I want to talk about Freeman liberty, when I watch him play I’m blown away, it has me wondering why he’s not in the NBA, I try to find weaknesses in his game, is he to short? No he’s 6”4 and his wingspan is longer than Zach, Lavine’s, Jimmy Butler,is he athletic? Yes he can jump out the gym, the only players I can compare him to is stars in the league because of all the ways he can score, so my personal opinion is he needs a full contract with the bulls
PWill has got to know that it's his time to shine and be the player we think he can be! I'm liking Philips so far and Freeman-Liberty, hope we sign Liberty or someone else will! #seered
I agree, I feel as if Pat should come off the bench alongside Drum and White. They all have a pretty good chemistry especially them NC boys. Those 2 connect real well and plays exceptionally well when paired. Now, add in a guy like Phillips where you can initially slide Pat to the 3 position and drum at the 5 with Russo and Coby man that's gonna be I'll cause Coby plays damn good defense... Shout out to Coby for the Improvement, Phillips plays defense, Russo and drum that should be enough to keep us in games while then starters rest a bit
We low-key got better defensively. The key to this team on offense is they have to run it thru Vooch. Silly Billy is the only coach that run a 4 guard line up n don't play thru a very skilled offensive center. Its all on Silly Billy rotations
P.Will to me at the 4 is risky depending on who Bulls are playing bc he’s not aggressive enough therefore on defensive end you still have no rim protection or great rebounding bc of Vucevic limitations w/ defense. Bulls definitely need a solid PF to pick up the slack on Defense
Lavine, Demar and Vuc cant shoot around 50-60 shots a game if P Will is gonna be unlocked. If Lavine, Demar and Vuc are okay with sharing the ball and playing more team friendly ball then P WIll could be unlocked(More less on Vuc bc he already does play more team friendly ball)
DeMar, Zach and Vuch are the three best players on this team! People seems to not understand how basketball is played! They are going to be taken the highest number of shots because they are the most consistent and productive players! In basketball role players have to do other things to help the team win by playing defense, rebounding, making plays and hitting open shots! P Will and the other players will get opportunities because some teams will start to double team DeMar and Zack to force the role players to make plays and shot's!
@@blacprophet1153 what I’m saying bulls big 3 more like the 2 play more of a 1 on 1 play style instead of a team play like spurs, gsw and Boston who play a very friendly team ball
P Will has shown improvment last season. Least amount of points allowed, 40%+ 3pt shooting, aggressivness was much better, again, people overreact on P Will because their expectations are high on him and they want P Will to have 20 points a game, but that isn't realistic with the big 3... P Will is gonna be a starter for sure. He's better than Craig already.
Patrick williams is the bulls future a young stud in the making/( he can make a difference for the bulls if they utilize him in the right way)( make him play😢*
If Patrick Williams becomes the most selfish player on the floor every night, then what? If Patrick Williams is on some "F**k yall, I'm getting mine" every night, then what? Billy Donovan has gotta learn how to utilize Patrick Williams the right way to unleash the dawg in Patrick Williams. Until Billy Donovan makes more plays for Patrick Williams it is what tf it is. Billy Donovan has gotta prioritize Patrick Williams a lot more if he wants Pat to stop being Passive P. Other players season average will have to go down & Patrick Williams season average has to go up. If the Bulls need Patrick Williams to take a leap this season then they gotta use him the right way. It's as simple as that.
@blacprophet1153 We haven't seen what Patrick Williams is good enough to do yet because Billy Donovan has failed to use Patrick Williams properly at all.
@@wyntonmohorn Maybe you don't watch the NBA alot? Maybe you have never played organized ball! Billy is not the reason why P Will has been average! The only individual that can hurt/stop P Will progress is him! So no matter if he is starting or coming off the bench you still see the same lethargic, passive play from P Will! See I don't just look at the game as a fan point of view! I look at it more fro a X's and O's point of view concerning strategy, will power, and skill set to overcome your opponent!
@blacprophet1153 Patrick Williams could come into next season better than ever & ready to ball out in every game. But if Billy Donovan continues to fail to utilize Pat the right way, how in tf is that supposed to help the Bulls win more games? Say whatever you want. But if the Head Coach doesn't know how to get the best outta his players, then he needs to GTFOH.
Look I would like to know last year you got on Kofi about only being only down low player without a jump shot but now Sanago is cool for the team?? A die hard bull's fan.
Look. I got on Kofi for being a player with no post skills, footwork and anything outside of just being big. Adama Sanogo is miles ahead in all those areas on top of being able to shoot. His release is just slow.
Pwill obviously be trying to figure out his place on offense ..Zach and derozan shooting out of double teams half the game …I blame the vets for not getting him right ..billy for not running plays for him let his iso post up..when pat bev got there he was ballin because pat is a good floor leader
Haize, ngl. I don’t see P-Will starting. He was better of the bench and Torrey Craig is a vet who defends. And that’s exactly what you need around Lavine, DeRozan, and Vooch.
He should be starting at 3.. If he is starting, secure him as a flex wing.. him in the front court leaves him vulnerable & does not maximize his tools. Just because he can doesn't mean he should.
Yeah, Bulls definetly keeping quiet on Bitim, probably waiting for the DPE result to come out and also waiting to see what they got of value during summer league. But Bitim coming, he too good, way better than Kelly Oubre or other options left at the 3 (only spot we missing).
P Will should start but I prefer SF but he definitely can play PF because of his strength let Torrey come of the bench as a spark Dalen has too improve his shooting we keep using he young the world dont care about your age he in the NBA now i say by next season not this season but after next season 2025 he better have some type of consistent shot you have too be able too shoot there are rookies shooting better than Dalen in summer league no excuses work ethic NBA is a grown man game Javon Freeman Liberty was undrafted he playing better than Dalen so
Yo Haize I think he will be the starting PF because of the expectation and the growth this off-season pretty much like every season he starts and loses it to a backup but that definitely better not be the case this season especially if he wants that bag next off season
After setting extremely low expectations of what free agency was gonna look like, I totally thought jamychal green was gonna be a “key” signing for the bulls lol
Lmaoo u must be in that Reddit haize😂😂 I swear that place and realgm is the weirdest rabbit hole of bulls fans. On one hand they will say dalen sucks and is a bust but then on the other hand leave out him feeling the stat sheet meaningfully and not just filling it by being invisible. The misses might be slightly worrying but we ain’t looking to make him the next lavine and take tons of shots. But we do need him to be able to consistently hit the open spot ups. But other than that his presence is felt with how he’s playing defense and his crisp passes so overall I’d say he’s doing ok for a 2nd year guy who didn’t really play much which I think people downplay even though they cry for every random scrub g league guy to get a chance to play but down talk our draft picks that didn’t play much either because injury or roster construction
@@blacprophet1153 ummm well since the discussion is about current play this will be about the summer league. If you were watching I think what I said was pretty obvious and not at all confusing. Or are you not watching the games and just having a over reaction to my comment?
@@flockaveli15 Seeing that he is okay for a 2nd year guy who didn't play that much! That is an indictment on Terry's lack of growth as a ball player! Aka: He also has not shown much improvement!
@@blacprophet1153 I mean I don’t disagree and I don’t think anyone is pushing any narrative that he’s a great gem that simply is held back by billy not playing him. Still doesn’t mean he’s a bust or that there isn’t reason to have optimism for his development. ESPECIALLY when you add the context of yes this being his second year. Mind you jimmy also rode bench until guys got injured. I say that to say playing or not playing is not a one for one indictment of your skills or ability to play. I’m just saying at 21 I’m definitely not counting him out before he starts his second year.
@@flockaveli15 So now Terry is Jimmy 2.0! People need to stop comparing people to Jimmy! There will never be another Jimmy Butler! He was also starting in the playoffs against LBJ in his 1st playoffs series! Terry is no where near as good as JImmy Butler and people need to stop comparing marginal players to NBA stars as if they are going to be on gat level!
How can the kid shine offensively when hes being task to be the defensive anchor at the same time Im not sure what are you supposed to find more from PWill hes not a superstar, hes not being paid to be a superstar, you should ask Vuc Demar Lavine to pull their shit up offensively they suck big time when they are needed, the defense is not the problem its the scoring which is inconsistent specially when its needed. If only BDonovan play Drummond more to protect the rim and split Demar and Lavine during quarters or just trade 1 of them for a legit 2 way star
Tory is just older PWill is the best option in my opinion but Billy is the coach and anything can happen with his starting 5 all joking aside you really think that they are close defensively? I’m not seeing that PWill hands down
Bulls pulled him from Summer League after he twisted his ankle. Nothing serious they just don't want to risk anything before the G-League season starts.
@@metsrus WTF are you talking about? Jay Williams was the best college point guard ever other than Pistol Pete! That was a great pick! That was a dumbass comparison you made. Don’t ever say no shit like that again! I’d give Pat Williams away for a bag of Cheetos 💯
How he was ballin when Pat bev got there. He should be over the bulls lack of ball movement Debo and Zach shooting out of double teams half of the game. Need a floor leader
@ChiBullsCentral How's that playing out for him and the bulls? You know damn well we need a true PF. We are getting bullied out there. Also our development team is completely trash. Every player that leaves the bulls flourish after leaving the team. We have complete and absolute zero identity. I love my Chicago bulls. The frustration is real!!!!
There are a large number of teams playing PF's at center and playing smaller players at the PF position! If you look at the NBA almost all the teams want to be able to switch at every position! So in that sense P Will should be able to play PF! P Will just does not the motor, consistency, toughness and that dog in him to be good, great or dominant! P Will is starting for the bulls so this improvement is on P Will not anyone else! The only person that can hold P Wil back is P Will!
@ChiBullsCentral That's impressive if true. PWill still needs a breakout season. Its now or never. I'm sorry bro being a Chicago fan is tough. We have the cheapest owners in sports all around. Let's hope for a special season 🙏🏻
Well, the number of games can be a sign that a player is actually bust. i would quest about DeRozen starting spot! Last year real problem was so called big 3 unfit. Pat is not a problem. Why are we hide away from real problem(s)? Coby-Zach-Pat-Graig-Vooch or Carter-Coby-Zach-Pat-Vooch would be more balanced lineup. So, if Bulls start again slow, i would like to assume Donovan will aadress real problem! I would even say- Zach is bigger problem than Pat.
If Coby is the starting PG they aint serious. We saw that experiment and it was a total disaster... Keep CW at 2 where he is very comfortable and can deliver
How is Zack a bigger problem! People make statements that have no logic of reason concerning them! Zack was recovering from an injury but how is he the biggest problem!
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I want to talk about Freeman liberty, when I watch him play I’m blown away, it has me wondering why he’s not in the NBA, I try to find weaknesses in his game, is he to short? No he’s 6”4 and his wingspan is longer than Zach, Lavine’s, Jimmy Butler,is he athletic? Yes he can jump out the gym, the only players I can compare him to is stars in the league because of all the ways he can score, so my personal opinion is he needs a full contract with the bulls
PWill has got to know that it's his time to shine and be the player we think he can be! I'm liking Philips so far and Freeman-Liberty, hope we sign Liberty or someone else will! #seered
Love that rugrats shirt!!
Thanks for the update on bitim man, little itchy for some AK magic and hope he mines a diamond in the rough just like he did jokic.
I like Nate Darling or JFL. Wouldn't mind signing those guys
If you haven't hit da like button..... whatcha waiting for? We got Julian Phillips in 5hrs so stuff ya pipes and start tailgating 💪
Fun Fact Silly Billy ran a 2 center line up n won a national championship in college.
Starters: Jevon, Zach, demar, Craig, vuc Bench: coby, Caruso, Dalen, paw, drum
I think the real question is whos gonna start at the point guard position? Coby or Javon?
Carter most likely
Coby is a trainwrck at PG.. He is a SG. Javon would be better but he too is unproven in the starting role
I believe they want Jalen to learn that position. He's going to work with the.shooting coach. Hopefully he'll get some time on the floor. Go Bulls!
The biggest question is, what has he done to prove that he should be the starting pf?
I agree, I feel as if Pat should come off the bench alongside Drum and White. They all have a pretty good chemistry especially them NC boys. Those 2 connect real well and plays exceptionally well when paired. Now, add in a guy like Phillips where you can initially slide Pat to the 3 position and drum at the 5 with Russo and Coby man that's gonna be I'll cause Coby plays damn good defense... Shout out to Coby for the Improvement, Phillips plays defense, Russo and drum that should be enough to keep us in games while then starters rest a bit
We low-key got better defensively. The key to this team on offense is they have to run it thru Vooch. Silly Billy is the only coach that run a 4 guard line up n don't play thru a very skilled offensive center. Its all on Silly Billy rotations
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Not gonna lie, I like when he plays on the second unit along with Coby.
Start both of them
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P.Will to me at the 4 is risky depending on who Bulls are playing bc he’s not aggressive enough therefore on defensive end you still have no rim protection or great rebounding bc of Vucevic limitations w/ defense. Bulls definitely need a solid PF to pick up the slack on Defense
Lavine, Demar and Vuc cant shoot around 50-60 shots a game if P Will is gonna be unlocked. If Lavine, Demar and Vuc are okay with sharing the ball and playing more team friendly ball then P WIll could be unlocked(More less on Vuc bc he already does play more team friendly ball)
DeMar, Zach and Vuch are the three best players on this team! People seems to not understand how basketball is played! They are going to be taken the highest number of shots because they are the most consistent and productive players! In basketball role players have to do other things to help the team win by playing defense, rebounding, making plays and hitting open shots! P Will and the other players will get opportunities because some teams will start to double team DeMar and Zack to force the role players to make plays and shot's!
@@blacprophet1153 what I’m saying bulls big 3 more like the 2 play more of a 1 on 1 play style instead of a team play like spurs, gsw and Boston who play a very friendly team ball
@@Joker-jz9cn Tatum & Brown Literally play a your turn, my turn typa basketball so u really can’t use them as an example of team friendly ball
@@JooseLeroyTatum and Brown play way more team friendly than lavine and Demar. Tatum and brown actually pass the ball when they see guys open
P Will has shown improvment last season. Least amount of points allowed, 40%+ 3pt shooting, aggressivness was much better, again, people overreact on P Will because their expectations are high on him and they want P Will to have 20 points a game, but that isn't realistic with the big 3... P Will is gonna be a starter for sure. He's better than Craig already.
i seriously don't understand, they have high expectations for him but yet makes him a 4th option on the team
If Jevon Carter is starting. Chances are Craig will too. Pat gotta earn his spot back.
Patrick williams is the bulls future a young stud in the making/( he can make a difference for the bulls if they utilize him in the right way)( make him play😢*
Doesn't matter if Patrick Williams starts. He needs to have a impact on the game. Starting or coming off the bench. Patrick needs to earn his spot.
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If Patrick Williams becomes the most selfish player on the floor every night, then what? If Patrick Williams is on some "F**k yall, I'm getting mine" every night, then what? Billy Donovan has gotta learn how to utilize Patrick Williams the right way to unleash the dawg in Patrick Williams. Until Billy Donovan makes more plays for Patrick Williams it is what tf it is. Billy Donovan has gotta prioritize Patrick Williams a lot more if he wants Pat to stop being Passive P. Other players season average will have to go down & Patrick Williams season average has to go up. If the Bulls need Patrick Williams to take a leap this season then they gotta use him the right way. It's as simple as that.
The bulls would be a lottery team because P Will is not good enough to carry any team!!!
@blacprophet1153 We haven't seen what Patrick Williams is good enough to do yet because Billy Donovan has failed to use Patrick Williams properly at all.
@@wyntonmohorn Maybe you don't watch the NBA alot? Maybe you have never played organized ball! Billy is not the reason why P Will has been average! The only individual that can hurt/stop P Will progress is him! So no matter if he is starting or coming off the bench you still see the same lethargic, passive play from P Will! See I don't just look at the game as a fan point of view! I look at it more fro a X's and O's point of view concerning strategy, will power, and skill set to overcome your opponent!
@blacprophet1153 Patrick Williams could come into next season better than ever & ready to ball out in every game. But if Billy Donovan continues to fail to utilize Pat the right way, how in tf is that supposed to help the Bulls win more games? Say whatever you want. But if the Head Coach doesn't know how to get the best outta his players, then he needs to GTFOH.
Of course he will be.
Look I would like to know last year you got on Kofi about only being only down low player without a jump shot but now Sanago is cool for the team?? A die hard bull's fan.
Look. I got on Kofi for being a player with no post skills, footwork and anything outside of just being big.
Adama Sanogo is miles ahead in all those areas on top of being able to shoot. His release is just slow.
What’s does edge look like for pwill
I wouldn't mind P-Will off the bench to play with Coby
Pwill obviously be trying to figure out his place on offense ..Zach and derozan shooting out of double teams half the game …I blame the vets for not getting him right ..billy for not running plays for him let his iso post up..when pat bev got there he was ballin because pat is a good floor leader
If Craig beats out Pat for the starting position you may as well trade Pat because his development on this team is not going well
Right
walker Kessler went after DT keep that in mind
Bitim needs to be in the roster. He can help the team now more than Terry or Ayo.
Haize, ngl. I don’t see P-Will starting. He was better of the bench and Torrey Craig is a vet who defends. And that’s exactly what you need around Lavine, DeRozan, and Vooch.
He should be starting at 3.. If he is starting, secure him as a flex wing.. him in the front court leaves him vulnerable & does not maximize his tools. Just because he can doesn't mean he should.
I feel like the Bulls just wanna sign a full 14 players to 2 way contracts!!
I can guarantee you ONE thing. Neither Patrick or Craig will be the starting point guard 🤣😂
Yeah, Bulls definetly keeping quiet on Bitim, probably waiting for the DPE result to come out and also waiting to see what they got of value during summer league. But Bitim coming, he too good, way better than Kelly Oubre or other options left at the 3 (only spot we missing).
another great episode haize, thank you for grinding for all of us!💪💯
The Summer Bulls will eat a dub today and make the playoffs and Dalen Terry will blow up in the playoffs
P Will should start but I prefer SF but he definitely can play PF because of his strength let Torrey come of the bench as a spark Dalen has too improve his shooting we keep using he young the world dont care about your age he in the NBA now i say by next season not this season but after next season 2025 he better have some type of consistent shot you have too be able too shoot there are rookies shooting better than Dalen in summer league no excuses work ethic NBA is a grown man game Javon Freeman Liberty was undrafted he playing better than Dalen so
Yo Haize I think he will be the starting PF because of the expectation and the growth this off-season pretty much like every season he starts and loses it to a backup but that definitely better not be the case this season especially if he wants that bag next off season
After setting extremely low expectations of what free agency was gonna look like, I totally thought jamychal green was gonna be a “key” signing for the bulls lol
Why are we so desperate to be undersized at PF with Torrey Craig? Also we should have Demarvelous at SG and less of SF
Lmaoo u must be in that Reddit haize😂😂
I swear that place and realgm is the weirdest rabbit hole of bulls fans. On one hand they will say dalen sucks and is a bust but then on the other hand leave out him feeling the stat sheet meaningfully and not just filling it by being invisible.
The misses might be slightly worrying but we ain’t looking to make him the next lavine and take tons of shots. But we do need him to be able to consistently hit the open spot ups. But other than that his presence is felt with how he’s playing defense and his crisp passes so overall I’d say he’s doing ok for a 2nd year guy who didn’t really play much which I think people downplay even though they cry for every random scrub g league guy to get a chance to play but down talk our draft picks that didn’t play much either because injury or roster construction
Make it make sense! Terry can't do any of the things you listed! So what are you seeing or missing!
@@blacprophet1153 ummm well since the discussion is about current play this will be about the summer league. If you were watching I think what I said was pretty obvious and not at all confusing. Or are you not watching the games and just having a over reaction to my comment?
@@flockaveli15 Seeing that he is okay for a 2nd year guy who didn't play that much! That is an indictment on Terry's lack of growth as a ball player! Aka: He also has not shown much improvement!
@@blacprophet1153 I mean I don’t disagree and I don’t think anyone is pushing any narrative that he’s a great gem that simply is held back by billy not playing him. Still doesn’t mean he’s a bust or that there isn’t reason to have optimism for his development. ESPECIALLY when you add the context of yes this being his second year.
Mind you jimmy also rode bench until guys got injured. I say that to say playing or not playing is not a one for one indictment of your skills or ability to play. I’m just saying at 21 I’m definitely not counting him out before he starts his second year.
@@flockaveli15 So now Terry is Jimmy 2.0! People need to stop comparing people to Jimmy! There will never be another Jimmy Butler! He was also starting in the playoffs against LBJ in his 1st playoffs series! Terry is no where near as good as JImmy Butler and people need to stop comparing marginal players to NBA stars as if they are going to be on gat level!
Wouldn’t be p wills first time coming off the bench it’s where he was in college 😂😂
Have the Bulls actually lost a g league player that have been a good nba player. I know they have passed on free agents that turned good.
Not as many as people make it seem. Max Strus & Spencer Dinwiddie are the two that come to mind the most
How can the kid shine offensively when hes being task to be the defensive anchor at the same time Im not sure what are you supposed to find more from PWill hes not a superstar, hes not being paid to be a superstar, you should ask Vuc Demar Lavine to pull their shit up offensively they suck big time when they are needed, the defense is not the problem its the scoring which is inconsistent specially when its needed. If only BDonovan play Drummond more to protect the rim and split Demar and Lavine during quarters or just trade 1 of them for a legit 2 way star
You don't have to be a superstar to be a two way player.
Tory is just older PWill is the best option in my opinion but Billy is the coach and anything can happen with his starting 5 all joking aside you really think that they are close defensively? I’m not seeing that PWill hands down
I see people still haven’t learned…Didn’t Kwame Brown teach y’all about the word “Bust”???? Smh lol
Pwill better start … even though I think he’s better off when zach or derozan one of the two not on the floor
Where is Justin lewis
Bulls pulled him from Summer League after he twisted his ankle. Nothing serious they just don't want to risk anything before the G-League season starts.
Patrick Williams is one of the Bulls worst draft picks ever!
guess you forgot jay williams? I'm sure some other team would love to have pat williams and develop him if the bulls can't
@@metsrus WTF are you talking about? Jay Williams was the best college point guard ever other than Pistol Pete! That was a great pick! That was a dumbass comparison you made. Don’t ever say no shit like that again! I’d give Pat Williams away for a bag of Cheetos 💯
Craig is starting. Billy is over P Will
How he was ballin when Pat bev got there. He should be over the bulls lack of ball movement Debo and Zach shooting out of double teams half of the game. Need a floor leader
Its put up or shut up time for PW. Does he want to be the guy or a guy. Time will tell.
Pat dont deserve to start u need a strong 5 so start Carter and Craig anything would be foolish
Patrick Williams is not a PF. He's a 3. The Bulls need to get a PF smh... small ass team
Welcome to the modern NBA P-will is a 4 and bigger than half the starting 4s in the league
@ChiBullsCentral How's that playing out for him and the bulls? You know damn well we need a true PF. We are getting bullied out there. Also our development team is completely trash. Every player that leaves the bulls flourish after leaving the team. We have complete and absolute zero identity. I love my Chicago bulls. The frustration is real!!!!
There are a large number of teams playing PF's at center and playing smaller players at the PF position! If you look at the NBA almost all the teams want to be able to switch at every position! So in that sense P Will should be able to play PF! P Will just does not the motor, consistency, toughness and that dog in him to be good, great or dominant! P Will is starting for the bulls so this improvement is on P Will not anyone else! The only person that can hold P Wil back is P Will!
Getting Bullied? He's was the least scored on player n the NBA last season. So where was he getting bullied at? I'll wait
@ChiBullsCentral That's impressive if true. PWill still needs a breakout season. Its now or never. I'm sorry bro being a Chicago fan is tough. We have the cheapest owners in sports all around. Let's hope for a special season 🙏🏻
P Williams need to be on the bench or traded he to slow and soft 💯
Hell no
Well, the number of games can be a sign that a player is actually bust. i would quest about DeRozen starting spot! Last year real problem was so called big 3 unfit. Pat is not a problem. Why are we hide away from real problem(s)? Coby-Zach-Pat-Graig-Vooch or Carter-Coby-Zach-Pat-Vooch would be more balanced lineup. So, if Bulls start again slow, i would like to assume Donovan will aadress real problem! I would even say- Zach is bigger problem than Pat.
If Coby is the starting PG they aint serious. We saw that experiment and it was a total disaster... Keep CW at 2 where he is very comfortable and can deliver
How is Zack a bigger problem! People make statements that have no logic of reason concerning them! Zack was recovering from an injury but how is he the biggest problem!
He should be the starting sf it's time to see him in his natural position and trade Derozan