That CF MOTO will be a great seller in my opinion, and will be the start of a rush of small capacity bikes that can do big highway miles as well as technical offroad jaunts. All of this for under $9000. I am interested
Apart from "You get what you pay for", here's another factor in considering a Chinese-made bike: "The overarching principle of SOE reform is to firmly implement the Party’s leadership and the modern enterprise system. This principle creates a political governance system in China’s SOEs-a Party-dominated governance system characterized by Party leadership, state ownership, Party cadre management, Party participation in corporate decision-making, and intra-Party supervision." en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_China
@@markkitching7469CF Moto make all of the Parallel Twins for KTM 790/890 and the Husky 901. The only twins made in Austria are the V twins. Dont believe me, go and ask your local dealer.
I put my deposit down on the new Himalayan as soon as it was available to order here in Aus. For that price its worth buying to test and live with for a while if I end up not liking it shouldnt be hard to sell on. I agree the reliability factor is an unkown but with a 3 year unlimited klm warranty apart from the inconvenience of a breakdown your pretty much covered for any faults with the bike. They have been working on and testing this new model for over 5 years I am pretty confident they have found and sorted any issues before releasing it.
Great video again. Personally I think that the Chinese offerings are so cheap because they are subsidised in one way or another. They have offered a lot of choice, but when other manufacturers go to the wall we will find ourselves ruefully wishing for the old days.
RE the 390… You know 4x4s have low slung exhausts… water doesn’t go up the exhaust while it’s blowing bubbles mate… The only thing that really matters is the intake location. Personally great design choice getting the pipe out of the way.
Thanks Solid for keeping us up to speed on all the news in 2023, what with all you've got happening personally. 2024 does look like a great year for the lightweight lovers!
I had a chance last month to ride the Smoky Mountain 500 loop here in the US with a couple of friends. I was on my Honda CRF 450RL, one friend on a KLR650 and another on a KLX300. I got to put in miles on all three bikes. First the KLR. It was like getting off a bar stool and sitting down in a lazy boy lounger. Super comfortable! I own a KLR as well and it's my go to ADV if the trip includes a bunch of asphalt. On the KLX, I was impressed by its usable torque everywhere in the rev range and how easy it was to control in the dirt. After riding both, I jumped back on the 450, pulled a wheelie and power sliding through a corner whatched my mates dissappear in my rear view. Between all the bikes you showcased, I'm most interested in the CF Moto 450MT. It's possible that it could be the best of the KLR and the Honda CRF450RL in one inexpensive offering.
Being 74 a low seat has become the most important thing for me. After that comes weight, wind protection, luggage options and enough power to keep up with traffic on American highways.
Solid. Thanks for your efforts in producing quality content. It’s great to see this from an Aussie perspective. Years ago, I was looking at buying a BMW 700GS. Your ‘solid’ review, from a local helped me make the right choice. I did many Kms on that bike, including a road trip to Karijini and back. It wasn’t really made for bush bashing and I ended up buckling the front rim😭I’ve had an AT Adventure Sport the last couple of years, and it’s been a great tourer, just so BIG and heavy I was too scared to go anywhere off road by myself. I’ve moved her on and now I’ve put a deposit down on the new 450 Himalayan. Im looking forward to a smaller lighter bike and heading bush without the worry of being able to pick it up. Keep up the great work and all the best for 2024 🙏👍✅
After discovering your channel, I was hooked. Even when I forgot that I’m a knackered old chubby bloke with creaky knees and was devouring track-bike reviews of supersport screamers, I’d still make sure I watched your news updates and feature videos. In my more realistic moments I am aware that in my late 50s I should probably seek adventure by pottering along some muddy green lanes in Wales and NW England rather than be knee-down around Oulton Park so I’m really enjoying your recent pieces on the new Himalayan and the light ADV/dual-sport alternatives. Congratulations on the parenthood; our lass is 23 and while it’s a cliche, they really do grow up damn quick so savour every moment (while making time for some bike-fun for yourself, obviously!). I don’t even know your name, unless your parents had a bizarre sense of humour and it’s actually Solid but here’s to you buddy.
I have a ten year old Honda nc700x that still gets 75 mpg (U.S.) its a great commuter bike, but I wouldn't take it off road as it's heavy with a lousy suspension. The more new adventure bikes I look into, the more inclined I am to buy a used dual sport like a Honda or Suzuki 650.
I think your evaluation of the up-and-coming brands is spot on. as much as I distrust Chinese products Overall, they appear to be making good headway in the quality department. I think you’re right.. I think they could indeed become the next “Japanese brands”. it will be exciting to see.
the chinese will succeed on cheap prices of inferior products alone. No innovation,backwards step for motorcycling.Lets not mention human rights either. Huge regret when the Japanese withdraw from the market
Thank you so much for all your informative, interesting and well done videos. It's been a pleasure to following you 2023, and I will certainly follow you closely even in 2024. I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New year! All the best! / Lone
Thanks for another great video. Not sure how you can say India's motorcycle industry isn't far behind China's though. To me it''s clear that China is the one that is behind. India has more big brands getting their bikes made there plus it has it''s own big brand; Royal Enfield.
Agree regarding the gentleman pace of the himalayan, loved the original have an order placed for the new. It seems that we make choices for all sorts of reasons, all these bikes you've mentioned are going to be good. I made my choice. Thanks
CF Moto 450MT will sell really well. Everyone knows about their links with KTM, but how many people know of CF Moto joining forces with Yamaha? The stigma surrounding Chinese built bikes will soon be a thing of the past.
All the best in the new year for your family! And while I agree with your assessment that the chinese manufacturers are trying to take an increasingly larger market share, the 'legacy' Japanese and European brands are here to stay, and will keep finding buyers in the first world at least. My Honda CRF300 and Moto Guzzi will never be swapped for any chinese product, regardless of their price and features. Additionally, chinese manufacturers won't be able to undercut legacy manufacturers on price forever, as labor costs in China are steadily increasing, and legacy brands do more of their manufacturing in lower cost countries.
Sir! Let me tell you one thing after off roading for about 45 years: The exhaust position is totally irrelevant for water crossings: exhaust pressure will present water from going in the exhaust, as long as the engine is running. If you stall your engine and tip over into that river, your exhaust will be full of water, no matter where it was in the first place when the bike was upright. But there is a huge advantage for a lower exhaust on any motorcycle that is designed for traveling: more space on the exhaust side for panniers. Too low….and off course rocks can hit it…All the best T.
Love the 450MT, enjoy the ergonomics on the adventure bike, I think there is option for 800mm seatheight which is good news for but I wish it has lower like 750mm. Will use mainly for on road so hopefully they have road bias version with 19-17 rims configuration of gold color tubeless spoke rims 😍😍😍
Nice video. I think 2024 will be the year I get into adventure riding after almost 15 years on road. Currently have the street bike up for sale. I was fairly set on the cb500x however the new Himalayan absolutely has my eye. I love how it looks and it seems to be a big step up from the old one in all the right ways, including power which is one of the reasons I initially wrote them off. The CF Moto seems interesting, don't know if I trust the brand as I have heard tales of reliability issues.
I'm looking for great things from Kove, because it's driven by the dreams of an individual motorcyclist... Not corporate machine seeking unit sales.... They've got a 450 motocrosser and their rally bike, likely to edge out all competition❤
Personally as a newbie to driving (I’m 16 and got my L early this year). Once I get my N I plan on also getting my motorcycle license as my family also rides. The CF Moto 450MT really looks quite interesting with A- the price B- the specs. As someone who wants to get into adventure riding, 2024 seems like an amazing year for the smaller adv bikes as from when I started looking the offerings in 2020-23 were basically non existent. 2024 seem like a amazing year for the small adv bikes with the manufacturers looking more towards the beginners and people who are looking to downgrade to something smaller.
As an owner of an Indian built ktm390adv and a Chinese built ktm790adv I definitely think you’re right about the change that’s probably coming, the quality and reliability of both my bikes has been perfect so far and believe me they have been really used . Have a great 2024 and keep up the great work 🏍👍
Amen, brother-man. Couldn’t agree more with everything you just said about the bikes and about the outgoing year. Cheers to the small bore in twenty twenty-four! Party on. 🎉
In 2021 I wanted a single cylinder lightweight adventure bike in Europe. Basically the available options were CRF300 and KTM690/701. I got lucky, I managed to get an AJP PR7. But now all these options... :) I hope you will be able cover every new bike :)
We went from not having many options to many options for light weight adv's. I've been waiting for the new Himalayan since the day I heard it rumored to be. I might have to do some.... research on the KTM and Cf moto when they become available in the states. If I compare these bikes to the Himalayan I know for sure the KTM will out perform both bikes off road and in a straight line, the Cf moto is full of character and that's what I look for in a bike especially with that exhaust note. The Himalayan will be the most comfortable to ride for going the distance. I own a klr650, I use it as an adventure touring bike for all my moto camping trips. I would like a bike more capable off road but still can hop on the highway and put some miles down. The KTM is calling my name.
I think the CFMoto and Royal Enfield will be huge sellers for $9k I like the look of both but the cf might be my choice with the twin cylinder motor. Ktm better make theirs cheap enough or they won’t be in the game imo. I like what I’m seeing in the market right now.
how much is a T7 compared to the MT450? More than 2x in 2024....So If you believe the T7 is double the bike then feel free to pay $20500AUD for the power to weight
it's also twice the price. personally i think 45hp is enough for getting around. people have plenty of fun on crf 300 rallys. sure a t7 might put more of a smile on your face when you twist the throttle on the pavement but that extra 12kg will be felt off road too.
Went to look at some cf moto bikes earlier today and was a little discouraged when I looked at there line up and going 4 out of 10 leaking coolant on the show room floor.
Small displacement ADV bikes = more realistic expectations of how these bikes get used in the real world. But manufacturers will give us ads with a pro rider flying Dakar style at 80mph over some desert prairie and doing a wheelie at the top of a dune. Reality, a muddy slippery logging road at 8mph and loaded down with camping gear 25 miles from the next fuel stop. Out here the initial price of the bike doesn't matter much, but getting home does. I'll take the most reliable with a decent sized fuel tank.
Solid love your focus on light weight bikes but in your upcoming India video please highlight true market competition coming from India VS the state sponsored artificial competition coming from China (CCP).
I would like to see Chinese companies take pride and ownership of their products just like the Japanese eventually did. I would not have a problem buying a quality Chinese product if available. Also, I like your straight forward presentation and opinions.
Hey Solid, been a while since ive gotten to sit and listen to your updates. Another great one for sure. Do you think that with China and India stepping up and being a force, will make Japan and Europe take a step back and assess pricing, options and availability? Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. Cheers from Florida
Thanks Mike, merry Xmas to you and yours. i'd be lying if I said I knew which way its going to go with the industry. My guess is prices won't drop but perhaps feature sets and more variety will be the result from Japan.
Merry Christmas to you and your family Solid🙏🏻. Your content is one of the best on YT, although Aus related 🤷♂️. but none the less, still solid viable information. Being a former KLR 🐖 owner which was a decent in town commuter bike, , I'd never willingly tour on one 🐷 ever again. Torturous and frustrating. For some crazy reason I find the Himalayan 452 strangely appealing. 🤷♂️ idk. I'd like to ride one to satisfy my curiosity. And,, Happy New Year Amigo. Cheers 🍻, G. In beautiful Boulder City Nv. USA 🇺🇸
Greetings Solid! Wishing you and hour Family a Happy Christmas. Thanks for an amazing year of providing us all the information on equipment and bikes during this year! Safe Travels. David.....Adelaide/Kilburn.....Triumph Street Scrambler 900.........
Thank you. It would be great if you could devote some of the videos, from 2024, testing bikes on the road and get info not from the internet but from the asphalt.
I'm waiting for new adv 390 to launch . I'm from India and i doubt about cf moto 450 mt launch in here . Anyway I'll wait till june hope 390 adv launches soon
When does an andventure bike become dual sport? If the KTM 450 Rally is lighter than the 390 adventure I think I would call it dual sport. Probably nice and fun offroad but less attracktive on the highway.
The japanese dominated the market through innovation and better quality products. The indian and chinese manufacturers are relying purely on cheap price. Nothing there to celebrate
Agreed - Can’t bring myself to take advantage of what is essentially a slave labour product in both cases. A degrading caste system in one case and repressive communist system in the other.
That CF MOTO will be a great seller in my opinion, and will be the start of a rush of small capacity bikes that can do big highway miles as well as technical offroad jaunts. All of this for under $9000. I am interested
How about not. I know they are cheaper for lot of you but ...
Is it the CF Moto version of the new KTM 390?
@OlaCurtius ktm 390 is Indian made its the 790 that's made by cfmoto but then this new model could be built by cfmoto too maybe.
Apart from "You get what you pay for", here's another factor in considering a Chinese-made bike:
"The overarching principle of SOE reform is to firmly implement the Party’s leadership and the modern enterprise system. This principle creates a political governance system in China’s SOEs-a Party-dominated governance system characterized by Party leadership, state ownership, Party cadre management, Party participation in corporate decision-making, and intra-Party supervision."
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_enterprises_of_China
@@markkitching7469CF Moto make all of the Parallel Twins for KTM 790/890 and the Husky 901. The only twins made in Austria are the V twins. Dont believe me, go and ask your local dealer.
I put my deposit down on the new Himalayan as soon as it was available to order here in Aus. For that price its worth buying to test and live with for a while if I end up not liking it shouldnt be hard to sell on. I agree the reliability factor is an unkown but with a 3 year unlimited klm warranty apart from the inconvenience of a breakdown your pretty much covered for any faults with the bike. They have been working on and testing this new model for over 5 years I am pretty confident they have found and sorted any issues before releasing it.
Absolutely agree with you mate✅ I’ve done the same. And can’t wait for March 👍👍
Great video again.
Personally I think that the Chinese offerings are so cheap because they are subsidised in one way or another. They have offered a lot of choice, but when other manufacturers go to the wall we will find ourselves ruefully wishing for the old days.
correct
100%
RE the 390… You know 4x4s have low slung exhausts… water doesn’t go up the exhaust while it’s blowing bubbles mate… The only thing that really matters is the intake location. Personally great design choice getting the pipe out of the way.
Thanks Solid for keeping us up to speed on all the news in 2023, what with all you've got happening personally. 2024 does look like a great year for the lightweight lovers!
Thanks mate, and cheers for the bike stories you send through👍
Can’t wait to see your 2024 productions solid! Keep up the good work.👌
I had a chance last month to ride the Smoky Mountain 500 loop here in the US with a couple of friends. I was on my Honda CRF 450RL, one friend on a KLR650 and another on a KLX300. I got to put in miles on all three bikes. First the KLR. It was like getting off a bar stool and sitting down in a lazy boy lounger. Super comfortable! I own a KLR as well and it's my go to ADV if the trip includes a bunch of asphalt. On the KLX, I was impressed by its usable torque everywhere in the rev range and how easy it was to control in the dirt. After riding both, I jumped back on the 450, pulled a wheelie and power sliding through a corner whatched my mates dissappear in my rear view. Between all the bikes you showcased, I'm most interested in the CF Moto 450MT. It's possible that it could be the best of the KLR and the Honda CRF450RL in one inexpensive offering.
Cant forget the kove 800x rally, with a claimed 386lbs wet weight! Thats lighter than all the bikes mentioned here except for the 390 adv.
Dry. 403 wet
@@Matthew-zw9su thats not what it said on the sign at eicma… if 409 the latest revision, i expect further revisions of the wet weight, soon to be 449…
Hi Solid. Thank you for all your vids this year. I am thinking less about bikes and more about trips in 2024. Happy Christmas to you all.
Thanks Will, enjoy the adventures!
Being 74 a low seat has become the most important thing for me. After that comes weight, wind protection, luggage options and enough power to keep up with traffic on American highways.
Thanks for al the work you do to provide timely, informative and sometimes funny videos. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family.
Cheers Steve 🍻
Doing a great job man! Love the exposure to bikes I wouldn’t normally hear about or research on my own. Cheers to 2024 and the adventures ahead!
Thanks mate👍
Solid. Thanks for your efforts in producing quality content. It’s great to see this from an Aussie perspective. Years ago, I was looking at buying a BMW 700GS. Your ‘solid’ review, from a local helped me make the right choice. I did many Kms on that bike, including a road trip to Karijini and back. It wasn’t really made for bush bashing and I ended up buckling the front rim😭I’ve had an AT Adventure Sport the last couple of years, and it’s been a great tourer, just so BIG and heavy I was too scared to go anywhere off road by myself. I’ve moved her on and now I’ve put a deposit down on the new 450 Himalayan. Im looking forward to a smaller lighter bike and heading bush without the worry of being able to pick it up. Keep up the great work and all the best for 2024 🙏👍✅
Thanks Wade, enjoy the 450. Let me know how you find it👍
After discovering your channel, I was hooked. Even when I forgot that I’m a knackered old chubby bloke with creaky knees and was devouring track-bike reviews of supersport screamers, I’d still make sure I watched your news updates and feature videos. In my more realistic moments I am aware that in my late 50s I should probably seek adventure by pottering along some muddy green lanes in Wales and NW England rather than be knee-down around Oulton Park so I’m really enjoying your recent pieces on the new Himalayan and the light ADV/dual-sport alternatives. Congratulations on the parenthood; our lass is 23 and while it’s a cliche, they really do grow up damn quick so savour every moment (while making time for some bike-fun for yourself, obviously!). I don’t even know your name, unless your parents had a bizarre sense of humour and it’s actually Solid but here’s to you buddy.
I have a ten year old Honda nc700x that still gets 75 mpg (U.S.) its a great commuter bike, but I wouldn't take it off road as it's heavy with a lousy suspension. The more new adventure bikes I look into, the more inclined I am to buy a used dual sport like a Honda or Suzuki 650.
I think your evaluation of the up-and-coming brands is spot on.
as much as I distrust Chinese products Overall, they appear to be making good headway in the quality department.
I think you’re right.. I think they could indeed become the next “Japanese brands”. it will be exciting to see.
the chinese will succeed on cheap prices of inferior products alone. No innovation,backwards step for motorcycling.Lets not mention human rights either. Huge regret when the Japanese withdraw from the market
Now for the new drz and wr300r... great video as always 👍
You are a great content creator.... keep up the great work and 2024 will be a breeze for you!
Thanks👍
Here's to a great 2024 Solid! Thanks for what you do.
Cheers Bill, thanks for the support👍
Thank you so much for all your informative, interesting and well done videos. It's been a pleasure to following you 2023, and I will certainly follow you closely even in 2024.
I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New year! All the best! / Lone
Thanks for the support mate. Enjoy your Christmas🎄
Well done,
Regards from the
North Rocky Mountains UssA 😊
Merry Christmas Solid!
🎄👍
Thanks for another great video. Not sure how you can say India's motorcycle industry isn't far behind China's though. To me it''s clear that China is the one that is behind.
India has more big brands getting their bikes made there plus it has it''s own big brand; Royal Enfield.
Cheers Godfrey
Agree regarding the gentleman pace of the himalayan, loved the original have an order placed for the new.
It seems that we make choices for all sorts of reasons, all these bikes you've mentioned are going to be good.
I made my choice.
Thanks
You are a great comunicator. I really enjoy your videos! keep on rocking in 2024!
Thanks mate👍
CF Moto 450MT will sell really well. Everyone knows about their links with KTM, but how many people know of CF Moto joining forces with Yamaha? The stigma surrounding Chinese built bikes will soon be a thing of the past.
All the best in the new year for your family! And while I agree with your assessment that the chinese manufacturers are trying to take an increasingly larger market share, the 'legacy' Japanese and European brands are here to stay, and will keep finding buyers in the first world at least. My Honda CRF300 and Moto Guzzi will never be swapped for any chinese product, regardless of their price and features. Additionally, chinese manufacturers won't be able to undercut legacy manufacturers on price forever, as labor costs in China are steadily increasing, and legacy brands do more of their manufacturing in lower cost countries.
Sir! Let me tell you one thing after off roading for about 45 years: The exhaust position is totally irrelevant for water crossings: exhaust pressure will present water from going in the exhaust, as long as the engine is running. If you stall your engine and tip over into that river, your exhaust will be full of water, no matter where it was in the first place when the bike was upright. But there is a huge advantage for a lower exhaust on any motorcycle that is designed for traveling: more space on the exhaust side for panniers. Too low….and off course rocks can hit it…All the best T.
Love the 450MT, enjoy the ergonomics on the adventure bike, I think there is option for 800mm seatheight which is good news for but I wish it has lower like 750mm. Will use mainly for on road so hopefully they have road bias version with 19-17 rims configuration of gold color tubeless spoke rims 😍😍😍
Nice video. I think 2024 will be the year I get into adventure riding after almost 15 years on road. Currently have the street bike up for sale. I was fairly set on the cb500x however the new Himalayan absolutely has my eye. I love how it looks and it seems to be a big step up from the old one in all the right ways, including power which is one of the reasons I initially wrote them off. The CF Moto seems interesting, don't know if I trust the brand as I have heard tales of reliability issues.
Thanks for a great year of videos.
I'm looking for great things from Kove, because it's driven by the dreams of an individual motorcyclist... Not corporate machine seeking unit sales.... They've got a 450 motocrosser and their rally bike, likely to edge out all competition❤
Thanks!
Magic, thanks Paul👍
@@chroniclesofsolid- Not much but appreciate the effort you put into your channel👍
Solid news.
Personally as a newbie to driving (I’m 16 and got my L early this year). Once I get my N I plan on also getting my motorcycle license as my family also rides. The CF Moto 450MT really looks quite interesting with A- the price B- the specs. As someone who wants to get into adventure riding, 2024 seems like an amazing year for the smaller adv bikes as from when I started looking the offerings in 2020-23 were basically non existent. 2024 seem like a amazing year for the small adv bikes with the manufacturers looking more towards the beginners and people who are looking to downgrade to something smaller.
Great time to be a beginner getting into bike. So much choice🎄
The issue with the RE is going to be the sitting mechanics for taller riders. Current 411 is cramped if you're tall.
As an owner of an Indian built ktm390adv and a Chinese built ktm790adv I definitely think you’re right about the change that’s probably coming, the quality and reliability of both my bikes has been perfect so far and believe me they have been really used . Have a great 2024 and keep up the great work 🏍👍
Amen, brother-man. Couldn’t agree more with everything you just said about the bikes and about the outgoing year. Cheers to the small bore in twenty twenty-four! Party on. 🎉
Thanks mate🎄
In 2021 I wanted a single cylinder lightweight adventure bike in Europe. Basically the available options were CRF300 and KTM690/701. I got lucky, I managed to get an AJP PR7. But now all these options... :) I hope you will be able cover every new bike :)
We went from not having many options to many options for light weight adv's. I've been waiting for the new Himalayan since the day I heard it rumored to be. I might have to do some.... research on the KTM and Cf moto when they become available in the states. If I compare these bikes to the Himalayan I know for sure the KTM will out perform both bikes off road and in a straight line, the Cf moto is full of character and that's what I look for in a bike especially with that exhaust note. The Himalayan will be the most comfortable to ride for going the distance. I own a klr650, I use it as an adventure touring bike for all my moto camping trips. I would like a bike more capable off road but still can hop on the highway and put some miles down. The KTM is calling my name.
I think the CFMoto and Royal Enfield will be huge sellers for $9k
I like the look of both but the cf might be my choice with the twin cylinder motor.
Ktm better make theirs cheap enough or they won’t be in the game imo.
I like what I’m seeing in the market right now.
The CF Moto price tag is going to be a massive winner for the bike.
The Squid riding the 390 on leathers tho 😅
Great job
Exciting moto trends for 2024 finally!
Solid.... Your best vid yet! Of course it's not bad to have such great content
Thanks 👍
Have a great new year. Cheers Pete
Same to you!
Thank you very much for your work!!!
❤❤❤❤❤
one of my new favorite channels mate!
Cheers🎄
I'm stepping up from my CB500X to the Transalp...
Hoping for the 2024 Africa Twin comes to the US 🤞
Thanks for another great video.
I’m sticking with my Himalayan 411 for now as I love the simplicity.
Great perspective mate! Have a great Christmas.
👍🎄
Thanks for your vids solid. I'm going to get a test ride on the translap, I doubt I'll buy one next year though.
I need to get a test ride in 24 as well :-)
I like the MT450 but it’s to heavy for the HP, consider a T7 weights a little bit more and a lot more HP
how much is a T7 compared to the MT450? More than 2x in 2024....So If you believe the T7 is double the bike then feel free to pay $20500AUD for the power to weight
it's also twice the price. personally i think 45hp is enough for getting around. people have plenty of fun on crf 300 rallys. sure a t7 might put more of a smile on your face when you twist the throttle on the pavement but that extra 12kg will be felt off road too.
Thanks Solid
Have a merry Xmas
Same to you 👍
Thanks for all your vids in 2023! Always enjoy them
Cheers Dylan🎄
Excellent video. Am gonna buy one of these next year but which to choose. Subscribed.
1 of each😈
Solid, solid!
Awesomeness for the algorithm!
Went to look at some cf moto bikes earlier today and was a little discouraged when I looked at there line up and going 4 out of 10 leaking coolant on the show room floor.
I always appreciate your videos. I look forward to your 2024 content!
Thanks for the support👍
I just bought a 1250GS Adventure. That’s my unicorn😂😂😂
Cheers Solid. Thanks for all the content this past year. Next year will be plain sailing Mate.
Thanks 🤞🤞🍻
I’m going with ktm 390 adventure.🎉
It’s a KTM. It’ll spend more time with spammer on it than riding it.👍🏽
bullshit, only clueless idiots think that.
Hello 😊to you sir
Nick from Los Angeles
👍🦘🇦🇺
Great episode, loving the new bikes coming out!
Would think that kawa would build a 450/500 versys😮
Small displacement ADV bikes = more realistic expectations of how these bikes get used in the real world. But manufacturers will give us ads with a pro rider flying Dakar style at 80mph over some desert prairie and doing a wheelie at the top of a dune. Reality, a muddy slippery logging road at 8mph and loaded down with camping gear 25 miles from the next fuel stop. Out here the initial price of the bike doesn't matter much, but getting home does. I'll take the most reliable with a decent sized fuel tank.
Have a happy Christmas to you and you family look forward to next year and I totally agreed with small bike are the way to go
And to you and yours Keith
Solid love your focus on light weight bikes but in your upcoming India video please highlight true market competition coming from India VS the state sponsored artificial competition coming from China (CCP).
I would like to see Chinese companies take pride and ownership of their products just like the Japanese eventually did. I would not have a problem buying a quality Chinese product if available. Also, I like your straight forward presentation and opinions.
Hey Solid, been a while since ive gotten to sit and listen to your updates. Another great one for sure. Do you think that with China and India stepping up and being a force, will make Japan and Europe take a step back and assess pricing, options and availability?
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family. Cheers from Florida
Thanks Mike, merry Xmas to you and yours. i'd be lying if I said I knew which way its going to go with the industry. My guess is prices won't drop but perhaps feature sets and more variety will be the result from Japan.
Some interesting bikes there for the price. But I won't be getting rid of my Tenere 700 anytime soon.
Merry Christmas to you and your family Solid🙏🏻. Your content is one of the best on YT, although Aus related 🤷♂️. but none the less, still solid viable information.
Being a former KLR 🐖 owner which was a decent in town commuter bike, , I'd never willingly tour on one 🐷 ever again. Torturous and frustrating.
For some crazy reason I find the Himalayan 452 strangely appealing.
🤷♂️ idk.
I'd like to ride one to satisfy my curiosity.
And,, Happy New Year Amigo.
Cheers 🍻, G.
In beautiful Boulder City Nv. USA 🇺🇸
Thanks mate, Merry Christmas from OZ🇦🇺
It’s been my pleasure in’23 to start most every Saturday morning with Adv News. Thanks Solid✊🏼
Thanks mate 🎄🍻
Happy Xmas to you and yours from Ireland
Merry Xmas from OZ🙃
Greetings Solid! Wishing you and hour Family a Happy Christmas. Thanks for an amazing year of providing us all the information on equipment and bikes during this year! Safe Travels. David.....Adelaide/Kilburn.....Triumph Street Scrambler 900.........
Thanks Dave🎄
Merry Christmas COS & family. 450MT already pre-ordered 👌
And to you and yours Steve. Let me know how you find the MT👍
@@chroniclesofsolid not arriving till March 24🤦♂️
Enjoy your work, keep it up!
Thanks for watching!
450MT Takes the crown
The contender of the year : made in China vs made in India. KTM 390 made in India.
+1 on low exhaust on water x-ings. If you stall there wouldn't be restarting.
Merry Xmas to you and your family!
Thank you. It would be great if you could devote some of the videos, from 2024, testing bikes on the road and get info not from the internet but from the asphalt.
That is the plan and ordinarily what I would do but time has been short this year!
Great video!
So many new prospective bikes, spoilt for choice! What to choose, what to choose???
One of each David!
I think you must check out the Fantic Caballero 500 Rally
Ridden and reviewed 👍
Keen to see what this KTM dual sport is all about. Close to putting pre-release deposit on 450MT. Just can’t give up my tweaked CRF300 Rally…
Good problem to have choosing between those 3
😂 your videos are outstanding. Thanks for making them..
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I'm waiting for new adv 390 to launch . I'm from India and i doubt about cf moto 450 mt launch in here . Anyway I'll wait till june hope 390 adv launches soon
When will the United States get this CF Moto 450 MT???
We have a local CFMoto dealer so I might start hanging out there and wait for the 450MT.
Great more Chinese stuff in the country!
When does an andventure bike become dual sport? If the KTM 450 Rally is lighter than the 390 adventure I think I would call it dual sport. Probably nice and fun offroad but less attracktive on the highway.
I’m excited for the CFmoto, just waiting to see the weight and how it feels against something like the tenere 700
The japanese dominated the market through innovation and better quality products. The indian and chinese manufacturers are relying purely on cheap price. Nothing there to celebrate
@@azz1azz or look at it this way....privileged buyers taking advantage of less fortunates labours?
Agreed - Can’t bring myself to take advantage of what is essentially a slave labour product in both cases. A degrading caste system in one case and repressive communist system in the other.
Don't forget CFMOTO is KTM with that Juan or what spanish brakes... There are already a few videos out there about those brakes...
the bike that we want already exists it's called Honda XR 650R with an electric start and that's it you got it
I’m not sure if you know but, the current 390 already has 44hp and 37nm , it’s on ktm’s website, plus we already have a sw model for a knowledge base
Finally ktm is heading in the right direction ❤