The sequence seems to be: Laziness >> Procrastination >> Guilt>> Emotional Masochism>> Sexual Masochism>> Self punishment >> Poignant impact on the mind. And the vicious circle continues
Imagine having this chap as your psychoanalyst and expect him to resolve your problem. That's why when we get into the academic analysis we learn nothing about any other psychological behaviour or any other topic. It is like me reading an astronomical thesis about the possible political parties on planet Mars when it will be populated by humans in 2200..... if we ask sex professionals, dominatrices, prostitutes, strippers, and people who have engaged in sadomasochism we will have a vivid understanding of the topic. Having someone reading for half an hour a report it demonstrates how far away scholars are from day-to-day life. That's why we have some Nobel-prize laureates, professors, and scholars in economics who become advisors in hedge funds and blow 20 billion dollars in a blink of an eye, while you have some streetsmarts making money under the most adverse circumstances...that's why Gordon Gekko in the movie Wall Street said about Harvard experts that they are clueless individuals analyzing charts...
I generally agree with your observation, but your examples of "sex professionals, dominatrices, prostitutes, strippers, and people who have engaged in sadomasochism" as people more knowledgeable in the subject seems to me to be limiting the condition to a sexual kink... which may apply in a sub category of cases (with over representation in pop culture) but I think this condition is mostly about the patient's relationship to themselves and other people. I have a relative that repeatedly seeks out people who are emotionally abusive to her, and rejects or rationalizes away any effort to help her. She insists she will "soften the heart" of these people that abuse and humiliate her, basically by allowing them to abuse and humiliate her. She is also constantly "lending" large amounts of money to people who are clearly taking advantage of her (in the tens of thousands) and clearly have no intention of paying her back. Her stories have a constant theme "I am a nice person, this or that person was abusive to me, and I continued to be nice to them, so that makes me a good person... love me" If there is a sexual component to this behavior, it's so deeply unconscious I see no overt evidence of it. She was married for 50 years to a man that was even more submissive than her, whom she herself abused and dominated. So the situation is much more complex than a sexual kink. But, as I said, I agree with you on your initial sentiment.
there is a role for all types of intellectuals - he's a researcher. there are other academicians who specialize in application of basic research, but they (like Freud and Jung) have only intuition, personal experience and anecdote to work with unless scientists like this analyze problems
Don't really see the point of cracking jokes and being dismissive of the topic as you're trying to advance your thesis. It's distracting and un necessarily dismissive of an interesting topic
I would think so, from what I learned about personality disorders, the sub-types were hugely comorbid. But the disorders are not necessarily accurately specified, you are the only one who know what exactly you experience and who can find the causes, with help of others of course. Also I don't think that it necessarily has to take so long to recover... I wish you good luck. I've not realised that it such an old comment, I hope you're doing well.
... that's a relief to hear that on average it takes 14 years ... after 15 years I thought I was particularly 'recalcitrant'!! (perhaps I still am!!) I am finding EMDR and trauma therapy for my childhood abuse very helpful, though. And IFS, too. Good Luck to everybody on this journey!! (EMDR = Francine Shapiro's Eye Movement Desensitisation & Reprocessing; IFS = Richard Schwarz's Internal Family Systems)
Fr I've been diagnosed for two years and I've yet to see anything to help me get better. All I see is "this is exactly how you're fucked up" and "this should go back in the DSM" so now I know how I'm fucked up but the glory of the disorder makes me want to lean into it because I know other people have it worse so why should I even try.
Pausing in place of 'um' is extremely awkward and makes people think something is wrong with you. Anyone with a shred of social awareness knows that um and uh help with conversation flow.
All stats and no causal info. No framework providing any reasonable explanations for personal difficulties. A self serving presentation with no practical or functional insight. Disappointing.
You need a better understanding of research and clinical studies. It's a strict protocol and he's just couching the information in what the operating research protocols involved.
The speaker has really no speaker's talent. He is for the biggest part giving NO information about the subject itself. Just talking about how they analysed and cathoragized it. Which is of NO use and a conplete waste of time! And than I try to say it in a nice way.
@The Truth As I Know It welcome. I wish he would only present the info that is about the subject and not how he worked on it with the team and other not really relevant things around it
Micha Vlijmen, van Cold turkey and the conservation of energy as much possible including cutting out thinking in of it’s self (Meditate) alongside time will cure it. But the question is... is there a physical error that occurs that keeps you from doing that is what my problem is...
All stats and no causal info. No framework providing any reasonable explanations for personal difficulties. A self serving presentation with no practical or functional insight. Disappointing.
The sequence seems to be: Laziness >> Procrastination >> Guilt>> Emotional Masochism>> Sexual Masochism>> Self punishment >> Poignant impact on the mind. And the vicious circle continues
How to break the loop? It's even worse when you throw addiction in there. Is it a matter of willpower?
true masochists have no weakness
Johnson gang gang.
Except they're a masochist.
You cannot hate pain , you cannot try to avoid it .
DEAD !
DEAD !
DEAD !
David Goggins
Kindness or actual sadists treating kindly
Thank you for sharing this research. It's not a lecture per se but to me it was still very useful to come upon these findings.
Thankyou for posting these, ill do my best to get this knowledge out
Imagine having this chap as your psychoanalyst and expect him to resolve your problem. That's why when we get into the academic analysis we learn nothing about any other psychological behaviour or any other topic. It is like me reading an astronomical thesis about the possible political parties on planet Mars when it will be populated by humans in 2200..... if we ask sex professionals, dominatrices, prostitutes, strippers, and people who have engaged in sadomasochism we will have a vivid understanding of the topic. Having someone reading for half an hour a report it demonstrates how far away scholars are from day-to-day life. That's why we have some Nobel-prize laureates, professors, and scholars in economics who become advisors in hedge funds and blow 20 billion dollars in a blink of an eye, while you have some streetsmarts making money under the most adverse circumstances...that's why Gordon Gekko in the movie Wall Street said about Harvard experts that they are clueless individuals analyzing charts...
I generally agree with your observation, but your examples of "sex professionals, dominatrices, prostitutes, strippers, and people who have engaged in sadomasochism" as people more knowledgeable in the subject seems to me to be limiting the condition to a sexual kink... which may apply in a sub category of cases (with over representation in pop culture) but I think this condition is mostly about the patient's relationship to themselves and other people.
I have a relative that repeatedly seeks out people who are emotionally abusive to her, and rejects or rationalizes away any effort to help her. She insists she will "soften the heart" of these people that abuse and humiliate her, basically by allowing them to abuse and humiliate her. She is also constantly "lending" large amounts of money to people who are clearly taking advantage of her (in the tens of thousands) and clearly have no intention of paying her back. Her stories have a constant theme "I am a nice person, this or that person was abusive to me, and I continued to be nice to them, so that makes me a good person... love me"
If there is a sexual component to this behavior, it's so deeply unconscious I see no overt evidence of it. She was married for 50 years to a man that was even more submissive than her, whom she herself abused and dominated. So the situation is much more complex than a sexual kink. But, as I said, I agree with you on your initial sentiment.
there is a role for all types of intellectuals - he's a researcher. there are other academicians who specialize in application of basic research, but they (like Freud and Jung) have only intuition, personal experience and anecdote to work with unless scientists like this analyze problems
@@myotherusername9224 Totally agree.
I'm afraid you missed the point completely.
great lecture! I loved it. thank you!
Don't really see the point of cracking jokes and being dismissive of the topic as you're trying to advance your thesis. It's distracting and un necessarily dismissive of an interesting topic
I married a Woman with this. Holy Crap it all makes sense now.
11:00 is when i started crying
14 years!? I don't think I can hold out that long.
Actually I have a real question. Can you have more then one subtype of self-defeating personality disorder?
+TheGreatMoonFrog just ask wilie coyote...
GoNuts! Go crazy !aaawbdhsjanshejdnnejabd
I would think so, from what I learned about personality disorders, the sub-types were hugely comorbid. But the disorders are not necessarily accurately specified, you are the only one who know what exactly you experience and who can find the causes, with help of others of course.
Also I don't think that it necessarily has to take so long to recover... I wish you good luck.
I've not realised that it such an old comment, I hope you're doing well.
... that's a relief to hear that on average it takes 14 years ... after 15 years I thought I was particularly 'recalcitrant'!! (perhaps I still am!!) I am finding EMDR and trauma therapy for my childhood abuse very helpful, though. And IFS, too. Good Luck to everybody on this journey!! (EMDR = Francine Shapiro's Eye Movement Desensitisation & Reprocessing; IFS = Richard Schwarz's Internal Family Systems)
OK, check, check, check...What do I do?
Fr I've been diagnosed for two years and I've yet to see anything to help me get better. All I see is "this is exactly how you're fucked up" and "this should go back in the DSM" so now I know how I'm fucked up but the glory of the disorder makes me want to lean into it because I know other people have it worse so why should I even try.
sound like borderline
Gang gang. masochist
All stats :(
no such thing as masochix or disorx or order or not, cepux, be any is ok
Is the word "Um" a clinical term? Or, is he afflicted with "Um" speech disorder?....In which case he needs Um therapy.
Pausing in place of 'um' is extremely awkward and makes people think something is wrong with you.
Anyone with a shred of social awareness knows that um and uh help with conversation flow.
@@mrlahey2530 Maybe in dialogues. In a monologue, nobody will interrupt you so you don't need filler sounds.
All stats and no causal info. No framework providing any reasonable explanations for personal difficulties. A self serving presentation with no practical or functional insight. Disappointing.
Consdier that you may be missing some context. Please.
You need a better understanding of research and clinical studies. It's a strict protocol and he's just couching the information in what the operating research protocols involved.
The speaker has really no speaker's talent. He is for the biggest part giving NO information about the subject itself. Just talking about how they analysed and cathoragized it. Which is of NO use and a conplete waste of time! And than I try to say it in a nice way.
@The Truth As I Know It welcome. I wish he would only present the info that is about the subject and not how he worked on it with the team and other not really relevant things around it
Micha Vlijmen, van Cold turkey and the conservation of energy as much possible including cutting out thinking in of it’s self (Meditate) alongside time will cure it. But the question is... is there a physical error that occurs that keeps you from doing that is what my problem is...
All stats and no causal info. No framework providing any reasonable explanations for personal difficulties. A self serving presentation with no practical or functional insight. Disappointing.
Absolute waste of time! :(
The Rubio joke was lame. MAGA!