Dudamel si going their next director 😮? I'm not sure why that feels like a step up from the LA Phill, prolly bc of the NY Phill's pedigree and history with Bernstein and their discography. But their DG's Mahler 9 with Dudamel was also a great performance and album hands down, i'm glad they put it on the record.
Anscheinend merken Sie nicht wie Dudamel ein unsäglicher Abbado Imitator ist. Ein super super super leidenschaftlicher südländer der trotzdem Abbado imitiert.
Do any of the performers pay attention to the conductor? Do any of them even give him a passing glance? I understand conductors have responsibilities before a performance, but for the life of me, I don't understand what purpose they have actually during a concert.
It's to keep everyone on the same beat and tempo. Given how large orchestras can be, if you're a player on one side of the orchestra, by the time the sound reaches your ears from the other side of the orchestra you, they may actually be on another note. By having the sound concentrate on the conductor, they can make sure it's all coming together at the same time.
@@JuanWayTrips -- That makes sense, but if that's the case, shouldn't the performers be paying more attention to the conductor? They mainly seem to ignore him, concentrating instead on their own playing. And this orchestra doesn't seem exceptional to me. I make it a point of observing musicians' behavior in most of the orchestra videos I click on, since I basically never see musicians respond to conductors at all, and this lack of responsiveness has made me very much want to know just what conductors do on the podium. I've begun to think that, although they might once have had a role to play during concerts or although they might still have a purpose in front of amateurs, the conductors of a professional orchestra today basically do nothing except perform for the audience. Also, it seems to me that if the conductor's only role during a concert is to synchronize a small number of discrete moments (if it were greater than this, I'd expect performers to doggedly track a conductor's every jig of the baton), then having a person on a podium waving his/her arms about might be overkill. In 2023, surely, technologies to assist musicians with synchronization already exist or likely could be developed, no?
It depends on the orchestra's opinion of the conductor. The more they value his/her imput, the more they look. There's not much conducting on this clip, just a lot of crowd-pleasing gesticulating. (You could say that about a lot of Dudamel's conducting).
@@bigbong620 -- If orchestras' attention to a conductor varies as you say, does this conditional attention indicate then that, although good conducting is helpful, the general value of conducting is marginal at best?
@@declup No, a great conductor can make a huge difference. Sadly I can't think of anyone today who qualifies as such. In some circumstances, however, a conductor is indispensable. Large symphonic works by the likes of Bruckner,Mahler,Sibelius.... Accompanying concertos. Operas by Wagner, Verdi, Puccini..... Complicated contemporary works. All of the above would be impossible without a conductor. You might want to listen to different versions of the same works conducted by greats of the past such as Furtwängler, Klemperer, Toscanini, Stokowski etc.... You will hear a huge difference between them.
The Kennedy Center does the same thing and I'm not even sure why I stay subscribed. Everything is a #short. Or, an advertisement for a show that will never be on RUclips.
If you can’t post the entire performance of the symphony, please do not waste my time with 50 second segments. It does nothing for this great symphony and, quite frankly, does nothing to promote the NY Phil.
I believe that showcasing the orchestra through short snippets can encourage non-musicians to attend their performances. As a full-time professional musician, I was not well-acquainted with Mahler 9, but the brief excerpt piqued my interest and I am intrigued to hear more of the composition. However, it's important to note that 50 seconds is not enough to fully grasp the complexity of such a significant piece. Nonetheless, it can inspire curiosity among the general public.
It is a bright, kind of shrill sound at times, but could it be the recording and not the physical hall? I'd have to attend a concert there to know for sure.
@@DavisHMoore Zachary Woolfe in the NY Times wrote on May 20: "...edgy thinness to the orchestra’s sound at full cry, rather than rounded, blended warmth, I felt a revival of my concerns from the fall opening of the renovated Geffen Hall about the space’s clear but stark acoustics." (My interpretation of his wording is that the space lacks enough reverberation)
Huh? Philharmonic Hall of 1962 & then Avery Fisher of 1976 have always been criticized for their acoustics. The 3rd version premiering last yr is a bit better than the first 2 versions. But both a variety of live reviews &,, as another example, the recorded sound in this vid suggest the quality isn't as good as it could be. However, that's true of most concert halls. Acoustics is a tough, complicated science.
The old hall was a disaster. It was super dry and the NY Phil developed a very forced sound - especially in the string section when Glenn Dicterow was concertmaster. He found a way to somehow draw some of the ugliest sounds from his instrument (much like Stern in his later years). Severance Hall in Cleveland where the Cleveland Orchestra plays, has always been better and they are a superior ensemble. I am not sure how this “new” hall is. I haven’t gone yet. It sounds a bit more reverberant than the former hall.
Very mediocre orchestral playing! The NYPO isn't in good shape. Musicians are watching very afraid to their music and Dudamel remains a bad Abbado- imitation. Bernstein, Boulez and Maazel were great MDs ; Gilbert and Dudamel are not and v. Zweden didn't get any change to develop himself with the orchestra....too bad.
Dudamel is just a guest conductor here. He is still with the LA Phil for another year or 2 before moving to the NY Phil. There's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes that Dudamel has not had the chance to do.
As if dudamel has had any time to develop himself with the orchestra haha, you are critizicing him for this orchestra performance although he hasn't worked with them yet as their official conductor, wait till he conducts the NY Phil and only then you can tell
@@maritta01 What a stupid answer! How can you compare 5 or 6 years with v. Zweden with just one week under Dudamel. Jaap did around 30 odd world premieres of contemporary composers. He was constantly opposed by the management cq Debbie Borda. He isn't a star conductor but a very good trainer/ conductor with a strong musical integrity. Dudamel is the superficial starconductor and not in a high esteem in Europe. He was fired on the spot at the Paris opera with 4 more years to go in his contract!
Wonderful performance
Is that Stefan Dohr in the horn section?!?!?
Yep.
Yes!!
No. Thats Johannes Ritkowski.
I was fortunate enough to be there. It was a fantastic performance! The NY Phil is in good hands with their future Music Director, Gustavo Dudamel.
Dudamel si going their next director 😮? I'm not sure why that feels like a step up from the LA Phill, prolly bc of the NY Phill's pedigree and history with Bernstein and their discography.
But their DG's Mahler 9 with Dudamel was also a great performance and album hands down, i'm glad they put it on the record.
La mejor orquesta, el mejor director ❤
If you listen to Movement 3 of the NYC philharmonic recording of fountains of time.
Low Brass at the NYPO are something else.
Not sure why such a short video
Es erinnert an großen, für uns nicht erreichbaren unsterblichen Maestro Bernstein. Trotzdem es ist sehr interessant zu sehen. Danke!
Anscheinend merken Sie nicht wie Dudamel ein unsäglicher Abbado Imitator ist. Ein super super super leidenschaftlicher südländer der trotzdem Abbado imitiert.
Ja,haben Sie Recht! Wie könnte könnte ich das nicht merken???
Do any of the performers pay attention to the conductor? Do any of them even give him a passing glance? I understand conductors have responsibilities before a performance, but for the life of me, I don't understand what purpose they have actually during a concert.
It's to keep everyone on the same beat and tempo. Given how large orchestras can be, if you're a player on one side of the orchestra, by the time the sound reaches your ears from the other side of the orchestra you, they may actually be on another note. By having the sound concentrate on the conductor, they can make sure it's all coming together at the same time.
@@JuanWayTrips -- That makes sense, but if that's the case, shouldn't the performers be paying more attention to the conductor? They mainly seem to ignore him, concentrating instead on their own playing. And this orchestra doesn't seem exceptional to me. I make it a point of observing musicians' behavior in most of the orchestra videos I click on, since I basically never see musicians respond to conductors at all, and this lack of responsiveness has made me very much want to know just what conductors do on the podium. I've begun to think that, although they might once have had a role to play during concerts or although they might still have a purpose in front of amateurs, the conductors of a professional orchestra today basically do nothing except perform for the audience.
Also, it seems to me that if the conductor's only role during a concert is to synchronize a small number of discrete moments (if it were greater than this, I'd expect performers to doggedly track a conductor's every jig of the baton), then having a person on a podium waving his/her arms about might be overkill. In 2023, surely, technologies to assist musicians with synchronization already exist or likely could be developed, no?
It depends on the orchestra's opinion of the conductor. The more they value his/her imput, the more they look. There's not much conducting on this clip, just a lot of crowd-pleasing gesticulating.
(You could say that about a lot of Dudamel's conducting).
@@bigbong620 -- If orchestras' attention to a conductor varies as you say, does this conditional attention indicate then that, although good conducting is helpful, the general value of conducting is marginal at best?
@@declup No, a great conductor can make a huge difference. Sadly I can't think of anyone today who qualifies as such.
In some circumstances, however, a conductor is indispensable.
Large symphonic works by the likes of Bruckner,Mahler,Sibelius....
Accompanying concertos.
Operas by Wagner, Verdi, Puccini.....
Complicated contemporary works.
All of the above would be impossible without a conductor.
You might want to listen to different versions of the same works conducted by greats of the past such as Furtwängler, Klemperer, Toscanini, Stokowski etc....
You will hear a huge difference between them.
We must protest shorts from "serious music."
The Kennedy Center does the same thing and I'm not even sure why I stay subscribed. Everything is a #short. Or, an advertisement for a show that will never be on RUclips.
Shut up.
Too Fast
If you can’t post the entire performance of the symphony, please do not waste my time with 50 second segments. It does nothing for this great symphony and, quite frankly, does nothing to promote the NY Phil.
No one forced you to watch this
I believe that showcasing the orchestra through short snippets can encourage non-musicians to attend their performances. As a full-time professional musician, I was not well-acquainted with Mahler 9, but the brief excerpt piqued my interest and I am intrigued to hear more of the composition. However, it's important to note that 50 seconds is not enough to fully grasp the complexity of such a significant piece. Nonetheless, it can inspire curiosity among the general public.
@@chelseatipton8968 Same here. I'm a professional musician and was not familiar with Mahler 9. I'm definitely going to take a listen later.
Yes it does. You can do both.
What's with the gangster outfits?
This is annoying. Context matters - and this very short clip doesn’t represent this piece or performance well.
Oh calm down and relax. Good grief
The new all black concert attire looks so gloomy.
I still can’t believe Dudamel is downgrading from Disney Hall to the harsh, distorted presentation of Geffen Hall. Must be the money.
It is a bright, kind of shrill sound at times, but could it be the recording and not the physical hall? I'd have to attend a concert there to know for sure.
@@DavisHMoore Zachary Woolfe in the NY Times wrote on May 20: "...edgy thinness to the orchestra’s sound at full cry, rather than rounded, blended warmth, I felt a revival of my concerns from the fall opening of the renovated Geffen Hall about the space’s clear but stark acoustics." (My interpretation of his wording is that the space lacks enough reverberation)
they've done a complete revamp of the hall. 550 million renovation. All reviews I've seen give it high marks
They really messed up the acoustics of what was once a great hall.
Huh? Philharmonic Hall of 1962 & then Avery Fisher of 1976 have always been criticized for their acoustics. The 3rd version premiering last yr is a bit better than the first 2 versions. But both a variety of live reviews &,, as another example, the recorded sound in this vid suggest the quality isn't as good as it could be. However, that's true of most concert halls. Acoustics is a tough, complicated science.
The old hall was a disaster. It was super dry and the NY Phil developed a very forced sound - especially in the string section when Glenn Dicterow was concertmaster. He found a way to somehow draw some of the ugliest sounds from his instrument (much like Stern in his later years). Severance Hall in Cleveland where the Cleveland Orchestra plays, has always been better and they are a superior ensemble. I am not sure how this “new” hall is. I haven’t gone yet. It sounds a bit more reverberant than the former hall.
Very mediocre orchestral playing! The NYPO isn't in good shape. Musicians are watching very afraid to their music and Dudamel remains a bad Abbado- imitation. Bernstein, Boulez and Maazel were great MDs ; Gilbert and Dudamel are not and v. Zweden didn't get any change to develop himself with the orchestra....too bad.
Dudamel is just a guest conductor here. He is still with the LA Phil for another year or 2 before moving to the NY Phil. There's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes that Dudamel has not had the chance to do.
As if dudamel has had any time to develop himself with the orchestra haha, you are critizicing him for this orchestra performance although he hasn't worked with them yet as their official conductor, wait till he conducts the NY Phil and only then you can tell
@@maritta01 What a stupid answer! How can you compare 5 or 6 years with v. Zweden with just one week under Dudamel. Jaap did around 30 odd world premieres of contemporary composers. He was constantly opposed by the management cq Debbie Borda. He isn't a star conductor but a very good trainer/ conductor with a strong musical integrity. Dudamel is the superficial starconductor and not in a high esteem in Europe. He was fired on the spot at the Paris opera with 4 more years to go in his contract!
@@hectorberlioz1449 really, what????... He left the Paris opera, wasn't fired... Enough of this
@@maritta01 read the ( european)newspapers....😖