Eyy dude, thank you for the comment! I'm happy to hear that people like you enjoy this type of content enough to ask for more! I won't spoil too much, but I do have SEVERAL new Ben 10 videos on the way!
A point towards your theory, Paradox confirmed that the ending of one of the games is an alternate universe. In that ending Albedo turns into alien x and is trapped as he is unable to convince Bellecus or Serena and is trapped to debate with them for as long as they want.
@@KirigiriKirinno problem, that part is stuck in my head cuz after Albedo transforms into Alien X he just stands still and if u punch him even as Ben, he would just fall down on the ground but would still stay still or immobile
I feel like there's an obvious answer as to why he didn't gather alternative Vilgax's. I doubt any of them would play subservient to another Vilgax and any Vilgax that does have an Omnitrix is probably way too evil/powerful to work with our boy.
The forge of creation exists outside the universe implying across the multiverse their is only one. Which would mean across the multiverse there is only one Alien X. So if Belecus and Serana only agree with Ben Prime then only he can use Alien X’s power.
@@andreimihail3677 That fits my theory since if Albedo showed up and Belecus and Serana expected Ben Prime it makes sense they’d punish Albedo for accessing the form. I have a theory about Paradox messing with Alien X and freeing up the third slot in it’s personality specifically for Ben, Paradox helped set up the time loop to stop Maltruent and ensure Ben always gets the watch. It also makes sense he planned for only that Ben to have Alien X, no other Ben is allowed to have it. Paradox messing with Alien X also explains why he’s not allowed within 100 light years of any Celestialsapien.
@@KirigiriKirin yes, Bellecus and Serena have the ability to both allow, and prevent transformation into Alien X, as well as prevent Ben from changing back. They have even stated that Ben is needed as the voice of reason and to be the tie breaker for them to actually get anything done. It would also stand to reason, that because they have knowledge of him before he ever became Alien X, that they would also have knowledge of the alternate Ben's as well and deem them unworthy or unable to serve as the voice of reason, and thus not allow them to use Alien X.
@@EmbertineI don’t think that’s entirely true that Bellicus and Serena are the ones that control whether Ben can transform back or not. Yeah they can, but we see in one episode that Paradox clearly knew how to transform Ben back without their approval so it can be done without the two.
@nem3sis760 True, but they have at least some power over the Omnitrix to prevent Ben from changing back, even if Azmuth or Paradox come along and forcibly reset the transformation to Default(human) Also Ben never got the manual for it, so maybe they lock the basic way but don't lock the advanced way because they know that if someone like Paradox or Azmuth needs Ben to transform out of Celestialsapien, shit's really going down.
A huge reason I think the evil Ben army didn’t have any Alien X users is simply because if they had Alien X unlocked and usable they either would be stuck in an eternal debate or alternatively they would be so powerful that they would likely kill or enslave Vilgax if he tried to bring them to his side
I've heard that one of the creators of the show said all Omnimatrixes share the one Alien X. Of course each writer has their own ideas on how everything works. But it's an interesting possibility that once Prime Ben gained favor with Alien X's personalities, he gained near exclusive rights to the transformation.
Yeah it’s confirmed that Alien x is just a singular being Also in case you have heard of this misconception, Ben is also confirmed to be able to destroy a multiverse with a thought, people still believe he needs eight debates in order to do so but he currently has full access to Alien x’s power
There was an argument in another video (I forgot where) that Ben 10K also cannot fully control Alien X, he had to fuse it with Atomix in order to circumvent the two personalities. Which is why Atomic-X isn't as powerful as pure Alien X because fusion splits the two alien's DNA in half and combine it to form another new kind of Alien. In that argument, splitting Alien-X's DNA in half allows its user to take control of Alien-X without the need to argue with the two personalities but also made him extremely weak, which is why Atomic-X is vulnerable to Time-Bomb. Duncan Rouleau, creator of ben 10 series, stated that any fusion with Celestialsapien DNA is less powerful than Alien X due to the Celestialsapien DNA being diluted.
in my headcanon, whenever any future version of Ben meets Ben Prime, it turns said version into an alternate timeline as Said future Ben didn't experience the same events Ben did. Considering Ben Prime got control over Alien X(after meeting Ben 10000) and Ben 10000 didn't, it makes sense
Albedo only can mentally alter his dna to whatever aliens were in the active playlist of the ultimatrix at the time when Ben interfered with Albedo’s machine to transform him back to galvan form. Alien X was currently locked out of the active playlist without the keys that Gwen and Kevin had. Albedo only had access to every classic, af (minus Alien X) and ua alien (and Gravattack). He doesn’t have playlists anymore because he doesn’t have an omnimatrix device.
A good point! I hadn't considered that! Then again, would the Alien X lock technically not be active for Albedo's device because that was a physical attachment for the main Omnitrix? We only ever see Ben using the keys *after* he already got the Ultimatrix, right? Also, if it was locked, why would the hologram still show up for Albedo? I'm not trying to argue or disprove your point, I'm just asking if there's some details I missed that explain that stuff
@@KirigiriKirin because that screenshot was from the alien force episode “The Final Battle: Part 1” seconds after Albedo finished the Ultimatrix and while it was still linked to the Recalibrated Omnitrix’s playlists.
@@KirigiriKirinI assume the locks basically put Alien X or it's DNA sample in a sort of box locked and put off to the side from all other transformations, because if it wasn't then Ultimate Kevin would've unintentionally absorbed portion of Alien X's Power then been stuck in the mindscape like they say would've happened to Aggregor if he absorbed the power of an adult Celestialsapien. (Side note) Or if the Theory about Atomi-X being used by Ben 10k so much is because a "Diluted Alien X" is more easily manipulated is true, that would mean Ultimate Kevin would've never lost any fight/gone completely insane with power madness.
Funny to think how although albedo didn’t have access to Alien X, he had access to Gravattack even before he acquired his stabilizer (bcuz he essentially became his own living omnitrix) Wonder if he had a Nemuina or kickin Hawk’s species.. maybe even Atomix or clockwork. Always wondered what would happen if albedo became the ultimate variants of the OV aliens, would’ve come in handy.
A note against Vilgax's ability to team up with other variants of himself through the multiverse. Vilgax is obviously evil, perhaps the most evil within the series wishing for nothing but endless conquest - if Vilgax was to form a team completely made up of alternate selves, then they would most certainly fight for control over the group which would cause the plan to flop. Although, it would be humorous to see Omniverse Vilgax get obliterated by classic Vilgax and Future Vilgax since the two are obviously more capable than Vilgax Prime.
This was exactly my thought process when he introduced the idea of Vilgax and his other dimensional selves. Vilgax and his cronies would be fighting each other over their own tentacle mustaches, let alone let one take the reigns completely.
5:35 Instead of putting Alien X DNA inside the Omnitrix. I like to think that the Omnitrix just transport Alien X to Ben location and Ben into Alien X mind space. Since Alien X exist before Ben and continue to after he die, it could be assumed that Paradox trick them to become anchored to the Omnitrix and because a transformation.
That's certainly an interesting theory! Personally, I don't think we know enough about the Omnitrix to say if your theory makes sense/works or not, but I support the idea fully! A very interesting take!
These theories really making me wish that we had some kind of Prof. Paradox spin-off series where we follow him on grand cosmic adventures that all tie into the main events of the show or something like that
There's only one forge of creation at the center of the Omniverse so all Alien X transformations across the Ominiverse have the same personalities inside them and Paradox said there's a time-line where Albedo got trapped in Alien X for a year, so, Bellicus and Serena just not allowing evil Omnitrix users to use their powers at all and the younger inexperient/immature versions being unable to win in an argument with them makes perfect sense
Perhaps its like how Kuro put it in the heroes united reaction. "If this is the same timeline, even the so much things change there is the ROLE of someone being the HERO"
The Ben of the game vilgax attacks (I think it was this game) is a different version of Ben and he is able to use alien x. It also appears that he has a better relationship with Bellicus and Serena as they let him turn back to human instead of keeping him in alien x form unlike Ben prime.
You could also draw the point of Ben Prime being the voice of reason and thus being the one capable of convincing Bellicus and Serena is because he is from the prime timeline. Meaning he has the most reason, as his existence is the most logical. Since every other universe/dimension would be a deviation from his path.
@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy There could be another that's near equal to him. Like no watch Ben. But my point was to add another layer of ground to the idea that Ben Prime can use Alien X because he gained Belicus and Serena's favor. Ben Prime is the origin of all other versions of him in the omniverse, aka he's the original. And by the metric is the most logical in existence. For without him no other Ben would be made. And the omniverse wasn't brought up until the Omniverse series, where we meet all the other Bens. They were created to serve a role in the story of Ben Prime, the original story, hence they are derivatives of his original nature. This sorta works from an outside view, looking into the show, it's creative decisions and writing, which alien x can effect.
there is actually a timeline were albedo did turn into alien X witch happend in a ben 10 game and witch professor paradox in UAF referenced by saying "in a world where Albedo was trapped as Alien X for nearly a year"
I always assumed that if another Alien X tried to erase our Ben, the omnitrix would just turn Ben into Alien X as well, which is arguably worse for Vilgax then just not trying to erase Ben and having him not turn into Alien X, hence why Vilgax never had it happen
2 things: we could say that celestiansapiens are 4 dimensional beings we could assume that ben is the default user of the omnitrix since there are more bens that anyone with omnitrixes, so maybe ben is the perfect person to use the omnitrix since other subjects go wrong somewhere and god knows how they end (imagine azmut fucks up something with the dna, they die, they "go rogue" with to much power and die/end in galactic prision, etc), or maybe the owner of the omnitrix is always someone good (celestial sapiens did it) and at some point some of them turn evil
Wait, didn't a fraction of alien X was able to cut an extra dimensional barrier that even the contumelia can't stop it or breach and contumelia are 5d. Does that make alien X above 5d?
here's something about alien x i wonder about sometimes... if alien x can rewind time, is it possible for him to freeze it? could ben, serena and bellicus have debates in a stopped time? if he can't, can he modify ben's personal state? like, theoretically, could ben ask for control over alien x in exchange for spending his sleeping hours talking with them, and they just give him a free full night rest in its place? just makes me wonder if ben could have had full alien x control much earlier if he made the right proposal.
When it comes to Ben's who started to leave the heroic path, I would also count Benzarro. As I always given his zombie look, his reality looks like a zombie apocalypse(think marvel zombies if you want) and Benzarro was just as heroic as Ben Prime but clearly became infected with a virus that would ultimately lead to his zombie look and become a fallen hero. (I say this as I'm kinda mad that Omniverse only showed two different Ben's realities both Ben 23 and Mad Ben)
There's a Ben 10 wiki page that says Benzarro's dimension is ridden with a zombie virus that (If I remember correctly) was caused by some sort of bomb fallout. I agree though, I wish we'd seen more evil Ben realities!
@amarnathvarma3852 That's a good point. It can save Ben from the verge of death and it can bring back entire worlds. Maybe a plot hole? Or maybe a Canon glitch
So if Ben procured a bunch of Bioid's and turns them all into Alien X would they all be connected in a sort of hive mind or would they be different personalities working to the same goal? Would they all be as powerful as Alien X or would 12 total copies be individually 1/12th as powerful?
I do remember a statement from Man of Action stating that no matter what version of Ben uses Alien X, it's the exact same Alien X all the time meaning that it exists in a state where he's basically everywhere and nowhere at the same time. It also said "as to which one they'd help depends on who activates it first", so basically whoever pulls Alien X in the Omnitrix first is the one who gets to use it, so theoretically any of them could. My guess is that when Ben 10k went Atomic X (which from what I remember is one of his most common fusions), it locked the others out of Alien X due to the Celestialsapien DNA technically being in use at the time
all of the cronosapiens exist in a dimension that is above our own, they are 4th or 5th dimensional beings. Thats why every single Ben across the multiverse share the same Alien X because AX exist outside of universe so they aren’t bound to the traditional rules of space/time. That’s why AX is technically “everywhere and nowhere” at the same time. And if we are following traditional rules of space/time then I believe it’s also possible for two bens to be Alien X at the same time. Remember that AX exist outside and above their dimension so just like how they aren’t bound by the traditional rules of space, they aren’t bound by Ben’s time either. So not only is he “everywhere and nowhere” at the same time but he is everywhere/nowhere “all at once” from a time perspective. Two Alien Xs should be able to hypothetically exist at the same time within the same area of the universe because AX isn’t bound to time. So there can be two AXs just chilling together. Now I don’t think there’s a rule the only ONE Ben can use AX at a time because that really wouldn’t make sense from a chronosapien perspective unless those two personalities specifically told Ben that they don’t want to encounter another instance of themselves. And the two AXs most likely wouldn’t fight each other because why would AX want to fight themselves for some petty multiverse reason like two bens going at it lol, they would probably deem it irresponsible. But since Ben Prime has full control, he could hypothetically beat another Alien Xs ass with little to no issue cause the other bens will be debating or straight out denying the fight.
Its important to note that Albedo, aside from already having it proven that he cant reach an agreement with B and C in the Vilgax Attacks game, might not even have access to alien x. His stabilizer stabilizes forms that ben had available during albedos last appearance in UA. At that time, Alien X was locked away from Bens playlist by keys held by Gwen and Kevin
I honestly feel Bad Ben has a shot at using Alien X, he seems to be much smarter and manipulative than the other Ben's, i could see him convincing serena and belicus to give him control.
I think it was stated that there is only one Alien x that each alternative ben has access to since celestial sapiens live outside the multiverses so if two bens transformed to Alien they will probably fight over control in someway maybe see who will persuade belligus and seriena
Albato's alien x personalities are not the same as Ben's because they have different names and are more like Albato and the main reason ben can use alien x is because his two personalities are still fighting not because of his nature although it is a part of the reason why he previously had control over it as they only gave him limited time to use it and because of what he has using it for is why he got permission before but know because alienx's personalities are letting him control while they are arguing is the real reason he has control
@@agrilsunil1 When the wiki page links to the quote, yeah, I think I can trust it. Derrick J Wyatt stated that Albedo's Alien X personalities are red and have different names. I don't have access to what I believe is where the quote comes from (Derrick's askfm page), but as far as I can tell, it is legitimate.
Well there was a Statement by Duncan that suggests Alien x is Omnipresent in the Omnitrix's in the Omniverse As well as a Statement by Bellicus in his Debut "Alien X doesn't do Anything until it's put to a Vote we only cut you slack cause you're new..But that's the Procedure" Either Suggesting 2 Things 1)Bellicus was just explaining how Alien X functions 2)Explaining that It's Standard Procedure to allow anyone who first transforms into Alien X to get a Free First Action I'm more Leaning to number 2
It's stated that Alien X can be used by only one of the Bens across the Multiverse at a time basically all the Bens can't turn into Alien X at the same time. That one Alien X just goes to whichever Ben or Omnitrix user needs him at that time. All the Bens and Omnitrix users across the multiverse use the same Alien X.
vilgax can not even have gotten the first omnitrix because it was connected to max's DNA because max was the one who was supost to get the omnitrix and that also explains why Gwen was able to get it to.
@@KirigiriKirin ik but that omnitrix i was talking about was the first one and that one was attached to max's DNA thus how ben and even gwen was able to put it on.
Then how was Argit able to get the Omnitrix, because when they(Ben and Prof. Paradox) were jumping around universes and recruiting, they encountered an Argit with a Omnitrix.
Some other people in the comments brought up that game! They were saying that Albedo was able to transform into Alien X, but he couldn't use it and instead got trapped inside Alien X for a year
I think the only thing Id point out is the fact that whenever you use the term dimension, you actually mean timeline. I know Omniverse kept using the whole dimension 23 to represent Ben 23, however if you look at what a dimension actually is in the Ben 10 lore and what a timeline is you'd see that what these bens or other omnitrix wielding beings are, are beings from other timelines. Think of prime Ben being the trunk of a tree, all the other counterparts being timelines, dimensions being realms that reside within the universe and the universe it's being analogous to the whole tree.
Also albedo in an alternate timeline he used alien x bjt was stuvk for a year with belecus and swlena bc he couldnt agree with em the event is confirmed by dr paradox aswell
Ooh, it looks like I've stumbled across a future animation lore channel while it's still small. Best of luck to you in the future. With content like this, I'm sure you'll be a huge channel in no time.
Aww, thank you so much for this comment! It really put a smile on my face! I definitely feel more inclined to produce animation lore content in the future, but I'm hoping that my other content that I enjoy making doesn't get drowned out as a result lol
One theory could be that if anyone of them turns into alien X then even if they could convince them to do anything they would be staring at 2-4 alien X’s when they got out because if I saw someone turn into alien X then all limiters are off. They have plenty of time to transform into something equal with how long it took even Ben Prime to fix a single dam in the first appearance.
I think your theory on the heroic ben role of the dimensional omnitrix users is flawed when we take into consideration omnitrix Argit. He's more or less just Argit being argit, but with the argitrix
Yeah but Argit is good deep down, I'd argue. He cared about Andreas and he set up a security company, and he was worried for Kevin when Ben used Alien X
@@KirigiriKirin maybe he is good deep down, but not to the extent that I think he'd take on the role ben does in the original timeline. He's still done a lot of questionable things.
Albedo cannot have Alien X as a transformation if you remember in Ultimate Alien Ben was only shown to transform into Alien X once in episode "The Forge of Creation" and there we learned that Ben has installed a feature where Alien X's DNA in particular will always be locked away and can be only used when both Kevin and Gwen insert their keys into the Ultimatrix stating specifically that the reason for locking that transformation through this key based security system is so that enemies namely Albedo cannot get access to Ben's strongest transformation even if they get access to the Ultimatrix themselves Exhibit A- The Plant monsters And when Albedo gained his ability to transform in other aliens in episode "Double or Nothing" it was because of that accident with Ben and the Ultimatrix when he was trying to regain his original self back and that accident AGAIN happened because of the Ultimatrix which I just explained have literally the Alien X Transformation being locked under lock and key and would need to be unlocked for a use which is likely why when Albedo absorbed the DNA of all the aliens (including ones we haven't seen yet either like Gravattack) Alien X's DNA was not absorbed because of the locking mechanism Also hypothetically speaking all of the Alien X is the same Alien X for all the Omnitrix users across the Multiverse being the same Belicus and Serena versions as stated by Duncan Rouleau that Alien X is beyond Time and Space and the same version exist for every reality the only reason we saw Alien X's first appearance the way we did is because Ben Prime's reality is the first and main reality and it is the one from which the entire multiverse branches from and thus it is likely that Alien X in general was birthed and accessed for the first time in the Multiverse when Ben Ben used it in Alien force episode "X= Ben + 2" and Alien X was birthed into existence while Serena and Belicus met their first version of Ben Tennyson being Ben Prime in what is to be followed by a multiverse of them
I do agree with a lot of your points here, but didn't Albedo have the Ultimatrix with Alien X *before* Ben got the Ultimatrix and put a lock on it? Not trying to argue, just stating that I think timeline-wise that it still fits? I might be wrong, ofc
@@KirigiriKirin true but to that I just say Codon stream linkage Azmuth explained it in Alien Force season 3 episode" Primus" that the Omnitrix devices until end of UA were just recievers to the actual DNA storage that is Primus and that Omnitrix only uses that info that is present in Codon stream Albedo being Azmuth's ex-assistant just.... was smart enough to tap into the same frequency and download the data for his Ultimatrix Think of him like one of those smart neighbours who can always hack into your Wifi and login without a password because they refuse to pay for their own the OV Omnitrix though has its own DNA container system
@@KirigiriKirin We are all just fans in the end using different plaforms and sources of output to show and share our love for the franchise through different ways
I always wanted to see an Ultimate Ben transformation where he has all the powers and functionalities of the Omnitrix simultaneously except for Alien X. I know we see something kind of like this in Ultimate Alien with future Ben, but he still had to call out the names of the aliens and use them one at a time so not what I'm talking about.
True! The reboot follows a different continuity and doesn't follow the exact same canon rules as the original franchise, so I didn't feel it was necessary to bring up in this particular video. Thank you for bringing up that it does indeed exist tho!
I think all Ben’s do have access to their own Alien X, but they either just don’t have access to that yet or they can’t physically control it because of Serena and Bellicus not agreeing to give those maniacs the responsibility. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they actually tried it out off screen
i think the answer is basically just: Balicus and Serina > the concept of time itself Their consciousness supersedes time and thus any timeline shenanigans. They basically choose when they feel like letting Ben use Alien X, so it stands to reason they can choose which Ben they feel like dealing with. They also seam to not like Ben enough to want to actively avoid dealing with any and all other Bens who they can, or Bens who cant properly fulfill his role as a non partisan neutral voice of reason between Belicus and Serina
Well, maybe not "non partisan", but he gets them to actually DO stuff and make decisions, even if he does lean more towards heroism and furthering his own goals.
Thank you very much! I aimed to make the video watchable for anybody, so I sprinkled in a few facts for context across the video's runtime. I'm glad I was able to make a fun experience for you!
@@KirigiriKirin Thank you! I remember watching Ben 10 when I was younger and seeing the giant white one? I don’t remember much, but seeing alternate Ben’s and evil Bens? Oh my lord that is a very interesting concept! In all great job on the video!
Alien X is literally black Elemental Hero Neos design wise Now that I think about it Jaden and Ben are so similar in terms of their characters. Both wear colorful jackets, both use their powers to save the day (Season 4 Jaden materializes Neos and movie Jaden makes Yubel shoot literal ki blasts to "save" the people) and both have a monster/alien that look so similar to each other. _I know this comment is kinda random and off topic but as soon as I saw Alien X in the thumbnail I couldn't stop thinking about these similarities lol_ Great video though, funny editing heh
The reason Vilgax didn't find a timeline where another vilgax had the watch was likely because that Vilgax would be objectively more powerful, and there's nothing stopping that one from going "Why should i listen to a watchless loser like you," and killing our Vilgax. Especially if he's just as power hungry as ours, he would probably rather conquer this universe for himself, rather than let an inferior vilgax take it.
I'm pretty sure Bad and Mad Ben would have access to Alien X, as they have versions of the official Omnitrix, which has access to all the DNA in their universes. The only way they wouldn't have Celestial Sapien DNA is if a Celestial Sapien never gave it's sample to that universes Azmuth, or they never made themselves known to that universe
4:00 actuly there was a onather ben that used alien X .Evil ben from reboot in alien x-tinction specil.. But he did unlock alien x on a difrent way (smashing the omnitrix) and was pretty weak sence he got defrated by lego,apmhibian ,ripjaws, two 10 year old heatblasts and chromostone.
One point about your theory that alternative Vilgax with Omnitrix would not be evil, may not be true. Remember when Paradox and his team of Bens were off recruiting, they see Argit in a pile of gold? Ya, he is not at all worthy of Omnitrix, still he had it. I think, as others suggested, it has to do more with Vilgax knowing he would not be able to work with other himselves... Oh, and also, didn't he actually want to destroy all of the timelines containing Omnitrixes? I believe his real goal was to rule the only timeline where no Omnitrix was there. So there was no point in collecting other Vilgaxes.
I do agree, but at the same time, Argit is kind-hearted deep down. He cares about Kevin and he cares about Undertown and he wouldn't be president of Earth if he didn't care about everyone there. Sure, he's scummy at times, but tbf so is Ben.
The closest thing we got to an alternate Ben using Alien X was through OV Ben 10K using Atomic X. Though it’s not the full sample of Celestialsapien DNA, it’s still a noteworthy mention.
4:01 there was also a Ben from the game “Ben 10 Alien Force: Vilgax attacks” who transformed into alien X. I am not sure if it’s confirmed, but some people say that this is a different dimension Ben, so maybe 3 versions
@@KirigiriKirin though i'd love to see Ultimate Alien X. As an Ultimate God, he can defeat any regular god, including the Presence and the One Above All.
I think Ben 23 and Gwen 10 would be able to use the omnitrix's version of Celestialsapiens after enough experience and reasoning is earned through their own trials and tribulations. They are both still heroic at heart. Gwen and Ben are so alike besides their base work ethic and Gwen's perfectionist upbringing. Gwen, Grandpa Max, and even Kevin who showed restraint while going mad in UA would be suitable weilders for the most part in a fully sound mind. Ben 23 just was stunted a bit due to his lack of Grandpa Max, but even if he is more egotistical on a surface level. He became a hero, even if one who is a bit selfish, and he did still fight to save the multiverse, and didn't seem to be thriving mentally without Azmuth, Tetrax, and Six Six's help. But give it some years and he'll probably be more reasonable than a vast majority of other users. May I remind you that Argit even eclipses current Ben 23 in selfishness by a landslide?
In an alternate universe, (video game) Albedo actually DID turn into alien X but he was trapped as him for a year having to plead with Bellicus and Serena to let him go.
Ok so for people who didn't pay attention to the lore. When one turns into an Alien X. Their identities are divided into two consciousness. These contemplate every thought the host has ever had. The only difference is Alien X is capable of Manifesting these thoughts. For OG Ben Compassion and Reason are his greatest traits to be a hero. For these other Ben we don't know what their duality of consciousness. Also it would be incredible boring
@nem3sis760 No what I'm stating comes from Asmuth himself. That the Omnitrix isn't some kinda of technology. It is a device used so beings can walk in others shows. Within DNA lies genetic memory and the Omnitrix allows that memory to be accessible. When the Omnitrix fuses with Ben it's fuses the genetic memory of whatever alien with Ben. Using Ben own experiences he can utilize each alien with expertise. The Ultimatrix wasn't designed with this feature. As such the Alien DNA within the Ultimatrix is inert or without consciousness. Rather Albedo sought to replace the genetic memory feature. Namely he believed Galvian Eugenics didnt want other genetic memory affecting his own. So he fashioned the 10,000 war sequence. Where the DNA itself would be exposed to 10 000 war simulations to forcibly evolve the genetics. Now though we've seen all the variants of Ben. We haven't seen all the variations of Asmuth or whoever created the Omnitrix in their realm. We can't stipulate oh just because it worked once it will work every time. Hence why multivariate theory of any kind is just normal peoples notion of perfection. If it's perfect here then it's perfect elsewhere. Yet the Omnitrix is still in development. Asmuth has compared the Omnitrix to a newborn on several occasions. It learns from Ben experiences and is monitored by Asmuth. Which also means Albedo war sequence wouldn't work. Namely if Celestialsapiens experienced a war so great it forced them to evolve. Given their circumstances their evolution would be fusion. That multiple Alien X would fuse together in order to achieve greater operations. Like Alien X didn't recreate an entire universe. Rather it experienced the universe end then used its own life force to reset it. An Ultimate Alien X wouldn't have reset it. No it would orchestrated a new dimensional plane where it is far superior than the original. To summarize Omniverse sucks
so...coming back too this a year later i realised something. This video kind of rides on the fact albedo had alien X in his final state...but...he didnt. Albedo only has aliens that where present during ultimate aliens episode "double or nothing" and prior. The big bomb thing Albedo made too allow him too return too his galvan form was supposed too also let him transform into any alien in the ben 10 universe but because of the ultimatrixes interference albedos transformations only lasted a few seconds and he can only transform into the aliens ben had unlocked up too that point so that means albedo doesnt have any aliens from the Omniverse Omnitrix. But before double or nothing at some point Ben and Kevin made those weird keys too lock away alien X for safe keeping specifically too "Prevent albedo from accessing this one." So when albedos bomb went off he didnt have the celestialsapien transformation at his disposal. And the stabilizer only gave albedo ultimate aliens but didn't give him more dna samples (ben already had gravattack during ua just didnt use him). So video debunked since Albedo DIDNT have alien X and the other bens likely didnt unlock him at that point
Albedo literally has Alien X's silhouette unlocked in his ultimatrix? Also he had the ultimatrix before Ben, so he had Alien X before Ben and Kevin made the keys for the ultimatrix
@@KirigiriKirin true but albedo only had the original ultimatrix for so long before it got taken by ben leaving him unable too transform until double or nothing. (edit) And he did HAVE alien X but he didnt use it when he had the chance
Well there is this new rebooted ben 10 movie were the villain was a evil ben stuck inside the aline x thats makes whole the arguments once again debatable!😬
Ben 10 series is awesome story that can easily become one of big franchise if they are seriously invested they time, money, effort and dedication. It has potential to go toe to toe with mcu.
Dude make more videoes this content is amazing
Eyy dude, thank you for the comment! I'm happy to hear that people like you enjoy this type of content enough to ask for more!
I won't spoil too much, but I do have SEVERAL new Ben 10 videos on the way!
LEGIT LOVE THIS CHANNE;
@@MagicalGirlStrawberry AWWW TY MGS!
@@KirigiriKirinthere was a scene with argent who has a watch
@@threeofjays6420 Argit is a good guy deep down
A point towards your theory, Paradox confirmed that the ending of one of the games is an alternate universe. In that ending Albedo turns into alien x and is trapped as he is unable to convince Bellecus or Serena and is trapped to debate with them for as long as they want.
Ooh, thank you for another piece of supporting evidence, Bud!
not an ending, it was in the DS version of Vilgax Attacks which shows Albedo transforming into Alien X after u fight him in that game
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Thank you for the correction!
@@KirigiriKirinno problem, that part is stuck in my head cuz after Albedo transforms into Alien X he just stands still and if u punch him even as Ben, he would just fall down on the ground but would still stay still or immobile
@@theamazingspooderman2697 That sounds incredibly funny ngl
I feel like there's an obvious answer as to why he didn't gather alternative Vilgax's. I doubt any of them would play subservient to another Vilgax and any Vilgax that does have an Omnitrix is probably way too evil/powerful to work with our boy.
Not to mention he would know that the other Vilgax would probably and double cross each other, so there would be no point
@@dspace4514Vilgax knows himself too much to trust himself
The forge of creation exists outside the universe implying across the multiverse their is only one. Which would mean across the multiverse there is only one Alien X. So if Belecus and Serana only agree with Ben Prime then only he can use Alien X’s power.
Ah, okay! Well, that fits nicely with my theory then
Don't forget about Albedo turning into Alien X in the DS version of Vilgax Attacks, but being stuck there for an year
@@andreimihail3677 True!
@@andreimihail3677 That fits my theory since if Albedo showed up and Belecus and Serana expected Ben Prime it makes sense they’d punish Albedo for accessing the form. I have a theory about Paradox messing with Alien X and freeing up the third slot in it’s personality specifically for Ben, Paradox helped set up the time loop to stop Maltruent and ensure Ben always gets the watch. It also makes sense he planned for only that Ben to have Alien X, no other Ben is allowed to have it. Paradox messing with Alien X also explains why he’s not allowed within 100 light years of any Celestialsapien.
@@julianadams3710damn that makes sense
It's also important to note, that Ben can only transform into Alien X if the other two personalities inside allow him to first.
I never knew that was a factor!
@@KirigiriKirin yes, Bellecus and Serena have the ability to both allow, and prevent transformation into Alien X, as well as prevent Ben from changing back. They have even stated that Ben is needed as the voice of reason and to be the tie breaker for them to actually get anything done. It would also stand to reason, that because they have knowledge of him before he ever became Alien X, that they would also have knowledge of the alternate Ben's as well and deem them unworthy or unable to serve as the voice of reason, and thus not allow them to use Alien X.
@@EmbertineI don’t think that’s entirely true that Bellicus and Serena are the ones that control whether Ben can transform back or not. Yeah they can, but we see in one episode that Paradox clearly knew how to transform Ben back without their approval so it can be done without the two.
@nem3sis760 True, but they have at least some power over the Omnitrix to prevent Ben from changing back, even if Azmuth or Paradox come along and forcibly reset the transformation to Default(human)
Also Ben never got the manual for it, so maybe they lock the basic way but don't lock the advanced way because they know that if someone like Paradox or Azmuth needs Ben to transform out of Celestialsapien, shit's really going down.
noop they could but in the ep where ben goes to trial for recreating universe he has full control of alien x without any other personality
A huge reason I think the evil Ben army didn’t have any Alien X users is simply because if they had Alien X unlocked and usable they either would be stuck in an eternal debate or alternatively they would be so powerful that they would likely kill or enslave Vilgax if he tried to bring them to his side
I've heard that one of the creators of the show said all Omnimatrixes share the one Alien X.
Of course each writer has their own ideas on how everything works.
But it's an interesting possibility that once Prime Ben gained favor with Alien X's personalities, he gained near exclusive rights to the transformation.
Yeah!
Yeah it’s confirmed that Alien x is just a singular being
Also in case you have heard of this misconception, Ben is also confirmed to be able to destroy a multiverse with a thought, people still believe he needs eight debates in order to do so but he currently has full access to Alien x’s power
Ah yes, Prime Universe Bias. Prime Unipotism
@@yangchenlhamo7537 Pretty unbased of the multiverse to be biased ngl
@@KirigiriKirin Gigachad prime Ben, can use alien x, has god rizz
Simp other bens, can't use alien x.
There was an argument in another video (I forgot where) that Ben 10K also cannot fully control Alien X, he had to fuse it with Atomix in order to circumvent the two personalities. Which is why Atomic-X isn't as powerful as pure Alien X because fusion splits the two alien's DNA in half and combine it to form another new kind of Alien. In that argument, splitting Alien-X's DNA in half allows its user to take control of Alien-X without the need to argue with the two personalities but also made him extremely weak, which is why Atomic-X is vulnerable to Time-Bomb.
Duncan Rouleau, creator of ben 10 series, stated that any fusion with Celestialsapien DNA is less powerful than Alien X due to the Celestialsapien DNA being diluted.
That'd make a lot of sense! Thank you for bringing it up here!
in my headcanon, whenever any future version of Ben meets Ben Prime, it turns said version into an alternate timeline as Said future Ben didn't experience the same events Ben did. Considering Ben Prime got control over Alien X(after meeting Ben 10000) and Ben 10000 didn't, it makes sense
@@066kshitizvsingh4literal cannon said in af/ua every future meeting changes his future
but alien x has infinite power and half of infinity is still infinity
@gamingassassin20 you take lemonade poor water in it the lemonade isn't going to be as strong x powers don't matter its not x its the dna itself
Albedo only can mentally alter his dna to whatever aliens were in the active playlist of the ultimatrix at the time when Ben interfered with Albedo’s machine to transform him back to galvan form. Alien X was currently locked out of the active playlist without the keys that Gwen and Kevin had. Albedo only had access to every classic, af (minus Alien X) and ua alien (and Gravattack). He doesn’t have playlists anymore because he doesn’t have an omnimatrix device.
A good point! I hadn't considered that! Then again, would the Alien X lock technically not be active for Albedo's device because that was a physical attachment for the main Omnitrix? We only ever see Ben using the keys *after* he already got the Ultimatrix, right? Also, if it was locked, why would the hologram still show up for Albedo?
I'm not trying to argue or disprove your point, I'm just asking if there's some details I missed that explain that stuff
@@KirigiriKirin because that screenshot was from the alien force episode “The Final Battle: Part 1” seconds after Albedo finished the Ultimatrix and while it was still linked to the Recalibrated Omnitrix’s playlists.
@@Skitations Ah, okay! Got it
@@KirigiriKirinI assume the locks basically put Alien X or it's DNA sample in a sort of box locked and put off to the side from all other transformations, because if it wasn't then Ultimate Kevin would've unintentionally absorbed portion of Alien X's Power then been stuck in the mindscape like they say would've happened to Aggregor if he absorbed the power of an adult Celestialsapien. (Side note) Or if the Theory about Atomi-X being used by Ben 10k so much is because a "Diluted Alien X" is more easily manipulated is true, that would mean Ultimate Kevin would've never lost any fight/gone completely insane with power madness.
Funny to think how although albedo didn’t have access to Alien X, he had access to Gravattack even before he acquired his stabilizer (bcuz he essentially became his own living omnitrix)
Wonder if he had a Nemuina or kickin Hawk’s species.. maybe even Atomix or clockwork.
Always wondered what would happen if albedo became the ultimate variants of the OV aliens, would’ve come in handy.
A note against Vilgax's ability to team up with other variants of himself through the multiverse. Vilgax is obviously evil, perhaps the most evil within the series wishing for nothing but endless conquest - if Vilgax was to form a team completely made up of alternate selves, then they would most certainly fight for control over the group which would cause the plan to flop. Although, it would be humorous to see Omniverse Vilgax get obliterated by classic Vilgax and Future Vilgax since the two are obviously more capable than Vilgax Prime.
This was exactly my thought process when he introduced the idea of Vilgax and his other dimensional selves. Vilgax and his cronies would be fighting each other over their own tentacle mustaches, let alone let one take the reigns completely.
5:35 Instead of putting Alien X DNA inside the Omnitrix.
I like to think that the Omnitrix just transport Alien X to Ben location and Ben into Alien X mind space.
Since Alien X exist before Ben and continue to after he die, it could be assumed that Paradox trick them to become anchored to the Omnitrix and because a transformation.
That's certainly an interesting theory!
Personally, I don't think we know enough about the Omnitrix to say if your theory makes sense/works or not, but I support the idea fully!
A very interesting take!
These theories really making me wish that we had some kind of Prof. Paradox spin-off series where we follow him on grand cosmic adventures that all tie into the main events of the show or something like that
There's only one forge of creation at the center of the Omniverse so all Alien X transformations across the Ominiverse have the same personalities inside them and Paradox said there's a time-line where Albedo got trapped in Alien X for a year, so, Bellicus and Serena just not allowing evil Omnitrix users to use their powers at all and the younger inexperient/immature versions being unable to win in an argument with them makes perfect sense
Perhaps its like how Kuro put it in the heroes united reaction. "If this is the same timeline, even the so much things change there is the ROLE of someone being the HERO"
Yeah!
The Ben of the game vilgax attacks (I think it was this game) is a different version of Ben and he is able to use alien x. It also appears that he has a better relationship with Bellicus and Serena as they let him turn back to human instead of keeping him in alien x form unlike Ben prime.
Ooh, interesting!
The real question is why albedo trust vilgax again
That is an *excellent* question. Dude betrayed him in UAF. Ig Vilgax is just *really* good at Sales Pitches?
@@KirigiriKirin Vilgax:Speech and Charisma 100
@@TheFaxualScaler-xn8uj He rolled a Nat 20 on Charisma, and he's been min-maxing all the other stats
He's one hell of a charmer
You could also draw the point of Ben Prime being the voice of reason and thus being the one capable of convincing Bellicus and Serena is because he is from the prime timeline. Meaning he has the most reason, as his existence is the most logical. Since every other universe/dimension would be a deviation from his path.
But can't there be another voice of reason from a different universe? Do we know if Ben Prime is the only Voice of Reason in the multiverse?
@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy There could be another that's near equal to him. Like no watch Ben. But my point was to add another layer of ground to the idea that Ben Prime can use Alien X because he gained Belicus and Serena's favor. Ben Prime is the origin of all other versions of him in the omniverse, aka he's the original. And by the metric is the most logical in existence. For without him no other Ben would be made. And the omniverse wasn't brought up until the Omniverse series, where we meet all the other Bens. They were created to serve a role in the story of Ben Prime, the original story, hence they are derivatives of his original nature. This sorta works from an outside view, looking into the show, it's creative decisions and writing, which alien x can effect.
there is actually a timeline were albedo did turn into alien X witch happend in a ben 10 game and witch professor paradox in UAF
referenced by saying "in a world where Albedo was trapped as Alien X for nearly a year"
More proof for my theory then, I'd say!
I always assumed that if another Alien X tried to erase our Ben, the omnitrix would just turn Ben into Alien X as well, which is arguably worse for Vilgax then just not trying to erase Ben and having him not turn into Alien X, hence why Vilgax never had it happen
2 things:
we could say that celestiansapiens are 4 dimensional beings
we could assume that ben is the default user of the omnitrix since there are more bens that anyone with omnitrixes, so maybe ben is the perfect person to use the omnitrix since other subjects go wrong somewhere and god knows how they end (imagine azmut fucks up something with the dna, they die, they "go rogue" with to much power and die/end in galactic prision, etc), or maybe the owner of the omnitrix is always someone good (celestial sapiens did it) and at some point some of them turn evil
Wait, didn't a fraction of alien X was able to cut an extra dimensional barrier that even the contumelia can't stop it or breach and contumelia are 5d. Does that make alien X above 5d?
3:16 yes ben63 for the win.
Ben 63 is where it's at!
here's something about alien x i wonder about sometimes...
if alien x can rewind time, is it possible for him to freeze it? could ben, serena and bellicus have debates in a stopped time? if he can't, can he modify ben's personal state? like, theoretically, could ben ask for control over alien x in exchange for spending his sleeping hours talking with them, and they just give him a free full night rest in its place? just makes me wonder if ben could have had full alien x control much earlier if he made the right proposal.
When it comes to Ben's who started to leave the heroic path, I would also count Benzarro. As I always given his zombie look, his reality looks like a zombie apocalypse(think marvel zombies if you want) and Benzarro was just as heroic as Ben Prime but clearly became infected with a virus that would ultimately lead to his zombie look and become a fallen hero.
(I say this as I'm kinda mad that Omniverse only showed two different Ben's realities both Ben 23 and Mad Ben)
There's a Ben 10 wiki page that says Benzarro's dimension is ridden with a zombie virus that (If I remember correctly) was caused by some sort of bomb fallout. I agree though, I wish we'd seen more evil Ben realities!
@@KirigiriKirinyeah and Gwen from that timeline is working on a cure for that
@@theamazingspooderman2697 Oh that's so cool! I love the Benzarro timeline lore, wish we got to see more of it!
I think the Omnitrix should have been able to cure and everyone else
@amarnathvarma3852 That's a good point. It can save Ben from the verge of death and it can bring back entire worlds. Maybe a plot hole? Or maybe a Canon glitch
the fact that some of the writers give some backstory for the other ben's expect bad ben he's the only one without a backstory
Yeah, Bad Ben was literally given nothing when all the other Bens at least got SOMETHING
So if Ben procured a bunch of Bioid's and turns them all into Alien X would they all be connected in a sort of hive mind or would they be different personalities working to the same goal? Would they all be as powerful as Alien X or would 12 total copies be individually 1/12th as powerful?
Hmmm... Personally I think it'd be a hive mind scenario, similar to when he clones himself into multiple Alien X's in Omniverse
I do remember a statement from Man of Action stating that no matter what version of Ben uses Alien X, it's the exact same Alien X all the time meaning that it exists in a state where he's basically everywhere and nowhere at the same time. It also said "as to which one they'd help depends on who activates it first", so basically whoever pulls Alien X in the Omnitrix first is the one who gets to use it, so theoretically any of them could. My guess is that when Ben 10k went Atomic X (which from what I remember is one of his most common fusions), it locked the others out of Alien X due to the Celestialsapien DNA technically being in use at the time
That'd make sense! Ty for the additional info!
all of the cronosapiens exist in a dimension that is above our own, they are 4th or 5th dimensional beings. Thats why every single Ben across the multiverse share the same Alien X because AX exist outside of universe so they aren’t bound to the traditional rules of space/time. That’s why AX is technically “everywhere and nowhere” at the same time.
And if we are following traditional rules of space/time then I believe it’s also possible for two bens to be Alien X at the same time. Remember that AX exist outside and above their dimension so just like how they aren’t bound by the traditional rules of space, they aren’t bound by Ben’s time either. So not only is he “everywhere and nowhere” at the same time but he is everywhere/nowhere “all at once” from a time perspective.
Two Alien Xs should be able to hypothetically exist at the same time within the same area of the universe because AX isn’t bound to time. So there can be two AXs just chilling together. Now I don’t think there’s a rule the only ONE Ben can use AX at a time because that really wouldn’t make sense from a chronosapien perspective unless those two personalities specifically told Ben that they don’t want to encounter another instance of themselves.
And the two AXs most likely wouldn’t fight each other because why would AX want to fight themselves for some petty multiverse reason like two bens going at it lol, they would probably deem it irresponsible. But since Ben Prime has full control, he could hypothetically beat another Alien Xs ass with little to no issue cause the other bens will be debating or straight out denying the fight.
Its important to note that Albedo, aside from already having it proven that he cant reach an agreement with B and C in the Vilgax Attacks game, might not even have access to alien x. His stabilizer stabilizes forms that ben had available during albedos last appearance in UA. At that time, Alien X was locked away from Bens playlist by keys held by Gwen and Kevin
I honestly feel Bad Ben has a shot at using Alien X, he seems to be much smarter and manipulative than the other Ben's, i could see him convincing serena and belicus to give him control.
I think it was stated that there is only one Alien x that each alternative ben has access to since celestial sapiens live outside the multiverses so if two bens transformed to Alien they will probably fight over control in someway maybe see who will persuade belligus and seriena
That lines up perfectly then!
Would have been hilarious to see all of them fighting in there
“Make Ben 63 into Ben prime”
A man of culture I see.
But of course!
My question is what is vilgax planning with doing such 🤨
Albato's alien x personalities are not the same as Ben's because they have different names and are more like Albato and the main reason ben can use alien x is because his two personalities are still fighting not because of his nature although it is a part of the reason why he previously had control over it as they only gave him limited time to use it and because of what he has using it for is why he got permission before but know because alienx's personalities are letting him control while they are arguing is the real reason he has control
No, no they’re not. Where did you get that from? If *A L B E D O* transformed into Alien X, he would just meet Bellicus and Serena.
@@Skitations According to the wiki, Albedo’s Alien X personalities are called Annikus and Kursika. So no, Albedo would not meet Bellicus and Serena
@@EterneonYou know Wikipedia can’t always be trusted right? (Your gonna say that’s just more lies from the Jedi but it’s true)
@@agrilsunil1 When the wiki page links to the quote, yeah, I think I can trust it. Derrick J Wyatt stated that Albedo's Alien X personalities are red and have different names. I don't have access to what I believe is where the quote comes from (Derrick's askfm page), but as far as I can tell, it is legitimate.
@@agrilsunil1 but wiki almost always has their sources, without any opinion involved
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Ngl I would have tried including the Alien X-Tinction Alien X but I literally haven't watched that yet lol
@@KirigiriKirinit’s garbage it just fucks up alien x
Well there was a Statement by Duncan that suggests Alien x is Omnipresent in the Omnitrix's in the Omniverse
As well as a Statement by Bellicus in his Debut
"Alien X doesn't do Anything until it's put to a Vote we only cut you slack cause you're new..But that's the Procedure"
Either Suggesting 2 Things
1)Bellicus was just explaining how Alien X functions
2)Explaining that It's Standard Procedure to allow anyone who first transforms into Alien X to get a Free First Action
I'm more Leaning to number 2
That's an interesting theory! I hadn't considered that point!
Pretty sure alien X wouldnt just let him do it
Also i heard that alien x pretty much goes to whoever calls him
Yep!
It's stated that Alien X can be used by only one of the Bens across the Multiverse at a time basically all the Bens can't turn into Alien X at the same time.
That one Alien X just goes to whichever Ben or Omnitrix user needs him at that time. All the Bens and Omnitrix users across the multiverse use the same Alien X.
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vilgax can not even have gotten the first omnitrix because it was connected to max's DNA because max was the one who was supost to get the omnitrix and that also explains why Gwen was able to get it to.
Good point!
He was able to use the Re-Calbirated Omnitrix though, albeit through the Bioids
@@KirigiriKirin ik but that omnitrix i was talking about was the first one and that one was attached to max's DNA thus how ben and even gwen was able to put it on.
@@kalebrandall Fair enough!
@@KirigiriKirin :)
Then how was Argit able to get the Omnitrix, because when they(Ben and Prof. Paradox) were jumping around universes and recruiting, they encountered an Argit with a Omnitrix.
I remember in Ben 10 Vilgax Attack for the DS Albedo did turn into Alien X but that was the game the video is pretty awesome
Some other people in the comments brought up that game! They were saying that Albedo was able to transform into Alien X, but he couldn't use it and instead got trapped inside Alien X for a year
Thank you for taking the time to watch the video!
@@KirigiriKirin they weren't lying he just turned into a png and hitting Alien X just knocked him over and the credits he was forever trapped
@@trisaoi4238 Lmao
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Thank you!
I think the only thing Id point out is the fact that whenever you use the term dimension, you actually mean timeline. I know Omniverse kept using the whole dimension 23 to represent Ben 23, however if you look at what a dimension actually is in the Ben 10 lore and what a timeline is you'd see that what these bens or other omnitrix wielding beings are, are beings from other timelines. Think of prime Ben being the trunk of a tree, all the other counterparts being timelines, dimensions being realms that reside within the universe and the universe it's being analogous to the whole tree.
2:14 true but could Vilgax not go back in time to the time when he had the omnitrix? and take that vilgax with him
He could, but think of it this way: Why would a Vilgax who already got the Omnitrix bother working with a Vilgax who wants the Omnitrix?
Also albedo in an alternate timeline he used alien x bjt was stuvk for a year with belecus and swlena bc he couldnt agree with em the event is confirmed by dr paradox aswell
Perfect! Even more proof then!
Considering albedo also got stuck in a celestialsapien form for a year in one universe, yeah lol..
Extra evidence there then lol
Another great video
Ty Hun!
Ooh, it looks like I've stumbled across a future animation lore channel while it's still small. Best of luck to you in the future. With content like this, I'm sure you'll be a huge channel in no time.
Aww, thank you so much for this comment! It really put a smile on my face!
I definitely feel more inclined to produce animation lore content in the future, but I'm hoping that my other content that I enjoy making doesn't get drowned out as a result lol
One theory could be that if anyone of them turns into alien X then even if they could convince them to do anything they would be staring at 2-4 alien X’s when they got out because if I saw someone turn into alien X then all limiters are off. They have plenty of time to transform into something equal with how long it took even Ben Prime to fix a single dam in the first appearance.
Damn alien x is the nukes of Omnitrix users lmao
Vilgax didn't team up with alternative Vilgaxes due to danger of betrayal
Yeah, there's no way he, a backstabbing tyrant, could trust a group of equally backstabbing tyrants lol
@@KirigiriKirin If I was vilgax I wouldn't trust myself either
bro you didn have to do the bad bens at the start so dirty
lol, tru
I think your theory on the heroic ben role of the dimensional omnitrix users is flawed when we take into consideration omnitrix Argit. He's more or less just Argit being argit, but with the argitrix
Yeah but Argit is good deep down, I'd argue. He cared about Andreas and he set up a security company, and he was worried for Kevin when Ben used Alien X
@@KirigiriKirin maybe he is good deep down, but not to the extent that I think he'd take on the role ben does in the original timeline. He's still done a lot of questionable things.
@@Traykartheswift Tru, can't argue with that
The video's just a bit of fun, at the end of the day
Albedo cannot have Alien X as a transformation
if you remember in Ultimate Alien Ben was only shown to transform into Alien X once in episode "The Forge of Creation" and there we learned that Ben has installed a feature where Alien X's DNA in particular will always be locked away and can be only used when both Kevin and Gwen insert their keys into the Ultimatrix stating specifically that the reason for locking that transformation through this key based security system is so that enemies namely Albedo cannot get access to Ben's strongest transformation even if they get access to the Ultimatrix themselves
Exhibit A- The Plant monsters
And when Albedo gained his ability to transform in other aliens in episode "Double or Nothing" it was because of that accident with Ben and the Ultimatrix when he was trying to regain his original self back and that accident AGAIN happened because of the Ultimatrix which I just explained have literally the Alien X Transformation being locked under lock and key and would need to be unlocked for a use which is likely why when Albedo absorbed the DNA of all the aliens (including ones we haven't seen yet either like Gravattack) Alien X's DNA was not absorbed because of the locking mechanism
Also hypothetically speaking all of the Alien X is the same Alien X for all the Omnitrix users across the Multiverse being the same Belicus and Serena versions as stated by Duncan Rouleau that Alien X is beyond Time and Space and the same version exist for every reality
the only reason we saw Alien X's first appearance the way we did is because Ben Prime's reality is the first and main reality and it is the one from which the entire multiverse branches from and thus it is likely that Alien X in general was birthed and accessed for the first time in the Multiverse when Ben Ben used it in Alien force episode "X= Ben + 2" and Alien X was birthed into existence while Serena and Belicus met their first version of Ben Tennyson being Ben Prime in what is to be followed by a multiverse of them
I do agree with a lot of your points here, but didn't Albedo have the Ultimatrix with Alien X *before* Ben got the Ultimatrix and put a lock on it?
Not trying to argue, just stating that I think timeline-wise that it still fits? I might be wrong, ofc
Also, thank you for the detailed comment! I can tell you're passionate about the topic >x
@@KirigiriKirin true but to that I just say
Codon stream linkage
Azmuth explained it in Alien Force season 3 episode" Primus" that the Omnitrix devices until end of UA were just recievers to the actual DNA storage that is Primus and that Omnitrix only uses that info that is present in Codon stream
Albedo being Azmuth's ex-assistant just.... was smart enough to tap into the same frequency and download the data for his Ultimatrix
Think of him like one of those smart neighbours who can always hack into your Wifi and login without a password because they refuse to pay for their own
the OV Omnitrix though has its own DNA container system
@@KirigiriKirin We are all just fans in the end using different plaforms and sources of output to show and share our love for the franchise through different ways
@@anishsingh2848 Exactly! Discussing our personal opinions is just part of the fun
I always wanted to see an Ultimate Ben transformation where he has all the powers and functionalities of the Omnitrix simultaneously except for Alien X. I know we see something kind of like this in Ultimate Alien with future Ben, but he still had to call out the names of the aliens and use them one at a time so not what I'm talking about.
Editing in this was SMOOTH
Thank you, CC!
The ben 10 reboot actually had a movie called "Alien xtinction" where there is an alternate evil ben who uses Alien x
True! The reboot follows a different continuity and doesn't follow the exact same canon rules as the original franchise, so I didn't feel it was necessary to bring up in this particular video. Thank you for bringing up that it does indeed exist tho!
nerfed alien x
@@FeatherineAlt36 nerfed to fire level
I think all Ben’s do have access to their own Alien X, but they either just don’t have access to that yet or they can’t physically control it because of Serena and Bellicus not agreeing to give those maniacs the responsibility. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they actually tried it out off screen
It'd make sense to me
I like this theory better. There are alot of people saying there is only 1 AlienX and tbh, I much prefer each Omnitriz user having their own
that makes sense like if they're too evil they're never going to win Serena's vote
Eso explicaría el albedo alien x serena y belicus no dejaron que ese loco hiciera lo que quisiera y lo estatuarizaron
i think the answer is basically just:
Balicus and Serina > the concept of time itself
Their consciousness supersedes time and thus any timeline shenanigans. They basically choose when they feel like letting Ben use Alien X, so it stands to reason they can choose which Ben they feel like dealing with. They also seam to not like Ben enough to want to actively avoid dealing with any and all other Bens who they can, or Bens who cant properly fulfill his role as a non partisan neutral voice of reason between Belicus and Serina
Well, maybe not "non partisan", but he gets them to actually DO stuff and make decisions, even if he does lean more towards heroism and furthering his own goals.
I was wondering the same thing yesterday.
What a perfect coincidence!
I think an older Gwen 10 would side more with Serena just like Mad Ben would side with Bellicus
Ooh, that's a good point! Thank you for adding that to this conversation, Romaro!
Another theory is that Alien X can only be wielded by a good guy and not a bad guy.
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Your videos are pretty interesting! Keep up the work.
Thank you! I'll be sure to continue doing my best!
This wanted to be spider verse but remained just 2 episodes
So true! The closest thing we ever got to a massive multiversal crossover from the Ben 10 franchise, just not quite as grandiose as Spiderverse!
I have barely watched Ben 10 and know almost nothing about the show at all, yet this still remained incredibly entertaining…Congratulations
Thank you very much! I aimed to make the video watchable for anybody, so I sprinkled in a few facts for context across the video's runtime. I'm glad I was able to make a fun experience for you!
@@KirigiriKirin Thank you! I remember watching Ben 10 when I was younger and seeing the giant white one? I don’t remember much, but seeing alternate Ben’s and evil Bens? Oh my lord that is a very interesting concept! In all great job on the video!
My favorite Aliens are Waterhazard Atomix and Articguana (Ultimate)
I love Atomix and Arctiguana!!!
This was a great video!!
I loved this show this Ben 10 show is the best Bad Ben is my favourite Ben
Bad Ben is super cool!!!
Remember that besides gwen 10 there is Argit 10
The TRUE Ben Prime
Imagine if albedo used alien x
If you go back through my RUclips Shorts, I made a pretty good mock-up of what would happen
@@KirigiriKirin 👍 sick
On the Alien X subject, how does Atomix work? Does he have the voices inside or is he free
I personally think he either doesn't have the voices, or they're a lot less active, seeing as he's only half-Celestialsapien
Amazing video mate !!
Thank you so much!!
Alien X is literally black Elemental Hero Neos design wise
Now that I think about it Jaden and Ben are so similar in terms of their characters. Both wear colorful jackets, both use their powers to save the day (Season 4 Jaden materializes Neos and movie Jaden makes Yubel shoot literal ki blasts to "save" the people) and both have a monster/alien that look so similar to each other.
_I know this comment is kinda random and off topic but as soon as I saw Alien X in the thumbnail I couldn't stop thinking about these similarities lol_
Great video though, funny editing heh
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
ALSO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT AND I'M AMAZED I NEVER NOTICED THOSE SIMILARITIES UNTIL NOW LOL
The reason Vilgax didn't find a timeline where another vilgax had the watch was likely because that Vilgax would be objectively more powerful, and there's nothing stopping that one from going "Why should i listen to a watchless loser like you," and killing our Vilgax. Especially if he's just as power hungry as ours, he would probably rather conquer this universe for himself, rather than let an inferior vilgax take it.
Ben10k and BenPrime are from different timeline, it was mentioned in UA that everytime Ben meet with himself his timeline changes
You actually managed to say anhilarrgenesistoriaphimiagost
You're a certified Ben 10 fan
Most impressive part of it all? It only took me 3 attempts lol
Same
I'm pretty sure Bad and Mad Ben would have access to Alien X, as they have versions of the official Omnitrix, which has access to all the DNA in their universes. The only way they wouldn't have Celestial Sapien DNA is if a Celestial Sapien never gave it's sample to that universes Azmuth, or they never made themselves known to that universe
4:00 actuly there was a onather ben that used alien X .Evil ben from reboot in alien x-tinction specil.. But he did unlock alien x on a difrent way (smashing the omnitrix) and was pretty weak sence he got defrated by lego,apmhibian ,ripjaws, two 10 year old heatblasts and chromostone.
Ahhhhh this was so well done. Amazed you only have that many subs. But I’m one now too. Keep it up:)
Aww thank you for subscribing! I'm glad people are gradually finding my content >×
@@KirigiriKirin :D yay
One point about your theory that alternative Vilgax with Omnitrix would not be evil, may not be true.
Remember when Paradox and his team of Bens were off recruiting, they see Argit in a pile of gold?
Ya, he is not at all worthy of Omnitrix, still he had it.
I think, as others suggested, it has to do more with Vilgax knowing he would not be able to work with other himselves...
Oh, and also, didn't he actually want to destroy all of the timelines containing Omnitrixes? I believe his real goal was to rule the only timeline where no Omnitrix was there. So there was no point in collecting other Vilgaxes.
I do agree, but at the same time, Argit is kind-hearted deep down.
He cares about Kevin and he cares about Undertown and he wouldn't be president of Earth if he didn't care about everyone there.
Sure, he's scummy at times, but tbf so is Ben.
Albedos celestial personalities are Annikus and Kursika not Belicus Serena
I wasn't aware of that! Also, I love those names!
The closest thing we got to an alternate Ben using Alien X was through OV Ben 10K using Atomic X. Though it’s not the full sample of Celestialsapien DNA, it’s still a noteworthy mention.
Don't forget the Ben from Vilgax attacks which is a confirmed alternative timeline.
4:01 there was also a Ben from the game “Ben 10 Alien Force: Vilgax attacks” who transformed into alien X. I am not sure if it’s confirmed, but some people say that this is a different dimension Ben, so maybe 3 versions
WTF YOUR CHANNEL JSUT BLEW UP HELL YEAH
WOO!
Bro I haven't watched but guessing they can't use it because they can't convince their trouble voices
That's essentially what the video goes over, yeah!
@@KirigiriKirin really ? I am still in the middle of the video
@@shehryarahsan2357 Yeah!
Even if any of the evil bens did transfom into Alien X they would end up being stuck as alien x
Exactly!
Great explanation 👍
He's the only one worthy of such power. The others aren't.
Exactly!!
@@KirigiriKirin though i'd love to see Ultimate Alien X. As an Ultimate God, he can defeat any regular god, including the Presence and the One Above All.
@Kristel Vidhi That'd be super cool! I wonder how they'd make the design work, though?
@@KirigiriKirin rainbow colored, with a white aura.
@Kristel Vidhi OOH I love that idea!
It reminds me of a custom alien I drew a while back, called Starwinder!
I think Ben 23 and Gwen 10 would be able to use the omnitrix's version of Celestialsapiens after enough experience and reasoning is earned through their own trials and tribulations. They are both still heroic at heart. Gwen and Ben are so alike besides their base work ethic and Gwen's perfectionist upbringing. Gwen, Grandpa Max, and even Kevin who showed restraint while going mad in UA would be suitable weilders for the most part in a fully sound mind. Ben 23 just was stunted a bit due to his lack of Grandpa Max, but even if he is more egotistical on a surface level. He became a hero, even if one who is a bit selfish, and he did still fight to save the multiverse, and didn't seem to be thriving mentally without Azmuth, Tetrax, and Six Six's help. But give it some years and he'll probably be more reasonable than a vast majority of other users. May I remind you that Argit even eclipses current Ben 23 in selfishness by a landslide?
In an alternate universe, (video game) Albedo actually DID turn into alien X but he was trapped as him for a year having to plead with Bellicus and Serena to let him go.
this is like a spiderverse cannon event type deal
LMAO good point!
SpongeBob vs Alien X
Spongebob wins no diff
Ok so for people who didn't pay attention to the lore. When one turns into an Alien X. Their identities are divided into two consciousness. These contemplate every thought the host has ever had. The only difference is Alien X is capable of Manifesting these thoughts. For OG Ben Compassion and Reason are his greatest traits to be a hero. For these other Ben we don't know what their duality of consciousness. Also it would be incredible boring
Well I mean if you’re Nega Ben, then it definitely would be boring
@nem3sis760 No what I'm stating comes from Asmuth himself. That the Omnitrix isn't some kinda of technology. It is a device used so beings can walk in others shows. Within DNA lies genetic memory and the Omnitrix allows that memory to be accessible. When the Omnitrix fuses with Ben it's fuses the genetic memory of whatever alien with Ben. Using Ben own experiences he can utilize each alien with expertise.
The Ultimatrix wasn't designed with this feature. As such the Alien DNA within the Ultimatrix is inert or without consciousness. Rather Albedo sought to replace the genetic memory feature. Namely he believed Galvian Eugenics didnt want other genetic memory affecting his own. So he fashioned the 10,000 war sequence. Where the DNA itself would be exposed to 10 000 war simulations to forcibly evolve the genetics.
Now though we've seen all the variants of Ben. We haven't seen all the variations of Asmuth or whoever created the Omnitrix in their realm. We can't stipulate oh just because it worked once it will work every time. Hence why multivariate theory of any kind is just normal peoples notion of perfection. If it's perfect here then it's perfect elsewhere. Yet the Omnitrix is still in development. Asmuth has compared the Omnitrix to a newborn on several occasions. It learns from Ben experiences and is monitored by Asmuth. Which also means Albedo war sequence wouldn't work. Namely if Celestialsapiens experienced a war so great it forced them to evolve. Given their circumstances their evolution would be fusion. That multiple Alien X would fuse together in order to achieve greater operations. Like Alien X didn't recreate an entire universe. Rather it experienced the universe end then used its own life force to reset it. An Ultimate Alien X wouldn't have reset it. No it would orchestrated a new dimensional plane where it is far superior than the original.
To summarize Omniverse sucks
When the screen turned blurry I thought my lenses fell out
lol
lol
At 3:16 the text that pops up is “Making Ben 63 the prime ben”
In case anyone was curious
Rats! I've been caught >×
@@KirigiriKirin Wait, nobody commented on that!? Even though the vid has been up for at least two months!?
@Will-mk5pj Nah a few others noticed as well, but its only a small minority of the total viewers so its still something impressive!
@@KirigiriKirin ohhhh, okay
so...coming back too this a year later i realised something.
This video kind of rides on the fact albedo had alien X in his final state...but...he didnt.
Albedo only has aliens that where present during ultimate aliens episode "double or nothing" and prior. The big bomb thing Albedo made too allow him too return too his galvan form was supposed too also let him transform into any alien in the ben 10 universe but because of the ultimatrixes interference albedos transformations only lasted a few seconds and he can only transform into the aliens ben had unlocked up too that point so that means albedo doesnt have any aliens from the Omniverse Omnitrix.
But before double or nothing at some point Ben and Kevin made those weird keys too lock away alien X for safe keeping specifically too "Prevent albedo from accessing this one." So when albedos bomb went off he didnt have the celestialsapien transformation at his disposal.
And the stabilizer only gave albedo ultimate aliens but didn't give him more dna samples (ben already had gravattack during ua just didnt use him).
So video debunked since Albedo DIDNT have alien X and the other bens likely didnt unlock him at that point
Albedo literally has Alien X's silhouette unlocked in his ultimatrix?
Also he had the ultimatrix before Ben, so he had Alien X before Ben and Kevin made the keys for the ultimatrix
@@KirigiriKirin true but albedo only had the original ultimatrix for so long before it got taken by ben leaving him unable too transform until double or nothing.
(edit)
And he did HAVE alien X but he didnt use it when he had the chance
why is noone else is talking bout how built the alien X is 💀
7:28 best line in existence
For the record, I caught that that
Ben 63 bulletin.
Darn!
"Nega Ben" 💀
Well there is this new rebooted ben 10 movie were the villain was a evil ben stuck inside the aline x thats makes whole the arguments once again debatable!😬
True lol
"making Ben 63 the prime Ben" that's the quick note that appeared between 3:15 and 3:16
A keen eye!
Ben 10 series is awesome story that can easily become one of big franchise if they are seriously invested they time, money, effort and dedication. It has potential to go toe to toe with mcu.
“Nega” Ben
One of the riskier Ben names