Excellent Review Reilly... Hirscher's refinement, control, and the way he delivers consistently position-wise, line-wise, lateral movement, timing, balance/repositioning with stability... at same time using modern tech projecting momentum down the hill direction-wise/angles is where the proven solid traditional meets modern in nearly unbeatable combination. He does this run after run... whatever the conditions, all season long... and for several seasons --- what can anyone say but WOW!!! Great analysis.
Great analysis. Hirscher is on fire and he is extremely powerful. His power lets him make the split second micro adjustments recover quickly to maintain almost perfect form at all times. He must have worked like a beast in the off season. If I may add my two cents, there has been a complete shift in focus from the upper body to the lower body due to technology in skiing. It used to be that, in slalom, the goal was a strong stable upper body with good timing and coordination on the pole plant. This would facilitate pressuring the outside ski to bend it and rebound into the next turn. The combination of timing and rebound enabled the racer to take the straightest line close to the gates. If you lost pressure on the outside ski, you would often straddle when taking a tight line. The new technology allows us to take more the approach of driving a car with with our feet. We focus more on steering our skis with our feet; the calm upper body and separation are more a consequence than the focus. My coach used to tell me that if your upper body is in the right position, you always make the turn. This clip of Alberto Tomba proves this point. You never lose sight of the number four on his bib. ruclips.net/video/U3YBjZLIDwM/видео.html Great work on these videos. Looking forward to more.
Fun to watch with analysis. The timing of Marcel's switch is an entire step ahead with the pole touch occurring immediately upon passing through the gate. Kristoffersen does not maintain the rhythm with the touch almost between the turn; this is simply too late and would not allow him to counteract forces like Marcel is executing. Kristoffersen has to follow the skis rather than counteract because he fails to execute the pole plant quickly enough. He doesn't have time to counteract. In a perfect world the timing of the pole plant allows the athlete to transfer force and release the ski before the ski enters the fall line. Really nice to watch the side by side video of two great skiers. Marcela execution is just incredible but both are outrageous skiers to begin with! Thanks for posting.
Loved the video, as always: excelent! Cannot wait until I am finally able to ski again myself after I broke my ankle a few weeks back .. the ski races and your analyses are keeping me in a positive mood though ! Keep it up !
It is much more commonly referred to throughout the snow sports industry as counter rotation and angulation. The terms you are using is based on a specific teaching program that has to make up its own terminology describing the exact same things due to the use of teenybopper social media branding that does nothing but further skew the understanding of universal fundamentals for the vapidly selfish purpose of branding differentiation.
When you finish the turn countered and facing down the fall line, the pressure is automatically exerted at the inside of the edge at the front of the boot, meaning you don’t have to work to initiate the start of the new turn. With the skis traveling across the fall line and the upper body facing down the fall line, there’s no need to consciously initiate the turn; it happens automatically. The effect is almost a feeling of being twisted so the edges engage right away. While using this old school technique makes less sense in GS, on a steep slalom course, it’s more efficient and results in less need to spend time starting the turn. Sometimes the new school technique of always squaring to the skis in between turns doesn’t make sense; one ends up spending too much time trying to get the skis to start that turn. My $0.02 anyways.
Reilly love your analysis it is spot on!! Watching this his hand carriage seems low ...i get the pole touch if there is any, and it happens through flexing of ankles, knees, core brings everything closer to snow ...they( poles) just seem a little short
The blocking pole plant momentarily stabilizes the upper body as it's connected to the ground. With a strong set upper body the legs can rotate underneath and establish new early edges at the top of the turn. The top 10 WC tech skiers are exceptionally well balanced and Hirscher above all.
When you finish the turn countered and facing down the fall line, the pressure is automatically exerted at the inside of the edge at the front of the boot, meaning you don’t have to work to initiate the start of the new turn. With the skis traveling across the fall line and the upper body facing down the fall line, there’s no need to consciously initiate the turn; it happens automatically. The effect is almost a feeling of being twisted so the edges engage right away. While using this old school technique makes less sense in GS, on a steep slalom course, it’s more efficient and results in less need to spend time starting the turn. Sometimes the new school technique of always squaring to the skis in between turns doesn’t make sense; one ends up spending too much time trying to get the skis to start that turn. My $0.02 anyways.
people do pole plant in a long turn, it is not really necessary though, and yes while changing edges so later... this type of pole plant is a short turn technique for steep terrain.
Interesting many ways: however the aim is to increase the speed and shorten the distance the person that can do that wins! Their techniques our different but which one suits the course will create a win! Newtons second law of motion allows some insight to that! Anyway all good stuff; lost odf food for thought!
Huh? I wouldn't be highlighting Henrik as the guy that took some hits. There's a reason hirscher ended with 32 slalom wins, and that's because Henrik has 19. He is also 5 years younger than Marcel.
Excellent Review Reilly... Hirscher's refinement, control, and the way he delivers consistently position-wise, line-wise, lateral movement, timing, balance/repositioning with stability... at same time using modern tech projecting momentum down the hill direction-wise/angles is where the proven solid traditional meets modern in nearly unbeatable combination. He does this run after run... whatever the conditions, all season long... and for several seasons --- what can anyone say but WOW!!! Great analysis.
I agree... It really is something to watch when hes on. He is an alien!
Great analysis. Hirscher is on fire and he is extremely powerful. His power lets him make the split second micro adjustments recover quickly to maintain almost perfect form at all times. He must have worked like a beast in the off season.
If I may add my two cents, there has been a complete shift in focus from the upper body to the lower body due to technology in skiing. It used to be that, in slalom, the goal was a strong stable upper body with good timing and coordination on the pole plant. This would facilitate pressuring the outside ski to bend it and rebound into the next turn. The combination of timing and rebound enabled the racer to take the straightest line close to the gates. If you lost pressure on the outside ski, you would often straddle when taking a tight line. The new technology allows us to take more the approach of driving a car with with our feet. We focus more on steering our skis with our feet; the calm upper body and separation are more a consequence than the focus. My coach used to tell me that if your upper body is in the right position, you always make the turn. This clip of Alberto Tomba proves this point. You never lose sight of the number four on his bib.
ruclips.net/video/U3YBjZLIDwM/видео.html
Great work on these videos. Looking forward to more.
ChannelLeusk actually Hirscher didn't really do much off season because he broke his ankle and had to recover the whole off season.
The main difference is that Hitcher always has a lower position and doesn't extend that much. A lower gravity where the transition happens faster :)
Fun to watch with analysis. The timing of Marcel's switch is an entire step ahead with the pole touch occurring immediately upon passing through the gate. Kristoffersen does not maintain the rhythm with the touch almost between the turn; this is simply too late and would not allow him to counteract forces like Marcel is executing. Kristoffersen has to follow the skis rather than counteract because he fails to execute the pole plant quickly enough. He doesn't have time to counteract. In a perfect world the timing of the pole plant allows the athlete to transfer force and release the ski before the ski enters the fall line. Really nice to watch the side by side video of two great skiers. Marcela execution is just incredible but both are outrageous skiers to begin with! Thanks for posting.
Great analysis as always, keep them coming! It always amazes me how these 2 ski so close to the limit
yes very close to the limit but still some huge technique differences... both very fast
Loved the video, as always: excelent! Cannot wait until I am finally able to ski again myself after I broke my ankle a few weeks back .. the ski races and your analyses are keeping me in a positive mood though ! Keep it up !
get well soon! I am happy these are at least keeping someone in a positive mood :)
Great analysis. The austrians had the technique right many years ago and they still do. Counteracting, counterbalance and skis close together.
Still works the same way, just now much more edge angle can be developed with the skis but same movements.
It is much more commonly referred to throughout the snow sports industry as counter rotation and angulation. The terms you are using is based on a specific teaching program that has to make up its own terminology describing the exact same things due to the use of teenybopper social media branding that does nothing but further skew the understanding of universal fundamentals for the vapidly selfish purpose of branding differentiation.
@@AtomicB-zq2cw what a lot of gibberish!
I've been coaching my athletes to face where the are going. Some call it counter, we call it Dynamic Steering.
When you finish the turn countered and facing down the fall line, the pressure is automatically exerted at the inside of the edge at the front of the boot, meaning you don’t have to work to initiate the start of the new turn. With the skis traveling across the fall line and the upper body facing down the fall line, there’s no need to consciously initiate the turn; it happens automatically. The effect is almost a feeling of being twisted so the edges engage right away. While using this old school technique makes less sense in GS, on a steep slalom course, it’s more efficient and results in less need to spend time starting the turn. Sometimes the new school technique of always squaring to the skis in between turns doesn’t make sense; one ends up spending too much time trying to get the skis to start that turn. My $0.02 anyways.
Exceptional video analysis. Looking forward to more like this.
Excellent Review Indeed. Thank You... Looking forward to further expert posts.
thanks for watching!
Reilly love your analysis it is spot on!! Watching this his hand carriage seems low ...i get the pole touch if there is any, and it happens through flexing of ankles, knees, core brings everything closer to snow ...they( poles) just seem a little short
The blocking pole plant momentarily stabilizes the upper body as it's connected to the ground. With a strong set upper body the legs can rotate underneath and establish new early edges at the top of the turn. The top 10 WC tech skiers are exceptionally well balanced and Hirscher above all.
I just loved ...your,s analysis...you have same aye as i....CONGRATS...please keep on going with it...
I will try and do as many as I can! :) Thanks for watching
Hi Reilly really nice, the same way I have been teaching steep terrain poles plants for 40 yrs some things are just laws of nature.
Classic technique and still functional.
I am an austrian skiing teacher and i coach the new style and have a lot of succes with it
Do ever thought of that Hirscher might use a binding position more in front of the ski? Or is this a FIS regulatory where it has to be?
When you finish the turn countered and facing down the fall line, the pressure is automatically exerted at the inside of the edge at the front of the boot, meaning you don’t have to work to initiate the start of the new turn. With the skis traveling across the fall line and the upper body facing down the fall line, there’s no need to consciously initiate the turn; it happens automatically. The effect is almost a feeling of being twisted so the edges engage right away. While using this old school technique makes less sense in GS, on a steep slalom course, it’s more efficient and results in less need to spend time starting the turn. Sometimes the new school technique of always squaring to the skis in between turns doesn’t make sense; one ends up spending too much time trying to get the skis to start that turn. My $0.02 anyways.
excellent analysis
Hi! What program you use for analyze ?
great 👍
In long turns do you pole plant a little later?
people do pole plant in a long turn, it is not really necessary though, and yes while changing edges so later... this type of pole plant is a short turn technique for steep terrain.
Interesting many ways: however the aim is to increase the speed and shorten the distance the person that can do that wins! Their techniques our different but which one suits the course will create a win! Newtons second law of motion allows some insight to that! Anyway all good stuff; lost odf food for thought!
Damn Kristofferson took some hits from this guy
Huh? I wouldn't be highlighting Henrik as the guy that took some hits. There's a reason hirscher ended with 32 slalom wins, and that's because Henrik has 19. He is also 5 years younger than Marcel.