Removed a section in my camper where the entertainment area is and installed. Works great. Instead of propane furnace heat, I can use this ruclips.net/user/postUgkxATHBlMJwipGgVWseuAFKvDQ_5R4_lywo to heat the camper as long as it's hooked up to shore power. Only thing I do not like is there does not seem to be a thermostat. I'm presuming it has a built-in one so it does not overheat. Really like all the other color options it has to offer.
You can get the Weber Genesis with closed cabinet or open , I like the gas outside because it leaves for more storage inside , I compared both in Lowe’s the Weber is definitely made like a Tank , The Napoleon seemed hollow and tinny in comparison, I don’t have either but you seemed a little biased towards Napoleon
yeah in our test we liked the Napoleon better for sure. That was just our opinion in testing it though. Both performed great in actual cooking. I just personally like the look of the Napoleon, and when you get the enclosed cabinet in the Genesis then you are even more expensive in comparison.
@@embersliving weber retains heat better, it's much heavier and heat just leaves the Napoleon. You can talk BTUs all you want but if the heat just escapes quickly there is no point. I suspect you know that. You are being paid.
I just grabbed the handles and shook both lids on several weber and napoleon grills. I also lifted the lids of both. I can't speak on cooking on them. But without a shadow of a doubt weber is more solidly built. I had every intention on buying a napoleon after watching your videos. But the solidness "If that's a word" is more of a buying point for me over everything else about these grills.
One of the biggest differences for are the wheels! The Weber can easily move around the backyard with the large wheels. Forget moving any grill around on anything but a nice flat surface with those little coaster wheels. Thanks for the great video.
I’ve heard bad things about the build quality on the spirit II vs the older models so I almost changed my mind on getting it. But it seems to be about the same as the one you had for 20 years?
I just bought a genesis 2. I dont know anything about the Napoleon, but look pretty good too. I think the genesis is biult very well and i can see why folks are getting 10-15 years from their webers. I welcome great competition from Napoleon grills though cause weber needs to be pushed by competition. It will benefit us all in the end. 😁
I bought the 2020 450 Napoleon. The grill performs excellent. I liked the fact that it was different than what you might see at your neighbors house. Turns out it’s a really badass grill 😆🤙🏼
When we moved into our place 13 years ago it was our first place with a natural gas bib on the patio and we needed a new BBQ so we bought a Napoleon. We started looking to see if it was better to repair or replace because we love our Napoleon but 13 years of year round use. When we saw a year end clearance sale on a new Rouge XT it was a no brainer.
Just bought a Rogue XT thanks in-part to this video. While I appreciate the reputation and warranty of Weber I would've needed to spend another $200 to get an E-335 with comparable functionality to the Rogue XT. And from what I've gathered in my research Napoleon has outstanding customer service, so that gives me peace of mind that they'll back their warranty.
I've had my Weber 15 years and never had to hold the knob at the same time you push the igniter. I have a different model than this one reviewed so I checked it out. Clearly on RUclips videos you just do the following 1. Turn the knob to the start position 2. push the ignition. Done. I've never had a burner blow out either so not quite getting this point, not that you made it a big deal. Warranties. Weber Genesis is 10 years on all parts, Napoleon Rogue 15 on the lids (stainless or enamel and the base) The rest, 5 years or less although they do give a 50% discount until the 10th year. Again I'm finally replacing my Weber after 15 years left out doors with no cover and Weber has given me some exceptional deals on replacement parts. Good comparison though. Thanks for the video. You did say you wanted comments right:)
I thought the same thing. It doesn't take two hands to light, just takes 2 steps. Sure, the Napoleon has a more convenient ignition. We just bought the new Weber Spirit and look forward to many years of grilling.
We got a Weber Genesis II E-315 for our cabin last summer and it was the first "good" grill I've used. And it was amazing. We moved last fall so I waited till after the snow melted to get a new home grill to replace out awful Broil King. I was set on another Weber until I saw the Napoleon. Glad I stumbled onto your video as it was quite helpful. The ignition system along I think will be enough to change my mind. The lower price and longer warranty are icing on the cake. Thanks!
Very honest review. I'm in the market again after my Weber bit the dust after 13 years. What I'm noticing is while the cost of Webers have gone up, the quality seems to have gone down. So I'm looking at other options and Napoleon is a contender.
One thing the Weber grills have proven is that heat distrubution on the grilling surface is even, compared to most other grills. When doing these comparisons, place bread all over the cooking surface and see if the Napoleon grill has good heat distribution, cause that is what really makes a good grill as well.
I have seen so many very expensive grills that are over $2000, and the heat distribution is terrible. And on another point, I have seen those same expensive grills with ceramic briquette trays and they flame up so badly and burn everything. Grills with flavorizer bars are the best designed grills to prevent flame ups and provide great heat distribution. Thanks for your informative videos.
@@ianragoonanan5814 I had a $5000 dollar ( I got at wholesale from a friend at a BBQ shop) grill for 15 years. Had to keep the ceramic blocks clean, and were expensive to replace. Switched to Weber a few years ago, and the flavor bars and hands down better than the ceramic pucks
@@embersliving the video literally made it look harder than it is. Turn and push. You don't have to keep your hand on the knob. Someone's a little biased, or maybe a paid spokesperson for Napoleon?
Thanks for the review but my biggest concern is still unanswered. The real question is which one of these two guys, grills better (1. more evenly 2. more flavourly). I have heard that Weber retains heat better due to the double walls, better materials being used and of course these heat reflectors at the bottom ! What do you have to say about it ?
My Weber Genesis grill I bought in 2003 and is still working great. It has an enclosed base and the burners have a linking gas line in case one is blown out....so I will save some big cash and keep my old reliable!!!!
I consider the Weber more stylish, the Rogue looks old school all around. When I heard it takes two hands to light the Weber, all I could think is, this is a Napoleon commercial. On the Weber you turn on the gas and use the same hand to hit the igniter and the burner lights. What I don't understand is why Weber went to separate burners, my very old Genesis Silver has them all tied together, just like the Rogue . I've read other reviews on the new Weber Spirit II e310 and saw quite a few complaints about the temp not going over 450 degrees if it was just a little cool outside. That made me a little squeamish about pulling the trigger today. I believe my old Weber is hitting between 600 and 700 degrees, I always bury the needle past 550 when I preheat for steak. I won't buy a grill that tops out at 450 degrees. I would appreciate any feedback on that point from Weber owners. I'm going to keep looking and asking questions, but right now I think I'm on track for buying an older used Weber in good condition and doing a complete rebuild.
Hey man, thanks for writing that. They don't ever mention the temp problem in these reviews; especially in comparison to a $300 grill. Which is strange, because that's a huge reason to justify your purchase.
Great review and yes I totally agree that the Napoleon has so many well though out differences that make it a much better buy, guarantee, burners, ignition system and enclosed base.
@@embersliving The only thing that has now put me off (in Europe anyway) buying a Napoleon grill is that most apart from the very expensive ones are now made in China so quality will be an issue.
I have a newer genisis that’s two years old and it is already rusting. The stainless doesn’t hold up. So if you buy it keep it oiled. The igniter died and the sear knob melted for some reason. The Weber covers have also gone downhill. Mine is falling apart at only 2 years and that was a “premium” cover for $100. The Velcro does not resist UV damage causing the Velcro to deteriorate quickly.
The Weber is hands down the better choice. I’ve had closed pedestal grills and in the wintertime they are always home for field mice . This is a total napoleon commercial. Weber is the standard that all grills should go by
We spend our hard earned money buying these grills, and then put in a ton of time and effort in our reviews. Our opinion is different then yours. Just because it’s different then what you think doesn’t make it a commercial :). Thanks so much for watching and make sure to subscribe
I just bought my first bbq 3 days ago, a Weber E-320 GBS Premium for a £650 and I just found out today that the Napoleon ROGUE RXT425SIBPSS-1 exists (not very much advertised in the UK so I didn't even know about the brand). It goes for £791. Ok, its a bit more expensive but other than the sizzling infrared side burner (which is something that the weber doesn't have and looks useful), the Napoleon can be converted to a charcoal BBQ using a tray placed directly over the burners. This is amazing. Such an anti-climax for my new BBQ ... I wish I knew earlier, lol
I know the video is a year old, but saying you have to use two hands to ignite the Weber, is just SO misleading 😊 Turn on the gas first, and then use the same hand to push the ignite button afterwards 👍🏻 Keep holding in the gasbutton, while pushing the ignitebutton with the other hand, is simply unnecessary!
I totally regret my purchase of the weber. The quality has gone down so much. The valves for the burners get so hard to turn that it strips the plastic knobs. Now weber has no issues sending new knobs out but it sucks to be always requesting parts.
I just bought a Weber Spirit II E-310 yesterday. It is very different than the one you show. they must have done some improvements. the base is still open but no tank skirts at all. It has the cross tube to all three burners for ignition by one igniter, which would allow for self reignition of a blown out burner. also the grease trap is mounted to the bottom of the tub base in a removeable tray. I do admit the Napoleon would look better on my deck.
I have the 5 year old Napoleon Triumph, and just bought the Napoleon 425 SE with sear side burner for the camp. I love my Napoleon. The older one works as well as the day I bought it. After 3 years of grilling during all 4 Canadian seasons, the cast iron grill surface started to crack, something all my BBQs have done over the years, Napoleon quickly and easily replaced them with the stainless steel grills for free. Pluses: The cover is not too deep like many cheaper BBQs. Size matters, the Napoleon's lower profile cover results in less time to heat up (brilliant). Great even heat. Easy to clean. GREAT after sale service. BEST warranty, 15 years, bumper to bumper, are you kidding me?! You can't go wrong buying a Napoleon.
I just bought the Weber SE version of the grill reviewed , comes with stainless cooking grated instead of porcelain coated. it does not take 2 hands to light the grill. You turn the knob to the ignite position then hit the ignite button all with the same hand. You can get the Weber with an enclosed cabinet if you want as well. Also the likelihood of wind blowing out your flame is low. Decent review though.
Yeah the SE is nice, but really is out of the price range of the rogue so it wouldn't be apples to apples. We will be comparing that model to the Prestige, stay tuned for that video!
I got the 2020 Napoleon Rouge 425 SE with the sizzle zone. Best grill I ever had. It’s amazing. Weber is more expensive and offers less value. Both are well built.
Embers Fireplaces & Outdoor Living in my opinion the build quality of the Weber is superior to the Napoleon. I had the Weber genesis and sold it when I sold my house. The new house I wanted to try the Napoleon prestige. It’s been 5 years since the purchase so maybe Napoleon has changed, but putting it together noticed a difference in quality. The Napoleon felt flimsier. Biggest difference is the Napoleon has no where near the even heat distribution that the Weber had. Very noticeable hot and cold spots on the Napoleon. I do like the infrared seat station on the Napoleon vs the side burner on the Weber though.
I agree with you. Had a Napoleon Prestige 450. The casting around the inside base of the grill cracked and eventually resulted in a piece falling off. Unless something has changed I would be hesitant buying another Napoleon.
@@richardcatania5086 I agree with you. I had a Napoleon Triumph 410 for 2 years. it was flimsy and the firebox was shallow and caused the fat drip tray to catch fire every time i cooked. no matter how much i cleaned it. i just got a Genesis e310 and i LOVE it. deeper box as well.
Nice review since I'm in the market to replace my Weber. One thing I'm curious about is the grease trap on the Napoleon. And curious as to why Weber went away from their burner operation. Used to be they had a gas tube that connected all of the burners for ignition.
Personally, I'm torn between the "Napoleon ROGUE® XT 425 SIB" and the "Weber Spirit SP-335". It seems that the Napoleon is about a hundred dollars more, but provides 5 years more warranty. The Weber has a gas tank scale, but the Rogue doesn't have anything. The Spirit's shape and burners have proven to spread heat evenly and cook really well. I have yet to find a good review of the Rogue's heat dissipation. I don't like that the Rogue has it's back almost half open to the weather, while the Spirit has just a small opening in the back. I like the Rogue's all black paint, and I worry the Spirit's stainless steel shell will look stained in a year. For another hundred bucks, I can upgrade the Rogue 425 to the 525 which would provide a 4th burner and a bigger surface. But the Spirit SP caps out at 3 burners unless you want to jump to the Genesis, and the Genesis is more expensive and doesn't heat up as fast.
We did a toast test which is where you place bread across all the cooking area, and turn the burners on. Both grills performed marvelous with very even cooking. Personally I Would take the better warranty and more cooking real estate. WE stock both if you need them! Also please subscribe to our channel!
Hey Gi Al, I'm in the same position. I'm torn between the two. Being in the UK, it will spend a large amount of time under a cover, so I'm thinking the Napoleon so I can fold the shelves down and we get a lot more wind - so the connecting burners helps too. But the Spirit Premium 335 seems like the superior grill especially with the Searing Station?! I will be doing mainly steaks through the year. Would you mind saying which you went with in the end and whether you were happy with it? Thanks Embers for the videos. Really helpful. Cheers A
@@adammc2247, Hi Adam, it took me six months to finally buy a grill. I think the covid shutdown caused me to pause on large purchases for a bit. But anyways, I got the Napoleon Rogue XT SIB 525. The 15 year bumper to bumper warranty that Napoleon offers just out does the weber's 1 year starter warranty, 5 year burner warranty, and 10 year frame warranty. But also, the Rogue XT offers a Side Infrared Burner that is awesome! The Infrared feature makes that burner from 700 degrees F to 1800 degrees F! Its almost dangerous. haha. But its so good for searing a steak so its juicy and for rapidly getting water to boil or steam some vegetables. Just have to keep it on the lowest setting or else it will burn stuff. But thats just on the side of the grill, so I love that it doesn't take up the grilling real estate. The jet starters on each burner knob is amazing. Also, I grill on a poorly lit deck, and I got this LED lamp made by Napoleon for Rogue, and it is truly amazing. The LED lamp is very similar to the Weber LED lamps, but when I bought the Weber LED lamps for an old genesis years ago, the water immediately destroyed the lamps. So far, the Napoleon LED lamp has held up well. Also, the Napoleon LED lamp really lights things up so much better. I paid $899 for the Rogue XT SIB 525, but $60 for the cover; $15 for the condiment tray add-on; $20 for the LED lamp; and $60 for taxes. Also, I bought it in a box. So I had to assemble it myself. I did it with just a single phillips head screw driver, but it took me about 2.5 hours. I dont like that the cabinet is open in the back of the grill. I dont like that the Side Infrared burner uses an battery electric starter while the rest of the main burners use a great mechanical jet starter. I wish they did away with the battery there. The grates are a little wide for my liking; but the sear marks are cool and wavy. The iron grates are really really beefy. My old Weber spirit had weak iron grates in comparison. These Napoleon grates will last a very long time, i can tell already. I have a bit of an issue with the way the magnet latch on the front doors are attached to the drip pan.... it causes the drip pan to be yanked a little every time I open the doors, which causes the drip pan to make a clang sound. I might try to put some sort of padding under the drip pan so that it won't bang against the grill everytime I open the doors. Oh, and I went with the ALL BLACK version of the rogue, which saved me $100 and also, it looks amazing. Its jet black with grey accents. The black washes easily and doesn't scratch like the stainless steel used to on my weber. It just feels really solid.
Oh, also realize, that the Side Burner takes up a shelf, so while the shelf can still be lowered, you would have to disconnect the burner each time, otherwise you risk essentially bending the propane line at a 90 degree angle and breaking it. So with the SIB connected, you really only have one shelf that can be lowered quickly and easily.
So it all boils down to aesthetics... then ease of use and performance. The Napolean not only looks much better but performs better. Thanks for making our decision easier. Great vid!
Im still between Weber and Napoleon. Napoleon warranty is just superb. Weber has market history while the Rogue's are still new compared to Weber's history, not much on the Rogue's long term performance. Several Weber owners with enclosed Webers are reporting serious rust on the base of their enclosed webers. This portion is only has a 2 year warranty with Weber. From reviews seems like the both perform well....but long term I think Napoleon wins because of warranty.
Had a genesis 310 for 12 years. Grill is still great but the bottom pan, frame and wheel assemblies just rusted to nothing. I switched to Napoleon 525. Much less expensive than a new weber and bigger grilling area. We'll see how it goes.
Love this video, thank you for the comparison. I was looking into getting a new grill and was leaning towards a Weber. This was an eye opening video but my only concern is that the grill i am replacing is a Napoleon Prestige II 450 that is still in great shape, i just HATE it. Don't get me wrong, it's still in great shape despite being outdoors all year long in New York's crazy weather. I was inspired to buy it after watching License to Grill, a Canadian grilling show, he used a Napoleon and loved it, so I ordered one, no dealers anywhere near NY at the time and it cost me almost $1000 with shipping. What I hate is the uneven heat from day one. Back right corner hot as hell, middle back somewhat hot, left back corner less hot, rest of grill sucks and the front, might add well be a warming rack. It has soured my opinion of Napoleon grills. I prefer to use my $200 Coleman tailgating grill because the heat is more even. So my question is this, are these new Napoleons better than the older ones or am I just in for another disappointment. Mind you I am not a serious griller, I grill a few times a month dieing the warmer months
Yes I think they have improved a lot over the years. In the 12 years I have been selling them. They went from “what’s a Napoleon?”. To people coming in asking for them. And that certainly has something to do with the quality for sure. I’d take a look at the prestige 500. That being said some of the upgraded Weber’s are also great. I’m just not a fan of the Weber in the video.
Also, doesn’t matter about one or two hands lighting the grill, no one puts food on the grill until it heats up. I do like the wind thing, but usually not cooking in wind like that anyhow.
Great review as I am looking at grills right now and it seems the Napoleon is the winner. Napoleon looks a lot better and the ignition is without a doubt much better for the user. Thank you!!
Just bought the E315 because I like the pedestal as I have no place close to my BBQ to store BBQ tools. Plus it looks better and being the natural gas version it doesn't have the exposed tank problem. Replacing a 17 year old Vermont Castings which I loved, but the steel bottom rotted away where the burners mount. And the grease seeping out from the seams was annoying. Can't wait to put this thing together! Oh and I also didn't think about the dogs getting into the grease tray. That is actually a very good point. I'm sure it would also attract the damned raccoons and other critters as well.
Today looked at the Genesis ll E335, $1049 in stainless at Home Depot Then found the Napoleon Rouge xb525 4 burners with the side shelf sear burner for $849 at my nearby Coastal .. Going with the Napoleon after seeing your vid...
Had the Napolean Lex 485 RSIB....cheaper than the “equivalent” Weber with a longer warranty, more features and a higher BTU.....it’s a no brainer. After four years the customer service whenever I need anything is nothing short of spectacular. The grill after fours years of 10 months a year at about 4-6 meals a week on it....performs like the day I bought. Will never buy anything else.
Kind of odd to say Napoleon customer service was spectacular after four years. I had to leave a Weber Genesis natural gas at the home I just sold. I have no clue how good Weber customer service is b/c in the 15 years I had the grill I never had to call them.
I like both of these grill about equally. I have the Weber E-335 but often recommend the Napoleon Rogue to friends who are looking for a quality grill. However you comparing the Napoleon Rogue to the Weber E-310 is a poor comparison. It should have been the Weber E-335. If you want to start all of the burners at once turn them all on and hit the igniter. All one handed if you insist. The Weber E-335 has at least 40% more storage room than the Napoleon Rogue. That's the reason for the tanks external mounts. Plus it has a built in scale. I am really surprised that someone who sells the Weber grills doesn't seem to know much about them.
WTF Why didn't you compare the 4 burner Napoleon with the enclosed cabinet to the 4 burner Genesis with the enclosed cabinet and sear station? Cause the Weber would have smoked it. Useless biased comparison.
Weber can be lucky it didn’t go up against legend/lex, with rear and side infrared burners. Weber has parts of that in their top models but then it is not comparable in price. I vote for Napoleon, and I welcome this competition, it is healthy for driving up the performance and quality.
The Napoleon is more well thought out but one thing that you can't tell is that the Weber is much heavier and more well built and the actual cooking chest is much more well insulated on the Weber so it cooks more like an oven. If you spend less then 1500 on a BBQ Weber is much better but after that the Napoleon's are the clear winner. I have a Napoleon prestige and Weber has nothing to compare to it. My wife even demoed the cover on my seer station and Napoleon sent me a replacement no questions asked. They support their product extremely well.
I don’t agree I have a $2600 Weber had it for ten years still like new, everybody says I’m a great cook but it’s the bbq, I can’t see ever buying another bbq.
Fair enough. I know alot of people that have the new Webers and they all see my prestige 665 and they all say they say the same thing. The Napoleon's much nicer. As far as it's the BBQ making your food good I can't agree with that. I'm the local grill guy for everyone and I can make the best food on anything. If your food is good it's cause of you not the grill my friend.
I have one of the older Weber E-310s that had the crossfire ignition. It's sad to see that Weber has severely cut corners with the burner design, the ignition system, and the open cabinet. I definitely would not buy the newer version and opt for the Napoleon instead.
I just bought a Weber gen 310, I’m a big Weber fan but let’s face it napoleon is the better grill between the two in this comparison. Only reason I bought the last Weber was a discount I got at my hardware store for $600 Canadian
I bought the Rogue XT with infrared side burner last year. Kicks ass, looks great. Bought some Grill Grates. Still an experiment but getting good eats all the same. Was up in the air between Napoleon and Weber, think I made the right choice.
Oh awesome choice!! The infrared side burner really changes the game of cooking! I agree, you made the right choice especially with the side burner. Thanks for watching
you dont have to use both hands. I have I weber. you can placed all of them on the light setting and they will all light up at the same time. Why is your dog drink greasy?
Again, the Weber is available with an enclosed cabinet. Also available with a fourth burner for searing. Having to use two hands to light the burners would be a safety feature to anyone with small children. Poor comparison of models, seems you are predisposed to the Napoleon.
no not at all. The weber does offer those features. But when you go up to that model. The prices are so far different that it is no longer comparable with the Napoleon rouge, but rather the Napoleon prestige at that point. And once your there its not a fair fight either
I know you can get a reversible griddle for the Napoleon, but can you get one for the webber? I want one where you can remove the grill rack and replace a section with griddle like the Napoleon. Do Weber do this for the Genesis II?
Eh, cook something. Mostly subjective. Looking for a new grill and this didn't help. Dont know anyone that lights a grill open but maybe I am doing it wrong. Are you going to tell me that you go out to light the grill with your hands full? Really? If I were you I would try this comparison again. 4 burners versus three would be good to see the bread test not to mention if the 4 burner consumes more fuel. i know I am being picky but I have more questions now than before the video. I do thank you for posting it and gave a thumbs up for your efforts.
well its a 3 burner and 4 but the cooking area is the same that's why we did it that way. I suppose with the extra burner you are going to use more fuel, but it did heat up quicker and got to temp.
I agree that the open style of the WEBER is not good, had not thought about the dog but that would be bad. Excellent review. Sadly I cant pop over as I live 4000 miles away.
The new Weber Genesis seems cheaper in every way except price - My 12 year old Genesis is still going. and seems so much of a better. Weber used to be made in the US - now made in china and hence the difference in quality. When it time for a new grill I wont be getting another Weber. Looks like Napoleon give you more for less.
I called Weber about the Genesis 2 and they told me the Genesis is made in Illinois and the customer service rep laughed when I told her I was checking to confirm they were made in USA and said of course they are. Some sites say they are made in China but other sites say the Genesis 2 is actually made in the USA, so I will do a little more digging. In saying that, Napoleon grills are made in Barrie Ontario and they source local Canadian steel and are Canadian made and very good quality. We still haven't decided which brand to buy though. Costco has the best return policy so even if the manufacturer doesn't cover an issue, Costco always takes returns even years later so buy Costco and if your not happy return it and try the other one :)
@@niner8259 china makes great quality, it all depends to the demands to the customer. the customer (weber) decides what materials are used and the quality assurance. it's US firms giving low build specs and quality to chinese manufacturers. you act like the chinese manufacturer decides these things. it's the greedy US firm that wants to cheaper builds to make more money. apple has all their phone made in china and the quality is high, same for xbox, and even japanese firms have stuff built in china.
A downfall to all the burners being connected as one and not independent is, if one breaks, they all have to be replaced since one instead of separately like the Weber. So I’m sure it’s cheaper in the long run.
P Jennings we did compare apples to apples from a price standpoint. The Weber 3 burner is the closest in size to the rogue and when you go to the 4 burner Weber with doors. It’s not even on the same ball park as far as price goes to the Napoleon. These two that we did are closest in size and price
If that were the case you would be comparing to the Weber E-330 with the integrated sear station. Both models are identically priced at Lowe’s.com I noticed during the demonstration he says you have to use two hands to ignite the Weber. This is totally not the case. You can turn the knob with one hand then use that same hand to press the igniter button. Sure it may not be as easy as the Napoleon but I believe he was making it seem unnecessarily difficult. I have nothing to do with the Weber corporation. I just like to watch fair comparisons.
Totally agree that Nepoleon pedestal has cleaner look and burners seem more simplistic. My old Weber had enclosed pedestal (9 years old). Would have stayed with Weber but open pedestal convince me to purchase Ne[pleon in near future.
Napoleon's Rogue series is made in China, only the Prestige series is made in Canada. IMO, this doesn't matter, Napoleon parts are first class, and is a better BBQ than Weber.
Went to replace my 3rd Char-Broil because the grill surface was not large enough to smoke a full Brisket ( I do not need anyone telling me I need a Smoker) my daughter saw a Napoleon RXT626SIB and pulled me over to see it. The Napoleon was made much better than the Char-Broil that I was looking at. I have a brisket on now and it is much easier to control the temperature and use the smoke box. Will see how it performs down the road. Those Weber users that are badmouthing about how to start the grill have OLD grills that can not be compared to a new one.
I have decided on a weber until I saw this video. I would love to have the Napoleon but nobody has it. They’re all sold out. I had a dealer tell me that Napoleon was experiencing some major supply chain issues.
Mahalo from Oahu, I so appreciate your detailed breakdown and totally shocked me because I was 99.5 I was buying the Weber; however, the half-view of their tank, WTH, the two handed ignition challenge and re-igniting if those pacific trade winds come thru...safety issue there propane gas still spewing out...whoa...Mahalo Uso....I’ll be watching you and I’m pressing the subscription button as well....Stay Covered DF
Yea, the black rogue xt SIB 425 and 525 are selling like hot cakes. Curiously, there are a few features in the Rogue xt, that the Nap Prestige doesn’t even have, yet the Prestige costs $300-400 more.
Question.....Do you know if there is a grill cover that will fit the Rogue 525 with the sides down? I would love to store it with them down so it takes up less space....but the only covers I can find are the large ones that cover the extended sides. I checked the overall dimensions, but so far I haven't run across anything that seems like it will fit. Any suggestions? I just got my grill today, and I am literally storing it in the living room until I can find a cover. LOL Thanks so much!
@@embersliving Thanks so much for the info. I will check Amazon to see if I can find somethign that will work....otherwise, I may just get the one that is made for the 525 and try to modify it somehow. Thanks again!
Talk is cheap. All the presenter did is pretty much discussing differences of mostly cosmetics and layout/design between each grill. It is like comparing competing car brand's features on discussing on white wall tires and the look of more "chrome", well in this presenter's case: the amount of porcelain finish versus bare metal. Who cares? There is a saying: "Chrome won't get you home." Need an actual performance test. How evenly and quickly does it come up to temperature? How well does it sear/char a steak quickly? Is there hot/cold spots on any parts of the grill? Grilling burgers, nothing more annoying than burgers that over/undercooked that are being cooked at the same time. The two above examples of steaks and burgers being grilled should be the standard in performance tests for any grill to do it's duty as it is meant to be. Actual flavor test? Does it impart the characteristic taste and smell of food that is "grilled" flavor? If not, then what is the point of having the grill in the first place? Smoking meats should also be considered but as a "plus or secondary" option. Like actual temperature reading during a long smoke, for instance: pulled pork. Grill marks! Yes, some people do care about grill marks. Accessories/additional features: Rotisserie option? Wood chip fire box access and placement? Grease and debris placement/access. Ease of mobility: balanced lid weight (some avid grillers are getting older or may have shoulder problems and also many are female, they will appreciate the design of a lighter lid and overall weight of the grill itself. Also, how well do the wheels are performing across a wide variety of wooden/stone deck or pavement or pool surfaces? Cleanliness? Does it leak grease or how does it handle ash without dirtying up the grilling area such as the ground or on expensive decks? Also ease of cleaning and replacements parts availability. Warranty and after sales service? All of these should be questions that anyone considering purchasing a grill should ask in the first place.
barfman7767 thanks for the feedback. One test we did perform but didn’t include in the video. Was a toast test. We fill both grills with bread and fire it up, and wait and see where the hotspots are. The grills performed so identical with no hotspots. That it was a little redundant to put in the video
I've had a Napolean now for 5 years, although not this exact model. Mine has the side sear grate. You cannot trust it. Almost every time it will flare up and blacken your food. When grilling burgers, no problem, but I do not want to stand out there rooted to one spot while my ribs are supposed to be cooking. I use grill grates and even then the left side will still flare up and burn your food. Low setting is to low for most food, and the mid level will STILL burn off. I bought this one because at the time Weber was still running burners lengthwise and you could not go indirect, it had good review, yada, yada. I would like to crap can my napolean and start over with the new redesigned the correct way Weber, but it is tuff to walk away from a 1200 dollar grill. I would never hear the end of it from the blonde. I have been grilling and smoking meat and veggies for many years. It's not the worst grill ever, but I would NEVER buy another one again
The enclosed box is vented. It is not actually sealed tight. So the propane actually escapes. I was picking between both and like most people say the weber seemed better built, but the rogue was a much better oven. I ended getting a prestige, which I think is a better investment than all this. Its got the construction of weber (superior in fact to the weber), and the functionality is just so much better youd need to pay almost twice what the prestige series cost to get a comparable unit from weber.
Am I missing something here? Why not compare Webers Genesis 315 that has a cabinet or Webers 4 burner version so you are comparing apples and apples? This was a biased review in my humble opinion. I think the grills compete very closely even if you were to compare apples to apples but you definitely did not do Weber any justice in this review. Now....just to show you I am not a Weber fan boy.....I did like the double row of holes in the burners and that the cross over burner was completely protected in the Napoleon. The new Weber burners are very stout these days and they remove quite easily with no tools so that is a big plus. Cleaning curvy grates has to be a pain compared to cleaning straight cooking grates lets be honest here. As far as the ignition system goes...Weber Summits have the " one hand " ignition and I have restored a couple of them....they are more intricate to replace and there are more moving parts.....Webers Genesis ignition system is simple and inexpensive to replace. I should do a video :) .....if you guys have a Weber rep he or she isnt gunna be happy when they see this comparison.
Thanks for the review! I'm wondering your thoughts specifically on these models head-to-head, as they're about the same price right now: Genesis II SE-335 vs. Rogue XT 425 SIB stainless steel (both $1k) Genesis II E-325/330/335 ($850/900/950) vs. Rogue XT 425 SIB black ($900) or is it stupid to pay this much more and instead just get the open cart and smaller Spirit II E-310 for half the price...! Is it really worth shelling out more money for a side burner? (I'm looking for a natural gas hookup; otherwise, the Spirit SP-335 would also be in contention). Appreciate your time and thoughts! Great videos.
@@embersliving thanks for the reply. I'm now waiting for my xt-425 to arrive and second-guessing whether it'll be too small! It's hard to be this neurotic.
Removed a section in my camper where the entertainment area is and installed. Works great. Instead of propane furnace heat, I can use this ruclips.net/user/postUgkxATHBlMJwipGgVWseuAFKvDQ_5R4_lywo to heat the camper as long as it's hooked up to shore power. Only thing I do not like is there does not seem to be a thermostat. I'm presuming it has a built-in one so it does not overheat. Really like all the other color options it has to offer.
Thanks for pointing out the differences of the ignition systems and burners. I would have never picked up on that. Great review!
Glad to help!
You can get the Weber Genesis with closed cabinet or open , I like the gas outside because it leaves for more storage inside , I compared both in Lowe’s the Weber is definitely made like a Tank , The Napoleon seemed hollow and tinny in comparison, I don’t have either but you seemed a little biased towards Napoleon
yeah in our test we liked the Napoleon better for sure. That was just our opinion in testing it though. Both performed great in actual cooking. I just personally like the look of the Napoleon, and when you get the enclosed cabinet in the Genesis then you are even more expensive in comparison.
Agreed, Weber better build quality, noticeable, and cooking performance.
Antimatter Weber means Premium Quality .... people I know that have any Weber product ... new or old ... they withstand weather for decades ..
@@embersliving weber retains heat better, it's much heavier and heat just leaves the Napoleon. You can talk BTUs all you want but if the heat just escapes quickly there is no point. I suspect you know that. You are being paid.
I just grabbed the handles and shook both lids on several weber and napoleon grills. I also lifted the lids of both. I can't speak on cooking on them. But without a shadow of a doubt weber is more solidly built. I had every intention on buying a napoleon after watching your videos. But the solidness "If that's a word" is more of a buying point for me over everything else about these grills.
One of the biggest differences for are the wheels! The Weber can easily move around the backyard with the large wheels. Forget moving any grill around on anything but a nice flat surface with those little coaster wheels. Thanks for the great video.
Thanks for the tips!
I agree, however the new Freestyle Napoleon series has same big wheels as Weber which is definitely better to move around on grass for example.
Have had a Weber for 20 years, just replaced it with a Weber Spirit II. Love it. Well-built!
Very cool!
I’ve heard bad things about the build quality on the spirit II vs the older models so I almost changed my mind on getting it. But it seems to be about the same as the one you had for 20 years?
Weber grills last decades no matter the weather ..
I just bought a genesis 2. I dont know anything about the Napoleon, but look pretty good too. I think the genesis is biult very well and i can see why folks are getting 10-15 years from their webers. I welcome great competition from Napoleon grills though cause weber needs to be pushed by competition. It will benefit us all in the end. 😁
100% true. As a retailer I see that with all brands and industries they all push each other
I bought the 2020 450 Napoleon.
The grill performs excellent.
I liked the fact that it was different than what you might see at your neighbors house. Turns out it’s a really badass grill 😆🤙🏼
haha awesome!
Im thinking of getting a Napoleon. Is it easy to clean with the swurvy grill grates?
No difference to clean the grill.
It’s a awesome grill!!!
@@dsk5584 Cleans easily, no difference from others.
When we moved into our place 13 years ago it was our first place with a natural gas bib on the patio and we needed a new BBQ so we bought a Napoleon. We started looking to see if it was better to repair or replace because we love our Napoleon but 13 years of year round use. When we saw a year end clearance sale on a new Rouge XT it was a no brainer.
Great choice! Thanks for watching.
Just bought a Rogue XT thanks in-part to this video. While I appreciate the reputation and warranty of Weber I would've needed to spend another $200 to get an E-335 with comparable functionality to the Rogue XT. And from what I've gathered in my research Napoleon has outstanding customer service, so that gives me peace of mind that they'll back their warranty.
great choice!
yea, me too. In 15 years i’ll probably want a new grill anyways! And Naps warranty is bumper to bumper, while webers is limited to certain parts.
Why would you carry food around while lighting up grills? 1. Light up the Grill 2. Prep your food 3. Grill it when the grill is hot
He just thought of that off the top of his head.Its really because he would have to set his grape soda down .
wow
I've had my Weber 15 years and never had to hold the knob at the same time you push the igniter. I have a different model than this one reviewed so I checked it out. Clearly on RUclips videos you just do the following 1. Turn the knob to the start position 2. push the ignition. Done. I've never had a burner blow out either so not quite getting this point, not that you made it a big deal. Warranties. Weber Genesis is 10 years on all parts, Napoleon Rogue 15 on the lids (stainless or enamel and the base) The rest, 5 years or less although they do give a 50% discount until the 10th year. Again I'm finally replacing my Weber after 15 years left out doors with no cover and Weber has given me some exceptional deals on replacement parts. Good comparison though. Thanks for the video. You did say you wanted comments right:)
I did! Thanks so much for the feedback!
I thought the same thing. It doesn't take two hands to light, just takes 2 steps. Sure, the Napoleon has a more convenient ignition. We just bought the new Weber Spirit and look forward to many years of grilling.
As of Jan 1, 2020, Napoleon Rogue series is 15 years bumper to bumper.
Napoleon's warranty is 15 years bumper to bumper!
@@TCCacher May be, when I looked it was part specific. Maybe it changed.
We got a Weber Genesis II E-315 for our cabin last summer and it was the first "good" grill I've used. And it was amazing. We moved last fall so I waited till after the snow melted to get a new home grill to replace out awful Broil King. I was set on another Weber until I saw the Napoleon. Glad I stumbled onto your video as it was quite helpful. The ignition system along I think will be enough to change my mind. The lower price and longer warranty are icing on the cake. Thanks!
thanks for the feedback
Very honest review. I'm in the market again after my Weber bit the dust after 13 years. What I'm noticing is while the cost of Webers have gone up, the quality seems to have gone down. So I'm looking at other options and Napoleon is a contender.
thats a great choice
One thing the Weber grills have proven is that heat distrubution on the grilling surface is even, compared to most other grills. When doing these comparisons, place bread all over the cooking surface and see if the Napoleon grill has good heat distribution, cause that is what really makes a good grill as well.
Good point! We did do that test, we show it in another video. They were both so even and so perfect we didn’t mention it, cause it was almost boring
I have seen so many very expensive grills that are over $2000, and the heat distribution is terrible. And on another point, I have seen those same expensive grills with ceramic briquette trays and they flame up so badly and burn everything. Grills with flavorizer bars are the best designed grills to prevent flame ups and provide great heat distribution. Thanks for your informative videos.
@@ianragoonanan5814 I had a $5000 dollar ( I got at wholesale from a friend at a BBQ shop) grill for 15 years. Had to keep the ceramic blocks clean, and were expensive to replace. Switched to Weber a few years ago, and the flavor bars and hands down better than the ceramic pucks
I’m be been completely indecisive between these 2 very grills for about 2-3 weeks now. You just sold me on the Napoleon!!! Thanks a million!
Hope you enjoy
You don't need two hands to light the Weber. Just turn to the ignite position and press the ignition.
ok sure, still an extra step. the point is, the Napoleon have built in ignitors per burner. one hand... two hands. still inferior to the Napoleon
@@embersliving the video literally made it look harder than it is. Turn and push. You don't have to keep your hand on the knob. Someone's a little biased, or maybe a paid spokesperson for Napoleon?
@@embersliving you're basically dishonest. the important factors is how heat is managed on the grill. weber makes better use of energy/heat.
Thanks for the review but my biggest concern is still unanswered.
The real question is which one of these two guys, grills better (1. more evenly 2. more flavourly).
I have heard that Weber retains heat better due to the double walls, better materials being used and of course these heat reflectors at the bottom !
What do you have to say about it ?
good question, we did a test, and they perform near identical. so I dont think there is a difference there
My Weber Genesis grill I bought in 2003 and is still working great. It has an enclosed base and the burners have a linking gas line in case one is blown out....so I will save some big cash and keep my old reliable!!!!
Good to know!
I consider the Weber more stylish, the Rogue looks old school all around. When I heard it takes two hands to light the Weber, all I could think is, this is a Napoleon commercial. On the Weber you turn on the gas and use the same hand to hit the igniter and the burner lights. What I don't understand is why Weber went to separate burners, my very old Genesis Silver has them all tied together, just like the Rogue . I've read other reviews on the new Weber Spirit II e310 and saw quite a few complaints about the temp not going over 450 degrees if it was just a little cool outside. That made me a little squeamish about pulling the trigger today. I believe my old Weber is hitting between 600 and 700 degrees, I always bury the needle past 550 when I preheat for steak. I won't buy a grill that tops out at 450 degrees. I would appreciate any feedback on that point from Weber owners. I'm going to keep looking and asking questions, but right now I think I'm on track for buying an older used Weber in good condition and doing a complete rebuild.
thanks for the feedback
Hey man, thanks for writing that. They don't ever mention the temp problem in these reviews; especially in comparison to a $300 grill. Which is strange, because that's a huge reason to justify your purchase.
Great review and yes I totally agree that the Napoleon has so many well though out differences that make it a much better buy, guarantee, burners, ignition system and enclosed base.
Totally agree!
@@embersliving The only thing that has now put me off (in Europe anyway) buying a Napoleon grill is that most apart from the very expensive ones are now made in China so quality will be an issue.
I have a newer genisis that’s two years old and it is already rusting. The stainless doesn’t hold up. So if you buy it keep it oiled. The igniter died and the sear knob melted for some reason.
The Weber covers have also gone downhill. Mine is falling apart at only 2 years and that was a “premium” cover for $100. The Velcro does not resist UV damage causing the Velcro to deteriorate quickly.
The Weber is hands down the better choice. I’ve had closed pedestal grills and in the wintertime they are always home for field mice . This is a total napoleon commercial. Weber is the standard that all grills should go by
We spend our hard earned money buying these grills, and then put in a ton of time and effort in our reviews. Our opinion is different then yours. Just because it’s different then what you think doesn’t make it a commercial :). Thanks so much for watching and make sure to subscribe
He forgot to mention one nice feature that makes Napleon best for small patio. The side shelves fold down when not in use.
Very good point!
So does the Weber’s
I just bought my first bbq 3 days ago, a Weber E-320 GBS Premium for a £650 and I just found out today that the Napoleon ROGUE RXT425SIBPSS-1 exists (not very much advertised in the UK so I didn't even know about the brand). It goes for £791. Ok, its a bit more expensive but other than the sizzling infrared side burner (which is something that the weber doesn't have and looks useful), the Napoleon can be converted to a charcoal BBQ using a tray placed directly over the burners. This is amazing. Such an anti-climax for my new BBQ ... I wish I knew earlier, lol
Christos Panagiotou for the infrared effect....... check out GrillGrates. Made in Ga, USA. Lots of info on YT
sorry to hear that. the Weber is still a fantastic product!
I know the video is a year old, but saying you have to use two hands to ignite the Weber, is just SO misleading 😊 Turn on the gas first, and then use the same hand to push the ignite button afterwards 👍🏻 Keep holding in the gasbutton, while pushing the ignitebutton with the other hand, is simply unnecessary!
Thanks for the tip!
I would probably just use 🙌
I know. Lol. That's what I've always done anyways.
Imagine this guy trying to light a charcoal grill. He’ll need like 7 hands
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I totally regret my purchase of the weber. The quality has gone down so much. The valves for the burners get so hard to turn that it strips the plastic knobs. Now weber has no issues sending new knobs out but it sucks to be always requesting parts.
true, at least they are backing the product
I just bought a Weber Spirit II E-310 yesterday. It is very different than the one you show. they must have done some improvements. the base is still open but no tank skirts at all. It has the cross tube to all three burners for ignition by one igniter, which would allow for self reignition of a blown out burner. also the grease trap is mounted to the bottom of the tub base in a removeable tray. I do admit the Napoleon would look better on my deck.
hmm that is interesting, I haven't seen that!
I have the 5 year old Napoleon Triumph, and just bought the Napoleon 425 SE with sear side burner for the camp. I love my Napoleon. The older one works as well as the day I bought it. After 3 years of grilling during all 4 Canadian seasons, the cast iron grill surface started to crack, something all my BBQs have done over the years, Napoleon quickly and easily replaced them with the stainless steel grills for free. Pluses: The cover is not too deep like many cheaper BBQs. Size matters, the Napoleon's lower profile cover results in less time to heat up (brilliant). Great even heat. Easy to clean. GREAT after sale service. BEST warranty, 15 years, bumper to bumper, are you kidding me?! You can't go wrong buying a Napoleon.
Oh awesome to hear from a Napoleon Customer! Glad they took good care of you and we are happy your grill has lasted so long!! Thanks for watching
I just bought the Weber SE version of the grill reviewed , comes with stainless cooking grated instead of porcelain coated. it does not take 2 hands to light the grill. You turn the knob to the ignite position then hit the ignite button all with the same hand. You can get the Weber with an enclosed cabinet if you want as well. Also the likelihood of wind blowing out your flame is low. Decent review though.
Yeah the SE is nice, but really is out of the price range of the rogue so it wouldn't be apples to apples. We will be comparing that model to the Prestige, stay tuned for that video!
You do not have to light the weber like that. Just turn all three valves open switly and then hit the ignition. Only one hand needed for that really.
true, still two steps though
I got the 2020 Napoleon Rouge 425 SE with the sizzle zone. Best grill I ever had. It’s amazing. Weber is more expensive and offers less value. Both are well built.
That’s great feedback! Thanks for sharing
I just bough the same BBQ, my second Napoleon (one at the cottage), look forward to searing.
I’ve had a Weber genesis, I currently have a Napoleon. The Weber was/is by far a way better bbq for cooking hands down, in my humble opinion
You mind sharing why?
Embers Fireplaces & Outdoor Living in my opinion the build quality of the Weber is superior to the Napoleon. I had the Weber genesis and sold it when I sold my house. The new house I wanted to try the Napoleon prestige. It’s been 5 years since the purchase so maybe Napoleon has changed, but putting it together noticed a difference in quality. The Napoleon felt flimsier. Biggest difference is the Napoleon has no where near the even heat distribution that the Weber had. Very noticeable hot and cold spots on the Napoleon. I do like the infrared seat station on the Napoleon vs the side burner on the Weber though.
I agree with you. Had a Napoleon Prestige 450. The casting around the inside base of the grill cracked and eventually resulted in a piece falling off. Unless something has changed I would be hesitant buying another Napoleon.
@@richardcatania5086 I agree with you. I had a Napoleon Triumph 410 for 2 years. it was flimsy and the firebox was shallow and caused the fat drip tray to catch fire every time i cooked. no matter how much i cleaned it. i just got a Genesis e310 and i LOVE it. deeper box as well.
Nice review since I'm in the market to replace my Weber. One thing I'm curious about is the grease trap on the Napoleon. And curious as to why Weber went away from their burner operation. Used to be they had a gas tube that connected all of the burners for ignition.
This is an older video they might be differnt in the newer ones.
Personally, I'm torn between the "Napoleon ROGUE® XT 425 SIB" and the "Weber Spirit SP-335". It seems that the Napoleon is about a hundred dollars more, but provides 5 years more warranty. The Weber has a gas tank scale, but the Rogue doesn't have anything. The Spirit's shape and burners have proven to spread heat evenly and cook really well. I have yet to find a good review of the Rogue's heat dissipation. I don't like that the Rogue has it's back almost half open to the weather, while the Spirit has just a small opening in the back. I like the Rogue's all black paint, and I worry the Spirit's stainless steel shell will look stained in a year. For another hundred bucks, I can upgrade the Rogue 425 to the 525 which would provide a 4th burner and a bigger surface. But the Spirit SP caps out at 3 burners unless you want to jump to the Genesis, and the Genesis is more expensive and doesn't heat up as fast.
We did a toast test which is where you place bread across all the cooking area, and turn the burners on. Both grills performed marvelous with very even cooking. Personally I Would take the better warranty and more cooking real estate. WE stock both if you need them! Also please subscribe to our channel!
Hey Gi Al,
I'm in the same position. I'm torn between the two. Being in the UK, it will spend a large amount of time under a cover, so I'm thinking the Napoleon so I can fold the shelves down and we get a lot more wind - so the connecting burners helps too.
But the Spirit Premium 335 seems like the superior grill especially with the Searing Station?! I will be doing mainly steaks through the year.
Would you mind saying which you went with in the end and whether you were happy with it?
Thanks Embers for the videos. Really helpful.
Cheers
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@@adammc2247, Hi Adam, it took me six months to finally buy a grill. I think the covid shutdown caused me to pause on large purchases for a bit. But anyways, I got the Napoleon Rogue XT SIB 525. The 15 year bumper to bumper warranty that Napoleon offers just out does the weber's 1 year starter warranty, 5 year burner warranty, and 10 year frame warranty. But also, the Rogue XT offers a Side Infrared Burner that is awesome! The Infrared feature makes that burner from 700 degrees F to 1800 degrees F! Its almost dangerous. haha. But its so good for searing a steak so its juicy and for rapidly getting water to boil or steam some vegetables. Just have to keep it on the lowest setting or else it will burn stuff. But thats just on the side of the grill, so I love that it doesn't take up the grilling real estate. The jet starters on each burner knob is amazing. Also, I grill on a poorly lit deck, and I got this LED lamp made by Napoleon for Rogue, and it is truly amazing. The LED lamp is very similar to the Weber LED lamps, but when I bought the Weber LED lamps for an old genesis years ago, the water immediately destroyed the lamps. So far, the Napoleon LED lamp has held up well. Also, the Napoleon LED lamp really lights things up so much better. I paid $899 for the Rogue XT SIB 525, but $60 for the cover; $15 for the condiment tray add-on; $20 for the LED lamp; and $60 for taxes. Also, I bought it in a box. So I had to assemble it myself. I did it with just a single phillips head screw driver, but it took me about 2.5 hours. I dont like that the cabinet is open in the back of the grill. I dont like that the Side Infrared burner uses an battery electric starter while the rest of the main burners use a great mechanical jet starter. I wish they did away with the battery there. The grates are a little wide for my liking; but the sear marks are cool and wavy. The iron grates are really really beefy. My old Weber spirit had weak iron grates in comparison. These Napoleon grates will last a very long time, i can tell already. I have a bit of an issue with the way the magnet latch on the front doors are attached to the drip pan.... it causes the drip pan to be yanked a little every time I open the doors, which causes the drip pan to make a clang sound. I might try to put some sort of padding under the drip pan so that it won't bang against the grill everytime I open the doors. Oh, and I went with the ALL BLACK version of the rogue, which saved me $100 and also, it looks amazing. Its jet black with grey accents. The black washes easily and doesn't scratch like the stainless steel used to on my weber. It just feels really solid.
Oh, also realize, that the Side Burner takes up a shelf, so while the shelf can still be lowered, you would have to disconnect the burner each time, otherwise you risk essentially bending the propane line at a 90 degree angle and breaking it. So with the SIB connected, you really only have one shelf that can be lowered quickly and easily.
So it all boils down to aesthetics... then ease of use and performance.
The Napolean not only looks much better but performs better.
Thanks for making our decision easier. Great vid!
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Just what I needed to hear, Napoleon is the one!
thanks for the feedback
Im still between Weber and Napoleon. Napoleon warranty is just superb. Weber has market history while the Rogue's are still new compared to Weber's history, not much on the Rogue's long term performance. Several Weber owners with enclosed Webers are reporting serious rust on the base of their enclosed webers. This portion is only has a 2 year warranty with Weber. From reviews seems like the both perform well....but long term I think Napoleon wins because of warranty.
We just released a bunch of new videos, weber Vs Napoleon , check those out if you're interested. Thanks for watching!
Great video, very informative. I didn't even know what to consider and you really provided the education I need to make a decision.
Thank you, glad we could help. Thanks for watching!
Had a genesis 310 for 12 years. Grill is still great but the bottom pan, frame and wheel assemblies just rusted to nothing. I switched to Napoleon 525. Much less expensive than a new weber and bigger grilling area. We'll see how it goes.
Thanks for sharing
How did it go?
My weber is 29 years old and I am going to say goodbye to it. At the time it was top of the line grill, I have been happy with it.
thanks for the feedback
Thanks!! been looking at Napoleon here in the UK and they seem to have fantastic quality products. The ignition demo was great@!
Thanks! Shoot us a message with any questions we can answer!
Embers Fireplaces & Outdoor Living ; Can we retrofit an LED knob set onto the Rogue somehow? They seem to offer some kits for other grill models
Love this video, thank you for the comparison. I was looking into getting a new grill and was leaning towards a Weber. This was an eye opening video but my only concern is that the grill i am replacing is a Napoleon Prestige II 450 that is still in great shape, i just HATE it. Don't get me wrong, it's still in great shape despite being outdoors all year long in New York's crazy weather. I was inspired to buy it after watching License to Grill, a Canadian grilling show, he used a Napoleon and loved it, so I ordered one, no dealers anywhere near NY at the time and it cost me almost $1000 with shipping. What I hate is the uneven heat from day one. Back right corner hot as hell, middle back somewhat hot, left back corner less hot, rest of grill sucks and the front, might add well be a warming rack. It has soured my opinion of Napoleon grills. I prefer to use my $200 Coleman tailgating grill because the heat is more even. So my question is this, are these new Napoleons better than the older ones or am I just in for another disappointment. Mind you I am not a serious griller, I grill a few times a month dieing the warmer months
Yes I think they have improved a lot over the years. In the 12 years I have been selling them. They went from “what’s a Napoleon?”. To people coming in asking for them. And that certainly has something to do with the quality for sure. I’d take a look at the prestige 500. That being said some of the upgraded Weber’s are also great. I’m just not a fan of the Weber in the video.
@@embersliving thank you for the reply but that's way out of my price range for now.
I am selling my top of the line Napoleon prestige. The new burner ignition system is faulty. Buy a Weber!
Also, doesn’t matter about one or two hands lighting the grill, no one puts food on the grill until it heats up. I do like the wind thing, but usually not cooking in wind like that anyhow.
nice
Great review as I am looking at grills right now and it seems the Napoleon is the winner. Napoleon looks a lot better and the ignition is without a doubt much better for the user. Thank you!!
If you have any questions, let us know :)
agreed
Great review, you convinced me - Napoleon
Glad to hear it!
Just bought the E315 because I like the pedestal as I have no place close to my BBQ to store BBQ tools. Plus it looks better and being the natural gas version it doesn't have the exposed tank problem. Replacing a 17 year old Vermont Castings which I loved, but the steel bottom rotted away where the burners mount. And the grease seeping out from the seams was annoying. Can't wait to put this thing together!
Oh and I also didn't think about the dogs getting into the grease tray. That is actually a very good point. I'm sure it would also attract the damned raccoons and other critters as well.
glad it was helpful
Great review, i'm fr.o.m. Sweden and just bought Napoleon Rough 525 .Very satisfied with My Napoleon, seams to be the fight choice.
Oh great!! Glad we could help all the way from the US!! Glad you love your product! Thanks for watching
You only need one hand to light the Weber you don't have to hold the knob down for ignition
true but still two steps. Still inferior to me
Today looked at the Genesis ll E335, $1049 in stainless at Home Depot Then found the Napoleon Rouge xb525 4 burners with the side shelf sear burner for $849 at my nearby Coastal .. Going with the Napoleon after seeing your vid...
thanks for the feedback
Can I put a flat top griddle on the Napoleon Rogue gas grill. Thank you great video..
Yes, and Napoleon has their own brand of add ons like a pizza griddle
Yes you can! Thanks for watching
Had the Napolean Lex 485 RSIB....cheaper than the “equivalent” Weber with a longer warranty, more features and a higher BTU.....it’s a no brainer. After four years the customer service whenever I need anything is nothing short of spectacular. The grill after fours years of 10 months a year at about 4-6 meals a week on it....performs like the day I bought. Will never buy anything else.
great feedback
Kind of odd to say Napoleon customer service was spectacular after four years. I had to leave a Weber Genesis natural gas at the home I just sold. I have no clue how good Weber customer service is b/c in the 15 years I had the grill I never had to call them.
I have always like and bought Weber, but I am definitely impress with the ignition system of the Napoleon.
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I like both of these grill about equally. I have the Weber E-335 but often recommend the Napoleon Rogue to friends who are looking for a quality grill. However you comparing the Napoleon Rogue to the Weber E-310 is a poor comparison. It should have been the Weber E-335.
If you want to start all of the burners at once turn them all on and hit the igniter. All one handed if you insist.
The Weber E-335 has at least 40% more storage room than the Napoleon Rogue. That's the reason for the tanks external mounts. Plus it has a built in scale.
I am really surprised that someone who sells the Weber grills doesn't seem to know much about them.
WTF Why didn't you compare the 4 burner Napoleon with the enclosed cabinet to the 4 burner Genesis with the enclosed cabinet and sear station? Cause the Weber would have smoked it. Useless biased comparison.
these two are the two closest for apples to apples
Weber can be lucky it didn’t go up against legend/lex, with rear and side infrared burners. Weber has parts of that in their top models but then it is not comparable in price. I vote for Napoleon, and I welcome this competition, it is healthy for driving up the performance and quality.
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I have the genesis 2019 model and it has an extra burner at the back that connects all 3 in case one of them is out to start again.
Theofanis Skoulatos oh really? That’s cool
I don't think so, only the spirit has the connecting flame design
@@Sheisintomalakasdino mine is genesis II e-310 (2019 model) and it has that. I can send you photos if you want.
The Napoleon is more well thought out but one thing that you can't tell is that the Weber is much heavier and more well built and the actual cooking chest is much more well insulated on the Weber so it cooks more like an oven. If you spend less then 1500 on a BBQ Weber is much better but after that the Napoleon's are the clear winner. I have a Napoleon prestige and Weber has nothing to compare to it. My wife even demoed the cover on my seer station and Napoleon sent me a replacement no questions asked. They support their product extremely well.
I don’t agree I have a $2600 Weber had it for ten years still like new, everybody says I’m a great cook but it’s the bbq, I can’t see ever buying another bbq.
Fair enough. I know alot of people that have the new Webers and they all see my prestige 665 and they all say they say the same thing. The Napoleon's much nicer. As far as it's the BBQ making your food good I can't agree with that. I'm the local grill guy for everyone and I can make the best food on anything. If your food is good it's cause of you not the grill my friend.
and the quality of food I have found, if you have a good meat source!
I have one of the older Weber E-310s that had the crossfire ignition. It's sad to see that Weber has severely cut corners with the burner design, the ignition system, and the open cabinet. I definitely would not buy the newer version and opt for the Napoleon instead.
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I just bought a Weber gen 310, I’m a big Weber fan but let’s face it napoleon is the better grill between the two in this comparison. Only reason I bought the last Weber was a discount I got at my hardware store for $600 Canadian
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I bought the Rogue XT with infrared side burner last year. Kicks ass, looks great. Bought some Grill Grates. Still an experiment but getting good eats all the same.
Was up in the air between Napoleon and Weber, think I made the right choice.
Oh awesome choice!! The infrared side burner really changes the game of cooking! I agree, you made the right choice especially with the side burner. Thanks for watching
Which one would you go for natural gas : Napoleon Rogue xt 425 or Weber genesis ii E-330?
Napoleon all day
FYI you can get a Weber genesis with an enclosed base like the Napoleon. You’re not comparing apples to apples between the two models shown here.
Understood. We are comparing apples to apples based on price. These are the two models closest in price
@@embersliving 👍
you dont have to use both hands. I have I weber. you can placed all of them on the light setting and they will all light up at the same time. Why is your dog drink greasy?
I don’t know? I’m guess the odor
4 igniters to maintain on the Napoleon is more complex. Simple is good. I like one igniter.
Great point!
One point of failure is not a good engineering design.
I'm sold. I was going to buy a Weber, but switched and bought a Napolean today.
Awesome!
Again, the Weber is available with an enclosed cabinet. Also available with a fourth burner for searing. Having to use two hands to light the burners would be a safety feature to anyone with small children. Poor comparison of models, seems you are predisposed to the Napoleon.
no not at all. The weber does offer those features. But when you go up to that model. The prices are so far different that it is no longer comparable with the Napoleon rouge, but rather the Napoleon prestige at that point. And once your there its not a fair fight either
I know you can get a reversible griddle for the Napoleon, but can you get one for the webber? I want one where you can remove the grill rack and replace a section with griddle like the Napoleon. Do Weber do this for the Genesis II?
im not sure on the weber
Eh, cook something. Mostly subjective. Looking for a new grill and this didn't help. Dont know anyone that lights a grill open but maybe I am doing it wrong. Are you going to tell me that you go out to light the grill with your hands full? Really? If I were you I would try this comparison again. 4 burners versus three would be good to see the bread test not to mention if the 4 burner consumes more fuel. i know I am being picky but I have more questions now than before the video. I do thank you for posting it and gave a thumbs up for your efforts.
well its a 3 burner and 4 but the cooking area is the same that's why we did it that way. I suppose with the extra burner you are going to use more fuel, but it did heat up quicker and got to temp.
I agree that the open style of the WEBER is not good, had not thought about the dog but that would be bad. Excellent review. Sadly I cant pop over as I live 4000 miles away.
Awe man! Only if you were closer! Don't worry we do have an online store!
Power coated tends to peel or rust over time, so in my opinion the stainless sides on Weber are nicer, plus the sides look roomier, bigger.
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Powder coating scratches also. It's a wash there. But stainless is better for outdoors IMO
I just turn my Weber knobs to high and hit the button. Fires right up with one hand,
Nice!
The new Weber Genesis seems cheaper in every way except price - My 12 year old Genesis is still going. and seems so much of a better. Weber used to be made in the US - now made in china and hence the difference in quality. When it time for a new grill I wont be getting another Weber. Looks like Napoleon give you more for less.
I called Weber about the Genesis 2 and they told me the Genesis is made in Illinois and the customer service rep laughed when I told her I was checking to confirm they were made in USA and said of course they are. Some sites say they are made in China but other sites say the Genesis 2 is actually made in the USA, so I will do a little more digging. In saying that, Napoleon grills are made in Barrie Ontario and they source local Canadian steel and are Canadian made and very good quality. We still haven't decided which brand to buy though. Costco has the best return policy so even if the manufacturer doesn't cover an issue, Costco always takes returns even years later so buy Costco and if your not happy return it and try the other one :)
keep your old one , the new ones aren't built the same.
@@niner8259 china makes great quality, it all depends to the demands to the customer. the customer (weber) decides what materials are used and the quality assurance. it's US firms giving low build specs and quality to chinese manufacturers. you act like the chinese manufacturer decides these things. it's the greedy US firm that wants to cheaper builds to make more money. apple has all their phone made in china and the quality is high, same for xbox, and even japanese firms have stuff built in china.
thanks for the feedback
thanks for the feedback
There is a version of the Weber which is closed. And the space won’t be occupied by the tank.
yes true,
A downfall to all the burners being connected as one and not independent is, if one breaks, they all have to be replaced since one instead of separately like the Weber. So I’m sure it’s cheaper in the long run.
good to know
Why are you comparing apples to apples? Weber makes a four burner grill with an enclosed cabinet.
P Jennings we did compare apples to apples from a price standpoint. The Weber 3 burner is the closest in size to the rogue and when you go to the 4 burner Weber with doors. It’s not even on the same ball park as far as price goes to the Napoleon. These two that we did are closest in size and price
If that were the case you would be comparing to the Weber E-330 with the integrated sear station.
Both models are identically priced at Lowe’s.com
I noticed during the demonstration he says you have to use two hands to ignite the Weber. This is totally not the case. You can turn the knob with one hand then use that same hand to press the igniter button. Sure it may not be as easy as the Napoleon but I believe he was making it seem unnecessarily difficult. I have nothing to do with the Weber corporation. I just like to watch fair comparisons.
Great reviews. I know you really like the 335, which would you pick between it and the rogue?
that is a good question. I still like the rogue, better warranty for sure!
Totally agree that Nepoleon pedestal has cleaner look and burners seem more simplistic. My old Weber had enclosed pedestal (9 years old). Would have stayed with Weber but open pedestal convince me to purchase Ne[pleon in near future.
its hard to go wrong!
Thanks perfect review. Love there both North A. Made think ill grab a napoleon like reignite feature makes this a better walk away type grill.
agreed!
Napoleon's Rogue series is made in China, only the Prestige series is made in Canada. IMO, this doesn't matter, Napoleon parts are first class, and is a better BBQ than Weber.
Both are made in Asia
Went to replace my 3rd Char-Broil because the grill surface was not large enough to smoke a full Brisket ( I do not need anyone telling me I need a Smoker) my daughter saw a Napoleon RXT626SIB and pulled me over to see it. The Napoleon was made much better than the Char-Broil that I was looking at. I have a brisket on now and it is much easier to control the temperature and use the smoke box. Will see how it performs down the road. Those Weber users that are badmouthing about how to start the grill have OLD grills that can not be compared to a new one.
good point. Keep us posted on how the brisket turned out!
I have decided on a weber until I saw this video. I would love to have the Napoleon but nobody has it. They’re all sold out. I had a dealer tell me that Napoleon was experiencing some major supply chain issues.
yeah no more orders for 2021
Between the Weber Genesis E-335 and the Napoleon Rogue XT 425/525, which wins out in terms of value?
Rogue all day in my opinion
Why cant you just turn all three dials on the weber and then hit the igniter once? I can do that with one hand
true, still two steps though, just illustrating the difference
Weber better quality ... also if one of burners turns off due to wind and gas is on ... burner will start up again when gas reaches next burner
well not on this model
Mahalo from Oahu, I so appreciate your detailed breakdown and totally shocked me because I was 99.5 I was buying the Weber; however, the half-view of their tank, WTH, the two handed ignition challenge and re-igniting if those pacific trade winds come thru...safety issue there propane gas still spewing out...whoa...Mahalo Uso....I’ll be watching you and I’m pressing the subscription button as well....Stay Covered
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thank you for watching!
Yea, the black rogue xt SIB 425 and 525 are selling like hot cakes. Curiously, there are a few features in the Rogue xt, that the Nap Prestige doesn’t even have, yet the Prestige costs $300-400 more.
My E320 has dual ports and crossover ignition, but it is like 15 years old. But I do think Weber is cutting corners now.
thanks for the feedback
I am curious about how available replacement parts are for the Napoleon? I always see parts readily available for Weber at my local store.
They are good as well. They ship right to your house if you need anything
Question.....Do you know if there is a grill cover that will fit the Rogue 525 with the sides down? I would love to store it with them down so it takes up less space....but the only covers I can find are the large ones that cover the extended sides. I checked the overall dimensions, but so far I haven't run across anything that seems like it will fit. Any suggestions? I just got my grill today, and I am literally storing it in the living room until I can find a cover. LOL Thanks so much!
so sorry for the delay. I dont believe there is a smaller cover available. Only thing I can think of is try to find a 3rd party one on amazon
@@embersliving Thanks so much for the info. I will check Amazon to see if I can find somethign that will work....otherwise, I may just get the one that is made for the 525 and try to modify it somehow. Thanks again!
Talk is cheap. All the presenter did is pretty much discussing differences of mostly cosmetics and layout/design between each grill. It is like comparing competing car brand's features on discussing on white wall tires and the look of more "chrome", well in this presenter's case: the amount of porcelain finish versus bare metal. Who cares? There is a saying: "Chrome won't get you home."
Need an actual performance test. How evenly and quickly does it come up to temperature? How well does it sear/char a steak quickly? Is there hot/cold spots on any parts of the grill? Grilling burgers, nothing more annoying than burgers that over/undercooked that are being cooked at the same time. The two above examples of steaks and burgers being grilled should be the standard in performance tests for any grill to do it's duty as it is meant to be. Actual flavor test? Does it impart the characteristic taste and smell of food that is "grilled" flavor? If not, then what is the point of having the grill in the first place? Smoking meats should also be considered but as a "plus or secondary" option. Like actual temperature reading during a long smoke, for instance: pulled pork.
Grill marks! Yes, some people do care about grill marks. Accessories/additional features: Rotisserie option? Wood chip fire box access and placement? Grease and debris placement/access. Ease of mobility: balanced lid weight (some avid grillers are getting older or may have shoulder problems and also many are female, they will appreciate the design of a lighter lid and overall weight of the grill itself. Also, how well do the wheels are performing across a wide variety of wooden/stone deck or pavement or pool surfaces? Cleanliness? Does it leak grease or how does it handle ash without dirtying up the grilling area such as the ground or on expensive decks?
Also ease of cleaning and replacements parts availability. Warranty and after sales service?
All of these should be questions that anyone considering purchasing a grill should ask in the first place.
barfman7767 thanks for the feedback. One test we did perform but didn’t include in the video. Was a toast test. We fill both grills with bread and fire it up, and wait and see where the hotspots are. The grills performed so identical with no hotspots. That it was a little redundant to put in the video
Why did weber go away from the pedestal look? The push cart looks cheap eventhough they're not.
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I've had a Napolean now for 5 years, although not this exact model. Mine has the side sear grate. You cannot trust it. Almost every time it will flare up and blacken your food. When grilling burgers, no problem, but I do not want to stand out there rooted to one spot while my ribs are supposed to be cooking. I use grill grates and even then the left side will still flare up and burn your food. Low setting is to low for most food, and the mid level will STILL burn off. I bought this one because at the time Weber was still running burners lengthwise and you could not go indirect, it had good review, yada, yada.
I would like to crap can my napolean and start over with the new redesigned the correct way Weber, but it is tuff to walk away from a 1200 dollar grill. I would never hear the end of it from the blonde.
I have been grilling and smoking meat and veggies for many years. It's not the worst grill ever, but I would NEVER buy another one again
thanks for the feedback
It is very dangerous to keep gas tank inside the grill. Weber got this right.
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The enclosed box is vented. It is not actually sealed tight. So the propane actually escapes. I was picking between both and like most people say the weber seemed better built, but the rogue was a much better oven. I ended getting a prestige, which I think is a better investment than all this. Its got the construction of weber (superior in fact to the weber), and the functionality is just so much better youd need to pay almost twice what the prestige series cost to get a comparable unit from weber.
Am I missing something here? Why not compare Webers Genesis 315 that has a cabinet or Webers 4 burner version so you are comparing apples and apples? This was a biased review in my humble opinion. I think the grills compete very closely even if you were to compare apples to apples but you definitely did not do Weber any justice in this review. Now....just to show you I am not a Weber fan boy.....I did like the double row of holes in the burners and that the cross over burner was completely protected in the Napoleon. The new Weber burners are very stout these days and they remove quite easily with no tools so that is a big plus. Cleaning curvy grates has to be a pain compared to cleaning straight cooking grates lets be honest here. As far as the ignition system goes...Weber Summits have the " one hand " ignition and I have restored a couple of them....they are more intricate to replace and there are more moving parts.....Webers Genesis ignition system is simple and inexpensive to replace. I should do a video :) .....if you guys have a Weber rep he or she isnt gunna be happy when they see this comparison.
Napoleon all day.
I just came back from Lowe's. I didn't get past the sturdiness of the Weber's lid, compared to the Napoleon's. I immediately ruled Napoleon out.
Fair enough! Glad you slimmed down your options!
Why does handle get too hot to touch if I leave lid open one inch. My old Napoleon had dft handle- never got hot
hmm thats hard to say
On my E310 the burners are linked....
hmm that's cool
Thanks for the review! I'm wondering your thoughts specifically on these models head-to-head, as they're about the same price right now:
Genesis II SE-335 vs. Rogue XT 425 SIB stainless steel (both $1k)
Genesis II E-325/330/335 ($850/900/950) vs. Rogue XT 425 SIB black ($900)
or is it stupid to pay this much more and instead just get the open cart and smaller Spirit II E-310 for half the price...!
Is it really worth shelling out more money for a side burner?
(I'm looking for a natural gas hookup; otherwise, the Spirit SP-335 would also be in contention).
Appreciate your time and thoughts! Great videos.
I think so, and the reason is, these grills will last so long that you might as well get the upgrades now
@@embersliving thanks for the reply. I'm now waiting for my xt-425 to arrive and second-guessing whether it'll be too small! It's hard to be this neurotic.
Also the Weber genesis does offer a closed pedestal
Yes it does. That model is much better, which we also review. Make sure to check it out
Very helpful.
thanks!
The "leading consumer magazine" came to a different conclusion. Weber scored significantly higher in "sturdiness".
Yes it did!
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One hand? That’s really a complaint?
you asked for a review
You totally missed the removable grease tray on the Napoleon !
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