Yeah... Protoools - famous "industrial standard" whatever it means. And full of version of this software, and full of bullshit. I've chosen Reaper. I bought it, and I'm happy.
I feel like I should have paid for this. There is an abundance of mix tutorials available for free on the web (most of them bad in my opinion) but very rarely do you see footage of the recording process done well and practical. Looking forward to the rest of the series mate!
We are really different in our sound choices and taste but your channel reminded me a lot of what is really important and your way of showing things is spot on. Cheers from Israel!
i just have to say first of all thank you for the content. its obvious your a great engineer and producer.....but your skills as a mucisian and songwriter are very, very top notch. again thanks for the content
What a great video. I wish I had this when I started!! As a self taught drummer a couple hard learned lessons I learned that might also help folks out. - Get a Tunebot drum tuner and use it. Toms that are tuned to notes and in intervals with each other sound amazing. - drum performance: any unintentional inconsistency in your dynamics especially on cymbals and snare will sound bad and is painful to fix in post without losing the mojo of the performance. - Hit your hihat less hard than you think you have to. Just hard enough to get the right sound. You'll muddy up the snare mic. - for big rock tracks, rim shot all your back beats. It sounds great
I know most people watching this video have a taste for metal and affiliates, but a great example of pre production can be found easily on Spotify. Check Oasis’s Be Here Now Mustique Demos. Than check the same full produced song. You can see how they worked the song, the panning, the clean and dirty parts, before it was properly tracked. Nowadays, you can get there much faster, considering the album dates back yo 1997.
Another great video. I do the same stuff in Reaper. Except for cutting dead space between toms. I used to do that , but use volume automation instead. Either way works though. It's a matter of preference. Can't wait for the second video.
@@jonathasx I've tried gates on toms. But they can be unreliable especially in fast paced hard music. Snare and cymbals end up triggering them when I don't want them too. There really is no wrong way if it works for you though.
This is pure gold! Do you sit in the same room while the drums are recorded? How do you protect your ears and dial in tones? I find this process very hard, as my ears are tired and fatigued very fast.
The secret to good sounding drums? A good drummer! Love this video Bobby, really important stuff covered. As I've mentioned before, we are in a very similar setup / situation and are finally dialling in the finishing stages of our drum tracking setup. Interesting that you are more bothered about close mic'ing the crash cymbals and not paying any consideration to the phase relationship with the snare. i gues sin mixing you eliminate a lot of the snare from the overheads anyway? Great stuff man.
Great question, Adam! I only worry about the snare when I use a traditional spaced pair of overheads (for lighter genres of music). I rarely go that route for heavy production. For heavy music, I close mic the cymbals and use my room mic to glue the sound of my kit together.
I'm 100% that this room isn't dead and dry like you said. Those foams on the wall don't do much. They probably cut some of your highs and hurting the overall sound balance. Without proper acoustic treatment like bass traps and thick acoustic panels, your room can't be dead, quite the opposite.
You are correct, but it doesn't matter. I've recorded countless records in that room and one of the main reasons clients return year after year is because of my drum sounds.
@@FrightboxRecording True it doesn't matter, that wasn't my point. I just didn't like your statement, it wasn't accurate information. That being said, yes it's highlight possible to get a good sound in an untreated room like yours, you're doing it. Good channel btw.
Been following the channel for awhile. This is amazing content and I wanted to say thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have been recording guitar and vocals at home for years but i recently picked up drums and mics so this helps a ton. I love the tip about using cymbal mics opposed to overheads. Im mainly into punk music and i think your suggestion is great as I was using some of the other overhead configurations and I was getting too much hats and other room noise. it's hard to tell exactly from the video but how close do you get to the crashes doing this? Cheers!
So awesome!! So straight forward NO BS! And sounds amazing already! Hey Bobby, quick question. I'm thinking of recording vocals in my suv. Thoughts? Reason being I can't get away with screaming in my house right now due to my wife and kid at home due to covid. I have everything else tracked but was thinking of taking the vocals on an old yamaha AW2400 hard disk then moving the vocals to my PC for editing later? Possible you think? Many Thanks!!
The pre-pro drums were there as a reference for the drummer to learn the parts. He listened to it a bunch of times and then recorded a live drum version of it.
@@FrightboxRecording Oh, so you wrote the drums in ezdrummer and then had a real drummer listen to that and come up with something cool.... love it. Thank you for your response. You vids are golden!
Awesome man, thanks so much! When you close mic your cymbals like this, do you still have to be conscious of the “center” of the stereo field? Or distance between the mics/ distance to the snare?
I only worry about the center when I use a traditional spaced pair of overheads (for lighter genres of music). I rarely go that route for heavy production. For heavy music, I close mic the cymbals and use my room mic to glue the sound of my kit together. In a situation like in this video, there are very little drums in the actual cymbal mic after filtering out the low-end.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I am such a big fan of your channel. Do you have any products I can purchase or a Patreon to show my support? This video is literal gold!
Great video, thanks! Lots to think about. I'm wondering, who did the scratch tracks and where? Also wondering at what stage you did the drum editing? If you have a band booked for the weekend to track a few songs, it's difficult to have time for pre production and to do editing while the band is waiting with their amps buzzing on standby. Just my amateur experience.
Thanks for watching! I set days aside for pre production well before we record for real. Sometimes the bands even do it on their own before they book with me. I always edit drums before tracking guitars, bass and vocals (just like in the vid). I always give myself a few days before we start guitars to be able to go through all of the drum tracks.
@@FrightboxRecording I’ve been doing the scratch tracks live with the band to get the drums and then tracking a few good takes of each instrument after that, but all in one session. I guess I’ll have to spread it out to have more time. Cheers!
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You could record&mix it using reaper to avoid people thinking that protools does some kind of magic!
I've done one on mixing an entire song with only stock reaper plugins, but I love your idea...sounds like a future video!
And so there was a great rejoice among Reaper fans
Yeah... Protoools - famous "industrial standard" whatever it means. And full of version of this software, and full of bullshit. I've chosen Reaper. I bought it, and I'm happy.
I feel like I should have paid for this. There is an abundance of mix tutorials available for free on the web (most of them bad in my opinion) but very rarely do you see footage of the recording process done well and practical. Looking forward to the rest of the series mate!
Cannon movies rocked!!!!
No way, that raw drums sound awesome!
Drum tuning and proper mic placement is everything.
We are really different in our sound choices and taste but your channel reminded me a lot of what is really important and your way of showing things is spot on. Cheers from Israel!
Bobby , you're the best ❤❤❤ I wish you could have done that in Reaper but still you're awesome !!
I have the same presonus monitors haha, awesome video as always man
Bobby, you remain a genius. Thanks for being so transparent and showing us your process end-to-end.
Thanks Leroy!
i just have to say first of all thank you for the content. its obvious your a great engineer and producer.....but your skills as a mucisian and songwriter are very, very top notch. again thanks for the content
Thanks for watching, John!
What a great video. I wish I had this when I started!!
As a self taught drummer a couple hard learned lessons I learned that might also help folks out.
- Get a Tunebot drum tuner and use it. Toms that are tuned to notes and in intervals with each other sound amazing.
- drum performance: any unintentional inconsistency in your dynamics especially on cymbals and snare will sound bad and is painful to fix in post without losing the mojo of the performance.
- Hit your hihat less hard than you think you have to. Just hard enough to get the right sound. You'll muddy up the snare mic.
- for big rock tracks, rim shot all your back beats. It sounds great
Thank you for your efforts, Bobby. Best channel for metal production. Simple yet effective.
Yes! Thank You for show me that i can do this in my studio, this is the Best channel about metal production
Loved this. Can't wait till Weds.
I know most people watching this video have a taste for metal and affiliates, but a great example of pre production can be found easily on Spotify. Check Oasis’s Be Here Now Mustique Demos. Than check the same full produced song. You can see how they worked the song, the panning, the clean and dirty parts, before it was properly tracked. Nowadays, you can get there much faster, considering the album dates back yo 1997.
Huuua those drums are sounding absolutely great! All natural and no triggers...love it! 😍
So helpful!! Thanx. Grate video!
What do you mean "map your tempos"? I just see your session sitting at 165. So you mean you set your tempo?
Sounds good! Great video!
What mic snake are ya using?
That's a very nice idea ! The song is awesome !!!
Amazing video like always Bobby. Thank you so much!!!
This is awesome! 👌
The pre pro already sounds pretty damn good lol, awesome vid.
Another great video. I do the same stuff in Reaper. Except for cutting dead space between toms. I used to do that , but use volume automation instead. Either way works though. It's a matter of preference. Can't wait for the second video.
@@jonathasx I've tried gates on toms. But they can be unreliable especially in fast paced hard music. Snare and cymbals end up triggering them when I don't want them too. There really is no wrong way if it works for you though.
this was great!
Good job !
That was really cool! Thanks man \m/
Yes, finally! Been waiting for this! 😁
This is pure gold! Do you sit in the same room while the drums are recorded? How do you protect your ears and dial in tones? I find this process very hard, as my ears are tired and fatigued very fast.
I always wear earplugs and take them out upon playback. I actually prefer recording drums this way to the traditional way.
The secret to good sounding drums? A good drummer!
Love this video Bobby, really important stuff covered. As I've mentioned before, we are in a very similar setup / situation and are finally dialling in the finishing stages of our drum tracking setup. Interesting that you are more bothered about close mic'ing the crash cymbals and not paying any consideration to the phase relationship with the snare. i gues sin mixing you eliminate a lot of the snare from the overheads anyway?
Great stuff man.
Great question, Adam! I only worry about the snare when I use a traditional spaced pair of overheads (for lighter genres of music). I rarely go that route for heavy production. For heavy music, I close mic the cymbals and use my room mic to glue the sound of my kit together.
@@FrightboxRecording Thanks man, good to know!
most of my recordings are bare bones. i only use the amp sim, a comp and Q3
Good stuff!
I'm 100% that this room isn't dead and dry like you said. Those foams on the wall don't do much. They probably cut some of your highs and hurting the overall sound balance. Without proper acoustic treatment like bass traps and thick acoustic panels, your room can't be dead, quite the opposite.
You are correct, but it doesn't matter. I've recorded countless records in that room and one of the main reasons clients return year after year is because of my drum sounds.
@@FrightboxRecording True it doesn't matter, that wasn't my point. I just didn't like your statement, it wasn't accurate information. That being said, yes it's highlight possible to get a good sound in an untreated room like yours, you're doing it. Good channel btw.
Been following the channel for awhile. This is amazing content and I wanted to say thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have been recording guitar and vocals at home for years but i recently picked up drums and mics so this helps a ton. I love the tip about using cymbal mics opposed to overheads. Im mainly into punk music and i think your suggestion is great as I was using some of the other overhead configurations and I was getting too much hats and other room noise. it's hard to tell exactly from the video but how close do you get to the crashes doing this? Cheers!
I usually aim for 1 - 2' above the cymbals.
So awesome!! So straight forward NO BS! And sounds amazing already! Hey Bobby, quick question. I'm thinking of recording vocals in my suv. Thoughts? Reason being I can't get away with screaming in my house right now due to my wife and kid at home due to covid. I have everything else tracked but was thinking of taking the vocals on an old yamaha AW2400 hard disk then moving the vocals to my PC for editing later? Possible you think?
Many Thanks!!
That'll definitely work!
@@FrightboxRecording then it's a GO!
Great series. Hope this will put you over the 10k subs over the next couple of weeks. Would be well deserved! ;)
Here: Take my like 👍🏻
How did you do pre-production with the band if you used ezdrummer? Did the drummer NOT record during pre-production? Cheers.
The pre-pro drums were there as a reference for the drummer to learn the parts. He listened to it a bunch of times and then recorded a live drum version of it.
@@FrightboxRecording Oh, so you wrote the drums in ezdrummer and then had a real drummer listen to that and come up with something cool.... love it. Thank you for your response. You vids are golden!
Awesome man, thanks so much! When you close mic your cymbals like this, do you still have to be conscious of the “center” of the stereo field? Or distance between the mics/ distance to the snare?
I only worry about the center when I use a traditional spaced pair of overheads (for lighter genres of music). I rarely go that route for heavy production. For heavy music, I close mic the cymbals and use my room mic to glue the sound of my kit together. In a situation like in this video, there are very little drums in the actual cymbal mic after filtering out the low-end.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I am such a big fan of your channel. Do you have any products I can purchase or a Patreon to show my support? This video is literal gold!
Thanks so much! I have courses on my website: www.frightboxrecordingacademy.com/
Great video, thanks! Lots to think about.
I'm wondering, who did the scratch tracks and where? Also wondering at what stage you did the drum editing? If you have a band booked for the weekend to track a few songs, it's difficult to have time for pre production and to do editing while the band is waiting with their amps buzzing on standby. Just my amateur experience.
Thanks for watching! I set days aside for pre production well before we record for real. Sometimes the bands even do it on their own before they book with me. I always edit drums before tracking guitars, bass and vocals (just like in the vid). I always give myself a few days before we start guitars to be able to go through all of the drum tracks.
@@FrightboxRecording I’ve been doing the scratch tracks live with the band to get the drums and then tracking a few good takes of each instrument after that, but all in one session. I guess I’ll have to spread it out to have more time. Cheers!
bobby makes want to learn to be a producer. in my area there are bands (most of which i was in). but none of them have records...untapped market
Looks like you need to step on in!
@@FrightboxRecording i need to
Was your overheads clipping or does it just look like that in PT?
Definitely not clipping. I leave tons of headroom on my cymbals on the way in. I just had the waveforms visually magnified for editing purposes.
@@FrightboxRecording Okey! That's what I thought :)
No drum samples, nice!