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Using their new A-Core synth engine, this differs from ACB in that is is more CPU efficient and can provide up to 256 voices across 5 part multi-timbrality with FX and assignable performances. The Jupiter Xm also allows for different models to be loaded (mix and match) with Jupiter 8, Juno, JX, SH101, XV and RD (piano) engines. Its nicely built with large format connections, XLR and combi jacks for IO (features a vocoder too). Although its only got a 4 octave keybed - which also is not full size, its got aftertouch and feels pretty good. A real voice rich workhorse. In the room it sounded beefy so decent D/As are used.
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People kill me. This thing is pretty interesting and sounds/looks great. Roland doesn’t care about pandering to the synth nerds (of which I’m one) and it seems to piss a lot of people off. Actual musicians seem to love their products, though, because Roland gear is in every studio and on lots of stages. Actual musicians also don’t care if it’s analog, digital, or both. You play what sounds good. And this sounds good.
Credit to Roland. I didn't think they could milk their back catalogue anymore.
Or water it down anymore
Ha lol i was only just thinking the same. It’s a cruel experiment to see how many times and in different ways they can sell you the same thing
@@julianhigginson5946 The JU06a only has four voices too. Now we know they are trolling us.
Riktenstein they know we can’t play complicated chords so no need for more then 3. I think they just give 4 just so they can monitor our confusion and have a good laugh back at HQ lol
@@julianhigginson5946 Haha!!!
I appreciate all the love for Behringer, I love my Neutron, and the K2 is very nice! But I have to point out that this is like 5 products in one, for the same price as 5 Separate Behringer synth clones. The major difference is Roland put them all in one machine (with up to 256 polyphony). Saving me tons of space on my desk...lol
At 1500 bucks (even more up here in Maple Syrup land), there's no excuse why this thing doesn't have a full keybed. And it's Virtual Analog. Behringer's somehow able to do cheap analog in 2019. Come on Roland.
Agreed, just answering the "somehow": being held by Music Tribe (formerly Music Group) and mass-producing everything at a single campus (Music Tribe City) in China.
They're making a full size 61 key version. Behringer doesn't even make a 61 note keyboard.
Behringer’s MS-20 clone is a little over $300. There’s no reason that this (not analogue, sounds like any other digital or VST synth, mini keys, which I will say the K2 doesn’t have any keys, but it’s cheap to buy a simple controller) synth should be like 5 times that price... hahaha
Who? Roland? You cracked me up fun time:DDD
Roland Jupiter X has the full keyboard.
"pure analog modelling" reminds me somehow to "real simulated wood"
Or Corinthian Leather.
Like “brushed aluminum plastic”
@@sandkipper1 if indeed that is what he is referring to. Currently, we only have conjecture to go on. I appreciate what you are saying. But Hybrid modeling is just as loose a modifying adjective as "pure". To me analog, is a process. Not a sound. The Virus has earned the right to stand alone as a synth cause it sounds good. The prophets have DCOs but are great synths. And etc. Lets give these 2 bad boys a chance to be judged upon their respective merits, why dont we?
Old English Vinyl.
@@MrStupidHead Or luxury Pleather
Another good reason why behringer is doing so well right now...
DAMN lol
I don't know... while Behringer could approximate some Roland sounds well, this appears to have a very full compliment.
Behringer are absolutely at the top of the pile for buying quality synths for half the price, i just bought the clone 101 and it's as good as the original probably better because usb etc and i'm buying their ARP, Roland Yamaha and Korg have had enough of my money..
@ Yeah, the 1 (101) is probably better. Honestly, all those synth traders must be shitting themselves right now, because the bottom is going to fall out of their market. I know I held on to a few things too long and prices have softened. There will always be the collectors, but I don't think they've ever been the heart of the market. The heart of the market has always been creators chasing a sound. Now that Behringer is supplying the heart of the market... well watch out everybody else. I do predict that Roland will make some of what we have always wanted from them, for a moment, before giving up the synth game altogether, like going the direction of Yamaha.
alpha numeric the heart of the market are miniature clones of outdated limitated synths?
It’s like they made the ”Super Reface” I wanted from Yamaha, with all models included. I actually like portability and wouldn’t mind this, the JDXi, or a Korg Microstation. I also like the increased polyphony and physical controller knobs, but for this price I would want at least 4 octave full size keys with poly-AT, rather than a traveller’s synth.
I just bought one. It's great. I can now also offload a lot of my older Roland rompler stuff. But I wanted a 'travel possible' synth - was specifically looking at the Reface CS and Microkorg S too. But for me the Jupiter Xm is the best combination of all that. The UI... well it takes some getting used to. But I'm generally fine with complex gear and it's no issue to get around it now, but I fear for anyone who doesn't already know what all the terms mean. Although they could always just preset browse.
Oh crap, are they mini keys? This is a Roland premium product !!!!
I don't know about "premium": it's a crippled acb synthesis engine.
yep, and a whole three octaves worth, and it is battery powered, but it is serious Roland studio grade gear. Hehe. I think Roland is trolling us.
... and the Jupiter-X's little brother. Hence the m
@@alexwestconsulting Its better than ACB.
@@digitaldiezel5870 No it is not. It is a newer, less cpu intensive sound engine.
It’s stupid of them to keep milking the “Jupiter” name, but I think this thing sounds great and if I were still gigging this would be a god send. It covers a ton of ground in a small format. Seems a lot more exciting to me than the JD-XA.
It just seems like a copy of a copy of a copy. System 8’s range of oscillator-types are still more appealing
Jupiter xm: I am just a copy of a copy of a copy
Every sound i make has come before
Assembled into something into something into something
I don't know for certain anymore
I though of this as a replacement of the system 8. So it's not ?
bonno666: it’s not a system-8 replacement since it’s not using ACB, but something more “efficient” (read less accurate at modelling analogue)
@@Wagoo So if i buy this, i can expect a sort of emulation of a Jupiter 8 but not as good as a System 8, although the New Jupiter X 61 key has After Touch, the System 8 has not ?
bonno666: right. But an original Jupiter-8 doesn’t have aftertouch either.. it doesn’t even have velocity!
I appreciate you asking some of the difficult questions, Nick, about the keys and whether it's just another rehash. Sounds nice-ish, even if it is basically a rehash, but geez, that price is 500 Euro higher than reality.
I was thinking the max they could get for this is $500 in this market. Adding a grand to that, no freaking way. You can buy a monster analog for $1,500 nowz a dayz, not a little minikey three octave toy. Or you could buy several awesome synths and all the cabling and stands you'd need for that price. Roland is just high. They're like that rich kid that just doesn't get it.
Customers: we really want analog version of those classics, we have been asking very loudly since 1990...
Roland: no you don't you want this digital stuff that can almost emulate the old analog gear !
Behringer: lol check these little beauties out
James Hollings Right? Hahaha Behringer is very smart. Haha
You nailed it :)
Nick: How's the PWM?
Roland guy:
.....? Btw, check out these cool guitars from our two decades old rompler...! :p
I love it how he starts to present it:
"We have the ACB technology from the System-8.... this is not it...!" :p
"We have RD piano, XV-5080 sound module... PLUS some of the analog stuff...!" Wtf? :p
This is in line with the RD-2000 in many ways...
First they madee a space ship that is like a successor to the A80 and A90... then the big selling point seemed to be: "It can sound exactly like our 30 year old RD-1000...!"
O... K....
I gotta admit, I think the RD-1000/MKS-20 is one of the coolest sounding digital pianos ever - heck, Elton John has been using that sound for basically all his performances, since the RD-2000 was introduced...! But...
What looked so promising, on paper, when the RD-2000 came out though, was the flash memory expansions that would be available on the Axial site... and I, like many others thought - oh cool, we will get all the cool Integra/FA-series expansions for the RD-2000 as well...
but nooooo....
Roland, being Roland... gave us:
"RD-EXP01 offers popular RD-500/600/700 sounds"
"RD-EXP02 offers popular RD-700SX sounds"
"RD-EXP03 offers remaining RD-700SX sounds"(!)
"RD-EXP04 offers RD-700GX and RD-700NX sounds"....
Ok, we get it, Roland loves the sounds of earlier, DIGITAL Rolands....
And, now here's the next generation JD-Xi, but without any true analog stuff, and... it turns out it's a XV-5080 in disguise...! :D..which also has... Roland RD piano sounds! (gotta reuse them libraries from the RD-2000...!) " PLUS *some* of the analog stuff...! at... three times the price of the JD-Xi! :D
Vintage Roland gear, is more desirable with every new product, Roland launches.
You mean new up to date Behringer gear is more desirable with the release of every new Roland product. Lol.
I have some vintage Roland gear, the Jupiter 6, the Super JX10 and the JD800 and yes they sound great but they really are not all that great, the way people amp them up to be.
I also have the JDXA which is a really great sound design machine and the System 8, they are all good products.
These new products look and sound pretty damn good. I like the old Rolands' but they are really hyped up for what they are.
Roland has also come out with the new Fantoms which are really good products, they are not just limited to one line of products. I really don't buy your statement at all.
@theinvisiblemanThe old guard was the guy that didnt want to remake the old classics
Good news for people who waited for Roland to make a digital heritage synth. Again. And again.
lollll
Right. Again.
I am a snob. is this digital or analogue so I can emotionally react without forming my own considered opinion?
Digital, go on, get it out of your system!
That was so therapeutic
Since a log time, i really don't understand what Roland is focusing on. Why don't they just release the original jupiter 8 again??? All units would be sold out in a month... and they would get rid of Behringer imitations... There are people paying more than 10000 euros for original used JP8s... instead of this they keep releasing this toys which are basically digital plug ins in a box... ridiculous
Behringer is actually really smart by making all those clones that these big companies just decide not to make or make half-assed versions of.
@@Jimbo386000 well i had both the deepmind 12 and the system-1 for two years, and i kept the system-1, sounded much better to my ears, sure vintage analog is amazing, had the juno, polysix, prophet, few years back, but whatever analog is in the deepmind didn't sound good to my ears, rather thin, uninspiring, plus the fan was noisy, the menu diving (for fx) was unintuitive, the synth had some neat things to it, like panning voices (12 voices is amazing) but in the end, it never produced a song i was proud of, while the system-1, i just plug it in and the fun begins, just my own two cents.
@@Jimbo386000 for the record though, i think everything roland makes is terribly overpriced.
Agree, and I don’t want to open a discussion about digital or analogue, good or bad, there are great synths of both kinds out there. As a studio producer, I only buy analog synths, simply because when digital I prefer plugins, which are normally more powerful, or do basically the same at least, and are easier to edit, and save me a lot of space in the studio. In the case of Roland, I already have the Roland cloud emulation plugins, so why should I need this in a box, together with all supernatural, guitars and marimbas… this is not what I first expected when I saw that cool Jupiter x layout with the exact external design of the Jupiter 8, and that’s what is I am so disappointed about this synth because the first impression we all got from the pictures is a Jupiter 8 reedition. If it was called Pluton X, system 2, or boutique 25 I wouldn’t even care or comment anything, it would be just another synth which I don’t like or care about
Look at Dave Smith for example. See what he did with the prophet 6, my favourite synth in my studio on the last decade far from any other. Dave, basically did a new modern Prophet 5, but respecting the classic 80s original. In other words, there is a real analog Prophet 5 inside plus additional improved modern features, but respecting the original machine, for those who want to have a prophet 5 sound in 2019,. Well, DS are selling much more expensive than Roland does, and having a great success selling real quality. Roland used to be a reference for producers, and they are loosing all this reputation with all this new re-edition catalogue in the last couple of years. This is my personal opinion, and it's a sad opinion, because i am big fan and collector of Roland classic synths, and i would pay a few thousands of USD for a new Jupiter 8, if it really was that
My only reaction to this is meh. Roland refuses to acknowledge that virtual analog is dead. This is just a mashup of the boutique models that’s apparently coded to use less DSP? Everybody else shouting out Behringer knows where it’s at. Unlike Roland, they are giving people what they want- reissues of the classic synths and also some new designs. Even if Roland stepped up to korg’s level, it would be a massive step up.
It's not even as accurate as the ACB models, these are profile hacks added to their supernatural engine (maybe supernatural devs got jealous of the plugout concept)
I was down on it at first but its got some real moxie! High polyphony, multi-timbral, battery powered and its the right size. And the new arp is dope! I'm exited about it!
Sounds like a vst synth, a very exspensive one. There will be a lot of Behringer logos in my studio soon.
I think this is a good replacement for JDXI -- I was looking for a smaller synth for gigs that could give me drums, piano, synth, and pads -- this does the job -- I would use the keyboard on my Juno Gi and use this as the sound box
For sequencing I would use my Arturia Beat Step Pro to extend the 5 parts into chain patterns -- this is what I do with the JDXI
@@phantomelectricghost I have a JD_XI, this one I would buy too. The thing about the JD-XI is for me that it inspires my song writing as I think this one would so well worth the money to me.
Wait for Behringer clone the Jupiter 8 for €999 ;-)
...with full size keys too.
Hopefully not a loooong wait!
More like 500 quid...
More like $499 and it'll have 6 octaves of full sized keys, and STILL Roland will have no idea why their goofs never sell.
and do not forget the Behringer Yamaha CS 80 for 1200!
Still no jd-990 boutique! They would sell like hot cakes. An exact replica sound engine but with midi synced effects, lfos etc. And include the sr-jv80-04 vintage synth card. Its just an obvious winner! Why are they not producing it?
Tip for you Roland: Business 101 - give customers what they want, not what you think they want
(No pun intended 101)
James Hollings . SYSTEM 8 users and reviewers including Nick were asking asking for 2 LFOs per oscillator, aftertouch, metal body, 61 keys, expression pedal compatability and they got it with the Jupiter X. Behringer users want clones.
Florida Hiker Roland users also want clones, because Roland have been ignoring their customers for decades, I own a couple of Roland classics, unfortunately they are old and battered from almost daily use (my favourite being my CR78, don't even get me started on 101/202/303/707/808/909/Juno) if Roland had made "clones" of their classic analog machines available to buy since 1990 then there would not be a market for the likes of Behringer, and have Roland even looked at second hand values. Look at what Kong did with the Odyssey, to take it a step further, look at what Buchla did with the Easel, could I afford an Easel.. no, but I bloody well bought 1 and it has pride of place next to my battered CR78.
My point is, I am sure these new digital synths from Roland are very good, just not as good as the analog ones they used to make.
Oh yeh and Dave Smith... just saying
Florida Hiker Exactly Florida! I agree! Sounds like a step in the right direction to me.
By “so it’s a premium product” I think he means “wow that escalated quickly”.
This should have been just a desktop unit.
Agreed. A desktop version of this, 8 parts multitimbral, 8 channel audio streaming to DAW, at 1299, and I'd be all in
@@lcceo22 or just make a Roland Cloud plugin :-D
@@ABetterSound uh....no.
well, you are now probably sitting in front of PC, or not? Somewhere near can be DAW and VSTi ... ))
@@7alken that's a completely nonsensical reply.
Roland just doesn't get it smh. You can grab the Behringer remakes for the Model D, 101, Odyssey and the Nuetron for 1399.
..and Behringer clones are true analog.. 🙂
So what? Shite build quality, pretty much no own R&D, and you're comparing apples with pears anyway, because those rip offs are completely different synths (monophonic on top of all) than a Jupiter 8 or Juno 106.
Jup, def. different, but even cheap analog still sounds better than Rolands ACB modelling to me.
Who the heck wants or even needs four budget monosynths? Blips and bloops or techno, we get it. But any songwriter or electronic musician would be better served by decent polysynth. And frankly, Deepmind doesn't sound better than this new Roland at all, in fact it mostly sounds worse.
@@marike1100 You are right about mono synths and blips and bloops, but what use is a poly synth with only three octaves? For that price there is the Rev2 for example, with five octaves.
This sounds pretty awesome. A lot of range. As many have said below, one could wonder what this does that the JD800 couldn't? When digging into the detail, I'm sure there are differences. 256 voices... that's a hell of a lot of processing power.
Balanced outputs is a very nice pro touch.
Out of the box, the Jupiter 8 and the piano sounds, sounded very, very good. Talk about compact though... doesn't anyone have studio space anymore?
Its a great couch synth.
Surely a desktop unit would make more sense? Either have enough full size keys to make it worthwhile (i.e. the bigger version), or save the space (and cost) and get rid of them. Nice sounds, but meh to the design
€1499 "...because of the sound engine" = "We gotta pay for our lawyers somehow!"
Sounds like any VST
And still using stuff like the supernatural synth engine, at least for the piano parts... seriously wtf...
Sounds great! Seems like a very versatile touring instrument, or good for someone who's not a synth collector but wants a solid all-in-one keyboard for their studio.
Haha!
Based on the pre-hate it's going to be a classic.
no
nice logic
Unless you really need the 'Roland' sound, I'd save up a bit more and get one of those high-end Modals or the Novation Summit, perhaps. Or get the Novation Peak, or the OB-6, or something.
agree
Actually, Modal is releasing a digital wavetable poly synth with full size Fatar keys for half the price!
Used OB-6 desktop units show up on Reverb for only $100-200 more than this - crazy considering it's analog and "made in the USA".
I might wait for the behringer clone instead.
"I think you hit the guitarbank" "Yeah, that was a big mistake" :-)))))))))))))))
So big dissapointment, that this isn't real analog. Also, looks that this is step down engine compare to ACB. How many years we need to wait for real Jupiter 8 reissue?
Just post this comment to BEHRINGER. Tommorow you can play with this reissue.
@@acsola3909 Behringer has it behringerish sound. For me their clones didn't sound like real stuff, except VC340 which didn't sound like Roland but it has really cool sound. I think there is a lot of vintage synth or real analog synth in this price range which sounding better. I love Roland stuff, I have SH-2 and Jupiter 4, D50, JV880, JV1080, S550, S10, S330 also I did try a boutique and I have couple of them for sell because they are sounding almost same like Roland Cloud. So, so far Roland Cloud is enough for having Roland legacy. There is nothing wrong with Roland Cloud, except they are not sounding same like their analog equivalent. And having real Jupiter 4 is far better than having Jupiter X. And I'm really dissapointment that it isn't real Jupiter 8 which has crazy prices. Just other VA trying to look like Jupiter 8. I'm little bit tired of that :(
@@TheMrFinalizer your ears are broken. There are plenty of blind tests on youtube and you can barely tell the difference, and if you can tell then you should realize that it doesn't matter, as in a mix and with processing, nobody else will be able to tell
yeah, right... Ask Uli! :))
@@TheMrFinalizer Did you've seen the direct comparison video of the Mini-Moog and Boog Model D? The differences are so ridicilous...
It’s a “premium” product because of the engine apparently, but “a-core” technology is somehow inferior to ACB? So we’re in bizarro world?
I wondered about that, is it truly worse? Bit hard to tell tbh, seems like a and acb dont quite got it
Technically Roland has said that ACB is more poweful regarding modeling. However, my ears are unable to perceive any difference between the Jupiter Xm on my setup and the Roland cloud plugins. The Jx 8p model rocks and dare I say that it sounds more rich and powerful than the original !
Nice synth but the price is crazy. Roland are a very strange company.
Roland is a professional instrument company, they make professional instruments that stand up & last forever, hence the cost. There is plenty of Behringer & Arturia cheap stuff out there for the faint of heart.
@@mattsynth ok fan boy calm down.
*NO, you are a pooooor Man, so go to Behringer ;)*
@@mattsynth you should try Behringer, they're incredibly sturdy
Johnny Taylor any Behringer product I purchased failed within one to two year of use, Roland stuff last forever so I don’t mind paying. Unfortunately this one has mini keys which I hate.
Those mini-keys. Good grief.
NedOnAnalog Yeah, they should have made this just a desktop.
Good luck with that price tag....a premier product with slim keys, pfft! Not an earthly chance of competing with Behringer.
apislapis with it being the same price as a lot of new and used Dave Smith stuff like the prophet rev 2 and plenty of other brands/keyboards, it’s a tough sale because it’s not really doing anything super new. It’s great to get jupiter and plug out stuff in an all in one package, but they’re all sounds we’ve heard a thousands times. While there’s only so many ways you can manipulate waveforms, vintage and the old way of doing things isn’t always the best way to go about innovating
Agreed, @@liamcrittenden, it's in a really competitive price bracket and personally I'd be thinking about the 2nd hand DSIs, Korg Prologue 16, Arturia Matrixbrute, Novation Peak, DM12, Sub 37 etc just as much as the new Roland with skinny keys.
Ha ha ha, Behringer is the cheap shit. Roland isn't trying to compete with them. Have you ever played a Behringer board? Plays and feels like crap. Roland's keys are fantastic--and this one even has aftertouch. Maybe you should point me at the great Behringer synth that is 5 part multitimbral and has great keys with aftertouch. It doesn't exist. You better stick to the out of tune Boog's and cheap knock offs...
@@richnewman I play my "cheap shit" Behringer through a Roland A80. Nice.
Rich Newman are u insane?
Behringer will be happy to see this.
Why, because they can copy it? Woops, they won't...
@@stryker1999 No, because they can continue making the analog stuff that everyone wants but Roland refuses to make.
@@Jay.Ramone Oh sure... so people want Yamaha to produce a CS-80, and people swarm the Yamaha synth forums telling them what they want. Yamaha mentions this online.
Uli posts a pic of the back of a CS-80.
If I was Yamaha, I'd sue his ass into having to steal Chinese secrets.
@stryker1999 you need to see a doctor, or do you have large stack of Roland shares or something? Just buy that bloody thing and be happy.
I was sceptical of behringer going to make synths but recently bought one and week after another they are that good, really. And having them icons for this price is great, I would never pay over 3000 quid for mini Moog reissue. Pricing probably single arm chip va synth/rom player at 1500 is unethical!
stryker1999 they would not copy something so SHITTY.
Beautiful intro!
The majority of comments seem to lack the understanding of how capable this thing really is and how good the modelling is to simulate the originals...plus 256 voices...plus 5 part multitimbral...plus split layering the different models...plus an intelligent arppegiator. This could replace an entire rig in a studio or on stage. I think practically-minded studio owners and musicians are going to love this thing.
I keep my deepmind 12.
Nice to see the JX-8P getting an airing, albeit virtually. Seriously underrated synth with a sound engine better than the JUNO 106 in my opinion. Time for a JX-8P resurgence !
Sound like they discontinued the initial plug-out technology
I doubt it, they know it’s better for accuracy at modelling analogue synths. They could do with spinning up a new chip with more polyphony power.. but making ASICs is quite expensive as an initial investment so probably will milk the ESC2s as long as they can. I mean they just released a new ACB synth too (JU-06A)
IDK.... the MC707 is impressive, but this one, specially after having seen ASM's Hydrasynth, Roland should reaaallllyyy rethink the price. And by that I mean cut it at half.
What is the price on this??
I guess this will be 1500
I like it. I’d like it more if it were a Roland Boutique module and priced accordingly. Small module priced at $399 would be nice.
Its sounds excellent and not the typical Roland sound.....I like it a lot but I'm buying the 707.
Oooh! That arpeggiator is tasty. Total music making machine. All through it’s price is off putting, I’m looking forward to see Nick tests drive these just cause it’s good fun.
And why does it matter if it’s analog or digital if they sound good..
JM Because they’re charging insane prices for what you’re getting
JM Yeah, I agree it does sound good and I wasn’t trying to be flippant. Good sounding engine and a knob per function interface are a big plus, but the synth market it becoming rapidly saturated by innovative products at a lower price point. If it was around half the price it’d be a viable option.
I think this product is obviously not designed for people that want a full sized 8 voice Anlage synth.
There’s the Moog one if you want that.
However there’s nothing like the Jupiter xm yet.
As a DJ this makes me cry tears of joy cause it’s an upgrade to a live setup with a loooot of gear becoming obsolete through this.
For live purposes it’s the synth I’ve been waiting for.
saving time in the studio cuz you don’t need to layer 3 JP8 and Juno vsts to get somehow close to a real emulation.
Fact is. This is a synth of the presence. A true analog filter would’ve been the sauce. True. But for the audience this is designed for it doesn’t matter.
I think it sounds very nice! I'm going to put this on my studio list for sure! Just to have the RD, XV 5080 & the 4 Plug Outs in one will be useful & exciting! A++++++++++++++++
Aluminum sides, metal front, aftertouch, ADSR knobs and people hate it already. The X model 61 key must be a monster. Like your channel too.
Waiting for Behringer on this one
For sure, I don't know what Roland is doing honestly, they've lost their touch.
So A engine would appear to be an evolution of the supernatural synth engine with some per model profiling and tweaks for when it's trying to emulate a specific vintage synth..
Didn't expect this baby one to be that price.. er.. I think I'll stick with my JD-XA for supernatural stuff. Will be interesting to see the big Jupiter-X vid when it's uploaded.. I hope it's not just a larger version of this, but has something special too
Edit: seems like Jupiter-X is just a large version of this.. no ACB or analogue fun thrown in.. weird product given its looks
Wagoo behringer has spoiled us with analog synths at fire sale prices. JD-XA is proving to be something of a classic, definitely no reason to “upgrade”
11:05 Nicks reaction after he heard the prize is just a very subtle disappointment
I was gonna say £799 on this .... £1499 a little OTT for me on this synth,,,, System 8 better deal
@@sideast Me too. £699 - £799 would have been reasonable. But its not full sized keys, only 3 octave and is essentially just a bunch of plug ins and a processor. Not sure how they can justify that price
@@alunmauve "It's a premium product because of the sound engine" ...that has been rehashed over the last 20+ years.
Hears "£1499"
Nick: "ok bye". Literally.
It's made of metal all around and looks like a very high built quality synth. Not any of the plasticky boxes they've made in the recent past. That has a price. Plus, the "sound engine" is not just a copy/paste job from earlier synths. FWIW, if any of you naysayers here knew anything about software development, you wouldn't moan about "rehashed over the last 20 years."
Great if you love the sound of digitally distorting saw waves, I guess?
Looking over the parameter list documentation from this synthesizer’s sister, the new Fantoms, and listening at 10:39, I think this new “Zen” synthesizer engine has more analog-style bite to it than the older SN-S engine we had in the JD-Xi, JD-Xa, Jupiter-80, Integra 7, etc. synths (which is great for pads but has a Jazzy “lounge lizard” vibe when trying to play leads). This new “Zen” engine supports frequency modulation and oscillator sync, something the older SN-S engine (Roland SuperNATURAL Virtual Analog) does not have. The piano at 7:12 sounds really great too.
Roland’s digital sound tech is not a joke. The only problem, if you can call it that, is that the sounds are so hi-fi and pristine.
Hey Roland this product looks amazing however is way over the price point it should be and also needs to be released as a desktop only version if you arent going to include full sized keys.
Behringer please now..Jupiter 16 soonnn..thx..
BRILLIANT! I don’t want any of these new Roland products :)
Sounds beautiful
The Jupiter Xm is a great synth. The VA engine is improved from the SuperNatural synth and is almost indistinguishable from the Roland Plug outs. I can confirm as I have done some test with my roland Fa 06 and the plug ins. The best thing about this synth is the ability to layer different modules up to 5 parts with great sound quality. Even if its a plugin box, I am happy with this board because the sound is rich, warm and very pleasant to the ear. The I arp is a very fun tool and is the icing on the cake for creating instant synthwave tracks. Build like a tank and the keys feel good and inspiring. The best synth in the mini keys range.
Like this product! A good all rounder with a simple interface and versatile! Could replace many synths in the studio with this one. Definitely something I would consider.
this is a brilliant sounding studio synth
Man Roland continues to obfuscate with it's marketing. It's not ACB it's something else but we're not telling what. It doesn't sound bad it's just Roland marketing that's off putting about this whole thing. 1500 is definitely shooting for the moon. U-he Diva is what $150? Something like that. Tal Juno is $50 bucks. Add U-he Ace and you have all of Roland old analogue world covered. Shit, you'll still have money left over for a vintage SH-101 or, even better, SH-2. I don't get it. Actually come to think of it I paid $1400 USD for my Juno 60 in 2017!! Spend the difference of the U-he Ace and maybe a VirtualCZ and again you're covering a lot of ground. My JX-3P was $475. It just doesn't add up. I'd rather the genuine vintage articles.
@Aaron Foltz I know right?! So many options at this price point. A combination of Juno 6, SH2, and Alpha Juno or JX3p come to mind. All for less than or around $2500. Or a few vintage pieces supplemented with some software etc etc. Lots of combinations come to my mind for what they're asking for the XM and even more for the X.
Comparing a VST versus hardware is disingenuous. By your logic, why bother buying any synthesizer other than a VST and a Midi controller?
@@space-skeleton But I didn't compare a VST to hardware did I? I said buy genuine vintage article and supplement with VST. A combination. Is English not your first language or are you deliberately obtuse?
When Trees Will Rule The World Again how on earth can you compare the price of a friggin VST to actual HARDWARE???
@@SPAZZOID100 Haha ok. Well it's only elementary level English but I guess some people don't like to read. The paragraph even ends with "I'd rather the genuine vintage articles.".
Let me try and simplify. You can buy a lot for $1500 USD. I bought my Juno 60 for $1440 for example. That still leaves $60 in my pocket if I were to go that route. For someone who needs a little more range beyond what the Juno 60 could do one could buy U-he's ACE. It's essentially an excellent model of a Roland SH-7. But you don't have to go the software route. I saw three different Juno 6's come up for sale over the course of this year for around a thousand dollars. You could go Juno 6 + JX3P or Juno 6 + SH-09. Or SH-2 + almost $500 worth of whatever else you want if you don't need polyphony. So many combinations come to mind for $1500 and even a real deal, vintage Roland sound can be had for less than that. It's not even worth talking about the Jupiter X because at that price point you can truly have Roland's entire back catalogue with real deal vintage articles.
So how can I compare the price of a "frigging VST to actual HARDWARE?"? Well first of all I didn't do that. IF you learn to read this will become clear. But ok let's see how...
Firstly, they do exactly the same thing (i.e. make sounds that you can use to put together tracks). In that way they are certainly comparable. Secondly that "actual HARDWARE" you're referring to is just software in a box. Thirdly, the aforementioned software does a world of Roland sounds already and with a proven track record in production (I think Disclosure did their first record entirely with Diva and the results speak for themselves). Fourthly there are plenty of instances where software sounds better than "actual hardware" as you say (e.g. Roland Gaia vs U-he Diva is clearly a case of software dominating the hardware in terms of sound quality and range).
The point was there is a world of analogue hardware out there for $1500. Even Roland's own vintage back catalogue can be had for that. For my money I'd probably go Roland SH101 or SH2 vintage + Alpha Juno and maybe some software to supplement. Others might need polyphony in which case a Juno 6 might make more sense plus something else. Why would you pay $1500 for another incarnation of Roland supernatural engine or whatever other repackaged software in a box when you can buy the genuine vintage version of what the software in a box claims to mimic?
i WANT a Jupiter 8 remake with ALL ANALOG none of this hybrid/digital fake BS. Arturia and Roland's own Sound Cloud give just fine digital versions.
Roland: So what you're saying is you'd like a worse version of the digital synth engines that are out now, at a higher price. Is that what you're saying? Please respond or do not respond to indicate 'yes'.
1499 Euro’s - Roland has lost the plot - I was expecting something around 599-699 top.
would have been a great product then, what a pitty
Go with behringer.
Copied from the Specs for the Xm on Sweetwater's site:
4,000 Preset Tones, 256 User Tones, 90 Drum Kits, 256 Scenes, up to 256 notes depending on the patch. Lots of sounds from different Roland synth models and drums, packaged in one 37 key synth. Small enough to use as an auxiliary keyboard, and affordable at $1499.00
There's always a place for a smaller KB that can wear a lot of hats that is not too expensive to justify.
I'll stick with my Jupiter 50. Oddly enough, this release just made it that much more interesting. Thanks for making new synths to add value to my older ones. ; )
"Ok, not my kind of thing but I can see someone buying this for 500"
"It's going to be 1499 euros"
If it was analog it would make sense to get at that price point but wtf
Jupiter X-Tortion. Classic beauty meets modern corporate tone deaf greed. Roland screws the pooch once again.
Modern corporate tone deaf greed, sums it up nicely.
I was ready to rip on this completely but then realized it is like my favorite keyboard synth, the Nord Wave, which also combines multiple layers of synth and sample sounds. But even with how rare the Nord is used, they are cheaper, have a full keyboard, many more knobs, and legit Nord sample libraries. The Roland definably has more dsp and probably higher bit rate behind it, and credit to them for actually making it metal, but I am baffled by the mini keys and price! If it goes on discount for $999-ish I would actually be more tempted to A-B it with the Nord...
I'm glad Roland is finally getting it...oh wait...
I think that extremely high quality analog synth modelling audio is the selling point for the Jupiter Xm, along with real time controllers and the latest AWM acoustic instrument technology. Most of the reasons I was sold on the Yamaha Montage. Except the Montage has a state of the art FM synth engine, and that was the clincher for me. That's why I own a Montage, which is my FM dream machine for sound design. Analog duties are most often relegated to my Prophet Rev2, although the Montage has the sweetest square wave I've ever heard. I'm surprised Roland and Yamaha are ignoring wavetable synthesis right now. My third hardware synth is a Waldorf blofeld, my Teutonic wavetable baby.
Guys this product is amazing, but 1500$? :((( if compare to Korg Minilogue, coz it looks most closer to this - it's just in 3 times cheaper. I thought that 700-800$ is a peak for such products...in our time U-He Repro 1, Hive 2, Dune 3 - this synths can sounds same rich but it's in 10 times cheaper and i can produce very fast with them on laptop or PC, so i hope you will re-think about a price politic... people hope.
Igor Leus How can you compare this to the minilogue? And which minilogue are you actually referring to? Do you even know what you’re writing about?
@@everpuremusic no, i'm a noob in the music...so i don't know what i'm writing about) sorry, you are Pro - so tell us to what we must compare it :)
Great fat sounding Jupiter 8 mini clone 👏🏻👏🏻
It could have at least been a hybrid with an analogue filter and DCOs for that price. I like digital syntha as much as analogue, but the competition out there is too strong right now for this synth. Knock 500 quid off and it's probably a winner.
Gour Kernow How should a set of fixed DCOs replicate the sound of four very different synths plus a piano? You have apparently missed the point of what this synth is about.
@@everpuremusic No i get the point of the synth, it is emulating four classics, but only digitally, which kind of isnt what most people REALLY want if we're honest. If it had the Jupiter 8 analogue filter and DCOs just for that module, or indeed any small combination of the other synths features, then it would be infinitely more desirable at the price point. If Roland dont do it with their own legacy, someone else will.
- How much does it cost?
- SOUND ENGINE.
-Yes.
A desktop version would have been up my alley
Yes I agree a module would have been a nice option.
I can't wait for the Behringer JP clone!!
Minikeys are the devil.
😁
It sounds great, but I have to wonder what this means for Sys-8 and plug-out users who went all in? I use the plug-outs via RC and I hope they continue to support it.
Rolland bussines plan is milking the cows out of their name.
I think it looks and SOUNDS quite gorgeous. The performance features are quite interesting for those that improvise. If it were closer to 1k, I'd consider it. I miss my JP-6. :-/
Yet another analog modeling technology with a brand new name ! How great this is !
Man, Roland is just really all about these new synths for ants!
1499? Maybe if it was half of it...maybe.
Feel a bit weird to charge mostly for your sound engine, when VST exists. Heading towards the Hydrasynth at this point
That actually sounds nice 😎👌
omg, this sounds amazing
Really beautiful sounding. But I would pay 500-600. Full keys maybe more. No way 1500 to play small keys. Roland, figure out your product goals.
I think the price using this updated “Zen” synth engine will come down given time. The $500 JD-Xi (SuperNATURAL synth engine + drum sample playback w/ filters + real analog mono synth) came out about four years after Roland introduced the SuperNATURAL technology.
They figured them out. Half of the guys said "small size", the other half said "full keys". So they went and made them Half sized. Reminds me of 1978 GM cars. Of course we see what happened then....
Repackaged SuperNatural Jup?
Nope. It’s a new digital engine with the moniker “Zen”.
No doubt that Roland gear will keep working quality wise. I’ve owned lots of original analog stuff. But now I’ve got 2 behringer synths neutron and Deepmind 6. Their build quality is great- put it this way I’ve got 2 mono synths neutron and dread box. Which is double the price of neutron but I’m replacing the dread box as for me it’s not as good as neutron. My Deepmind 6 is absolutely great I was surprised by it to be honest
Just putting Jupiter on the case adds usd499 to end prize
more like 999 parrots.
Is Roland not aware of Behringer's success? Do they not realize that if they truly reissued their own classics with a focus on affordability that they would blow everyone out of the water?! If I had a choice between a Bahringer Jupiter for $600 or a Roland Jupiter for $900, i wouldn't even have to think about it...
Hulk Slayer Good for you, I guess...
@3:30 "And also, it has aftertouch on it" - no it doesn't unfortunately. Jupiter X does though.
That sounds amazing
It's going up against the Hydrasynth? I'd have to go with the Hydrasynth... Or, maybe, the Argon8 for real tonal quality and a superb set of features and full-sized keyboard.
At 11:22 just right before the fading to black, Nick looks to us and say "They're crazy, don't buy it".
No I didn't 😐
@@sonicstate 😂
this and asm hydrasynth are my top fav for this year
Roland needs to stop tarnishing it’s own name by building disappointing renditions of their most powerful synths.
I definitely want one! Drum kits and classic Roland a winner for one grab and go synth. Pair with something like an Access Virus and Prophet 6 and set for gear.