRCHAT and whatever other virtual chatting programs to exist and have users. META the company making the QUEST HEADSETS are working on a larger overall project than just making HORIZON WORLDS to compete with anime children on VRCHAT.
@tiorontoron7531 they said vrchat covers there needs but I was comparing vrchat to MySpace they were around earlier but didn't stick around. Not saying meta will be the one it's like aol trying hard to own the internet someone else will come along and replace them all
Even roblox does it better. Much much better. It's advancing fast
People are already isolated from the rest of society, texting and scrolling on social media platforms like facebook. We don’t need a virtual world. We already have an amazing world filled with everything we need, go out there and experience it. And it looks like the vast majority of people are doing it because the metaverse is a total ghost town.
Too few people are I think... other than the places where survival is the utmost priority (which are most of the world unfortunately), a lot of people are trading their livelihoods for a short term dopamine hit via social media. I think we're starting to see a reaction though and I hope that means that we'll make the most of the real world.
The fitness games are really good. Surprisingly good for cardio
I agree. It is just second life really and it has been done ?
There is lacking third places in many places. Some people are poor or it requires a car and gas to go anywhere.
Many places are capitalistic and behind a paywall and requires or pressure people to have to buy things to hang around or use the restroom.
At least if people hang around in a virtual city they are not pressured to buy from the stores.
There are not free public restrooms in many places in America.
There are not sidewalks everywhere.
Some people are forced to have to jaywalk and were criminalized for it.
There are no loitering signs.
Even some malls banned teens.
There is prejudice with falsely accusing innocent people of stealing, such as African Americans or people who "look poor or homeless".
Ndagire has videos on that.
CityNerd said a Walmart wouldn't let him in because he had a backpack. He couldn't put it in a car because he didn't have one.
Watch videos on third places and walkable cities. Such as from Not Just Bikes, Flurfdesign, About Here, Oh the Urbanity, Yet Another Urbanist, Shifter, AJ Tabura, and the Aesthetic City.
Watch Cash Jordan on anti-homeless/hostile architecture. Where they refuse to provide benches or build spikes in some places.
Some businesses want to chase off anyone who is not a customer.
They even build hostile architecture on the sidewalks even though they don't own it. Sidewalks are narrow enough.
Watch the Aesthetic City on the widespread lack of beautiful architecture (and greenery and shade) and how so many places look like a desert of asphalt or a prison.
There are so many problems, destruction, and prejudice in the real world too.
People like games and virtual worlds because you can do things and dreams you can't in the real world.
Some people think it's easier to find friends online where it's open to the world with a greater amount of people.
There is also a culture of too many people being mean.
Texting is important for communication, this will evolve social relationships and reduce loneliness, especially for people who are far away from us.
I have yet to hear Zuckerberg truly describe his vision for the Metaverse. I think it’s because he doesn’t have a clear one. He’s thinking if they build something that’s cool (whatever that means) that has neat technology that people will show up and then he can show them ads and sell them stuff, but he’s just wrong.
I think he is hoping that his team or the world at large will stumble on additional use cases which he can throw money at to build.
But unfortunately additional mainstream use cases that are compelling have not appeared.
The fact that he alone is associated with it is one of the many problems with this disaster of a product, this mf has burned through so much good will
They are developing a video game, but a really bad one to start with. Anything else than a game is boring and nobody want to be on it.
He wants people to live in a room and not leave like he does. Dudes a weirdo on the spectrum. It's clearly not trying to make a profit because Meta is losing millions already lol
PS Home on ps3 was fun!
I’m surprised to see VR Chat wasn’t mentioned here at all. It’s essentially a pre-existing metaverse that’s been around for years.
Metaverse is a joke.
Try getting a job, running errands, watching the kids or getting a doctor's appointment there.
Who wants to do any of those things even in the real world?
😂😂😂 is this a real comment lmao. Who tf would ever do any of those things
Even if it's a joke it's gonna come it's inevitable!!
I hope Facebook sees this comment. It would help them a lot
Great news! In the future, nobody will have homes or children or the freedom to go buy things of their choice!
Mark burns billions in money and thousands in jobs. Yet, he still gets to keep his job.
Billionaires are rarely worth their wage and never smart enough to earn it.
well he is the boss and owns the company, so......
@gmfitzgNobody is the boss of anything . Everything you see including resources is inflated to be hierarchical with the illusion that those few at the “Top” can do what they want . As far as we know ; they breathe the same air and eat the same foods as everyone else. We all came from primes. Don’t let that illusion of separation fool you
Those weren't there to begin with.
@gmfitzg ROFL seriously. It's his company!
It’s so dystopian to me seeing images of people sitting in a nice home with a VR headset on spending all their time in a virtual world that is nowhere near as beautiful or interesting as the actual world they live in.
Rich people will live in a trailer park or ghetto neighborhood in VR to simulate the actual experience. It will be a thrill for them.
When is the last time you flew a space ship in this reality or explored an alien planet comprised of 95% ocean? Not many people get the chance. The main hook of VR is experiencing things you otherwise would not be able to.
@mizuchi-6137but that all exists without metaverse. I had that on oculus in 2017
@mizuchi-6137Preach, bruh! 😤
@mizuchi-6137I’ve never done that, and neither have you. Games are games, not experiences- the input device doesn’t change that. And when the visuals aren’t anywhere near approaching realistic, or even just on the level of modern PC/console games, that argument loses even more weight. Graphical fidelity with VR/AR will absolutely improve, but as an experience it’ll never match a realistic interaction with our surrounding world.
There’s nothing wrong with liking VR, but these “it offers never before seen experiences” arguments are complete madness. It’s just a different way of controlling a computing device.
ruclips.net/video/IdOikAHZZYo/video.html
A simple guide to the Metaverse.
We already live in "Virtual Worlds" its called "Video Games"
Simply put, Meta, Google, and the entire social media era were initially about connecting people. However, we are now experiencing a shift toward nationalism and isolation, making the concept of a "metaverse" feel outdated and no longer in vogue.. at least for the next few years ( hoping that Humanity will continue to exist afterwards)
I hate how none of these news blurbs ever mention VRChat which has done everything Meta wants to do but first and better and people actually like using it.
They've got to sell the news that metaverse+vr are dying. Nobody would click it if the headline is VR is okay
😮
I can't be the only one who thought the Metaverse was a pointless concept from the start? People are busy, have lives to live and real social connections they want to maintain. Not stare at another screen to do something half as good. The only reason the Metaverse got any traction is because people were stuck at home during the pandemic.
The metaverse would maybe become appealing if I was a literal brain in a jar.
Yeah I’d rather video conference with real people if I can’t meet face to face, or meet face to face if I can vs being in a virtual reality. I also don’t have time for that, I have a real job and two kids lol
Yeah my eyes hurt after 8 hours of office work, I'm already trying to get hobbies away from a screen after work. Just enough already.
The expensive glasses are stupid. They have those FaceTime screens that awesome. I don't understand wanting to live through an avatar that looks like Wii graphics lol
Metaverse is the prime example of companies betting on a trend without understanding the user. They do not understand how people want to live their lifes and just assume they can magically build a online world that is more enjoyable then the real worls where and this is the point I alteady have access to the internet, better graphics and more real conversations
From the beginning this all sounded like a hub world video game, and who has time to play that
I don’t want to go to virtual place to do anything. It is like you are trapped in a dream
That is precisely what I want.
Yeah it's pointless. Just let me play a VR game when I wanna interact within a game world and regular for simpler stuff or where it doesn't need to apply.
"I don't want to go to a virtual place to do anything." ... you say, while watching a RUclips video on a computer screen, interacting with strangers known to you only by display names and avatars, and living in a world with facades for democracies and Ponzi schemes for economies.
It's all virtual, friend.
It's all a dream.
@BlackkTiger it's different being in mixed reality, which I feel is pointless given augmented reality through a camera phone. I wouldn't want to have a headset to reply to your comment neither, or read an article.
Those virtual gathering rooms were so cringe during the pandemic too
It's a neat concept, but it doesn't fulfill you in any way. Having physical friends, going outside, doing things in the real world bring people satisfaction. VR can help you learn to do things like drive a car/truck/plane before you're legally able to, but people have lives in reality, not a manufactured one.
Talk by yourself.
It is an extension of life and not everyone has access to it in their environment. What better way to bring people together regardless of distance?
@Spectacles-xu8dpExactly, completing misunderstanding the point as usual. One day it'll be normal
You will see the light eventually.
Yeah our bodies are made to run and walk, breathe fresh air, socialize with extremely complex visual cues, hug our friends and families. We're literally biologically programmed for it and for our bodies to feel good from those things.
I am absolutely stunned that they could film and show this entire segment without mentioning VRCHAT with its absolute current domination of the metaverse
Right? How long can they ignore it.
Noooo that goes against the narrative that VR is doomed!
I have never heard of VRChat, and I bet no one I know does either, so yeah its looking shakey.
@russc788It is far and away the closest thing we've ever had to the metaverse. Doesn't matter if it isn't a household name, not talking about it is just bad journalism
VRChat is not dominating anything. Is it more popular than Horizon Worlds? Yes. But it's still insanely niche.
soooo its facebooks version of roblox? lol
I’d be interested in seeing them pull numbers from vrhcat and reckroom those are peob the biggest vr “metaverses” right now
ITS A SCAM😂😂😂
You mean it's Jewish i don't know man 😭😂😂😂😂😂
@PlayLearnNowYou're one of those self hating types, got it.
It's inevitable it's going to come weather we like it or not
@ AMERICAS FAVORITE BOARD GAME IS CALLED MONOPOLY!
Been watching to much CNBC that now I’m watching a 3 min ago video
Quest 3 is awesome. The metaverse, not so much... but VRchat is there doing a way better job.
This is really something that should have been a research project with a limited user pool to evaluate potential practical uses, not a full product launch
ruclips.net/user/shorts_oZPvINQ3RU🙂
Zuckerberg: "We want a billion people inside the Metaverse, for work or entertainment, so that they will never have to leave ever again."
It's strange that the vast majority did not want the possibility of home office with the metaverse
Maybe if the Metaverse had a Chaturbate add-on it would be more popular.
VRChat has 100k+ users on a daily basis and growing but it still seems niche to the mainstream
100k in a world of 3,2 billion gamers is basically a statistical error
There's over a million active users daily in Gorilla tag alone and they're mostly kids who're growing up native to it. Vr/ar is here to stay and one day you'll be the one left out if you don't have access.
@santostv.9 billion*
It's niche and gimmicky, that's part of the draw
The tech isn’t good enough yet, but eventually.
Yea like eventually once we are all dead and gone! Smh enjoy reality now
Money laundering front lmfao
IT´s called VRChat….😂
meta's metaverse and decentraland dont offer the kind of self expression that platforms like vrchat, second life, and even fortnite use as their life-blood. when a player is playing a video game they are performing a kind of art, and thats why vrchat and second life are still considered games, and corpo-metaverses are not.
it called Playstation Home and it died in 2015
Ugh I miss PlayStation Home. It was really ahead of its time tbh. I feel like it would do so much better on PS5
PlayStation home was actually really neat back in the day
Funny how this idea already failed and rich people repackaged it as the future
Idk why they give meta more screen time than what exists, like vrchat.
Need to improve the headset tech. Also need to fully integrate vr into cell phones somehow
For sure, you're def right. 8K+ per eye and 200°+ FOV are plausible by 2030, thanks to Micro-OLED and MicroLED. But manufacturing challenges and system-level compromises (GPU demands, rendering tricks) make mass market, consumer-priced headsets especially glasses-like ones more of a post-2030 reality. It’s coming, and it’ll be mind-blowing when it does, but we’re in for a slower burn than the current Zuck tech might suggest!
Not gonna lie. This is hilarious to watch.
Why give more data to FB ? 😊
VR Metaverse is not a sprint, it is a marathon
Exactly, people have no idea what will be possible with the tech in years to come. Even now people would be mindblown at where its at with the Quest 3.
Exactly… that’s the point, nobody knows. It’s almost like the tech is super niche and not worth the hype
That seems like a big problem then, given the lifespan of tech products and the way capitalism works. You're supposed to have a good value proposition from the start and then scale up/diversify. Can you think of any tech product that succeeded after languishing for years and years post-release because it was janky and pointless and its owners couldn't figure out what to do with it? Because I can't. Normally when you're eating billions in losses at launch, it's because you're trying to starve the competition through price dumping, making users an amazingly cheap offer to lock them in, Netflix style. Not because nobody wants what you're selling.
Like 3d movies lol
@tom4150 Nah man, look at what the kids are playing. Over a million daily users in vr just playing Gorilla tag alone which generates over 100 million dollars a year. They'll remember the Quest 3 like we remember the ps1 as they decide to play some retro stuff on gamepass installed on they're vr/ar raybans in 30 years lol
The Metaverse is so fetch.
Mark, stop making Metaverse happen, it's not going to happen!
😂😂😂😂@darkmatter5424
Those visionaries are already extremely rich, and what they are inventing now is for the extreme rich, for their hobbies. We have to remember that their products still are for the masses. What made them successful are the masses who uses their products. No one with their minds intact will be inside this metaverse thing for so long. We all still are very much aware of the real world and the things that should be dealt here. Things that are tangible, things that will fill our stomachs to live.
How can you talk about proto meta verses without mwntioning VR chat?
When I received my Oculus 3 I immediately went looking for the Metaverse. And then was „ THAT‘S IT???“ No wonder no one is doing anything there…😊
People buying and selling properties in the Metaverse was the most outrageous things I’ve ever heard
I remember when I first heard about that! I already wasn't sold on the Metaverse and that bit just solidified their plans as a joke.
In fact it's total nonsense.
if you think that's good you should look into Earth 2 lmao
A full two years ago I asked a co-worker, "What normal person do you know spends any time in the Metaverse?" His answer: "No one."
Ask Apple how much revenue they're getting from their AR headsets these days.
On the other hand, the $58B they've flushed down the toilet doesn't seem to be hurting Meta's stock price.
Billions of people spend billions of hours "inside" first-person POV video games. It is said that nearly all teenage to 20s even 30s males spend the majority of their interactions "inside" these games. But meanhile zsuckerberg is a greedy idiot who still wants to steal and sell everyone else's personal data.
I didn't even realize it actually existed yet
I was and probably still kinda im a vr enthusiast, but still as it is right now i just use my quest 2 to play vrchat from time to time
I know its hard but maybe if they make it a whole integrated world like the oasis with a real economy and lasting effects like the ability to die and lose big points maybe could it be more immersive
1:50 this part made me laugh out loud for some reason 😂
Can’t even afford groceries (60 percent of the American people) and wondering where 1 billion people is.
Who do you know who is starving? Who do you know who is overweight?
Yeah, Americans are not struggling to buy groceries, dude
I'll say the same thing i did in 2020, NFT's and the metaverse are a passing fad.... nothing else.
How did that work out with bitcoin?
Metaverse is garbage going nowhere
Luigi Mangione whacked the Metaverse out and not a moment too soon!
Mario Brothers still taking you to school after all these years. Shout out to the OG Miyamoto and Mangione. The Brothers ALWAYS know.
I’m nearly 85. Assuming I’m about to leave the Earth, can I just move my being to the Metaverse⁉️
I highly doubt..I have failed to understand the problem it solves, may be because am in Africa and we don't think of that meta thing
You want to live forever in a low polygon world?
If they wanted users they should have focused *way* more on actually fun games. Instead they did one mediocre game and crappy social service.
it failed because Mark tried to be cool
Haha 😆
He is cool.
Lol World of Warcraft mentioned. Loved it haha
I'm still waiting for VR version 3 body problems
Facebook does not take down 10+ year inactive profiles, so those who left have monitorization by Facebook. Yeah, does not make sense a company is allowed to do this. The amount of users on Facebook is billions less than what they say.
😂😂😂😂 with bots nah 😭😔👎....
I have a FB profile, and haven't posted on it in years. Never once clicked on an FB ad either. I can't believe the amount of ad revenue they get. I'm more likely to buy something I see on a billboard.
Meta has AI accounts now lol
Eric Alexander is completely right. We need to all wake up and realize this scam. Maybe Eric needs to take on the job of CEO of Meta!
Who needs this product?
Snoop dog bought a house in MetaVerse for 400k. I can’t even afford a 1 room apartment in the real world…
It was always about getting people to put on a headset that could beam targeted ads directly into your eyeballs.
Dumbest corporate move in history
The Quest 3 or Quest 3S are absolute no-brainers for gaming. Gaming in VR is way more intense / immersive than gaming sitted while looking at a flatscreen, besides it actually helps you move around much more.
Regarding work/productivity, its actually quite useful because you can have any number of screens you want around you, which is awesome to me as a programmer. I can have one screen with code, another with regulation, another with email, another with chatgpt and another with companies' chat. Increases productivity quite a lot and I can just work while sitting comfortably on my couch. And its way cheaper than having to buy multiple screens.
Furthermore, VR/XR as a whole has been growing at an average of 45%/year since 2018 according to statista, which is an astonishingly high growth rate.
Even with a much lower growth rate, in around \~3 years most families in developed countries will have some kind of VR/XR device and in \~7 years VR/XR will be the main source of video-gaming (excluding mobile gaming).
I'm quite shocked by the lack of knowledge in the comment section. I wonder if any of these people actually even tried VR
Great comment. The field of posts here indicate many simply do not understand the technology yet.
Good comment
@ryanbrancel thank you man, 100% agree with you!
Economy is terrible rn for 70% of the population, you can't blame them.
Metaverse? MetaFLOP
put a population of LLM-powered Ai avatars to attract real people. People pay monthly fee for access to AI like Chatgpt, Claude etc, give it for free in the metaverse through helpful or friendly and engaging AI avatars.
Great report about the metaverse. But I think it will take years before Mark Zuckerberg's vision can be realized in all its beauty...
VR has huge potential once the tech improves, headsets are slimmer, cheaper. There are so many use cases. It'll take a few more years to get there
Lack of vision and development
What are the use cases?
@TomNook. Training, learning, entertainment.
Gorilla Tag is the metaverse. We don't enter the metaverse to be avatar representations of ourselves, we enter the metaverse to be anime girls and low poly gorillas
Being in a virtual world for an extended duration like what they are trying to do here is a super bad idea. Hard-core gamers are the ones who should be most comfortable with this. I am one of these hard-core gamers. And any hard-core gamer will tell you that being in a virtual world for such an extended time like the way metaverse is trying to do is super super bad.
It's so poorly done too. Like I at least have my custom fantasy models in VR chat to stimulate my brain. People go on there cuz it's fun and not serious
The fruits of meta Verse is the rise of smart glasses which everyone are going to use sooner or later.....
As someone who writes apps for different VR headsets, I can say that the idea of "Metaverse" didn't work out as well as Zuck thought. But the fun fact is this whole idea of "digital world" is just a fraction of what VR can do . Yes it's heavy on face and yes it's not the 8K super amoled display, but it's because the industry is not matured yet. The whole dimensions of living in the game, reliving 360 videos and the sense of being 'there' cannot be recreated by phones, tablet or even the biggest cinematic theatre. In fact VR is not even the end product, the whole race is towards making them slimmer, faster and affordable so the future generation can have the most immersive experience yet.
💯 exactly. Once the tech improves and is slimmer and cheaper, vr and ar will be a huge industry. This is like when cell phones 1st came out but 20 years later it improved dramatically. VR had huge potential.
But why? I feel like the ultimate experience with the best HD graphics is reality.
@leonlee877 true but that doesn't stop people from playing video games. I believe this tech will be popular 10 years from now with the new generation
@leonlee877 there are things you can do in vr/ar that you can't in reality.
What about augmented reality that can enhance our senses
Like 3D televisions that nobody wanted, the metaverse deserves its seat on the dung heap of technology history.
I fully agree.