Feral Druid Rework: BIG Let Down…
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Welcome back to MarcelianOnline! It’s time we discuss the so called feral druid rework in War Within and as much as we try to go positive on the feral druid hero talents, the changes made to the spec tree… honestly leave a lot to be desired
We’re going to cover both wildstaker and druid of the claw feral druid but with more emphasis on the many changes made to specific talent nodes and try to understand what the philosophy is so if you ever considered maining a feral druid, watch this until the end to understand the state of the spec in War Wtihin Alpha
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I’m not surprised at all by this. I swear blizzard intentionally goes out of their way to fuck feral over every chance they get. It’s been like this since legion, we occasionally have a good patch, but it’s clear that the class designers just don’t give a shit about us.
The energy changes are going to make feral feel worse, combining that with the tigers fury changes means ferals aoe in M+ is going to get inadvertently nerfed, and it’s likely going to be significant which is an area that feral has historically struggled the most.
Overall I’m not surprised, just disappointed that once again my favorite spec is getting “changes” that will just fucking ruin it once again.
As for the hero talents it seems pretty clear to me that Druid of the Claw was made for bears, and wildstalker was made for resto. Both of those hero talents will be great for guardian and resto respectively in M+, and just like whatever for cats.
The thing here is feral way 2 complex for the blizzard chicken heads, they don't know what to touch and not.
Let's be honest here, the usual suspects hybrid meeles are always left behind for some reason (Feral and Enhancement, huh?). I think they should shift them more into the pre-MOP times = less healing and more damage. Also, hero talents should be more about fantasy and rotation, not about raw damage output if you ask me
The irony is if you look at the Resto druid changes they actually have a ton of that hybrid feel. You can take everything you'd need to take, all the talents that let you function in any form at all, and still have a few personal preferences besides.
Resto actually feels like you are playing a "Druid" and shifting in and out of every form to do whatever you need to when you need to.
Something Druid hasn't had in.... over a decade.
I had a discussion with one of the best feral players and from what i understood, "coiled to spring" and "ressourceful hunter" seems to be likely just placeholders for now !
And i'm pretty sure they would change that in that case.
I feel that they are still trying to push the bleed profile.
Haste does make bleeds tick faster and there is a synergy there with predator that increases generators's damage. It means more direct damage and faster bleeds which is good.
I would see a total change in stats to go for feral specially for the wildstalker hero talents going Master > Haste > Crit > Vers.
And i agree with tireless energy at the start of the expansion by the time we gear up and scale our haste, the talent might be the way to go.
And with changes with class tree and the fact that every periodic abilities now scales with mastery (cf. Razor claws), LI and adaptive swarm are to hurt way more now.
In the class tree we can talent into Nurturing Instinct (6% more magical damage), Lore of the grove (10% more LI damage), hunt beneath the open skies (5% more li damage) Sabertooth(15%
more damage to all periodics on the main target) so many modifiers :O
I know this might change with tuning, but i feel like they really are trying to make feral waay more into Dots than in DF, which explains the slowdown on energy regen since they intend to increase our damage that much more.
Can't wait to see more changes then :)
Death Knights: "wait, we're getting changes??"
Blizzard: You are! Just gotta wait until S4 of War Within!
DK is soooo bad its crazy
What is that video at the start? Where I can find it?
I want to try the spec again. Haven't played since WoD. Is the movement still amazing? Loved how fast I could get from pack to pack :)
Ty for the review!
Fr as main Feral, you can try it but it's just a pain. You have to maintain 6 DoT with not enough energy to after all that Doting that does 0 damage you can't bite ( now bite does more damage with more DoTs ) it's just stupid the amount of bloating the class has.
Rising light,Fn does not work for feral? Like a bug or by design?
Flame ma where is el hefe Marcelian? Worried. Thanks for videos, kudos man.
I disagree with your point on switching berserk cooldown from being based off combo points spent to a flat 2 mins, the previous version relied heavily on constant uptime, which is cool…. Except when every dungeon/raid boss has mechanics that require you to move out of melee range for significant time and lose that uptime, making the cd closer to 3 mins while also making it impossible to calculate when your big cd will be up (so you can combo with your friendly neighborhood priest PI’s and Aug evokers).
For anyone actually playing feral at a decently high level, we will absolutely love this change.
Fair enough :)
Outlaw is a pile of uptime requirements on targets and constant combat needs for Restless Blades, seems to be doing just fine on that front, and that's just the most obvious example.
I am not opposed to more QoL on your rotation and performance, but if that comes at the cost of fun gameplay and interesting design, then I hope we stray away from making the game perform the best at the highest level of content since taking the fun away to make it more balanced and competitive is clearly appreciated by a very small number of people.
At the end of the day, you can have your flat CDR, just make the spec fun and interesting. When unique interactions are taken away to make it a tasteless and bland cake, just for the sake of practicality, it becomes significantly and objectively worse game design overall.
The average berserk cd with good uptime is about 1:45 on live. However, you always hold berserk for convoke which has a 2min cd anyway so it just having a 2min cd is just better
@@MarcelianOnline yeah don’t get me wrong, I certainly agree that feral just needs a lot of work in general. I’m hoping that Druid of the Claw fixes some of the issues with ferocious bite with “massive attack” actually feeling like a cool button to press. I can see and understand the direction they’re going with trying to reduce the amount of energy feral can maintain and turn it into a slower, more methodical spec, but they need to add things to make that playstyle actually satisfying. As of now, all they’ve done is taken away energy regeneration without really adding anything else significant to compliment it… its not like feral is any good on live with the abundance of energy they have.
In this expansion I will make the change. Leaving my 7 years Feral. It's a pain but man playing Monk or Rogue is like LITERALLY playing another videogame. It's just a joke at this point.
I HATE bloodtalons. I've been playing since WotLK and I've seen a lot of mechanics come and go in the game, many of which were so much fun. This one, which I hate so much, is seemingly going to stay forever.
Feral's melee range is the only reason I play it over enhancement shaman. It was a huge part of the survivability and damage potential over other melee DPS that have to play nut to butt. Ret pally seems like the clear winner for melee DPS.
Yoo m8, u said it all. I feel bad for feral, survival and dk which is my main. The thing is that they need the same love such as mage/paladin. O.M.G iam freakin jealous from their rework/revamp. The blizz team giving all their focus and doing amazing things . Iam hoping to do the same for all those classes who have left behind all those years with just buffs and nerfs all the way across. I saw your last video thats why i`m of fireeee 🔥🔥🔥 Love ya :D :D
The longer Stampeding Roar seems great. Especially for PvP.
Feels great for those long raid run backs when the lock forgets his soul stone
i know its not feral but having to talent rejuv and wild growth as a bear just feels awful
MOP feral was when i fell in love with druids! The bleed class just felt perfect 😔
Warlock doesn't really have options in class tree. >95 % locked in just fyi
its so so sad, when was the last expension or even season, where feral was completely fine? like different spec options, good support and ok dps? its like enh shaman and feral are nowhere on blizzards to do list
Miss feral pvp style from wod. Those were the times❤❤❤
Couldnt care less for m+ feral.
Why would try hard feral when i can go flawless as a DH😊
I have played feral very long and was the best on EU Ysera Server - but Dragonflight was hard to be just in range with other DPS and now knowing that it becomes even more harder i think i have to decline feral. really sad, i liked my kitty, but i dont like to be on the bottom with the herdest specc to play.
I think it looks good!
How can Feral be a let down when I was let down in classic? There has never been any love to Feral.
Hero talents are supposed to be mostly passive. We asked for that since we don't want more button bloat.
You are the god of shit takes in this comment section to be honest. Great job
@@Qvik_ Sure, and that's why you don't have an argument and can only act like a child. Right.
When was the last time feral was good? Feels like balance out due feral every X-Pac.
PvP wise always top tier. PvE wise they did slack in most of the addons, i only remember Legion ferals did shine.
Is there a TLF coming out today as well? 😎
They killed off the increased melee range. Rip my whole reason for enjoying feral
You are breaking my heart
It seems like feral druid is being held hostage from the Bloodtalons talent. I know most of the feral community likes playing around that talent, but I feel like its preventing new players from wanting to try it out. I know Lion's Strength is a thing, but if ALL the websites are saying use bloodtalons, that likely discourages players from even trying it in the first place.
I actually love bloodtalons as a talent but I will admit it took me a while until I got the muscle memory to keep it up most of the time. The problem is that now I have RSI as a result :')
Exactly! Include me too. Dropped feral back when BT became mandatory, haven't looked back since then. I'll be back when that goes away.
bro bt is not mandatory it's a couple % ahead of lions strength and if you play the spec right BT plays itself
@@Orhova If it really is not neck to neck then I might give it a solid try again! Thanks
I fucking hate blood talons. Its rare in single target that you'll use three different abilities, especially during incarn, so you're either overcapping resources or missing out on finishing moves or wasting the talent. I just use the other talent that gives a permanent buff to finishers. AoE bloodtalons is easy. But if you cant meet the requirements for the buff, you just lose damage and a talent point.
Blizzard fuked up feral. In MoP there was best version and they fuked up.
If they want a slower playstyle for feral they should buff the overall damage of spec. If we can't spam our finishers anymore, they need to make sure if does damage.
I mean... I'm really diggin Feral right now in DF. It's not that bad at all though it could benefit from some better placements for some talents though it isn't drastically bad or anything. I do agree with the combo point generation for sure. Those first two talent changes are not just boring but completely unhelpful. May as well just drop them from the tree and rearrange what's left. Kinda makes it feel like the team working for feral (probably a few classes that feel this way) don't actually know anything about the spec or how it works.
At the end of legion feral druid was crit/versa, doing damage with shred, bit and the bleeds had decent damage. Ferald should be more like a direct damage with decent bleeds damage is better that way but in legion, we have 220 energy because of talent and the legendary ring. Blood talon at some point was important but not a big deal to be missed. I stopped playing feral when they tlked about removing elegendary tiems cause i knew that if the legendary items are not pasive of at least a talent the feral druid will be death and that has been since legion
Feral looks and feels like a Sin Rogue without Kingsbane, Envenom or caustic spatter. Only pressing FoK/Trash, keep rake/garrote up and press aoe bleed.
Its all the maintenance without the highs and lows. Without the fun moments of having a Kingsbane tick on a caustic spatter target for 500k dmg.
I'd love to see something like tigers fury being exiting and gameplay changing.
Like during tigers fury rake and trash are consumed by rip and rip rolls all remaining damage into the next application. So you build a BIG bleed every tiger's fury window.
And a hyper bleed during Berserk and fury.
Would work in AoE as well.
Like something Blizzard.
Shaman "Reworks? What are they?"
I thought they baked the astral influence range bonus into the base spec for feral, so you don’t have to wast talent points on it. So it’s a good change.
3 yard range is being baked in as opposed to the 5 we can talent into currently. However, in the blue post they basically said it would probably be removed later on as they are looking into getting rid of all melee extra range.
It feels like when we go into TWW, we can start waiting for the next expansion to get class reworks. All i see in hero talents is 2-5% damage here and there 😂
Some specs just suck forever like feral or survival but survival at least haven't gotten attention of "rework" so we have some hope there
Holding out hope for survival rework like a weeb for big chested anime waifu
@@MarcelianOnline 🤣🤣
I just love drood as a class. Sadly since changes in DF I really can’t bring myself to play it anymore. Too many issues and wonky gameplay for too little reward feeling. Sadge.
WTF, I've been using Feral 4 seasons as a mediocre low performer spec in m+, just because is my main. My hope to be at least average was the war within, damn.
Isn't it counterintuitive to reduce your ability to generate energy while simultaneously forcing players to have lower cooldowns with the focus on haste? It seems like you will be out of energy far more often than not.
Well if they are changing the way we gear up, and it this case more prio to haste, reducing energy regen from talents is the correct way to do it.
in DF we are more limited by GCD than energy and we the lowest GCD with rogues and monks.
And since haste = more regen, it won't affect us that much
Why does it always seem like no one ever actually plays feral when they make feral changes? I’m so confused 💀
Feral cat or feral tank
Hopefully catweaving is as cool as i have made it out to be in my head.
:)))))))
Yikes... I love Feral.
I hope they change it in time!
Unfortunate, was my first “main” back in wrath, but honestly its been so unimpactful past few expansions that i dont even attempt to play it.
I feel like whoever is designing feral is either deliberately sabotaging or one+ chromosome short
The feral druid will improve when the person in charge of designing and balancing it is fired.
Guardian is only tank I can play and enjoy honestly I play rogue so never ever wanted to play feral
Just when I started to enjoy Feral they burn it to the ground with the same gameplay as every other melee class
One of the best WoW decisions I have ever made was giving up on feral. The grass is so much greener.
what do you play instead
@@hhattonaom9729 Assasination Rogue I think
@@hhattonaom9729 @javelinmaster2 nailed it. I full swapped to rogue and mainly play assassination and subtlety.
They always going to hate feral comparing to boomy or rogs,mages
like every exp mages,boomy,rogs are top tier in both m+ and raid
so sad...
U have 1 addon to play feral now u should wait 10 more till it be playsble again
Swear feral cannot ever be anywhere even close to the other rogue specs because it happens to be able to offheal, still at the cost of not doing damage, but just that ability keeps boomie and feral weaker on the dps side generally, but if they were better would they not be then op? if they could both heal and be up there with the other dps specs?
Ret pally says hi.
im so bad at this spec lol
The dream of bleeds lasted like a week…
Druid of the Claw is great for soloing!
I feel outside the first few levels, solo content is pointless to do as a tank since nothing is threatening enough to make you want more tankiness like what druid of the claw would provide, maybe that's me
@@MarcelianOnline Until you get heroic lvl gear, balance and feral and probably the worst two open world PvE specs in the game. Bear is hands down the best lvl'ing spec in the game. Even at max lvl while under geared, bear needs to be doing massive pulls to get quests done, but bear is so much faster at questing. Balance and feral have horrible burst damage and bad survivability with crap gear compared to every other DPS in the game.
Blizz just always seems to mess up feral. Any xpac where feral is good or at least ok they make changes or nerf it. I always have to have a back up class for this reason but i so want to main feral again in retail.
BRING BACK WOLFS HEAD PLAYSTYLE
I really dislike how berserk was changed
when in doubt just rip off mop/wod versions of the specs that people hate. it would fix feral and survival. shit, just turn demo back to its wod version too
It definately seems like Blizzard is not listening to Ferals at all. Blizzard is being stubborn and trying to tell us what we want instead of listening to what we want. I predict that Ferals will be the worst spec for the first Season in WWI
Druids have always been the only class that has different resources to manage depending on their form. Looking at the fantasy behind the druid , why is it that only one resource is available to manage during their specific form? Couldn't they allow the druid to have all their resources present - generating them at a much slower rate (rage, mana & energy depending on the form) - and all the while reworking the talent trees to give the player an incentive to shapeshift into different forms by creating some sort of synergy between them? Eg, feral druid of the claw: shifting between cat and bear. Balance druid: shifting between Moonkin and bear (except that that bear form now changes the druid into a stag or something). Considering the lore behind the druid, there is so much that can be done to improve not only the class but also really dive into the fantasy of it.
Not that the lore matters, but most druids choose form and stay that form.
Neglected specs with bad devs working on them nothing else is new.
FERAL DRUID IS NOT!! BORING IN DRAGONFLIGHT!
But then again, I love Feral Druids.
And why the hell would Blizzard, the creators of World of Warcraft design their game based on their players perspective? That’s pure non-sense, they will design it from their perspective because it’s their game, players give only feedback. 😂
Imagine walking up to Enzo Ferrari and saying hey it’s better if you design the car like this instead. 😂😂
I'm feral but played more tank this time. I was wanting feral rework to be awesome. Might be staying tank spec again with off spec as feral.
Crazy how different the tastes are, i really enjoy playing feral and it's my most played class ever :)
YOOOOOOO
i feel a better solution to ferals getting combo points when they crit is to just refund the cost of the ability in energy if they crit.
The backwards conversion might be a hot take since normally you want to convert energy into combo points and not the other way around. wouldn't that be just wasting money? As a concept? You are spending energy to not get combo points, but get energy back? Kinda sounds like chasing your own tail :))
I feel Sub rogue solved this issue already, at least partially, which is more than what we currently have
Somebody in Blizz really hates the bleed gameplay for ferals. This isn't the first time they try to force the ferocious bite spamming boring gameplay.
Seems like a heavy bite build is coming. Good if people are tired of maintaining bleeds. I can see it working in pvp and single target fights.
Feral Druid: Our rework sucks.
Death Knight: haha jokes on you i won't get one.
Why would you want that? DKs are great.
Reworked talents are just borrowed power all over again.
@AkiRa22084 it's Boring 😢😢
@@69ricsko What's boring? UH and Frost are both cool.
@@AkiRa22084 huh? Unholy is passable but frost is one of the most requested reworks in the game. It played like dog for years now, breath is a horrid gameplay mechanic
@@NamelessMate Breath of Sindragosa? I personally don't like it, but I heard people love it, because it allows expression of player skill, so they can brag who can keep it up for longer.
The only nice thing is they have 3-4 Months more to change feral like the feedback says 😅
3:00 Every spec ever, since 2004, required you to look up outside sources to play correctly.
I don't know about pve, raids and M+ but in the PVP world, the game is simply gone down the drain due to reworks that exalt Instant casting gap closers (sans the feral druid who has been shafted as much as possible)... At 2400 +, the game is highly tuned and coordinated thanks to the efforts of players, not the arena or mechanics... sub 2200, the game is horses***, with no oversight on hacks, bots, or scrubs.
Poor kitties are going to remain hipsters. Thumbs up for great videos!
Many thanks!
Why has the cat a herotree with the healer? In my opinion the cat should be with the moonkin and the tank with the healer in one tree, would make a lot more sense than a cat healer, wtf give us lazercats or some shit, not a nonsense combination.
It may not be great y et but Feral over the last 2 expancison has been the best its ever been in its whole life.
I’m so happy I dropped feral. It sucks.
Poor cats.
Meow :(
@@MarcelianOnline /cat
Always said this.. druid needs to be split into 2 tank/healer and DPS ranged/melee. It's too cluttered trying to tailor for 4 different specs. Cluttered mess just like most of wow nowadays.
Please, do not praise warlock desing because its boring trash
I don't remmember when Feral was actually good in last couple of expansions...sad
Versatility is not useless for feral tho, it would be great to stop viewing stuff as PvE only -_-
but the ressourceful hunter talent is still crap tho lmao
Well well, im so glad im stuck on private wotlk server with may cat😍
The ability bloat plus shit damage means no one will ever play it
Survival hunter here, welcome to the bottom Kitties
feral é só decepção
im amazed we ferals are still in the game at this point lol, the least loved spec together with survival, i feel like feral should be fast paced, you're a cat after all, i don't see a lot of cats being sluggish... they are agile, quick-witted and highly reactive to their surroundings, making it slow regen of energy seems like a bad design imo
Sadly, feral could be the best designed class the world has ever seen and I still wouldn't play it until they've changed the awful sound effects of the attacks
I mean who TF plays feral anyways 😂😂😂
Me! Lol
I main feral during wrath 😢
Those who can’t play rogue😂😂
@@emjaythegreat22lol not so. Rogue isn’t so hard. I play feral because I enjoy tanking with Guardian and somewhat enjoy resto healing.
Me🥲🥲🥲
Blizzard should just remove feral at this point. They obviously don't give a fuck about it
Oh hahahahhahaha they literally reverted your point today after you made this video. Slower bleed focused would have been great but they didn’t want to try to do any work. Feralnis dead
"I love that they want feral to be more tactical, for you to care about your energy so feral can be less spammy" yikes! Totally L take! I literally would love TO NOTE have to play a minigame within a game trying to manage energy so much. I actually wish feral to not be energy deprived all the time! Welp, if these changes mean Im gonna be energy deprived most of the time, i guess feral isnt for me this xpack and I wont touch it with a 10 foot pole.
Feral Druid is worthless. Most killed spec in solo shuffle. Not fun and not easy to play. The amount of macros and set up just to make a Druid playable is asinine.
Good. It's a broken unbalanced class so fuck em
Feral is dead. they seriously need to give up on it being a energy /combo point class. It doesnt work. It's never worked. It's terrible.
Screw it I might just class change