057: Martin MacDonald - diet as aggressively as you can without losing muscle

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  • Опубликовано: 3 ноя 2024

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  • @ReviveStronger
    @ReviveStronger  6 лет назад +57

    Time Stamps
    10:53 How the MNU developed into what it is
    17:33 Martin's views on aggressive dieting & how to go about it
    25:36 The issue with non-individualised fat loss rates
    31:52 The key to aggressive dieting

    • @Daan6661
      @Daan6661 5 лет назад +5

      Revive Stronger damn wish I saw this before the end of the video 😂

  • @mikehirst
    @mikehirst 6 лет назад +74

    I just want to applaud you for including timestamps the way you do. I love listening to full interviews, but sometimes I want to go back to a topic and without a timestamp, I'd never find the bit I'm looking for.

  • @Jake-mc8te
    @Jake-mc8te Год назад +7

    This is SOOOO true! It's legitimately hard to lose muscle, people deep down know they aren't that muscular and are afraid to face the facts.

  • @fesaknorko
    @fesaknorko 7 лет назад +40

    Martin MacDonald "Natural bodybuilding more than anything sucks, because you look RUBBISH in clothes when you diet" this one is memorable LOLOLOLOL :D :D :D excellent video !

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад +6

      Some truth to it though^^

    • @davisnattygainz5012
      @davisnattygainz5012 4 года назад

      Facts man it's a pretty miserable feeling lol

    • @Leo-yn5fx
      @Leo-yn5fx 4 года назад

      why do you care about that

    • @entitiessoul
      @entitiessoul 3 года назад

      There is always some that defiy this theory.

  • @XTheSpartanX7
    @XTheSpartanX7 5 лет назад +9

    I literally sit here and write notes while listening to your podcasts. Never thought I would be someone that took notes voluntarily. Keep up the amazing work !!!!

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  5 лет назад +4

      Great to hear! And there are plenty of more episodes ;)
      - Pascal

  • @grizzlymanverneteil4443
    @grizzlymanverneteil4443 5 лет назад +31

    When I get under 20% I freak that I'm losing too much muscle. Been on a bulk for 15 years

  • @BMSPowerlifting
    @BMSPowerlifting 7 лет назад +10

    Martin knows his stuff. Haven't heard a bad word about his course.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад

      Me neither. He's a really good and knowledgeable man!

  • @Pojtek
    @Pojtek 7 лет назад +25

    Content starts at 18:00.

  • @Davichiz
    @Davichiz Год назад +1

    This is great. I've always cut aggressively honestly because I don't have the patience to sit it out for weeks at end. I'd much rather suffer a hard 8 weeks and go back to maint than diet for 25 weeks straight barely seeing a difference.
    I've always wondered why people say muscle memory is a thing and you can regain lost tissue pretty fast but also then talk about cutting for months on end to save muscle loss. Wouldn't it just be better to get the cut over and done with asap and if you did lose some muscle you can regain it back while at maint or bulking again. I also think aslong as you're actually training as hard as you always have you shouldn't be losing significant muscle mass when cutting anyway.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  Год назад +2

      IMO best is to diet as aggressively as you can, whilst maintaining muscle, so you don't lose time gaining muscle back. - Steve

    • @Davichiz
      @Davichiz Год назад

      @@ReviveStronger hey Steve thanks for the reply. I shot you a DM on insta a couple hours ago. Hope you don't mind and if you're busy feel free to ignore it.

  • @jamesbrannigan706
    @jamesbrannigan706 7 лет назад +3

    informative, easy to listen to & to understand... as it always is
    you've got this shit sorted, I can listen to stuff on here that isn't really that pertinent to me - yet still enjoy it & learn something every time..
    nice one mate !

  • @jurisskribans
    @jurisskribans 7 лет назад +2

    Glad I accidentally came across Martin on Facebook - nice to see someone who has walked the walk mixing it up with the science. Might finish my MSc in sports nutrition and take up his course as well lol

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад

      You won't regret it. Only heard fantastic reviews about it

  • @Jckd_0_Lntrn
    @Jckd_0_Lntrn 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sept 18th i was 235. 3 months later im 180, the lowest ive been 30 years. Basically starved myself and went to the gym 2 days a week. Oh, im 41 and 5'7

    • @befree9579
      @befree9579 5 месяцев назад

      did you manage to maintain the 180?

    • @Jckd_0_Lntrn
      @Jckd_0_Lntrn 5 месяцев назад

      @@befree9579 I'm 165 now ;)

  • @pollo1985
    @pollo1985 7 лет назад +5

    Awesome job Steve I really love your content... keep with the hard work and the amazing guests

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад +1

      Thanks a lot! We're putting a lot of work into it :)

  • @hunterbrunk4035
    @hunterbrunk4035 7 лет назад +3

    Just wanted to show my support because i freaking love the podcast thanks for doing it!

  • @vnmas
    @vnmas 7 лет назад +6

    Man that podcast was amazing brother! Really enjoyed it 👍

  • @lobster353
    @lobster353 7 лет назад +6

    this channel is amazing keep Up the good work man

  • @diyalim8567
    @diyalim8567 7 лет назад +5

    This my life right now!!! And it's a reality check. Thanks for sharing.

  • @Deviliumrei
    @Deviliumrei 7 лет назад +6

    This channel is awesome! Great information, subbed!

  • @First2Ki11
    @First2Ki11 7 лет назад +3

    Thank you so much for all these videos. Great work man.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад

      Bernardo, it's out pleasure and thanks a lot for your support!

  • @abuamina112
    @abuamina112 3 года назад +2

    This info is amazing! Thank you revive stronger:-)
    I just wanted to know how much protein in a calorie deficit (with high fat %) is it 1.4 pr kg or 2.4? He says both numbers? Or did i get it wrong?

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  3 года назад +2

      Definitely 2.4, 1.4 would put you on a very low protein intake!
      - Coach Jess

  • @tonyhumphreys809
    @tonyhumphreys809 7 лет назад +3

    This is brilliant, especially as I had a dexa scan on Wednesday 💪🏻

  • @ssdabel
    @ssdabel 7 лет назад +19

    excellent

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад +2

      Abel, hearing that from you means a lot!

  • @HopingforPower
    @HopingforPower 4 года назад +3

    Quality content, as always. Thanks for this

  • @thosekids321
    @thosekids321 4 года назад +3

    Love the use of studies and stats. Great podcast

  • @saniyauzumaki
    @saniyauzumaki 5 лет назад +1

    I hope I am not too late to ask this question, what would be the percentage of calorie restriction be termed as aggressive dieting or vlcd by research in rapid or fast weight loss?

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  5 лет назад +1

      You're absolutely not :)
      There won't be a specific % you'll find in research. Even "high protein intake" is highly variable in studies. That being said, I think everything above 30% becomes "high" imo
      - Pascal

  • @razvanimal8690
    @razvanimal8690 6 лет назад +17

    Although the feedback is mostly positive for this podcast, it's the first one I disliked on the channel Steve. I simply don't resonate with Martin's style and just feel he's all over the place and almost dodgy when you ask him questions. For instance, according to the time stamps, between 17:33 and 25:36 he's supposed to talk about aggressive dieting, but if you listen closely, he goes on a bunch of tangents, ending up barely scratching the question.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  6 лет назад +9

      Fair enough, you don't have to resonate with every individual out there. That's the true spirit of the science based crowd.

    • @sleeve1259
      @sleeve1259 5 лет назад +6

      Well then let me clear it up for ya. Bulk how you feel you like to bulk and then when you are ready to cut, PROLONG FAST ON SALT WATER until you are shredded and muscle will be maximally spared wayyyy better that if you were to slow diet over something like 18 weeks. IF the body goes I to fasting forced ketosis, the human body will chew fat first until it's ALL gone then muscle! ......it's the way

    • @Wildkoala1
      @Wildkoala1 5 лет назад

      SLEEVE 12 what?

    • @deejayspillz
      @deejayspillz 5 лет назад

      SLEEVE 12 😂😂😂

    • @djmsup
      @djmsup 4 года назад

      @@sleeve1259 Put that crack pipe down buddy

  • @6maxgrinder549
    @6maxgrinder549 6 лет назад +1

    I've always believed that muscle loss is impossible if you are at 10% body fat and higher. And for non competitors, nobody is as lean as 10% body fat, therefore, nobody has to ever worry about muscle loss.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  6 лет назад +6

      These things are highly individual. The only thing anyone can do is to do it as intelligently as possible.
      - Coach Pascal

  • @LarryShipeWorld
    @LarryShipeWorld 4 месяца назад

    When he mentions a guy named "Lyle" around the 28:30 marker, is that Lyle Mcdonald? Or a different Lyle?

  • @djmsup
    @djmsup 4 года назад

    Let's say I decide to implement the "least aggressive" rate of fat loss by choosing the divisor as 20 (from the range of 13-20). Would I simply continue to lose weight at this rate? For me, the rate works out to be 2.3lbs/week of fat loss. Would I need to be aware of the time-frame where this loss rate of 2.3lbs/week actually becomes the upper limit (most aggressive) rate of fat loss, where the situation would be the same as if I'm using the divisor of 13. Thanks

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  4 года назад

      Probably when things are going downhill in the gym
      - Pascal

  • @joshwilliams6517
    @joshwilliams6517 7 лет назад +12

    Great topic

  • @mathewww3225
    @mathewww3225 7 лет назад +5

    when Will part 2 be up? i cant wait.. Love it

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад +1

      It will be one of the next 3 episodes ;)

  • @multirevelator
    @multirevelator 7 лет назад +2

    Great video and agree with all of it. Do either of you know about any cases of ppl getting heartburn/GERD when on an aggressive cut?. Ive been cutting for 6 months now from 28% to 18%, im currently a 144lb male and was on 1200 cals a day for about 5 weeks when i developed heartburn.
    i was forced into a break/surplus/mini bulk lol when i recently went on holiday and came back feeling great and looking better than ever, i was shocked i hadnt porked up!.
    Currently on 1500 cals and its like starting afresh. My BMR is around 1500 cals.
    P.S Martins mannerisms really remnd me of Ricky Gervais!
    Peace

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад

      Sorry but never heard of something like this and I definitely would seek out a doctor

    • @stockriderman
      @stockriderman 5 лет назад +1

      1. You are BS'ing yourself and everyone 144lb male CANNOT have BMR of 1500cal... either that or your body is so fuc$ked up with your bs diets you put it through( I suppose many) that it just shut down and dropped your metabolism to survive - you have no energy, no sex drive, no desire, frequent anger, depression, no power in the gym. Is that you? If not, your BMR is way higher. Anytime a healthy male who exercises tells me he is eating 1500cal to maintain, I laugh as it makes no sense. And when you start asking questions on exactly what is being eaten, suddenly 1500 becomes 2100 or 2300 which is more likely and that's for people who do NOT exercise!! I've never seen in 15 years in nutrition a man of your weight who exercises and has bmr of 1500cal. Impossible so don't BS yourself and others and learn to count calories properly. A banana is not 105 calories. Some can be 80cal and some 200cal. Avocado can be 300cal or 600cal. 10almonds can be 90cal or 200cal. Get it???

    • @jammRJ
      @jammRJ 4 года назад

      @@stockriderman A banana is not 105 cals, almonds may vary in fat content, Quinoa and lentils have variable carb and protein content, same with milk etc. Even protein powders such as whey isolate are only guaranteed (in the usa) to be within 20%. So the 100 grams of protein in powder could be 80 or 120 ( and not like anyone checks each scoop). So unless you lab test everything, it's a crap shoot anyway.
      Thats why people do a diet of rice and chicken to keep things simple.
      As if that's not bad enough, individual metabolism changes so much based on so many factors.
      So pray tell how to accurately measure all this?

  • @niuredblack
    @niuredblack 6 лет назад +6

    Great interview Steve....would love to hear more from him on a future vlog

  • @christiansummers2372
    @christiansummers2372 4 года назад +4

    Awesome podcast. Obviously very informative and some great information to take away and apply with my own clients!
    Cheers

  • @simplesofisticatedjs3106
    @simplesofisticatedjs3106 4 года назад +5

    And his name is Mac Donald ....and nutritionist ....so funny

  • @eliholland1365
    @eliholland1365 7 лет назад +5

    This is fire. Great content as always.

  • @nickolastrainer8900
    @nickolastrainer8900 6 лет назад +3

    Great video very good information and also very helpful

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  6 лет назад

      Glad you enjoyed it. ABout time he comes on again!

  • @jettfitceo
    @jettfitceo 7 лет назад +2

    Great content. Keep'em coming!!

  • @turinho
    @turinho 7 лет назад +1

    Hey man i just discovered your channel and i fall in love #nohetero. Jkn
    Great podcast and great content keep it up.
    I have a question about this rapid fat loss diet. I am roughly around 25-30% bodyfat @90kg. That means i could aim for 2%/~1.8kg fat loss per week. This means i have to go really low with my calories (~ 3000kcal maintenance). So i could go down to 1200kcal per day, right? Lets say i eat 2.5x protein (225g protein equals 900kcal). So with the rest of my 300kcal i could eat like 30g fat. And thats it ? Like no carbs i cant even fit veggies in my mealplan. Am i just stupid or does aggressive diet work like this? Or should i higher my calories like +300kcal to fit in some vegetables? And how long do i run this diet before doing a refeed @maintenance calories?

    • @drekec1221
      @drekec1221 7 лет назад +1

      By eating 2000 calories you could lose ~1kg per week and not starve yourself because 1200 is just not enough for a male + you would probably hit a plateau sooner. Protein doesnt need to be as high as 200+ grams considering you're 25-30% bodyfat so 1g/lb or 2.2g/kg is sufficient (research says fatter individuals can have a slightly lower protein intake than what i just said, ie. 0.7-0.8g/lb), get your fats to 20-30% of your caloric intake and fill the rest with carbs (make sure to hit your fiber intake). I'd personally go about this if and enjoy the process whilst still eating a decent amount of food! (Or you could perhaps eat 2200kcal with 200kcal LISS cardio sessions and your net kcal are still 2000). Refeeds circa every 2-3 weeks in my opinion, as the body fat goes down and you get leaner, refeeds should be done more often

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад +1

      Would it be sustainable? Probably not. What Martin is saying is diet as aggressive as sustainable.
      Best would be that if you want to ask specific questions for upcoming Q&A's or yourself, you might want to consider joining our facebook group.facebook.com/groups/revivestronger/

  • @chrisbroomheadcoaching
    @chrisbroomheadcoaching 7 лет назад +2

    Please tell me you're saying that he got stuck into Joe wicks. Me and so many other coaches have has more rants than I could count about him

  • @copernicus99
    @copernicus99 5 лет назад +1

    Great interview. I've never attempted a 1000 calorie daily deficit before but I'm willing to try it for my upcoming cut. How much should I expect my training to suffer with such an aggressive deficit? And what should I do to mitigate these detrimental effects? Thanks for your advice.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  5 лет назад +2

      When your training suffers it's too aggressive. It's as aggressive as you can in the sense of adherence and performance
      - Pascal

    • @copernicus99
      @copernicus99 5 лет назад +1

      Ok, makes sense. Thanks Pascal!

  • @borisbodega344
    @borisbodega344 Год назад +1

    Come to the point 🥱

  • @iuricpeixoto
    @iuricpeixoto 7 лет назад +3

    Awesome!

  • @MrDraxz
    @MrDraxz 7 лет назад +4

    Great content, however...1st 20mins isn't even about the topic.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад +2

      It's a two part series and for this, we always have the timestamps included. Hope you enjoyed it anyway :)

    • @MrDraxz
      @MrDraxz 7 лет назад +2

      Ya, of course mate love the show. PS, my fault for not checking for timestamps!

  • @sbain844
    @sbain844 4 года назад +2

    This guy goes off on tangents even when he is already on a tangent... very difficult to follow what he's going on about.
    "As low calories as you can realistically maintain" should mean zero calories i.e. a water-fast. A Scottish guy holds the record for water-fasting, he did 382 days and went down from over 400 lbs to a regular weight!

    • @Yeahhoee
      @Yeahhoee 4 года назад

      good luck supplying strength training with a waterfast...

  • @mattjeyi2639
    @mattjeyi2639 3 года назад +4

    22 minutes of chit chat in a 40 min video is just too much. Get to the point

  • @marcoaureliosterpa376
    @marcoaureliosterpa376 7 лет назад +1

    great podcast as usual :)

  • @thunderkat5282
    @thunderkat5282 2 года назад

    Great info!

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  2 года назад

      Thanks for sharing your opinion!
      - Coach Jess

  • @erictaylor8428
    @erictaylor8428 7 лет назад +3

    When are you planning on posting part 2?

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад +1

      Will be one of the next episodes. If you're not already, you might want to consider joining our group to be the first to know about it :)
      facebook.com/groups/revivestronger/

  • @milktruckcopilot
    @milktruckcopilot 7 лет назад +3

    What is the amount of protein recommended?

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  7 лет назад

      Based on the latest research round about 1g/lbs of bw is a good range to be in.

    • @xxk4rilsxx
      @xxk4rilsxx 6 лет назад

      @@ReviveStronger how do I found out my bodyweight? I'm 5,8ft 26 years old around 36% bodyfat and 263 pounds.

    • @stockriderman
      @stockriderman 5 лет назад +2

      ​@@xxk4rilsxx to find your body weight you take your height in inches multiply by your bodyfat; then divide 263 by that number and this will be your body weight.

    • @NorthernSpartan
      @NorthernSpartan 4 года назад

      @@xxk4rilsxx You buy a scale and weigh yourself

  • @sleeve1259
    @sleeve1259 5 лет назад +3

    Bulk how you like, then when ready, FAST straight until you are shredded to ur desired goal! Fasting forced ketosis will spare muscle better that ANY method out there! Happy building everyone!

  • @DJHEV
    @DJHEV 7 лет назад +2

    Damn bro, game changer video. Thank you.

  • @alint09
    @alint09 2 месяца назад

    Muscle loss isn't necessarily the issue with me when it comes to a large deficit. It's hormone imbalance, fatigue, and risk of rebounding from being tired and hungry all the time. Losing 1% body weight a week has worked great. I can't imagine 1.5 or 2%.

  • @Misha607552
    @Misha607552 4 года назад +3

    Hard time getting to the point.

  • @joeb9849
    @joeb9849 Год назад +1

    I dont know why anyone thought this was a great interview it sucked . It took the guy 30min before he even bought up any numbers about rapid fat loss. He just goes on and on, get the facts out there.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  Год назад

      Sorry but if you're after short form content, maybe head to tiktok - Steve

  • @IdeoDLaw
    @IdeoDLaw 2 года назад

    who does he mean with greg?

  • @daytonasayswhat9333
    @daytonasayswhat9333 5 лет назад +3

    Funny how this guy think that online forums are "old school." There was no net when I started working out. All you had were fitness mags and word-of-mouth. Talk about lack of reliable knowledge & practices!

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  5 лет назад +1

      Forums are outdated unless it's really specific. Facebook has kind of replaced forums
      - Pascal

  • @daverowe4566
    @daverowe4566 4 года назад +1

    Funny like Ricky Gervais, that was funny

    • @Obsolete569
      @Obsolete569 2 года назад

      It's the type of thing David Brent would say! 😂

  • @fabioq6916
    @fabioq6916 5 лет назад +1

    Maybe I misheard but is the message here that a TRAINED individual can lose significant amounts of fat without losing muscle mass? That's news to me. I understood you can skew the ratios but you are going to lose muscle unless you are a fat newbie.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  5 лет назад

      The literature doesn't really support it. Like true muscle loss will hardly occur unless you're doing very much unreasonable stuff or diet very aggressively/very long. Other than that, lean tissue may go down but muscle loss, very hard to actual see this.
      - Pascal

    • @fabioq6916
      @fabioq6916 5 лет назад

      @@ReviveStronger so by lean tissue you mean other tissue than muscle? I'm surprised to read this. Literally everything I have read says that other than for the obese untrained or very new trainees, muscle mass loss is an inevitability. Kyle, Israetel, Barbell Medicine. All say the same. Can you cite some studies please? It's great news if true but I would be very surprised!

    • @fabioq6916
      @fabioq6916 5 лет назад

      @@ReviveStronger ok. So trained non obese guys can easily prevent muscle loss but not gain muscle mass. Is that the hypothesis? I should add: not juiced.

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  5 лет назад +1

      And I wholeheartedly disagree with these individuals. I even once asked Mike about it and he agreed, that muscle loss is probably no concern under "normal" circumstances, Ie. not extreme levels of leanness same as individuals who do RT.
      And that's the thing, there are NO compelling studies on muscle loss, like actual loss of muscle tissue. All studies that are often cited are done on untracked nutritional protocols, people without resistance training or endurance style of training. I'm not convinced that people who eat suffiecient amounts of protein and do proper RT need to fear muscle loss. (except for extreme scenarios maybe). Even sleep deprived subject. It's not that sleep deprivation per se leads to muscle loss but the fatigue and inability of motor unit recruitment.
      - Pascal

    • @fabioq6916
      @fabioq6916 5 лет назад +1

      @@ReviveStronger fascinating and encouraging!!! Sufficient progein, for a 40+ male being probably on the high side then. Say 2.25g per kg?

  • @gamerchristina1079
    @gamerchristina1079 3 года назад +1

    💪💪❤️❤️‼️

  • @grizzlymanverneteil4443
    @grizzlymanverneteil4443 3 года назад

    That beard lookin good

  • @karimk8551
    @karimk8551 4 года назад +1

    Overly aggressive diets are an easy way to develop a food obsession. I would be extra careful when following this advice

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  4 года назад +1

      I wouldn't generalise it tbh.
      - Pascal

    • @1s_that_a_j0j0_reference
      @1s_that_a_j0j0_reference 2 года назад

      Most people already have a binge disorder. You can be fat with an e.d. or you can look great and maybe get one. Your choice

  • @NinjaScorpio
    @NinjaScorpio 5 лет назад

    Is Martin Macdonald related to Lyle Madconald?

    • @ReviveStronger
      @ReviveStronger  5 лет назад +8

      They're brothers. Their father is called Ronald.
      - Pascal

  • @22darius22
    @22darius22 4 года назад +2

    Good god. You need to start the actual content earlier in the vid. You just shat bilge for 10 minutes and now I’m pissed off and don’t want to keep listening because you just wasted my time.

  • @taparanjansaha9092
    @taparanjansaha9092 17 дней назад

    Talk irrelevant things rubbish podcast