Im the lead storage architect at 45Drives and totally agree about the Seagate drives. We have done a ton of testing on every type of HDD and we highly recommend the Seagate EXOS drives for most purposes, though for your environment IronWolf is 100% a great choice. I have a 9 HDD bay / 8 SSD bay Storinator that I run Proxmox on but also serves as my NAS and I run exclusively Seagate EXOS HDDs. I've had them in service for just under 3 years and knock on wood no failures yet. Although I don't run very heavy workloads on them, they have been great. Essentially 40TB of Plex goodness, backups and my Nextcloud servers storage.
I've been running 10 TB IronWolf drives in my DS918+ for a few years, and 2 out of 4 failed me. Ordered them all from different vendors in order to keep the chance of a bad batch low, but here we are. One blew after a year, one six months later. That said, both were replaced instantly by Seagate and have been chugging along nicely ever since (it's been a few years now). At any rate, looking at WD's SMR shenanigans, I'll gladly grab another set of IronWolf drives once my Plex library flows over. No games, no tricks, just CMR. 👍
Nice, you came to the same conclusion I did. I wanted to replace my WD Reds with newer bigger Reds, but they sneakily changed the recording technology without telling anyone and thought they could just sneak it passed us all. So I figured Seagate it will be, whenever I get the money to buy them.
There is one thing you didn't mention. The Exos drives can be purchased as OEM drives (lower price, no retail packaging) or even used and have the full warranty (or remaining if used), whereas the Ironwolf drives will not have the warranty unless purchased as a boxed retail unit.
When I was shopping for my NAS in 2019 I ended up going with the WD Red non-Pro version just because they were: 5400 RPM (and thus quieter), cheaper, 12 TB drives. I had one die a couple months ago, a couple months out of warranty - and this is the first drive failure I've ever had in my 36 years on this planet. I bought a replacement of the same kind as I was wary of mixing / matching drives, and just for a shot in the dark I e-mailed Western Digital about it to ask if I could pay them $50-100 and get a replacement drive since it was so soon out of warranty, and they said they'd make a one-time exception and just sent me a replacement for free if it was still in warranty. But if I get a bigger / better NAS / server or build my own at some point I will definitely only be looking at "Pro" drives just due to the longer warranty period.
The $399 20TB+the $399 960GB Optane is a killer combo for almost everything. for scratch space you get 300+MB/s read and write with seek times that are near ns range But this combo really sings for NAS say 10 of the 20TB drives in ZFS Z2 or Z3, and then 4-6 optane drives 2 for special metadata, 2 for write cache, and 2 for read cache and you'd be hard pressed to tell that this is not a pure flash storage. Actually, i have a micro server with 2x16TB drives, and a pait of the 118GB optane drives, i was copying files from my local gen4 drive over the network, and i noticed a significant slow down. I thought, welp, time to get the 960GB drives for this server, No, despite this being over the network and copying from a Gen4 SSD this 16TB optane accelerated mirrored pool was able to not only take in data faster than an NVMe could dish it out(had slowed down to 47MB/s which i didnt know was possible for NVMe) but this machine was also copying those same exact files(my game library), to 2 other desktops without skipping a beat, as soon as that task manager showed the local SSD wasnt being pegged, the network went back to being saturated, the network speed of the other 2 desktops were not affected because they were copying to non-accelerated HDDs so they were ~1Gbps
I have 5 16tb exos in my NAS. They are loud, but I have them in another room so as long as I'm doing something with some noise I won't hear them. Now the 18tb exos are around how much I paid for the 16tb models. I got all of them new.
I have 3 Segate Exos Drives: 14TB, 16TB and 18TB, bought at different times but pretty close to each other as i upgraded my media library from 5 x 3TB Seagate Constellations drives or something like that. They were in Raid 5 for about 7 years, NEVER had a single problem. Now they are backing up my libraries on a shelf under my desk in the event that one of the Exos drives starts to fail. But, knock on wood, no errors have been detected on these drives in the 2-ish years i've had them. I did have 1 Seagate 1TB drive in my computer go bad but it wasn't a total loss since that data was already backed up. Lots of people hate RAID but if it works, it works. To each their own, right?
I got a great deal on some enterprise-grade drives for my NAS almost a decade ago. They've since been retired and replaced with NAS-grade drives...sooo much quieter. I don't have a server closet, so I'll be sticking with NAS-grade until I do.
Thanks for this video. I chucked a 10tb seagate ironwolf in my desktop to store all my music. Overkill but I love buying cds instead of paying a streaming service.
3:40 I got my first Exos, 16TB last year, completely new from a reputable hardware shop, today I got a 18TB X18 also new, also for killer price. How can they be refurbished? I very much doubt that, also I dont want any NAS, what seagate is doing with EXOS just makes me impossible to choose WD, and this second EXOS is coming to replace my almost 5y old WD Black 6TB... there is just NO other option when you have having TBs at prices of 16-18$. And the EXOS are supposed to perform better, and my 16TB easily outperforms everything else I ever had.
i got the 14tbs and was jealous of your 20tbs hahaha. now i know. awesome they sent em out to you. im gonna be setting up my synology ds920 once i get back from traveling.
Thanks for the info. Do you recommend these drives to use in an old PC running W10 with windows storage spaces with parity? I want to repurpose an old Intel I7-920 PC as a NAS.
Great video - curious how you managed to have Seagate send you drives like that! That is awesome. Just to share my story with these new drives - I purchased an ST16000NT001 Seagate Ironwolf Pro NT edition, and the drive is DOA. The drive spins up and the clicking starts, clearly a manufacture issue. Box shows a Date of Mfg of 12/7/2022, really recent. Called Seagate and showed them the video I created with the clicking, they wanted to take up to 30 days to replace the drive this can't be a good turn around time for a drive of this caliber, they have to send it to their lab??! And to add to it there is no guarentee that you will get a new drive. You may get a refurbished unit,. Keep in mind this is a drive that has not been formatted once, just out of the anti static bag. Surprised of these policies and inability to be accomidating in this type of situation. Not bashing Seagate, they came through in the past with the enterprise drive rescue plan for me, which is why I continued to use them on other projects and have two 4TB iron wolf drives in my NAS, all so far with out issues, and wanted to expand my storage capacity. Honestly I have mixed feelings at this point also considering this is a CMR, tried and true tech. Keep up with these videos - Kudos!
Ha thats cool I'm watching ya for deciding a Raid Drives to get and here ya are another fellow Musician, Nice..... I'll have to check out your stuff, I also record 80's type Retro Music, Synth stuff and make Music Videos of them. Dig it Mate
I have a 4 and a eight drive nas. I use WD black enterprise now gold enterprise. The blacks performed perfectly starting to have sector fails after five years of use. Backblaze hard drive reliability testing helped me pick. I highly suggest you review their data.
My 4TB storage HDD drive is having some issues and I wanted to buy a new one....is this reviewed HDD overkill? I will mostly use as PLEX server via PC for movie streaming to TV and to store family photos,videos.
So its cool to talk getting Seagates finally? Yehey. Back in time i got certain model Seagate 250GB as pair as they had only one disc per HDD so i got pre SSD times in software Raid0 almost as fast as SSD. Good times. Gonna upgrade my HDD as i get some extra laying around.. maybe after two years.
Thanks Bro.. I'm def in the market to upgrade my home server soon. Probably well overdue to be honest. Rocking 16.3TB across 10 drives! LOL My oldest drive, a WD Green 640GB circa 2009 is still toiling away in this server. Newest drive in there is a WD 3TB RE mfg in 2013! All 10 drives, rock solid for years not a single failure. So to mirror the server I've been eyeballing the EXOS 18TB / 20TB drives which will be the backup and call it a day. Data is safe for now I'd just like to consolidate on one rig. I'm using around 2.5TB of the 16 on the server which is backed up in 3 places. My PC that has a 6TB Toshiba and 10TB WD Elements external. Thanks for the heads up on the noise on the EXOS drives as I hadn't heard anything about that while researching. But with it being in my closet in my bedroom noise isn't really a concern.
@@JewTube001 Probably helps that they either sit off or sleeping 90% of the time. For archival purposes they've been fine and I'm rarely firing them up to find old data. So no, throwing them out when they work perfectly fine is not going to happen. But I do agree with you... I do need to implement my storage plan sooner rather than later. Closing in on all drives at 10+years old... my luck is bound to run out at some point. LOL
After my WD MyCloud went out of commission when it couldn't support the OS5, I switched to Synology DS220J with Seagate Ironwolf. So far, I'm happy with it. Not to mention that it's a far better and easier system to work with. As far as HDD is concerned, Seagate is the one for me. Currently running both 8TB and 16TB on my Synology but 20TB attached to my Orico 3588US3 external dock. Even running my Plex libraries on the Synology and Seagate.
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Im the lead storage architect at 45Drives and totally agree about the Seagate drives. We have done a ton of testing on every type of HDD and we highly recommend the Seagate EXOS drives for most purposes, though for your environment IronWolf is 100% a great choice.
I have a 9 HDD bay / 8 SSD bay Storinator that I run Proxmox on but also serves as my NAS and I run exclusively Seagate EXOS HDDs. I've had them in service for just under 3 years and knock on wood no failures yet. Although I don't run very heavy workloads on them, they have been great. Essentially 40TB of Plex goodness, backups and my Nextcloud servers storage.
I've been running 10 TB IronWolf drives in my DS918+ for a few years, and 2 out of 4 failed me. Ordered them all from different vendors in order to keep the chance of a bad batch low, but here we are. One blew after a year, one six months later. That said, both were replaced instantly by Seagate and have been chugging along nicely ever since (it's been a few years now).
At any rate, looking at WD's SMR shenanigans, I'll gladly grab another set of IronWolf drives once my Plex library flows over. No games, no tricks, just CMR. 👍
Seagate is and always has been trash
Nice, you came to the same conclusion I did. I wanted to replace my WD Reds with newer bigger Reds, but they sneakily changed the recording technology without telling anyone and thought they could just sneak it passed us all. So I figured Seagate it will be, whenever I get the money to buy them.
There is one thing you didn't mention. The Exos drives can be purchased as OEM drives (lower price, no retail packaging) or even used and have the full warranty (or remaining if used), whereas the Ironwolf drives will not have the warranty unless purchased as a boxed retail unit.
Just got 2 x18 18tb used and I'm very happy so far.
@@BionicDeathclaw wait how would you go about purchasing those?
When I was shopping for my NAS in 2019 I ended up going with the WD Red non-Pro version just because they were: 5400 RPM (and thus quieter), cheaper, 12 TB drives. I had one die a couple months ago, a couple months out of warranty - and this is the first drive failure I've ever had in my 36 years on this planet. I bought a replacement of the same kind as I was wary of mixing / matching drives, and just for a shot in the dark I e-mailed Western Digital about it to ask if I could pay them $50-100 and get a replacement drive since it was so soon out of warranty, and they said they'd make a one-time exception and just sent me a replacement for free if it was still in warranty.
But if I get a bigger / better NAS / server or build my own at some point I will definitely only be looking at "Pro" drives just due to the longer warranty period.
Good video. You gave me something to think about as far as a NAS is concerned. Think I will try Iron Wolf .
great info, thanks for sharing the practical differences of these two drives.
Thanks Sponsors. Seagate rocking.
The $399 20TB+the $399 960GB Optane is a killer combo for almost everything.
for scratch space you get 300+MB/s read and write with seek times that are near ns range
But this combo really sings for NAS
say 10 of the 20TB drives in ZFS Z2 or Z3, and then 4-6 optane drives 2 for special metadata, 2 for write cache, and 2 for read cache and you'd be hard pressed to tell that this is not a pure flash storage.
Actually, i have a micro server with 2x16TB drives, and a pait of the 118GB optane drives, i was copying files from my local gen4 drive over the network, and i noticed a significant slow down.
I thought, welp, time to get the 960GB drives for this server,
No, despite this being over the network and copying from a Gen4 SSD this 16TB optane accelerated mirrored pool was able to not only take in data faster than an NVMe could dish it out(had slowed down to 47MB/s which i didnt know was possible for NVMe) but this machine was also copying those same exact files(my game library), to 2 other desktops without skipping a beat, as soon as that task manager showed the local SSD wasnt being pegged, the network went back to being saturated, the network speed of the other 2 desktops were not affected because they were copying to non-accelerated HDDs so they were ~1Gbps
Just bought a Lacie d2 Pro and this unit has a Ironwolf Pro in it. It's not here yet but we will see how it's gonna be.
I have 5 16tb exos in my NAS. They are loud, but I have them in another room so as long as I'm doing something with some noise I won't hear them. Now the 18tb exos are around how much I paid for the 16tb models. I got all of them new.
I have 3 Segate Exos Drives: 14TB, 16TB and 18TB, bought at different times but pretty close to each other as i upgraded my media library from 5 x 3TB Seagate Constellations drives or something like that. They were in Raid 5 for about 7 years, NEVER had a single problem. Now they are backing up my libraries on a shelf under my desk in the event that one of the Exos drives starts to fail. But, knock on wood, no errors have been detected on these drives in the 2-ish years i've had them. I did have 1 Seagate 1TB drive in my computer go bad but it wasn't a total loss since that data was already backed up. Lots of people hate RAID but if it works, it works. To each their own, right?
I got a great deal on some enterprise-grade drives for my NAS almost a decade ago. They've since been retired and replaced with NAS-grade drives...sooo much quieter. I don't have a server closet, so I'll be sticking with NAS-grade until I do.
Would Iron Wolf Pros be good for a DAS as I heard NAS Drives are not as good as Enterprise Drives, at least for a DAS setup ??
The iron wolf has basically the same warranty and the exos, but they are quieter and have better monitoring tools, so I prefer them
Thanks for this video. I chucked a 10tb seagate ironwolf in my desktop to store all my music. Overkill but I love buying cds instead of paying a streaming service.
Picked ironwolf pro ne model 12tb, $130, Dec 2024, good at 260 MBps. Also 2x8tb toshiba n300 in june n Oct 2024, 280MBps, for 2 nas units. Happy.
I actually need to replace my NAS drives because they spit out some errors for quite some months already.
Personally I've had a lot of trouble with seagate drives (high brick rate), although they were all the cheaper ones named after fish.
3:40 I got my first Exos, 16TB last year, completely new from a reputable hardware shop, today I got a 18TB X18 also new, also for killer price. How can they be refurbished?
I very much doubt that, also I dont want any NAS, what seagate is doing with EXOS just makes me impossible to choose WD, and this second EXOS is coming to replace my almost 5y old WD Black 6TB... there is just NO other option when you have having TBs at prices of 16-18$.
And the EXOS are supposed to perform better, and my 16TB easily outperforms everything else I ever had.
i got the 14tbs and was jealous of your 20tbs hahaha. now i know. awesome they sent em out to you. im gonna be setting up my synology ds920 once i get back from traveling.
i use the 10TB and 8TB Nas Pro drives. No complaints
Thanks for the info. Do you recommend these drives to use in an old PC running W10 with windows storage spaces with parity? I want to repurpose an old Intel I7-920 PC as a NAS.
Great video - curious how you managed to have Seagate send you drives like that! That is awesome. Just to share my story with these new drives - I purchased an ST16000NT001 Seagate Ironwolf Pro NT edition, and the drive is DOA. The drive spins up and the clicking starts, clearly a manufacture issue. Box shows a Date of Mfg of 12/7/2022, really recent. Called Seagate and showed them the video I created with the clicking, they wanted to take up to 30 days to replace the drive this can't be a good turn around time for a drive of this caliber, they have to send it to their lab??! And to add to it there is no guarentee that you will get a new drive. You may get a refurbished unit,. Keep in mind this is a drive that has not been formatted once, just out of the anti static bag. Surprised of these policies and inability to be accomidating in this type of situation. Not bashing Seagate, they came through in the past with the enterprise drive rescue plan for me, which is why I continued to use them on other projects and have two 4TB iron wolf drives in my NAS, all so far with out issues, and wanted to expand my storage capacity. Honestly I have mixed feelings at this point also considering this is a CMR, tried and true tech. Keep up with these videos - Kudos!
been watching you since tiger direct, going to get the same drives, was looking for large hard drives
Nice analysis!
Ha thats cool I'm watching ya for deciding a Raid Drives to get and here ya are another fellow Musician, Nice.....
I'll have to check out your stuff, I also record 80's type Retro Music, Synth stuff and make Music Videos of them.
Dig it Mate
funnily I've been slowly replacing my ageing WD Reds for bigger Seagate Ironwolfs, wish I could stretch for those 20TBs though
I have a 4 and a eight drive nas. I use WD black enterprise now gold enterprise. The blacks performed perfectly starting to have sector fails after five years of use. Backblaze hard drive reliability testing helped me pick. I highly suggest you review their data.
I need subservience set up, any chance Logan
My 4TB storage HDD drive is having some issues and I wanted to buy a new one....is this reviewed HDD overkill? I will mostly use as PLEX server via PC for movie streaming to TV and to store family photos,videos.
segate WHAT the logan i knew hated seagate and only wanted HGST, what happened?!
A lot can change in 8 years. There are no better 20tb drives
I still hate them. Had another barracuda fail on me this year, I have it right next to me and use the platter as a mirror.
So its cool to talk getting Seagates finally? Yehey. Back in time i got certain model Seagate 250GB as pair as they had only one disc per HDD so i got pre SSD times in software Raid0 almost as fast as SSD. Good times.
Gonna upgrade my HDD as i get some extra laying around.. maybe after two years.
Is there anything wrong with Western Digital drives other than them changing their drive technology without telling anyone?
That's a pretty big deal to me as it's not as tried and true as the older tech and it's not as fast.
Thanks Bro.. I'm def in the market to upgrade my home server soon. Probably well overdue to be honest. Rocking 16.3TB across 10 drives! LOL My oldest drive, a WD Green 640GB circa 2009 is still toiling away in this server. Newest drive in there is a WD 3TB RE mfg in 2013! All 10 drives, rock solid for years not a single failure.
So to mirror the server I've been eyeballing the EXOS 18TB / 20TB drives which will be the backup and call it a day. Data is safe for now I'd just like to consolidate on one rig. I'm using around 2.5TB of the 16 on the server which is backed up in 3 places. My PC that has a 6TB Toshiba and 10TB WD Elements external.
Thanks for the heads up on the noise on the EXOS drives as I hadn't heard anything about that while researching. But with it being in my closet in my bedroom noise isn't really a concern.
just throw the old drives out dude. ticking time bomb.
@@JewTube001 Probably helps that they either sit off or sleeping 90% of the time. For archival purposes they've been fine and I'm rarely firing them up to find old data.
So no, throwing them out when they work perfectly fine is not going to happen. But I do agree with you... I do need to implement my storage plan sooner rather than later.
Closing in on all drives at 10+years old... my luck is bound to run out at some point. LOL
I got the 2* 18TB for $300 each including after tax on black friday. 20TB for $100 more seems unreasonable
Spinning rust keeps the house warm, micro SSDs for the spies
i just get whatever is cheapest.
usually its wd white label drives that are shucked.
You should contact the seller of these drives as they were out of warranty before you even installed them.
Just recently brought the 16TB IronWolf Pro for my personal computer data backup storage. Love it so far.
EXOS-sive noise 🤣🤣
A good point you made is the Amazon prices on the EXOS drives look really good but the lower the price the more likely you will get a dead drive.
After my WD MyCloud went out of commission when it couldn't support the OS5, I switched to Synology DS220J with Seagate Ironwolf. So far, I'm happy with it.
Not to mention that it's a far better and easier system to work with. As far as HDD is concerned, Seagate is the one for me. Currently running both 8TB and 16TB on my Synology but 20TB attached to my Orico 3588US3 external dock.
Even running my Plex libraries on the Synology and Seagate.
Why would you use Seagate? They always fail
Wow 20tb 😮
Looking like Jesus batyushka Logan this year is going so the next year will be a good lawfull and very hardware giving year with a lot of graphics cards cheap ones and a lot of cpus fast ones and affordable too so have a Happy New Year Logan batyushka and a very Merry Christmas for sure!!! GG.
M.2.everything
SeaDerp, not even once.
To bad their custoner service has gone to shit hope you don't need an RMA. I am looking for a new drive vendor.
Easy Toshiba MG08-MG10 or WD Ultra DC HC550. Please no Seagate :)
Can I have your old NAS please :)
Notice me Senpai.
I ain't that old
I'm glad you said you got the drives from Seagate for free because this means your analysis is skewed. Saved me from watching sponsored drivel.
Cheers
Segate sucks. 10 tb nas didnt survive 3 years
Seagate 🤮
more like failgate.
STUPID RUclips ALGORITM didnt show me videos of this channel i think it wasnt active anymore
Looking like Jesus batyushka Logan this year is going so the next year will be a good lawfull and very hardware giving year with a lot of graphics cards cheap ones and a lot of cpus fast ones and affordable too so have a Happy New Year Logan batyushka and a very Merry Christmas for sure!!! GG.